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Question about prayer

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Posted by: ANOINTED WARRIOR

JG have a deep, deep question for you as to ask because I know you see a lot of things when you pray, and a lot of the things you are always talking about sounds like what I see and stuff when I pray so want to ask you this when I begin praying within 5 or 10 minutes I am already in the very presence of God at his throne in his shekinah glory cloud, when praying his cloud covers me and descends on me everytime when I pray and then his anointing only gets stronger, but then sometimes it gets very peaceful and has been that way for a while its like I get past a vail in the spirit and he keeps just taking me deeper and deeper in his presence and in the spirit, then I will start seeing flashes of light like whitish-purple bright light flashing all around me this happens all the time when I pray when I usually get deep into prayer, once his glory was so revealed I could see real bright light for about 2 or 3 seconds then went away this happens a lot to and can see a person or angel manifest always to the right of my eye when praying, my question is this what do you think he is doing with me is he preparing me to enter right into his glory to talk face to face with him in the spirit this is what I am sensing and If I keep pressing in will I finally get to a new level deep in his spirit once I bust past this vail in the spirit where I will see him in the spirit face to face, or am I already past the vail in his presence and glory and cant go any farther, or do I just stay where I am at and let him keep manifesting himself to me in the spirit, I guess what I am asking is this am I already at the throne room and cant keep going past vails in the spirit or can I, because most of the time his glory and presence is very strong when I pray and I mean strong this is no joke he is literally there with me when I pray he shows up in peace and glory and fire and power in waves of his glory and its awesome, since you have all this knowledge in prayer I wanted to ask you because I know you see a lot of things in the spirit when you pray and know you see Jesus face to face when you pray to so please give me some advice thanks hope this wasnt to long just showed you how it all happens when I pray this is how it is everytime God Bless


Posted by: JG

You said:
I guess what I am asking is this
am I already at the throne room
If this is a question you should know if you are in the throne room


You said:
and cant keep going past vails in the spirit
or can I,
If you are in the throne room there is no place else to go.
Why would you?

You said:
because most of the time his glory and presence is very strong
when I pray and I mean strong this is no joke
he is literally there with me when I pray

If Jesus is there why would you want to go anywhere else?


Posted by: ANOINTED WARRIOR

amen thanks reason being I asked this question is I thought there was levels you can keep going to in prayer meaning vails that will take you deeper in the spirit, but am starting slowly but surely starting to recognize yes why would I when I am already in his presence, see we got the outer court, the inner court and the Holies of Holies, I must already then be in the holies of holies when I am in his presence already that strong, right this is what I have to grasp that I am not in the inner court trying to get to the holies of holies but am already in the holies of holies

If you could Jg is up to you do a teaching on the inner and outer courts and holies of holies, like define when we are praying on are knees when we are in the outer court which to me I think is the mind and asking for forgiveness etc, and from the mind when you get past your mind and get into your spirit and start praying in the inner court which is worship and thanksgiving right correct me if I am wrong, then of course we are in his glorious presence in the holies of holies, I am in no way boasting but when I start praying I get out of my mind very fast and into the spirit and almost immediatly am ushered into his presence, then I just enjoy his presence and let him reveal himself to me in his glory, see when I am in his presence I am still wanting to go to another level in him in the spirit but am now learning why would I if I am already in his presence, you have to forgive me this will be a breakthrough for me once I get it, and I mean in another level by wanting to go past more vails, but I dont have to am already in his presence thanks for helping me really God Bless this will help me now spend more time in his presence and just fellowship with him instead of looking for more vails to go through thanks


Posted by: Frederik

Oh man, what do I have to do to get this,too?


Posted by: KingdomWarrior

AW, wow!! How I long to go into the Throne Room. I have been there 1 time and my heart desires to see my Lord again.


Posted by: Frederik

So are you saying you leave your body and your spirit travels to heaven to the thrown room? How is this possible?


Posted by: KingdomWarrior

I wouldn't describe it as that (btw, I am Pm'ing you back).

It is like I am in my body, yet I am with the Lord. I can't descibe it. Remember Paul said that he knew a man who went to the 3rd Heaven (this is what we are talking about). He said that he didn't know if it was in the body or out of the body.

It is kind of the same thing - you just know that you are there.


Posted by: Frederik

And do you have your eyes closed or open? Is it in front of your eyes and your natural environment disappears?


Posted by: KingdomWarrior

I honestly don't remember. It seems that my eyes were open though. This was back in 1998.

Some visions come with the eyes open, other with the eyes closed (kind of an awake dream).


Posted by: ANOINTED WARRIOR

As you pray when yielding to the Holy Spirit he opens your spiritual eyes to see these things, it all has to do from being in so much anointing and Gods presence, when yielded to the Holy Spirit supernatural things happen, when yielded to self and flesh nothing supernatural happens, we are spirit,soul and body in that order not flesh,soul then spirit, we are to walk in the spirit first yielding to the anointing and ways of the Holy Spirit in are lives and his word.. Flesh yields to mind and its ways, When walking in the spirit your spirit yields to the Holy Spirit and his ways, When in the flesh it yields to trying to figure things out, when in the spirit it yields to resting in God and knowing he is faithful to fullfill all his promises without waivering, when in the flesh confusion sets in, when in the spirit yielded to the Holy Spirit his peace governs every decision, thought and every motive..You simply walk in the spirit by divorcing your flesh and its ways (this includes all the old ways you used to think and figure out things and how you live) to truely walk in the spirit you dont try to figure anything out you simply live on every word that comes out of the mouth of God both from his word and in your daily life and what he speaks to you in prayer.. SACRIFICE,SACRIFICE,SACRIFICE is the key you have to sacrifice all that Jesus wants you to get rid of if its your attitude BYE,BYE let it go, if its your own pride or self will BYE,BYE let it go, if its trying to figure things out and understand BYE, BYE let it go only your born-again spirit can understand the things of God not the flesh... Another major key to walking in the spirit is being BROKEN before the Lord each time you are broken before the Lord he pours himself in, and he knows if you truely are broken or not, to fully grow in Jesus and to be taken to new levels in him there is always BROKENESS before him in prayer, another key to the spirit filled life is this get out of your comfort zones how do we expect to grow in Jesus and his ways if we want to stay in are comfort zones, so Jesus will begin to shake us up and break us to get us out of are comfort zones and ways...This is one thing I have found to be very true in the Christian walk If you DO NOT let Jesus do what he wants to do even if you think he has forgotten what he was going to do with you in changing you HE WILL GET HIS WAY AND CHANGE YOU THE WAY HE WANTS TO even if it takes going around the mounatin of troubles and confusion and your ways for 50 years when you are finally at the end of yourself Jesus will have gotten his way not to show how tuff or big he is to show his love for you to love you enough to not leave you in the state and confusion you were in so he can bring you to where he wants you to be in him EVER GROWING in him, this will involve breaking and bringing about the death of pride in a persons life thus bringing about humility which is also the main ingrediant to walking in the spirit... Instead of trying to THINK your way out, WORSHIP your way out this solves much more than trying to figure things out for the next 60 years..

Colossians 3
15And let the peace (soul harmony which comes) from Christ rule (act as umpire continually) in your hearts [deciding and settling with finality all questions that arise in your minds, in that peaceful state] to which as [members of Christ's] one body you were also called [to live]. And be thankful (appreciative), [giving praise to God always].

As we can see in the diagram below The spiritual man when yielded to the Holy Spirit every part of his spirit,soul and body is affected by the power of God when when walking in the spirit first yielded to God.

As we see the fleshly man is all bent out of shape from placing his flesh first then soul instead of walking in the spirit yielding to the power of God..

See your spirit is to govern your soul and body not your body and soul govern your spirit, when flesh and soul goes first then comes all confusion and the bent out of shape life, but when placing your spirit first yielding to the Holy Spirit and the word of God comes a victorious life full of Gods power to influence your soul and body..

This is why if a person is not born again in Jesus the spirit man has no life or yoke destroying power in it to overcome all bondage in his life and cannot live a victorious life, this was one of the main reasons behind Jesus dying on the cross to bring back where man once was, when accepting Jesus into your heart he now replaces where there was no power and where the void was in your spirit with his anointing and strength to overcome all that is in your life and to bring you life eternally, this is why we MUST let are spirit man rule and reign over are emotions and flesh yielding to the word of God and his spirit continually this way we are operating in his strength and power to overcome all that is in are lives instead of walking in the flesh then soul disrupting are life by walking in are own strength..
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So what are you going to do first

1. No more figuring things out when you try to figure things out your saying to Jesus yeah I made you lord of my life but I dont need you because I am trying to do this on my own and figure it out, Jesus instead of doing things your way I think I will try things my way first then if mine dont work I will think about doing what your word says, but then agian Jesus if nothing I do works I will get to you and let you know..

2. You are going to move out of the way (this includes all things that pertain to flesh your thoughts, mind what man thinks of you and what your family thinks of you, your emotions, habits, pride you are going to place Jesus first in everything instead of you)

3. Whenever you begin to think of you or say the word I and me or whoa ways me, You are going to stop and repent and get your eyes back onto Jesus and his ways..

4. You will wake up each morning saying Good morning Jesus and when you go to bed you will say goodnight Jesus

5. You will pray for 5 minutes a day reading your bible five minutes a day

6. You will take a moment during the day to say I love you Jesus and picture yourself hugging him and him hugging you back.

7. When frustration begins to set in you will let your flesh die, for frustration is the signal of a part of your flesh dying and a part of the new you coming alive in Jesus, for Jesu sis removing something form your life replacing it with what he wants place in its place..

8. Daily you will ask Jesus to forgive you of your sins and ask him to wash your spirit soul and body in his blood and healing waters and in his anointing

9. You will learn to forgive yourself when you do something wrong, for the bible says to love your enemies and sometimes we are the worst enemy in are life so we need to learn to forgive and love ourself.

10. You are going to enjoy life in Jesus everyday no matter what you do or dont know, for it is not up to you to know or dont know its up to Jesus to teach you and show you the way, when you try to be the way the truth and the life all goes down the tube but when you let Jesus be the way the truth and the life in every area of your life then life in abundance comes to you when you yield to him..

11. Instead of thinking your way out you will now worship your way out

12. And you are going to let the peace of God act as umpire in making decisions and in every area of your life

And before you know it you will be on your way in walking in the spirit instead of walking in the flesh..


Posted by: KingdomWarrior

Wonderful teaching AW!


Posted by: Frederik

Pray 5 minutes a day? And read the bible 5 minutes a day? Why only 5 minutes? If I don't read the bible and learn the stuff then how else shall I learn it? Will Jesus knock on my door and download all the information directly in my brain? This makes no sense to me.


Posted by: ANOINTED WARRIOR

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Originally Posted by Frederik
Pray 5 minutes a day? And read the bible 5 minutes a day? Why only 5 minutes? If I don't read the bible and learn the stuff then how else shall I learn it? Will Jesus knock on my door and download all the information directly in my brain? This makes no sense to me.
Because instead of eating the whole plate at once you slowly get into spending more time in the bible and prayer both...


Posted by: Frederik

Man I have been a christian for 3 years, I think I wasted enough time.I can read much more than 5 minutes a day.I wanna grow and learn something so I have to do something.