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Which day do we worship God on, Saturday or Sunday.

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Posted by: JG

Why worship on Sunday
instead of Saturday?

    The word of God said in the Old Testament:
"Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy. Six day you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you" (Exodus 20:8-10,).

It was our custom to come together on the Sabbath, which was Saturday, cease work, and worship God.

Jesus went to the synagogue on Saturday to teach (Matt. 12:9, John 18:20) as did the apostle Paul (Acts 17:2; 18:4; ). So, if in the Old Testament we are commanded to keep the Sabbath and in the New Testament we see Jews, Jesus, and the apostles doing the same thing, then why do we worship on Sunday?

     In creation God rested on the seventh day. But, since God is all powerful, He doesn’t get tired. He doesn’t need to take a break and rest. So, why did does it say that He rested? The reason is simple: Mark 2:27 says, "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." In other words, God established the Sabbath as a rest for His people, not because He needed a break, but because we are mortal and need a time of rest, of focus on God. In this, our spirits and bodies are both renewed.

There is Evidence in the Bible of the Change this can be Seen in the NT

     Within the New Testament is ample evidence that the seventh day Sabbath is no longer a requirement.

     The entire section of Rom. 14:1-12 is worth careful study. Nevertheless, the instructions here are that individuals must be convinced in their own minds about which day they observe for the Lord. If the seventh day Sabbath were a requirement, then the choice would not be mans’, but God’s.

     Notice the sequence mentioned.
A festival is yearly event.
A new moon is monthly event.
A Sabbath is weekly event.
The word said do not let anyone judge in regard to this. The reality of the Sabbath is Jesus. Jesus is our Sabbath.

     The first day of the week is Sunday and this is the day the people gathered. This verse can easily be seen as the church meeting on Sunday. It has two important church functions within it: breaking bread which was communion and preaching. Luke used the Roman system: midnight to midnight for defining a day. This is a subtle point that shows the Jewish Sabbath system was not the one utilized by Luke.

     Notice here that Paul is asking the churches to meet on the Sunday of each week and put money aside. It would seem that this is tithing. So, the instructed time for the church to meet is Sunday.

     The New Bible Dictionary says regarding the term, ‘The Lord’s Day’ in Revelation 1:10: " This is the first extant occurrence in Christian literature of heµ kyriakeµ heµmera. The adjectival construction suggests that it was a formal designation of the church’s worship day. As such it certainly appears early in the 2nd century (Ignatius, Epistle to the Magnesians, 1. 67).
     In many churches today, the term "The Lord’s Day" is used to designate Sunday, the same as it was in the second century.

     I hope this is evidence enough to show you that the Bible does not require that we worship on Saturday. If anything, we have the freedom (Rom. 14:1-12) to worship on the day that we believe we should. And, we no one should judge us in regard to the day we keep. We are free in Christ, not under law (Rom. 16:14).



As the word says "let no man judge you" if you want to Worship on Saturday, Praise the Lord but if you want to Worship on Sunday Praise the Lord. That is between you and the Lord.



Posted by: ANOINTED WARRIOR

I know where you are coming from in saying this Jerry, I worship Jesus 24/7 seven days a week


Posted by: EzBreeze62

I found this very interesting, Jerry. Thank you for this post. I have often wondered exactly why there was such a disagreement concerning which day to gather for worship.
As a 'blue collar' worker, it is hard for me...almost impossible to find a job that allows me to have week-ends off. I wonder how you feel about my opinion that even if I can't take the day off, I can spend it worshipping God in my heart and actions. This to me is 'remembering the sabbath and keeping it holy'. I've had some who disagree with me on this, but it seems to be the best I can do.
I'm in the restaraunt industry, it's the only skill I have and it's 7 days a week.


Posted by: JG

The Ten Commandments
in the New Testament

     All of The Ten Commandments can be found in the New Testament in both the Gospels and in the writings of Paul. Except keep the sabbath. The charts below compares the Law of God in the Old and New Testaments. Before comparing these charts, let's compare Paul and Jesus. Below we have reproduced Romans 13:9-10 and Matthew 19:18-19.

Jesus

  1. Matthew 19:16-19 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
  2. 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
  3. 18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
  4. 19 Honour thy father and [thy] mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Paul

  1. Romans 13:8-10 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
  2. For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if [there be] any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
  3. Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love [is] the fulfilling of the law.

 

   Notice that Romans 13:9-10 is almost an exact quote of Jesus' words spoken 30 years earlier.

The Law Of God
Old Testament

The Law Of God
New Testament

Deuteronomy 5:6-21 I [am] the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.

ONE: Thou shalt have none other gods before me.

ONE: Matthew 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written,

 Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

TWO: Thou shalt not make thee [any] graven image, or any likeness of any thing that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the waters beneath the earth:

Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,

And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.

TWO: 1 John 5:21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. 

Acts 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

THREE: Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain: for the LORD will not hold [him] guiltless that taketh his name in vain. THREE: 1 Timothy 6:1 ... that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed.
FOUR:  Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.

Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work:

But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ***, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that [is] within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.

And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.

FOUR: Mark 2:27-28 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: 28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Unlike all the other commandments this is the only one that does not have a command to observe. But in contrast Paul said.

Col. 2:16-17, "Therefore let no one act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day— 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ."

Notice the sequence mentioned.
A festival is yearly event.
A new moon is monthly event.
A Sabbath is weekly event.
The word said do not let anyone judge in regard to this. The reality of the Sabbath is Jesus. Jesus is our Sabbath.
FIVE: Honor thy father and thy mother, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee; that thy days may be prolonged, and that it may go well with thee, in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee FIVE: Matthew 19:19 Honor thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.

Ephesians 6:1-3 Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right. Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth.

SIX: Thou shalt not kill. SIX: Romans 13:9 Thou shalt not kill
SEVEN: Neither shalt thou commit adultery. SEVEN: Romans 13:9 ... Thou shalt not commit adultery.
EIGHT: Neither shalt thou steal. EIGHT: Romans 13:9 ... Thou shalt not steal.
NINE: Neither shalt thou bear false witness against thy neighbour. NINE: Romans 13:9 ... Thou shalt not bear false witness.
TEN:   Neither shalt thou desire thy neighbor's wife, neither shalt thou covet thy neighbor's house, his field, or his manservant, or his maidservant, his ox, or his ***, or any [thing] that [is] thy neighbor's. 

These words the LORD spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice: and he added no more. And he wrote them in two tables of stone, and delivered them unto me.

TEN:  Romans 13:9 ... Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.

 

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law

Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.



Posted by: km21887

I found this very interesting jerry, thank you.
I have just joined this website today and I am already very excited about this. thank you. I hope I will be able to find the answers I am looking for here!
katie


Posted by: JG

Welcome to our world.

I pray you become one of the most important partners we have.

Alright let's welcome Katie to our home.

Jerry


Posted by: ANOINTED WARRIOR

Welcome katie God Bless may you be anointed beyond what you can ask for or recieve from the Holy Spirit


Posted by: JChappy11

Hebrews 4:4 And God did rest the Seventh Day from all his works and in this place again, if they shall enter into my rest.
8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.


There are two different types of sabbaths in the bible... the 7th day which God rested as and example to men.
The Sabbath day
3"`There are six days when you may work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, a day of sacred assembly. You are not to do any work; wherever you live, it is a Sabbath to the LORD.

And sabbath days, there called these but there were on different days, from the first day or any day, it was the ones nailed to the cross because it was a feast

The Lord's appointed special days and feasts

Edited by Jerry
It makes no sense to put down all the feast as a sabbath day


Posted by: JChappy11

What Does the Bible Say About . . . .
SABBATH & THE LORD'S DAY
INTRODUCTION
The Sabbath has always been a intriguing and uplifting source of Bible study to many. The Sabbath day was initiated by God on the seventh day of Creation as a memorial of His creative powers. He reinforced it to His people by its inclusion in the Ten Commandments. The Sabbath day is a day of rest and worship that will continue to be observed in Heaven (see Isaiah 66:22 and 23).

Yet there has been some controversy as to whether the requirement to observe the Sabbath day as a day of rest is still relevant given that many feel that the Ten Commandments were done away with at the cross. A similar viewpoint was that grace did away with the commandments, i.e. the law. Others argue that the Sabbath was just for the Jewish people and doesn't apply to Gentiles. Are any of these arguments valid? If not, then how and when did most Christianity begin worshipping on Sunday rather than on Sabbath?


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Posted by: ANOINTED WARRIOR

Being a Christian something>(the Holy Spirit) is telling me in my spirit that we should be more concerned about the salvation of people and praying for people more than worrying if we are keeping or worshipping on the sabbath day..


Posted by: ANOINTED WARRIOR

Jesus please let us not get in the ritual of the religous spirit that keeps us in bondage, but Jesus rather let us recieve your infilling of your Holy Spirit and let him lead and guide us into all truth instead of trying to have to figure it all out in are minds with are own thinking, for when we recieved you old things have passed away and all things have become new, let us then put on the mind of Christ and follow you and not are ways anymore we love you Jesus and thank you for showing us the way..let your shekinah glory descend here Jesus in this post releasing your healing anointing into are bodies and minds removing all that is not of you letting only what is of you remain, purge us Jesus in your pillar of fire and glory and make us into the likeness of you in how we are to be in are character, not are will but yours be done Jesus...


Posted by: JChappy11

The Sabbath Commandment
"Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
"Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
"But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God:in it thou shalt no do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates" (Ex. 20:8-10)

The Sabbath a sign forever
"Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughtout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
"It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed" (Ex. 31:16,17).

The Sabbath a sign of God as the sanctifier
"Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the Lord that sanctify them" (Eze. 20:12).
"And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the Lord your God" (Eze. 20:20).

The Blessing upon Sabbathkeepers
"Thus saith the Lord, Keep ye judgments, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed.
"Blessed is the man that doth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil" (Isa. 56:1,2).

A Sabbath Reform
"And they that shall be of thee shall build the old waste places: thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations: and thou shalt be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in.
"If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the Lord, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
"Then shalt thou delight thyself in the Lord: and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it" (Isa. 58:12-14).

The Sabbath in the New Earth
"For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain.
"And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord" (Isa. 66:22, 23).

SUNDAY AND THE SABBATH IN THE NEW TESTAMENT
"And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read: (Luke 17:2).
"And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures" (Acts 17:2).
Mark 2:27, 28; Luke 23:54-56; Matt. 24:20.
Matt. 28:1; Mark 15:42; 16:1; Acts 1:12.
Acts 13:42, 44; Acts 16:13; Acts 18:4; Heb. 4:9


Posted by: ANOINTED WARRIOR


John 14: 15 "If you love me, you will obey what I command.
(notice he didnt say if you love me obey my ten commandments)
In other words we are to yield to the Holy Spirit and his ways not what we think is right, for if we listen to the Holy Spirit he will tell us what to do...


Posted by: jedijeb

I read through JChappy's post before and have pondered it most of the weekend, One thing which keeps coming to mind is that if it is true that saturday is demanded to be observed strictly as the Sabbath then why are there so many instances of Jesus doing things on the Sabbath such as picking ears of corn to eat, and healing. Sure healing can be considered being a witness to someone and helping them spiritually, but gathering food is not and it was forbidden by old testiment law concerning what was lawful to do on the Sabbath. Jesus did not come to destroy the law but to fulfil it, and as such the law is no longer written on stone tablets, it is written in our hearts. The conviction of the Holy Spirit is our law, and just as Jesus showed with the explaination that adultry is not only the physical act but what is conceived in the heart, we see that the Law is much deeper than what was written in stone. Only with the conviction of the Holy Spirit can we truely know what God expects of us and how to please Him. What is written in stone condems us, as Paul says to live by those laws trying to get into heaven is only bondage.

If it is wrong to honor the Sabbath on Sunday, then there should be millions of Christians around the world who are feeling the terrible burden of being out of fellowship with God and they should be screaming for change that their hearts would be relieved of that burden. If I sin I know I feel that burden on my heart, yet when I worship on Sunday I do not feel that burden, does that mean God does not care enough about me to convict me of such a great sin? I think not. I can not say a cross word about someone that I do not feel the prick in my heart for doing something wrong, if I ignore God's voice when He is telling me I should do something I feel the conviction, why do I not feel a terrible overpowering dred of conviction for doing something so wrong for so many years if Saturday is the true day I should worship? If I have been living for the past 20 years with such a gross sin in my life, then I should surely be the most miserable of Christians, squirming under the constant knowledge that I am doing something wrong. Now if I skip a week of meeting with my local church I definately feel the conviction that I have not come together as I should. On this one I will go with how the Holy Spirit is leading me, as I am learning to do with all other questions of serving God.


Posted by: jedijeb

Another question, how does this fit into the arguement.
Jos 10:13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, Until the nation had avenged themselves of their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jashar? And the sun stayed in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.

Did the sabbath day move one day later, or was it celebrated on the sixth day that week?


Posted by: JChappy11

A Beast from the Sea (part 1)

Revelation 13 describes two beasts. The first comes out of the sea and the second out of the earth. Until the late 1800s' Protestants identified the first beast with the Roman Catholic Church, and we continue to hold this view. It's not simply a knee-jerk reaction arising out of anti-Catholic bigotry. It arose out of an interpretation of prophecy that can be analyzed in the light of current trends. A careful examination of Revelation 13 shows that its first beast has several characteristics:
*It is a religious power-it receives worship (verses 4,8).
*It is a political power with worldwide authority (verse 7).
*It commands worldwide respect (verse 3).
*It blasphemes God (verse 5).
*It persecutes God's people (verse 7).
*It continues its power for 42 months, or 1,260days (verse 5).

Notice the following similarities between this description of the beast and the Roman Catholic Church. The Vatican is both a religious authority and a political state. It commands the respect of the whole world. It has worldwide religious authority, and at the present time it has worldwide political influence. And the last three specifications above are carbon copies of three specifications of the little horn of Daniel 7. The Protestant Reformers interpreted Daniel's little horn as the Roman Catholic Church. The fact that three of the seven identifying marks of Daniel's little horn are also characteristics of the first beast of Revelation 13, including the 1,250-day period, lends strong support to identifying the two as the same power. Lets' briefly examine two issues relative to Roman Catholicism: (1) its global political power, and (2) the possibility of its becoming a persecuting power at some point in the future.


Posted by: JG

JCHappy:

What an interesting name.
Sometimes your post don't live upto your name.

I am not sure they make everyone happy.

I do not understand why you are so angry
The some rules you apply to the Catholic Church you can apply to almost any denomination.

Your logic is flawed by your emotions.

Will there be an anitchrist.
Yes
Will we Christians see him
NO - because we will be in heaven

Then the conditions you talk about will take over.

There is no world wide denomination that can fit your logic today.

If any thing the evangelicals and penticostals are growing at such a rate they fit your bill. Are you then going to say, all Assemblies of God, Church of God, Foursquare and independent churches are the bride also.

They have much more infulence than the Catholics have today.


Posted by: mine

Quote:
Originally Posted by EzBreeze62
I found this very interesting, Jerry. Thank you for this post. I have often wondered exactly why there was such a disagreement concerning which day to gather for worship.
As a 'blue collar' worker, it is hard for me...almost impossible to find a job that allows me to have week-ends off. I wonder how you feel about my opinion that even if I can't take the day off, I can spend it worshipping God in my heart and actions. This to me is 'remembering the sabbath and keeping it holy'. I've had some who disagree with me on this, but it seems to be the best I can do.
I'm in the restaraunt industry, it's the only skill I have and it's 7 days a week.



I also enjoy worshiping and praising seven days a week. It is great to enjoy fellowship with others and enter into praise with them but I don't feel it the only way. There is something special that only comes from quiet time with the Lord. The Lord will give you much more in the way of work, just ask him and believe. When people act, so does the Lord. May the Lord be with you always. In ending thank your for all you do.


Posted by: czynka

Quote:
Originally Posted by JG
Welcome to our world.

I pray you become one of the most important partners we have.

Alright let's welcome Katie to our home.

Jerry




Hi Katie
Welcome to our family sis....i hope you 'll be as blessed as i am by this site ! This is a place where you can be yourself, where you can grow and where you get encouragement !! You'll find a LOT of love here.
Bless you


Posted by: alexx

All Seven Days...hes In Our Hearts..in Our Minds...in Everything We See...how Can I Just Set One Day Aside To Worship Him....i Cant Think About Him Without Praising Him....hes Alive...his Words Arent Just For Studying...his Words Are For Listening To and for living...he's Not Far Away From Us..hes Inside Of Us..how Do You Put Aside A Day For Worship...im Sure My Words Are Making More Sense To Me Right Now Than Anyone Else Here...you Know How Jesus Fills You With A Well Of Emotion Inside..thats The Moment Im In Right Now....praise God! Jesus I Love You! Thank You Father For Loving Me! Wow.....this Feeling Of Love Is Awesome......ive Never Had That Happen To Me Before...please Dont Think Ive Gone Nuts Here...i Am About The Calmest Person You'll Ever See But Something Just Got A Hold Of Me Strong...that Was A First...honestly A First


Posted by: kasi64

~ praise you in the morning~ praise you in the evening~ when I am young and when I am old~praise you when i am laughing~praise you when I am mourning~join with the angels


Posted by: pickone

Thanks for bringing up this subject, and then talking about it. When my kids were young, I thought somebody must have messed up somewhere if they ever thought Sunday could be a day of rest. There is just something about getting two boys fed and dressed and getting to church without major incidents and emotional happenings going on.

I restudied this subject and decided Saturday, from looking at my calendar (which made sense to me at the time) was the Sabbath Day. Of course, I had to work on the Sabbath Day, but I thought it was a nice thought that God had.......

Since then, I have been really concerned. Shift workers, emergency personnel, etc. I've wondered if we all did it, would the "fort hold together" 'til we came back, ha!

I am glad you went into it, further.

It is almost impossible to do correctly, like the Old Testament teaches, particularly if you are new to it. Believe me, the world is against you. Heaven help you if you tell anyone what you are doing......But God does bless you for trying.

I will stay with what most of you are saying and with what the New Testament teaches. Let every man be convinced in his own mind. Faith is the victory that overcomes the world (Old Testament, I think).


Posted by: thornygrace

I worship God everyday.

I fellowship with other Christian's either on Saturday evening service or Sunday. Sometimes my fellowship is on Wednesday night.


Posted by: GA5966

Jerry,

I was there when you taught this at church. I agree I believe we need to gather and worship as many days as possible. I believe that we need to focus on our walk not on which day we have service. I know there are people who give me a hard time for being in church Mon.-Fri. and not on Sunday but my thought is this how can they judge me when I go 5 nights a week and they go to 2 services on Sunday and 1 on the third tuesday of the month. We need to be careful how we are judging. I know Jesus is happy with me and it is HIS approval not theirs I am looking for. Love ya,Peaches

Let me also say the person I am talking about is a dear friend but doesn't want to associate with me anymore. I still love this person but God is whom I need to answer too first. No hurt just love.


Posted by: Lorica Lass

I have seen all the arguments above, listed for why to keep Sundays as the day of Rest, in the past and had observed a Sunday day of Rest for about 20 years. I kept hearing the other side on those same arguments, though, and finally decided to research the subject more thoroughly, both sides, especially by reading the Bible.

It was kind of confusing. One person would say, for example, that the Apostles were meeting and collecting money on Sunday, therefore we can have a Sunday "Sabbath." Another person would show in the Scriptures how the Apostles were still celebrating Sabbath and the whole Jewish calendar - and saying that just because the early Church did some things extra on Sunday, that did not mean that a Saturday Sabba†h had been abandoned, that there was no proof for that at all. For example, Pentecost came on the same day for the new Christians as for the Jews, with the giving of the gift of the Holy Spirit being the only difference.

So back and forth it went. Two things clenched it for me that I would switch to Saturdays. (Now, I am not condeming others for celebrating Sundays. To do so would be to condemn my own self for 20 years!) First, I noticed that scholars who researched the subject showed with documentation, even secular documentation, that the Apostles and early Church in the first century were celebrating Sabbath/Saturday. These were disinterested scholars, even people who still celebrated a Sunday day of Rest. They showed how starting about 100 years after the early Church, Christians tended to rest on the Sabbath but then celebrate the Lord's resurrection on Sundays. Gradually Sundays became the only day considered, within a few centuries. The Roman Catholic Church, as some say, did not make the change, but only instituted what had gradually happened over a few centuries.

The second thing that clenched the change for me was that, reckoning by Jewish time/Biblical time, I had to agree with those who say that Yahshua was truly in the Tomb 3 days and 3 nights, and that all the confusion on calculating death-to- Resurrection is due to the fact that in the week He was crucified there occured the occasional two Jewish Sabbaths, i.e. two sacred days of rest in one week. If Yahshua died on Wednesday, as I believe He did, that means He rose from the dead on Saturday, the Jewish Sabbath. Yes, the women were at the Tomb and found it empty on Sunday. But how long had the Lord been gone from the Tomb? It does not say He just left it. Also, yes, the Lord appeared to the Apostles on Sunday. But if a person shows up at your door on a Sunday, is there any reason to assume anything about what He was doing on Saturday, especially when it comes to Yahshua, Who is Sovereign over all?

If Yahshau rose on the Jewish Sabbath/Saturday, why would we want to celebrate the Resurrection on Sunday?

One other point, when I searched the New Testament, there was never any statement saying that the 4th Commandment had been changed from Saturday to Sunday, or that we could pick and choose which Holy Day we liked. There are verses that people use to say IMPLY such a change, or INFER that we can celebrate either day as we like, but no actual statements to such effect were found.

A lot of this I got from searching scholars on the net. If you disagree I know exactly how you feel. All I can say is that I did my research - including with studying the actual words in the Bible, of course - and these are my conclusions. You are free to do your own research and come to our own conclusions of course.

But I will say that since I made the decision to switch to Saturday it is like some kind of burden has gone off of me, and there is a new freedom, a new joy I did not have before. It is really in accepting servitude and obedience to the Lord, to the Word, that we have freedom and fulfillment at the highest levels. What the Apostles did - that's for me!


Posted by: Lorica Lass

Just found a (I think) really cool Messianic (Jews who accept Yahshua as Messiach) site, and here is what they have to say regarding the statement in the New Testament that the early Church was coming together on Sunday and giving money for the Church...

HAVDALLAH
Some groups [Messianic people meeting on Shabbat] continue to meet (to socialize and/or study) at the end of Shabbat on Saturday evening. This time is called Havdallah. Remember, Saturday after sundown is the beginning of the "first day of the week." In the "New Testament" we see the early believers getting together for Havdallah. This was very important to them as it gave them freedom to talk about Yahshua. It was also the time to take care of business affairs (i.e., collecting money), as this was not done on Shabbat.


Posted by: pickone

I misunderstood this question when I read it. It is kind of like, when a plane crashes on the border of Canada and the United States, where do you bury the survivors? The answer is that we don't bury survivors.

I can't think of any day I would rather worship God on than just any day of the week. It is easier to get into His presence on the Sabbath Day, which is Friday sundown to Saturday sundown for me. On this day I don't feel pressed to serve anyone or do anything at all, other than the necessities.

There are times, though, when I have to ask God if it is OK for me to do something on this day. I am so glad I know I can go to Him for any reason.


Posted by: Rockrz

We worship God every day of the week!
In the New Covenant, we are living in the acceptable year of the Lord...the Jubilee. Everyday is the Holy day of the Lord!

That's an easy one.
We could have church services every day of the week if we want...


Posted by: Frederik

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rockrz
We worship God every day of the week!
In the New Covenant, we are living in the acceptable year of the Lord...the Jubilee. Everyday is the Holy day of the Lord!

That's an easy one.
We could have church services every day of the week if we want...


I think the others know that you are also "allowed" to worship God during the week.


Posted by: mine

Quote:
Originally Posted by pickone
I misunderstood this question when I read it. It is kind of like, when a plane crashes on the border of Canada and the United States, where do you bury the survivors? The answer is that we don't bury survivors.

I can't think of any day I would rather worship God on than just any day of the week. It is easier to get into His presence on the Sabbath Day, which is Friday sundown to Saturday sundown for me. On this day I don't feel pressed to serve anyone or do anything at all, other than the necessities.

There are times, though, when I have to ask God if it is OK for me to do something on this day. I am so glad I know I can go to Him for any reason.
amen and amen


Posted by: Rachel R

It seems to me that all Jesus did was start a new day to go to church.

The seventh day is Saturday. I think we are supposed to take Saturday off and do what we want to do to recreate ourselves, recreation!

Then on the first day of the week, Sunday, I think we go to church and gather as His Body on earth.

So the Sabbath rest is Saturday and the gather to worship day is Sunday.

He made the old system and the new system fit together perfectly.

Rachel


Posted by: Tatian

I think we should worship on both days even everyday. As a community we cannot all gather together in one building on a Saturday and for some it is a work day. They need to gather with others and rest according to the original principle anyway. One special day a week. No rules but life principles and following the Spirit.


Posted by: mtgp

Romans 14:5 "One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind."

There is no wrong or right sabbath, as long as in your convictions you are holding that day(s) in your heart to the Lord.


Posted by: mine

That we learn to get along. That our love would so shine that the need for war and bickering should have no place in our hearts. I go to church on Sunday, I enjoy coming together with my brothers and sisters in Christ but I worship everyday. I'm sure satin enjoys the rift that he brings between brothers and sister in Christ . We must search deep in our hearts before we judge, we must ask ourselves ourselves is this going to bring about division in His church.


Posted by: mine

Needs you. I find it interesting that every answer that we will ask is in the bible. I find it interesting that we seek not the answers that will bring joy into all hearts but the answers that will bring happiness into our hearts.


Posted by: rswarts

Do not also forget that Jesus rebuked the Pharisees who made the Sabbath something it wasn't. The man was not created for the Sabbath, but the Sabbath for man. So quick is one to state that the Sabbath was on a Saturday... and not on a Sunday... yet surely if you follow the pattern of the Sabbath occurring every six days, would something not disrupt it? Instead, set aside a day of the week for yourself that you will step away from your earthly obligations and dedicate the day to things of heaven, whether it be on Saturday or Sunday or Tuesday or Thursday. God created the Sabbath so that we may learn to rest in His peace... and surely that doesn't have to be conformed to when the rest of the Christian and/or Jewish world points out to be the Sabbath day of rest...


Jesus was rebuked for curing the bent woman on the Sabbath, and He retaliated against the Scribes and Pharisees... surely the Sabbath was created for man and not man for the Sabbath... this woman was suffering and I have healed her suffering... which leads us to see that the Sabbath isn't only for rest, but for healing.

May the Peace of the Father be with you

-Robert


Posted by: JG

Thank you aka for deleting the previous post.
What she said was not necessary and without knowldege


Posted by: Illuminate

Quote:
Originally Posted by JG
Thank you aka for deleting the previous post.
What she said was not necessary and without knowldege



Hello,

I just wanted to apologize for not being very selective of my words. And yes, it was without knowledge but some of it does make sense if you really think about it. Nevertheless, I do not have the spirit of offense, therefore, I will continue to praise this encouraging prayer message board.

Peace be unto you and God bless all,

illuminate


Posted by: prayyior

Father, we thank you for TRUTH, and for your WORD, for it is Truth. Lord, help us to all love one another, and care for each other, and walk according to your Word.
Let us all Worship you Daily! AMEN


Posted by: pickone

I sure am glad these posts were put in this forum!

The sabbath day was established by God before the Ten Commandments, then again in the Ten Commandments. I think Jesus may be the Sabbath day.

Mt 11:28
Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

So, maybe if we are walking in Christ, we are walking in the Sabbath day.....hmmmm......

Mt 9:14
¶ Then came to him the disciples of John, saying, Why do we and the Pharisees fast oft, but thy disciples fast not?

Mt 9:15
And Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber mourn, as long as the bridegroom is with them? but the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken from them, and then shall they fast.

Php 4:13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.
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I heard a Rabbi (not mentioning his name just in case I don't say this the right way) say that as Gentiles, we are not under as many rules as the Jews are. But, because we are trying to please God, and as we step out in faith, there are certain spiritual blessings God gives for obeying the law.
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We do have to be very close to God, seeking Him with all of our hearts, to know when to apply His law over a situation.

The REWARDS OF OBEDIENCE are absolutely out of this world! His law is my delight, I believe David said more than once.

But one of the first things God spoke into my spirit after I was baptised in His Spirit was....."My grace is sufficient for thee." I didn't know that one of the definitions of grace is "favor" until I heard it in one of God's meetings He had through Jerry Gaffney Ministries.

I believe God's glory is favor. Adam and Eve were covered in favor. Why in the world would we listen to another voice besides God's?

Genesis 3:11
And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?
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God, I am glad You understand.


Posted by: akabezalel

Rom 14:4-13 Who are you judging another's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. But he will stand, for God is able to make him stand.

One indeed judges a day [Saturday] above another day [Sunday]; and another one judges every day [Sun - Sat] alike. Let each one be fully assured [covinced, determined, set] in his own mind. The one minding the day, [that] he minds it to the Lord. And the one not minding the day, [that]he does not mind it to the Lord. The one eating, [that] he eats to the Lord; for he gives thanks to God. And the one not eating, [that] he does not eat to the Lord, and gives thanks to God.

For no one of us lives to himself and no one dies to himself. For both if we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. Then both if we live, and if we die, we are the Lord's. For this Christ both died and rose and lived again, that He might be Lord over both the dead and the living.

But why do you judge your brother? Or why also do you despise your brother? For all shall stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it has been written, "As I live, says the Lord, that every knee will bow to Me, and every tongue confess to God." Isa. 45:23 So then each one of us will give account concerning himself to God. Then let us no longer judge one another, but rather judge this, not to put a stumbling-block or an offense toward a brother.

I really think these verses say it all.

As long as you are doing it as an offering to the Lord it really doesn't matter which day you set aside for worship.

I happen to believe that every day, God is to be worshipped not just some set day, but I do not hold any one else to my way of thinking and worshiping, worship is a personal heart decision that each must make for themselves.

Going to a building to do it once a week together is called fellowship and the day you do that really doesn't matter, the early church fellowshipped daily... we fellowship a few times a week... makes no difference as long as we do it to the Lord, worshipping with our hearts.


Posted by: Serenes Greens

Thank YOU FATHER that YOU have freed us from all religiousity and in YOU we are a new creation,free to worship in SPIRIT and in truth.That we are walking in the new and not the old.Freed from all stiff necked religion in JESUS name I give thanks AMEN.


Posted by: Christian Commando

Interesting topic. Thus I offer these examples- 1- Christ claimed Jews must "be baptized for the remission of sins to recieve the Gift of the Holy Spirit. When Peter preached Salvation to Gentiles, they recieved the same Gift before being water baptized. Thus, because Christ did not include the ceremonial Law reserved for Jews to observe Saturday rest, it is clear, this was not necessary for Gentiles. Rather as seen in other examples posted, Gentiles were free to choose the day for the "rest". 2- You'll find in Early Church Teachings of the first 400 years of Christianity, they taught Gentiles chose to "rest" on the 1st day of the week in rememberance of Christ's ressurrection. That keeping the "Sabbath"- 7th day of rest was reserved for the Jews, leaving Gentiles free to choose basically any day of the week for this. 3- Because the Apostles themselves taught the above concerning Gentiles, we must realize God established some slightly different guidelines for His "First Chosen" to His "later Chosen" people. Take care all and God Bless!!


Posted by: MamaCat

What day do we worship God on?

EVERY DAY!!!

[And that's my final answer! ]


Posted by: wiselady

Some are sabbath keepers,they believe the only and right way to worship the
Lord is on Saturday's.Some worship only on Sunday's,which is the Lord's day
I worship the Lord everyday.


Posted by: bro ron

i really enjoyed this post it was really great and gave me a good answer for when one ask's this of me.I have said in the past to this and questions concerning halloween christmass/easter etc.etc. that most folks today do not know how these holidays begin and now some raise a lot of ruckus over our celebrating them,i just have always answered that God knows the intent of our heart.now i can add Your response to the sabbath and i have learned a great tool for when i witness so again Thank You for posting"great job" and a great board i look foward to learning many things here.!! God bless !!


Posted by: Praying Gal

When I first researched the issue of Saturday or Sunday "Rest" it was very confusing. One group of Scripture scholars said these verses and those verses mean we don't have to celebrate on Saturday or keep the Festivals. Other scholars, just as well, scholarly, were saying no those verses actually mean something different and we are to keep the Sabbath and the Festivals.

Finally I decided to heck with that approach. I would research the net and see what the actual early Church was doing! Actions of the participants speak louder than words of latter day scholars. The RC, Protestant and secular scholars all agreed there! Up to 123 A.D. solidly, and in some cases through the Middle Ages (though there was heavy - 10s of millions slaughtered - persecution of Sabbath keepers after Constantine) the early Church kept the Sabbath and the Festivals of Moses.

After this things fell into context for me re the Scrirptures. What do Acts 15 and Acts 21 show (also much else in Scriptures)? The Apostles kept the laws of Moses. Nothing could be more clear. It says that plain as day in Acts 21. But "traditions of men" have blinded our eyes to the obvious. Paul even told non Jewish converts to refrain from blood (strangled animals have not been bled). Why? Because blood is forbidden in the Torah by Moses, through YHWH.

I don't have time to debate this now but anyone can do a search on the net and see that the early Church was celebrating the Sabbath and Festivals as shown in the Scriptures. The Holy Spirit came down when the Apostles were celebrating a Jewish Festival, Shavuot/Pentecost, not on the Pentecost that is on our calendars. Read Acts 15 and Acts 21 very carefully. Research history. It's not hard on the net.

What do I do? Go by what some scholars say 2000 years later, who did not know the culture or the language as well as those writing it? Or should I do what the Apostles did, what the Scriptures show them doing? I went with history and the Scriptures.


Posted by: oneofgodsworkers

My Precious Dear Children

Please Remember Our Lord Jesus Teaches Us That The Sabbath Was Made For Man And Not Man For The Sabbath. He Also Teaches That It Is Good To Do Good On The Sabbath. He Also Teaches Us To Pray Without Ceasing Which Means To Always Be In Communion With Our Father A Constant Attitude Of Prayer. Christ Was In Fact Condemned For Healing On The Sabbath By The Religious Leaders In His Time Here On Earth. According To The Word Of God There Is Only One Sin That Will Not Be Forgiven And That Is Blasphemy Against The Holy Spirit So Please Let Not Satan Devide This God Chosen Body With Small Differances,
Let Us Praise The Father For Who He Is And Be About Our Fathers Business And Seek To Save That Which Is Lost To The Glory Of God The Father(united We Stand But Devided We Fall) Let Us Unite In Our Lord And Concern Ourselves With Letting God Do His Work Through Us To A Lost And Dieing World.
By The Way It States That God Rested On The Seventh Day(not Because He Needed It) But Because He Had Finished All He Had To Do And If You Was To Get So Technical Then You Would Keep Every Seventh Day From Your Day Of Birth As The Sabbath As That Would Be The Sabbath For You In Keeping The Commandment To Keep The Sabbath Day Holy. I Think We Should Keep Every Day Holy And As For Sunday That Came About In The Start Of The New Church As To Bring In Your Tithes And Offerings And To Devide Them Among All The Believers So No One Was In Need And To Gather Together And Give Praise To God For All He Had Done And To Learn More About The Truth Of Christ And The Scriptures To Be Able To Go Forth And Teach All Who Would Listen And Be Saved. Christ Fullfilled The Law To The Letter For Me In My Sted As He Knew I Could Not Keep The Law For In Breaking One Law I Have Broke All The Law And Under The Law I Am Commdemned But Praise Be To God The Father I Am Not Under The Law I Am Under The New Covenant Which Is Grace, For By Grace Are You Saved,not Of Works Lest Any Man Should Boast. Therefore I Am Saved By Gods Unearned Love,unmerited Love And Praise God Our Father In Heaven For That. Please Brothers And Sisters Be One In The Body Of Christ And Let Not Satan Devide Us On Secondary Issues.
May Our Father God And The Grace Of Our Lord Jesus Christ Be With You Always And Keep You At Peace And Full Of Love For One Another. God Bless You All.


Posted by: oneofgodsworkers

Mat 12:1 At1722 that1565 time2540 Jesus2424 went4198 on the3588sabbath day4521 through1223 the3588 corn;4702 and2532 his846 disciples3101 were hungry,3983 and2532 began756 to pluck5089 the ears of corn,4719 and2532 to eat.2068

Mat 12:2 But1161 when the3588 Pharisees5330 saw1492it, they said2036 unto him,846 Behold,2400 thy4675 disciples3101 do4160 that which3739 is not lawful1832, 3756 to do4160 upon1722 the sabbath day.4521

Mat 12:5Or2228haveyenot3756read314in1722the3588law,3551how3754thatonthe3588sabbath days4521the3588priests2409in1722the3588temple2411profane953the3588sabbath,4521and2532are1526blameless338

Mat 12:8For1063the3588Son5207ofman444is2076Lord2962even2532ofthe3588sabbath day.4521

Mat 12:10 And,2532 behold,2400 there was2258 a man444 which had2192his hand5495 withered.3584 And2532 they asked1905 him,846 saying,3004, (1487) Is it lawful1832 to heal2323 on the3588sabbath days?4521 that2443 they might accuse2723 him.846

Mat 12:11 And1161 he3588 said2036 unto them,846What5101man444shalltherebe2071among1537you,5216that3739shallhave2192one1520sheep,4263and2532if1437it5124fall1706into1519apit999onthe3588sabbath day,4521willhenot3780lay hold2902onit,846and2532lift it out?1453

Mat 12:12How much4214then3767is a man better1308, 444thanasheep?4263Wherefore5620itis lawful1832todo4160well2573onthe3588sabbath days.4521

Mar 2:27 And2532 he said3004 unto them,846The3588sabbath4521wasmade1096for1223man,444andnot3756man444for1223the3588sabbath:4521

Mar 2:28Therefore5620the3588Son5207ofman444is2076Lord2962also2532ofthe3588sabbath.4521

Mar 3:4 And2532 he saith3004 unto them,846Is it lawful1832todo good15onthe3588sabbath days,4521or2228todo evil?2554tosave4982life,5590or2228tokill?615 But1161 they3588 held their peace.4623

Luk 13:14 And1161 the3588 ruler of the synagogue752 answered611 with indignation,23 because3754 that Jesus2424 had healed2323 on the3588sabbath day,4521 and said3004 unto the3588 people,3793 There are1526 six1803 days2250 in1722 which3739 men ought1163 to work:2038 in1722 them5025 therefore3767 come2064 and2532 be healed,2323 and2532 not3361 on the3588sabbath4521 day.2250

Luk 13:15 The3588 Lord2962 then3767 answered611 him,846 and2532 said,2036Thouhypocrite,5273dothnot3756each one1538ofyou5216onthe3588sabbath4521loose3089his848ox1016or2228his***3688from575the3588stall,5336and2532lead him away520towatering?4222

Luk 13:16And1161ought1163not3756this woman,5026being5607adaughter2364ofAbraham,11whom3739Satan4567hathbound,1210lo,2400theseeighteen1176, 2532, 3638years,2094beloosed3089from575this5127bond1199onthe3588sabbath4521day?2250

Joh 5:9 And2532 immediately2112 the3588 man444 was made1096 whole,5199 and2532 took up142 his846 bed,2895 and2532 walked:4043 and1161 on1722 the3588 same1565 day2250 was2258 the sabbath.4521

Joh 5:10 The3588 Jews2453 therefore3767 said3004 unto him that was cured,2323 It is2076 the sabbath day:4521 it is not lawful1832, 3756 for thee4671 to carry142thy bed.2895

Joh 5:16 And2532 therefore1223, 5124 did the3588 Jews2453 persecute1377 Jesus,2424 and2532 sought2212 to slay615 him,846 because3754 he had done4160 these things5023 on1722 the sabbath day.4521

Joh 5:18 Therefore1223, 5124 (3767) the3588 Jews2453 sought2212 the more3123 to kill615 him,846 because3754 he not3756 only3440 had broken3089 the3588sabbath,4521 but235 said3004 also2532 that God2316 was his2398 Father,3962 making4160 himself1438 equal2470 with God.2316

Joh 7:22Moses3475therefore1223, 5124gave1325untoyou5213circumcision;4061(not3756because3754itis2076of1537Moses,3475but235of1537the3588fathers3962and2532yeon1722thesabbath day4521circumcise4059aman.444

Joh 7:23If1487aman444on1722thesabbath day4521receive2983circumcision,4061that2443the3588law3551ofMoses3475shouldnot3361bebroken;3089are ye angry5520atme,1698because3754Ihavemade4160aman444every whit3650whole5199on1722thesabbath day?4521

Joh 9:14 And1161 it was2258 the sabbath day4521 when3753 Jesus2424 made4160 the3588 clay,4081 and2532 opened455 his846 eyes.3788

Joh 9:16 Therefore3767 said3004 some5100 of1537 the3588 Pharisees,5330 This3778 man444 is2076 not3756 of3844 God,2316 because3754 he keepeth5083 not3756 the3588sabbath day.4521 Others243 said,3004 How4459 can1410 a man444 that is a sinner268 do4160 such5108 miracles?4592 And2532 there was2258 a division4978 among1722 them.846

Col 2:16 Let no3361 man5100 therefore3767 judge2919 you5209 in1722 meat,1035 or2228 in1722 drink,4213 or2228 in1722 respect3313 of a holy day,1859 or2228 of the new moon,3561 or2228 of the sabbath4521days:

Col 2:14 Blotting out1813 the3588 handwriting5498 of ordinances1378 that was against2596 us,2257 which3739 was2258 contrary5227 to us,2254 and2532 took142 it846 out of1537 the3588 way,3319 nailing4338 it846 to his cross;4716

Col 2:15And having spoiled554 principalities746 and2532 powers,1849 he made a show1165 of them openly,1722, 3954 triumphing over2358 them846 in1722 it.848

Col 2:20 Wherefore3767 if1487 ye be dead599 with4862 Christ5547 from575 the3588 rudiments4747 of the3588 world,2889 why,5101 as though5613 living2198 in1722 the world,2889 are ye subject to ordinances,1379

PLEASE EXCUSE THE NUMBERS AS THEY ARE REF. TO THE STRONGS GREEK CONCORD. FOR STUDY OF EACH WORD. I PRAY THIS HELPS ON THIS SUBJECT. MAY GOD BLESS AND KEEP YOU ALL IN HIS PEACE AND JOY


Posted by: richlyblessed

you have spoken truth, the real focus is the greatest commandment," Love the L-rd with all your heart, will and devotion........" forgive the paraphrasing. to me, the sabbath is the day that i wait and rest on the L-rd, doing only that which keeps me in his voice range. the church has enough rules, and people are not set free by rules, they are set free by the Power of the Cross. Judica is a religion, hebrew a language, and Israel a nation. long ago the so called blood lines of ancestry were lost same as the tribes, we are grafted into G-ds favor by the blood of a jew named Jesus. Jesus praticed the true form of Judica, he and he alone is the High Priest that can make rules, there are 613 commandments in the old testiment. 1050 in the New testiment. take the time to see that when Jesus said," Fear not." it was a commandment.
be blessed
rich^+^


Posted by: Christian Commando

Jesus never preached on remembering the Sabbath and keeping It holy. But, He held to God's original ordinance concerning the Jewish Sabbath by following It being in Jewish culture and territory.

But, where Gentiles are concerned, God, thru Paul declares in Rom. 14:1-6, the Sabbath can be established for any particular day of the week individually and no judgement should be applied to this, but accepted.

Plus the fact, the Apostles themselves came together for thier Sabbath, thus most churches they established, also met on "Sunday" for Sabbath, the first day of the week, This was thier onviction of God, in rememberance of Christ's rising from the dead, to overcome death by sin. This is all shown in God's Word.

You can find evidence of such in Acts, Corinthians, Romans and a few other Boks to this. As for what we should concentrate on, ye, the Blood of Christ saves us from eternal Death, but, that is not where seeking and living for God ends.

God's Word was given us- "Law", for guiding us in growing more in God. While Christ gave us those two "greatest of commandments", He never said not to follow the rest. He declares instead, he who does the Father's Will, etc, etc, means following all of God's Word.

No, the "Law" does not save, but God gave the "Law" to us, as guidance to avoid sin, and show us sin we already are involved with. Not only that, but God teaches us to read and learn His Word for showing ourselves approved. He also teaches to learn It and keep It hidden in our hearts. That It provides us with God's Armor daily against Satan's firey darts- (attacks). That also, while reading and studying His Word, the Holy spirit shall also open up greater understanding of It as we fervetly seek the truth.

And we need to pay close attention when God shows us differences in understanding his Word, when He is sharing a Truth dealing with a cultural, individual, event or other example for our learning. As Christ did, He followed thru with Sabbath observances for when to go and preach in Synagogues, (Jewish Temples or Churches). He also observed the festival events associated with Godly ordinances for Jews which He had the "Lord's Supper" and more.

So, theres alot more to God's Word than meets the eye at first and we should never believe the "Law" is any less important because of the two most important, (not exclusive), Commandments, or because It cannot save us. Its still God's teachings for living a life in Him, after coming to belong to God.

God Bless!!