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I was in a Church service one time with a friend, and as we began to leave the service this friend's daughter mentioned something that reminded me of Adam and Eve. So, as usual, I just started telling the simple story of Adam and Eve as I remembered it from the Bible. I didn't elaborate on it, just simply told it to her.
This daughter was probably 14 or so years old. She just nearly fell over! She said, "I didn't know that!" It blew me away that she was blown away by just the simple story. My Grandmother used to bring out her felt board when my brother and I were little and would tell us stories from the Word of God whenever we went to stay with her awhile. I was just wondering if any of you have any stories like this to tell. Either messages that you've passed on to someone that seemed to begin a life of its own, or childhood memories of "God things" that stuck in your head?
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I thought I should add that I was only speaking to this young girl -everyone else had gone already.
I also had a teenager tell me one time, he was at his grandmother's funeral and everything was so sad. He said a light appeared in an upper corner, near the ceiling, of the room. He said his grandmother appeared in the center of the light and told him she was OK and was waiting for them. It made him feel so much better. I thought this was awesome!
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If read the Parable Jesus gave of the richman and Lazarus, you'll find spirits of dead people go either strait to Heaven or Hell and are not allowed to leave there. Now, not to take away from the experience that teen had, I would suggest tho, it was a Demon imitating thier grandmother, just as a Demon imitated the Mother Mary at Fatima Portugal and Garabandahl Spain. If spirits of the dead could come back and talk to the living, then all the psychics and clairvouyants would be accurate. Problem is, too much of a percentage the "dead" supposedly tell them is wrong. I've personally seen demons imitating people dead for 10-25 years before I was there back when seen them, along with a baby that died in a house almost a century before my investigation of the haunting in the houses. One walked up close, an older gentleman and talked to me, but I told them to be gone in the Name of Jesus Christ and they just let out a mild "aaah" and disappeared that quickly. Its one thing if we find ourselves talking to someone we've known and been close to for years who died, but its quite another, if we believe that dead person actually appeared to us and spoke to us. Something to think about. God Bless!!
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Thats right pickone-
But... absent from the body, present with the Lord for Christians and the richman died and lifted up his eyes from Hell for unsaved people. You forget, 1- this was at Jesus' ressurrection, no other time. 2- you also forget, "came out of thier graves" - (word "graves") is used. A number of spirits were momentarily rebonded to thier bodies for that event then died again after that. But, those were physical people again, not spirits appearing to people. 3- Lazarus, Jesus' close friend died and Christ raised him from the "grave" physically again, only to die later as well "again". These and your examples, were all "physical" ressurrections, not spiritual appearances. Spirits are not raised out of the graves. They have to be brought back to earth from Hell or Heaven. That only happened one time in God's word and as chastisement to King Saul. A negative. And it only happened "1" time, of which God neither confirms nor re-confirms as a normal practice in his Word. Thus, if this were normal practice for spirits of dead people to appear to the living, you'd see it more than once and not as a chastisement but something positive. So please, do not use the raising of physical bodies out of thier graves to claim spirits of dead people can appear to the living. Thats a lie of Satan. God Bless!!
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Matthew 17:3-6
And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him. Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias. While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him. And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid.
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Yes Pickone, but only again, the one time with Jesus when he was transfigured. Give some other examples if can find any, where it happened of spirits of dead people appearing to Jesus, to the Apostles, Abraham, David, Daniel, etc. Then there is reason to believe. But because of Saul's misconduct before God... NO. and when "appeared" with Jesus during transfiguration... NO.
Sorry. They are only "specific" necessary chosen "one time" events. God Bless!!
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Moses isn't dead. I want to find more scriptures, and I have already been praying and looking for them.
If I am wrong, the LORD will help me to see, because He loves me. He wants me to know the truth either way. I will be back, and will tell you either way, as the LORD allows.
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1 Samuel 28:10-25
And Saul sware to her by the LORD, saying, As the LORD liveth, there shall no punishment happen to thee for this thing. Then said the woman, Whom shall I bring up unto thee? And he said, Bring me up Samuel. And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice: and the woman spake to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art Saul. And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth. And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself. And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up? And Saul answered, I am sore distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God is departed from me, and answereth me no more, neither by prophets, nor by dreams: therefore I have called thee, that thou mayest make known unto me what I shall do. Then said Samuel, Wherefore then dost thou ask of me, seeing the LORD is departed from thee, and is become thine enemy? And the LORD hath done to him, as he spake by me: for the LORD hath rent the kingdom out of thine hand, and given it to thy neighbour, even to David: Because thou obeyedst not the voice of the LORD, nor executedst his fierce wrath upon Amalek, therefore hath the LORD done this thing unto thee this day. Moreover the LORD will also deliver Israel with thee into the hand of the Philistines: and to morrow shalt thou and thy sons be with me: the LORD also shall deliver the host of Israel into the hand of the Philistines. Then Saul fell straightway all along on the earth, and was sore afraid, because of the words of Samuel: and there was no strength in him; for he had eaten no bread all the day, nor all the night. And the woman came unto Saul, and saw that he was sore troubled, and said unto him, Behold, thine handmaid hath obeyed thy voice, and I have put my life in my hand, and have hearkened unto thy words which thou spakest unto me. Now therefore, I pray thee, hearken thou also unto the voice of thine handmaid, and let me set a morsel of bread before thee; and eat, that thou mayest have strength, when thou goest on thy way. But he refused, and said, I will not eat. But his servants, together with the woman, compelled him; and he hearkened unto their voice. So he arose from the earth, and sat upon the bed. And the woman had a fat calf in the house; and she hasted, and killed it, and took flour, and kneaded it, and did bake unleavened bread thereof: And she brought it before Saul, and before his servants; and they did eat. Then they rose up, and went away that night. And yes, of course going to mediums or psychics is forbidden and speaking to the dead is forbidden. I believe if we need to know anything, we should go to the LORD Himself for answers. The Lord will speak in our ears if we need to hear, or to our hearts, or to anyway He wants. We are supposed to try the spirits, to see if they are evil or good. Look at the fruits. Did the appearance make this teenager afraid? angry, depressed? NO - it brought comfort, peace, joy. The boy is not going to interrupt the service to ask if it believes Jesus is come in the flesh. Jesus' has sent the Comforter to dwell in our hearts, since He went up. The kingdom, where God dwells is within us. If you take it another way, where two or more are gathered in His Name, there He is, with us. In any form He wants, He is with us, in us, around us. Sometimes just a part of a person is shown in a vision. Like the hands. Remember, you've been weighed in the balances and have been found lacking? The writing on the wall. What kind of fruits did that have? And yet the message was from God. I really feel like my brainwaves may be getting a little messy, so I hope this is clear, or that you get the general drift. I have been proven wrong so many times now, that I've learned that God's ways are so vast there is no way to say "he will do it like this everytime." He doesn't do it in the Bible the same way everytime. And His Word is True. This is supposed to be an edifying thread. Also, an angel is able to take any form God wants them to. Even Jesus is described as an Angel of the LORD in the Old testament. Maybe what we are seeing is angels? I don't know. They scare people sometimes. They help people sometimes. They wound people sometimes (Israel?). I didn't mean to make this into a documentary, Brian. Don't you have any uplifting stories? Has anything good happened to you? Before I knew the Spirit of God, my Grandmother had a bad pain in her side. After everyone had left the house, we decided that the Word said if two of us would agree about anything, it would be done. (I was raised old Southern Baptist). So, we quietly agreed and prayed out loud that the pain would be taken away from her. A couple of weeks later, they removed a cancer filled kidney that was totally incapsulated. They removed about 14 lbs. of lymph nodes and etc. that was around the kidney and it was totally clean. That was another good testimony for the glory of God.
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No, Moses isn't dead according to "spirit", but is physically. But as I said, read the story Jesus told of the richman and Lazarus. Then you'll see more clearly what God declares. If won't read that, you'll believe whatever YOU WANT of God's Truth about this subject, which apparently so far from your second posting in this thread, is that Demons are actually human spirits returned to earth, because God, thru Christ, clearly shows human spirits cannot leave Heaven.
Luke 16:22-31. Specifically 25-26. Remember as well, Jesus was "God in the flesh" who, when transfigured, was also shown with Moses and Elijah. But, there is no evidence of any other "spirits of dead people" ever showing to people besides King Saul, who was chewed out by Samuel who God brought back as a spirit to tell Saul off. And Saul's experience was thru a witch, an abomination no less. Lastly, only Angels of God do His bidding/commands. Never does God call upon spirits of dead people to ever come back to earth and speak to the living under any circumstances since Saul's case and that of those two Disciples. That teen who told you thier experience, saw an imitating Demon who looked like thier grandmother, the same as psychics and Clairvouyants see and hear from the dead as well. I know, because i messed around with witchcraft as a kid with my older brother as well as ouija boards, seances, then haunted houses and much more. God Bless!!
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But the disciples never talked to Moses and Elias, only Jesus. And Jesus was transfigured. This was heavenly. Did they not see Jesus in His heavenly being? So, yes, He could talk to Heavenly beings. And was this perhaps a vision, and not a literal appearance, as in you could reach out and touch them?
There are angels and there are demons. Angels do not appear as someone we know. They are known to appear as strangers, but they are never said to show up as our dearly departed...so that leaves demons. Of course, you are saying it was literal appearance of the boy's grandmother in spirit form. But the Bible says not to talk to the dead...so I do not believe God would send this. I have many "Cool Happenings," but this story is of concern. We can not let this slide by. Too many people are contacting familiar spirits and getting into all sorts of problems. This is an occult pratice...and why would God employ this to encourage someone? There are so many ways we can be encouraged other than contact with the dead. Yes, the boy is comforted for now, but what kind of problems will occur down the road, should he begin trying to contact this spriit and talking to it? This is what happens, and people end up with some bad problems. If that happens, there is no "Cool happenings" to this story whatsoever. We are not saying this because we are against edifying others. In the long run, it will be more edifying not to have demonic problems as a result of such things. JeriRose
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Its not a contest who can win or lose, its Scriptures and what they prove God says.
You can claim spirits of dead people actually are sent back by God to speak to the living, but don't blame anyone but yourself if teach another that and a Demon imitating that dead person misleads and seriously hurts that person. Satan comes to steal, kill and destroy. One way to steal us from God, is by drawing us thru an imitation being even better than God's angels actually showing up is a dead relative's spirit appearing instead. Have you ever read how people are usaully so captivated by a psychic or clairvouyant claiming to tell them some lame message from thier dead relative? I have several public day time TV Talk shows with prominant psychics and Clairvouyants on them, including one with "James Van Praugh". During his alone, there were 5 single and couples supposedly given messages by some dead relative. After each one was over, the family's were questioned how they viewed what "Van Praugh" had shared with them as those messages. 3 out of 5 told the TV Host they absolutely knew without question it was clearly not thier dead relative who was claimed talking to "Van Praugh". There was no mistaking whoever it was, was not thier dead relative. Now, if that is 3 of 5 people alone, what do you think the actual overall percentage is concerning the total number they try to help? In the "Fatima Prophecies" given by this fake "Mother Mary" to those children, less than half given actually came true, or worked out accurately. Same with the "Garabandahl Prophecies", less than half. Lastly, why would God send any Angels of His to bring Abraham, Lot, Daniel and so many others messages, when He could've sent spirits of dead relatives or of dead people close to them for those messages? Because, spirits of dead people, when leave the physical body, go strait to thier appointed spiritual existing place and never leave. Mormons who are involved with geneology have to have whats known as a "testimony". This is where during thier business of doing geneology work, at some point, the spirit of a dead relative is supposed to appear to them and speak with them assuring they are doing right, and that if not already saved, this dead relative accepted christ after death. We all know thats a lie. But. thats what a Cult religion believes. Now, you want to believe as they do? But, they believe in something god does not show as a general practice, but only under extreme circumstances and only twice. Not only that, but even in the books of the 4 Gospels, when Christ was seen by the Apostles after His ressurrection the first time, they were frightened as thought they had seen a "spirit"- (Satan or Demon). Its not about winning or losing a discussion, but what God declares as Truth, to dispell deceptions Satan tries to convince people to believe. God Bless!!
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