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What if you could make atheists go to heaven...

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Posted by: Frederik

Imagine you could make atheists which already died and never believed in God go to heaven, would you do it ? I mean would you grant it to them even though they denied God or would you think that they deserve hell ?
I asked myself this question and I don't know what I'd do.

Imagine God was planning to offer a second chance to atheists to go to heaven, a second chance after they died. Would you think that's okay or would you be upset ? Imagine all atheists which didn't believe in God were given a second chance after they saw that heaven really exists. They would be asked wether they want to enter heaven and of course they would say yes and they could enter heaven. Would you think that's okay ?


Posted by: quickdraw

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Originally Posted by Frederik
Imagine you could make atheists which already died and never believed in God go to heaven, would you do it ? I mean would you grant it to them even though they denied God or would you think that they deserve hell ?
I asked myself this question and I don't know what I'd do.

Imagine God was planning to offer a second chance to atheists to go to heaven, a second chance after they died. Would you think that's okay or would you be upset ? Imagine all atheists which didn't believe in God were given a second chance after they saw that heaven really exists. They would be asked wether they want to enter heaven and of course they would say yes and they could enter heaven. Would you think that's okay ?


ABSOLUTELY!! Because many people's spiritual eyes are "blinded" to the truth during their life here on earth, and God allows this in His wisdom, and Jesus did tell the parable of the prodigal son, and also one about people who worked for the same boss, and some worked all day, and some started near the end of the day and RECEIVED THE SAME PAY!!

Sorry Fredrik, I don't know where that Scripture is, but someone will, for sure!!

Forever His,
Sharon


Posted by: Frederik

To be honest I wouldn't do it cause somebody who doesn't believe in God doesn't deserve going to heaven and even if I could open a second entrance to heaven I wouldn't do it.
I mean where would it end if also dead atheists could still go to heaven ? Am I the only one who thinks this way ?


Posted by: jedijeb

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Originally Posted by quickdraw
ABSOLUTELY!! Because many people's spiritual eyes are "blinded" to the truth during their life here on earth, and God allows this in His wisdom, and Jesus did tell the parable of the prodigal son, and also one about people who worked for the same boss, and some worked all day, and some started near the end of the day and RECEIVED THE SAME PAY!!

Sorry Fredrik, I don't know where that Scripture is, but someone will, for sure!!

Forever His,
Sharon

that is the same passage I was looking for and it is Matthew Chapter 20. It cautions us to not be angry at decisions God makes. Now the Bible says that those who die in Christ have eternal life and those who don't won't. But if God did decide to give them a chance it would be wrong of us to question it. If we have in us the love of God then we should be heart broken at the thought of anyone not going to Heaven, even the vilest person. But in our flesh we still are prone to those types of thoughts, those of revenge and such. The closer we walk with God the less we will feel those feelings and the more we will learn to express the love of God.


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Posted by: Frederik

That means I must be evil when I don't want atheists to go to heaven.


Posted by: Frederik

Imagine God decided not to let anyone go to hell and it doesn't matter how you live, wouldn't you be angry cause you tried to live a better life than all the atheists but in the end they get the same reward ?
Would this make you angry ?
I mean imagine everybody goes to heaven, wouldn't this be boring ?
One thing which I think is cool about being a christian is that you're not like the others but when everybody is a christians it's kind of boring. Or do you ever think about people you know back from school and then you feel good cause you're saved while they are not saved ?
I don't even know why I have such thoughts which are obviously not okay, maybe I am simply too bad and my flesh is too bad, I mean whall is God supposed to think about me when I think such stuff ?


Posted by: jedijeb

Frederik, you are not evil because you have those thoughts, it just means you havent totally gotten rid of your worldly look at things. Even Paul had to struggle with this.

Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
Rom 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that [it is] good.
Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but [how] to perform that which is good I find not.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

This does not mean it is a good thing, just that it will take time for you to grow till the spirit rules over the flesh and not the other way around. New Christians and even many old Christians have to work on this. Whenever you see yourself doing things which you know God would not like, go to Him in prayer and ask forgivness and for the strength and wisdom to grow beyond it. Each time you will see that that particular problem is easier to avoid. As you remove the more evident problems from your life you will start to see the problems which were hidden to you and start to deal with those. Just like cleaning a house, you have to start with picking up all the large objects and getting them out of the way, then you can sweep the floor, them clean the windows and dust the furniture. Then you start looking for the dirt in the cracks and hard to reach places. It is a progression and Jesus will help you along the way, pointing out the spots you miss. He is the one who really does the cleaning, but you have to acknowledge that the dirt is there.

The fact that you are asking these questions shows that He is working on you even now, let Him do the cleaning when something is pointed out to you and you will grow in Him.


Posted by: khoeper

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Originally Posted by Frederik
To be honest I wouldn't do it cause somebody who doesn't believe in God doesn't deserve going to heaven and even if I could open a second entrance to heaven I wouldn't do it.
I mean where would it end if also dead atheists could still go to heaven ? Am I the only one who thinks this way ?



FREDRIK-WHO ARE WE TO SIT IN JUDGMENT? YOU WOULD WANT ALL OF YOUR SINS, FORGIVEN, EVEN THE ONES YOU MAY NOT HAVE ASKED FOR FORGIVENESS? RIGHT? HOW CAN A PERSON ASK FOR THE SAMETHING AND BELIVE THAT ONLY HIS REQUEST IS WORTH GRANTING? WE DON'T ALWAYS UNDERSTAND WHY GOD DOES WHAT HE DOES, BUT THAT IS WHY WE ARE IGNORANT. GIVE WHAT YOU REQUEST.


Posted by: ANOINTED WARRIOR

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Originally Posted by Frederik
Imagine you could make atheists which already died and never believed in God go to heaven, would you do it ? I mean would you grant it to them even though they denied God or would you think that they deserve hell ?
I asked myself this question and I don't know what I'd do.

Imagine God was planning to offer a second chance to atheists to go to heaven, a second chance after they died. Would you think that's okay or would you be upset ? Imagine all atheists which didn't believe in God were given a second chance after they saw that heaven really exists. They would be asked wether they want to enter heaven and of course they would say yes and they could enter heaven. Would you think that's okay ?

NO ITS NOT OK BECAUSE GOD GIVES EVERYONE A CHANCE TO ACCEPT HIM OR NOT ON THIS EARTH...ITS UP TO US IF WE CHOOSE LIFE OR DEATH...WHAT SO EVER THINGS ARE PURE AND HOLY AND TRUE THINK AND DWELL ON THESE THINGS...DONT LET YOUR MIND WONDER YOU LEAVE YOURSELF OPEN TO SATAN....GUARD YOUR THINKING GOD BLESS LOVE YOU FREDRICK...THAT IS WHY I SAID THE LAST PART DONT WANT YOU GETTING HURT OR SEE YOU PUT YOURSELF IN A TRAP FROM THE DEVIL...ANYTHING THAT IS NOT OF GOD CAST IT DOWN IN YOUR THOUGHTS WITH THE NAME OF JESUS....JESUS BREAK FREDRICK ...BRING HIM TO THE END OF HIS ROPE THIS WAY HE WILL LOOK UP AND ONLY SEE YOU CAUSE NOW HES OUT OF THE WAY AND ONLY CAN SEE YOU....AND WHEN HES AT THE END OF HIS ROPE JESUS LET HIM LET GO OF THE ROPE AND FALL INTO YOUR ARMS...I LEAVE ALL THIS IN YOUR HANDS JESUS...WHEN YOU LET GO OF THE ROPE YOUR TRYING TO HOLD ON TO IN YOUR LIFE THEN AND ONLY THEN WILL YOU BE FREE...LET IT GO...I DID AND FELL RIGHT ON SOLID GROUND IN JESUS ARMS...I KNOW THIS DOESNT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE TOPIC BUT JUST WANTED YOU TO KNOW THIS FREDRICK LOVE YU...