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Posted by: Jeremy_37211

Guys,

The Lord has saw it fit for my wife and I to become friends, me more so, with a strong believer in Scientology. He claims to have been once a christian...and then in a dark time in his life, when he was "unfulfilled," and seeking answers, he went to a scientologist retreat...or a workshop, and has been since sold on the idea.

I need you to pray for him. His name is Keith...
I also need you to help me with knowledge..as far as how scientology and christianity relate to each other. I am very worried about him.

Jeremy


Posted by: ANOINTED WARRIOR

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeremy_37211
Guys,

The Lord has saw it fit for my wife and I to become friends, me more so, with a strong believer in Scientology. He claims to have been once a christian...and then in a dark time in his life, when he was "unfulfilled," and seeking answers, he went to a scientologist retreat...or a workshop, and has been since sold on the idea.

I need you to pray for him. His name is Keith...
I also need you to help me with knowledge..as far as how scientology and christianity relate to each other. I am very worried about him.

Jeremy

ARE YOU SEEING A GUY I AM CONFUSED HERE ANYWAY, SCIENTOLOGY IS NO GOOD, THE BIBLE IS THE TRUTH PERIOD STAND ON THE WORD THE BIBLE ANYTHING ELSE IS NOT OF GOD...JESUS IS THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE....JESUS GIVE THIS PERSON DISCERNMENT ABOUT WHAT IS RIGHT AND WHAT IS WRONG IN BOTH THERE RELATIONSHIP AND SCIENTOLOGY... I BIND ALL EVIL SPIRITS INVOLVED IN THIS RELATIONSHIP AND THAT IS INVOLVED WITH SCIENTOLOGY....TAKE CARE OF ALL THIS JESUS ITS IN YOUR HANDS..


Posted by: Soteria777

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeremy_37211
Guys,

The Lord has saw it fit for my wife and I to become friends, me more so, with a strong believer in Scientology. He claims to have been once a christian...and then in a dark time in his life, when he was "unfulfilled," and seeking answers, he went to a scientologist retreat...or a workshop, and has been since sold on the idea.

I need you to pray for him. His name is Keith...
I also need you to help me with knowledge..as far as how scientology and christianity relate to each other. I am very worried about him.

Jeremy


Courtesty of www.watchman*****, a cult watch organization:

Christian Science, Mary Baker Eddy, Boston, MA: Officially called Church of Christ, Scientist. Eddy’s teaching heavily indebted to Phineas P. Quimby, a mesmerist. Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures functions as a virtual second canon of Scripture. Views God as infinite Mind, “the animating divine Principle of all that is real and good.” Matter is unreal; thus, so are sickness and death, which are overcome by believing that we are Mind. Seeking medical help is discouraged, frequently resulting in preventable deaths. Christ is “the divine manifestation of God” most fully seen in Jesus, who only seemed to die. The “Holy Ghost” is Divine Science, that is, Christian Science. The orthodox doctrine of the Trinity is rejected as polytheistic. Many New Age ideas have historical roots in Christian Science and related Mind Science groups.

DOCTRINE
The Trinity: Mrs. Eddy frequently oscillated in her writings between a personal and impersonal view of God. Even though Mrs. Eddy denied it, Christian Science teaches at least implicitly, if not explicitly, a pantheistic view of the nature of God: "God is All-in-all. God is good. Good is Mind. God, Spirit, being all, nothing is matter" (Science and Health, p. 113). Christian Science clearly repudiates the Trinitarian Godhead: "The theory of three persons in one God (that is, a personal Trinity or Tri-unity) suggests polytheism, rather than the one ever-present I Am" (Science and Health, p. 256). "Life, Truth, and Love constitutes the triune Person called God….God the Father-Mother; Christ the spiritual idea of sonship; divine Science or the Holy Comforter" (Science and Health, p. 331–332).

God the Son: Christian Science denies that Jesus Christ is God incarnate. It denies that Jesus is one Person with two natures — fully God and fully man. Christian Science presents Jesus Christ in terms of a Gnostic duality: "The spiritual Christ was infallible; Jesus as material manhood was not Christ" (Miscellaneous Writings, p. 84). "Christ as the true spiritual idea, is the ideal of God now and forever…" (Science and Health, p. 361). "The Christ is incorporeal, spiritual…" while, "The corporeal [physical] man Jesus was human" only (Science and Health, p. 332). Yet "matter is mortal error… matter is the unreal and temporal" (Miscellaneous Writings, p. 21). So what Christian Science actually concludes is that the physical humanity of Jesus was an illusion, "as it seemed to mortal view" (Science and Health, p. 315).

God the Holy Spirit: Christian Science denies that the Holy Spirit is a personal being. It teaches that the Holy Spirit is Christian Science, "This Comforter I understand to be Divine Science" (Science and Health, p. 55). It is the unfolding of the thoughts and infinite mind of God (Science and Health, p. 502–503).

Man's Destiny: Christian Science teaches that since God is all good and nothing that is real exists outside God, then sin, sickness, and death are mortal error or an illusion. Christ, as the Truth, therefore came to set man free from these false beliefs by His teachings and example (Science and Health, pp. 473, 475, 108). Christian Science denies the penal, substitutionary atonement of Christ saying, "The material blood of Jesus was no more efficacious to cleanse from sin when it was shed on 'the accursed tree,' than when it was flowing in his veins as he went daily about his Father's business" (Science and Health, p. 25). "Jesus taught the way of Life by demonstration. There is but one way to heaven, harmony, and Christ in Divine Science shows us this way" (Science and Health, p. 242). "Universal salvation rests on progression and probation…. No final judgment awaits mortals…" (Science and Health, p. 291).

1) Christian Science denies the incarnation of Christ was the fullness of deity dwelling in human flesh, denies the perfection of the man Jesus, and attempts to explain away the historical death and bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ (Science and Health, pp. 336, 29, 332, 53, 398, 313, 593; Miscellaneous Writings, p. 201).
2) Sickness and disease are illusory, the product of a false belief, and not an actual result of sin (Science and Health, pp. 348, 386). "The cause of all so-called disease is mental, a mortal fear, a mistaken belief…" (Science and Health, p. 377).
3) No true Christian Science member should ever go to a doctor, hospital, or take any kind of medicine, for to do so is to deny "Divine Science" (Christian Science Sentinel, May 9, 1942, p. 469). Indeed in the church's official "The Christian Science Standard of Healing," Mary Eddy Baker is quoted as saying, "It is impossible to gain control over the body in any other way [divine Mind-Prayer]. On this fundamental point, timid conservatism is absolutely inadmissible. Only through radical reliance on Truth can scientific healing power be realized" (Science and Health, p. 167; Radical Reliance In Healing, 1958, p. 1).
4) Even though Mrs. Eddy claimed that "the Bible has been my only authority" (Science and Health, p. 126), in actual practice Christian Scientists accept the Bible only as interpreted by Mary Baker Eddy in her writings. In fact, she taught that the Bible has been corrupted, but Science and Health is the "first book" which has been "uncontaminated by human hypotheses" (The First Church of Christ, Scientist and Miscellany, p. 115; Science and Health, pp. 99, 139, 456–57).

BIBLICAL RESPONSE
(1) God is a triune, personal, transcendent Being who created "the world and all things in it" (Acts 17:24). He is not a pantheistic all-in-all. He is holy and just, as well as love. God created and governs the universe, including man (Acts 17:24–27).
(2) Matter is not an illusion but is actual, and was created distinct from God. He pronounced it "good" (Genesis 1:31). Sin, sickness, and evil are not an illusion, but a result of man's willful choice to rebel against a Holy God, and death (both physical, and eternal separation from God) is the result of sin (Romans 3:10, 23; 5:12–14; 1 John 1:8–10).
(3) Jesus Christ is not the divine idea of God but was God uniquely manifested in the flesh, truly God and truly man, one divine Person with two indivisible natures, who is the only Savior and the only truth and Lord (John 1:1–3,14; Colossians 2:9; Philippians 2:6–7; John 14:6).
(4) Salvation is not gained through "self-immolation," but is the objective righteousness of Christ given to us by grace through faith alone (Romans 5:17, 19; Philippians 3:8–9) in the finished work of Christ on the cross — that is, His death, and bodily resurrection (1 Corinthians 1:30–31; 15:1–4; Romans 6:23; Ephesians 2:8–9).
(5) The Holy Spirit is a personal Being, not "Divine Science" (John 16:13–14).
(6) Christian Scientists believe that Mary Baker Eddy received the Truth through divine revelation (Science and Health, p. 110). The fact is that she plagiarized much of what she wrote from metaphysician George Hegel, P.P. Quimby, Francis Lieber and others (Walter Martin, Christian Science, pp. 7–13; Martin Gardner, The Healing Revelation of Mary Baker Eddy, pp. 145–158).
(7) Whereas the Christian Science approach to healing may help psychosomatic illnesses, it has been scientifically demonstrated that it is not effective with real illness. Studies comparing the cumulative death rates of practicing Christian Scientists with control groups have shown significantly higher death rates among the Christian Scientists (Journal of the American Medical Association, September 22/29, 1989, pp. 1657–58, and Morbidity Weekly Report, August 23, 1991, pp. 579–582).

RESOURCES
Christian Science: Illusion, Confusion & Delusion. Cassette tape and manual combination. The manual, compiled by Watchman Fellowship's Fred Russell, contains twenty-nine pages loaded with photocopies of essential passages from Christian Science publications, plus more than a hundred scripture references refuting Christian Science doctrines. The tape explains the photocopies, and their use in a witnessing situation. $8.
Kingdom of the Cults, Walter Martin. Classic work on the cults includes forty page chapter on Christian Science. Bibliography, index, 544 page hardback. $20.
Handbook of Today's Religions, Josh McDowell. A large work detailing the history and heresy of many world religions and cults in chapter form. Contains a Christian Science chapter (10 pages). Indexed glossary, 567 page hardback, $25.

Knowledge alone isn't enough usually because cultists are very deceived. Pray that the blinders and deceptions that satan has put over his mind be removed and that God opens his heart and mind to the truth of the gospel.

Stick with Jesus and Him crucified when into discussions with cultists. Every cult denies, changes, removes or perverts who Jesus is and what He did.

Hope this helps.


Posted by: Jeremy_37211

Actually,

Thanks for the information..

But this guy is not a christian scientist, he is just a plan out Scientologist. I could be wrong, but I believe those are different religious movements.. And..He IS a doctor.

Jeremy


Posted by: Soteria777

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeremy_37211
Actually,

Thanks for the information..

But this guy is not a christian scientist, he is just a plan out Scientologist. I could be wrong, but I believe those are different religious movements.. And..He IS a doctor.

Jeremy


Scientology IS Christian Science.

God can even save doctors!


Posted by: Frederik

Quote:
Originally Posted by Soteria777
Scientology IS Christian Science.

God can even save doctors!


What ?
Scientology is all about suppressing people and getting money from them, the leaders live on their ships which cruise the Atlantic and drink Crystal. This is what it's all about. Scientology sucks !


Posted by: Jeremy_37211

I think they're different..

but anyway...

educate me regardless


Posted by: Soteria777

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeremy_37211
I think they're different..

but anyway...

educate me regardless


"Church of Scientology, L. Ron Hubbard: Humans are immortal spiritual beings whose experience extends beyond a single lifetime (reincarnation), and whose capabilities are unlimited, though presently imprisoned by matter, energy, space, and time (MEST). Salvation is the recovery of spiritual freedom, ability, independence and serenity, including freedom from the endless cycle of birth and death (reincarnation), and full awareness and ability independent of the body, i.e., being “able to control matter, energy, space, and time.” These god-like powers are achieved through auditing, a process whereby “engrams,” (the mental recordings of past moments of pain and unconsciousness), and other barriers to such states are removed, abilities are regained, and greater awareness achieved. Auditing can last for years and may cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. Teachings are also advanced through affiliated business management companies such as Sterling Management Systems, the drug prevention program Narcanon, and in public schools though Way to Happiness. The writings and recorded spoken words of L.Ron Hubbard (contained in over 500,000 pages of writings and over 2,000 tape-recorded public lectures) constitute the scripture of the religion, his book Dianetics, the Modern Science of Mental Health being foundational. Scientology publishes several magazines including Advance, High Winds, and Source; also several newspapers and newsletters including The Auditor, Tech News, KSW News and the FSM Newsletter. Scientology has a history of alleged abuse and illegal activities, and is fighting legal battles in countries all over the world. Profile available. Research material available."

"Christian Science, Mary Baker Eddy, Boston, MA: Officially called Church of Christ, Scientist. Eddy’s teaching heavily indebted to Phineas P. Quimby, a mesmerist. Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures functions as a virtual second canon of Scripture. Views God as infinite Mind, “the animating divine Principle of all that is real and good.” Matter is unreal; thus, so are sickness and death, which are overcome by believing that we are Mind. Seeking medical help is discouraged, frequently resulting in preventable deaths. Christ is “the divine manifestation of God” most fully seen in Jesus, who only seemed to die. The “Holy Ghost” is Divine Science, that is, Christian Science. The orthodox doctrine of the Trinity is rejected as polytheistic. Many New Age ideas have historical roots in Christian Science and related Mind Science groups. Profile available."

Both of the above courtesy of www.watchman*****. More details of each on that site.

You are right, they ARE different! I learned something NEW today.

The one thing they do have in common is they're both in error!


Posted by: Agent

Quote:
Originally Posted by Soteria777
Scientology IS Christian Science.

God can even save doctors!

But not all Christian scientists are scientologists .