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Islam not peaceful

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Posted by: mercydependent

After watching the graphic video regarding Palestinian killings, group stonings, lynchings, beatings, and more, all to the cheers and chants of these people, it just made me sad to think people of this mindset actually exist. Honestly, it all looked so evil and sickening to me, I could only think of satan's influence in everything. I thought of children here enjoying their childhood, and kids over there in army camps with rifles. For every child, there are parents and political leaders behind them, encouraging brutality, continual generations just breeding more warriors with such an evil mindset. And honestly, call me chicken, but unless Jesus really spoke clearly to me about going there and spreading the word, all I can think of, is that I'll be publically hung in the village square, or maybe get one of those black sacks over my head and be shot to death in a heartbeat. Quite honestly, I'm scared to approach people like that, and the more I see of this, it's so disheartening. Do they even want to know anything about Jesus, peace, love? They are of a mob mentality, one joining in with the other, and I feel hopeless that they will ever be reached. Sad, but true. I'm from New York City, and the events of 9/11, Iraq, etc. leave me with distrust, fear, and shame that I feel this way, but that's the way I feel.


Posted by: The_Philster

Views like these are why we need to improve education in our schools.
After the events of 9/11 and even before, the media has helped to portray Islam as a bad religion and against democracy and human rights. This couldn’t be farther from the truth. To be honest, not all the fault can be placed at the feet of the media. The Taliban, Osama Bin-laden, and leaders of nations like Libya, Iraq, and Afghanistan have done a great disservice to the religion by trying to portray themselves as “Champions of Islam.” Saddam Hussein isn’t even religious but uses passages from the Koran to convince Muslims to follow him. The religion does not condone death for any purpose, just like Christianity. In fact, according to the Koran, killing one person is like killing all of humanity.


Posted by: smb1976

Pray, pray and pray some more. I to was upset by this video. I thank God I live in the U.S. I pray that this will encourage us to love each other even more and attempt to spread the gospel everywhere we can.


stephanie


Posted by: alexx

Does The Religion Of Islam Teach You To Hate Christians And Jews? If It Does Then It Is Not Peaceful.....does This Religion Beleive In God And Jesus Christ? If It Does Not It Is Not Peaceful Because If You Dont Worship The God Of Abraham....you May As Well Be Worshiping Satan(only Two True Choices...god Or Satan)...all Else Is A Lie....if The God Of Abraham Is Not Your Choice Then You Choose Satan...and Satan Is Not Peaceful...he May Hide In Peaceful Surroundings But There Is Always A Timebomb Of Destruction Nearby...do I Think Islam Is Evil....yes I Do...no Matter What The Book Of Koran Says It Is...look At The Fruits 0f Its Labor...the Koran Means Nothing To Me....just Alot Of Words....does It Live...does Alla Speak To You From This Book...or Is It Just Words From Some Dead Guys....can You Pick Koran Up And Read It 50 Different Times And It Still Teach You Something New.....the Bible Is Gods Living Word


Posted by: Tatian

The koran says I have heard "The Ink of a scholar is worth more than the blood of a martyr" (or a thousand) and other such things that confound Islamic people because they don't know their own religion, it is falsified. Alike perhaps 16th century Catholicism. The Koran does not permit suicide or murder of such as children. Historically however Muslims have been aggressors.


Posted by: The_Philster

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Originally Posted by Tatian
The koran says I have heard "The Ink of a scholar is worth more than the blood of a martyr" (or a thousand) and other such things that confound Islamic people because they don't know their own religion, it is falsified. Alike perhaps 16th century Catholicism. The Koran does not permit suicide or murder of such as children. Historically however Muslims have been aggressors.

Christians have been aggressors as well...at least those who call themselves Christians like Hitler, the KKK, and those who invaded the Holy Land during the Crusades. We can't judge a people based on the actions of the extremists who say they follow the religion.


Posted by: Tatian

Jesus did not build walls or teach sword play... We fight spiritual battles. Only when the emperor converted did Christians have an army. Perhaps the emperor only quarter turned taking into account the retainment of pagan festivals... But a state does need defence. Perhaps when Jerusalem was burned and evacuated then Christians may have mistakenly fought.

However Christendom, forgive me if I am mistaken, was not so aggressive until after the Jihads began. The anti-Jihad soldiers and crusader were so corrupt as to rape... They really weren't Christians. Hitler was a rebel indeed. The crusades were a mistake.

I was meaning to say in my previous post that Islam does not assert violence over the scholar and forbids aggression oftentimes. Perhaps Jihad isn't just an extremity of Islam and is part of the accepted practice. It seems to depend on individuals attitudes.

But the best interpretation favours peaceful rivalry from them I think.


Posted by: The_Philster

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Originally Posted by Tatian
Jesus did not build walls or teach sword play... We fight spiritual battles. Only when the emperor converted did Christians have an army. Perhaps the emperor only quarter turned taking into account the retainment of pagan festivals... But a state does need defence. Perhaps when Jerusalem was burned and evacuated then Christians may have mistakenly fought.

However Christendom, forgive me if I am mistaken, was not so aggressive until after the Jihads began. The anti-Jihad soldiers and crusader were so corrupt as to rape... They really weren't Christians. Hitler was a rebel indeed. The crusades were a mistake.

I was meaning to say in my previous post that Islam does not assert violence over the scholar and forbids aggression oftentimes. Perhaps Jihad isn't just an extremity of Islam and is part of the accepted practice. It seems to depend on individuals attitudes.

But the best interpretation favours peaceful rivalry from them I think.

Jihad means struggle which, to the vast majority of Muslims, means the struggle through life. It has nothing to do with war, except as a defensive war.


Posted by: Tatian

I am not well informed here, why did the Muslims invade Spain and try for other countries? Turkey invaded Hungary, the Tartars raided Russia... Were they just extremists or secular motivated men?


Posted by: jmss114

Unfortunately history has proven that mankind is not a peaceful species regarless of their religious denominations. There is the Brahiminian invasion of India, the Christian invasions and inquisition, and of course the Muslim invasions and expansion of the Ottoman empire. The list goes on and on. These invasions and wars have nothing to do with religious beliefs. Instead they are based solely on greed ... greed for wealth and power. The religious connotations are merely applied to cover the true evil nature of the deeds. Satan's influence exists everywhere, even amongst the 'religious'.
The Muslim Jihad is being abused by terrorists. A true Jihad is a fight against the evils of daily struggle (temptations etc)... not against other religions. In fact the Muslim religion teaches that Jews and Christians are not to be harmed, since they are of the 'book'. Mohammad actually studied with the Jews and the Christians before he started the Muslim religion ... it was only supposed to be a continuation of the same belief systems. Their 'bible' is a compilation of visions he received while living in a cave. Unfortunately some of the 'visions' are not very explicit, and are being interpreted to suit the desires of the terrorist/dictators etc.
But before we point the finger at the Muslims, maybe we should examine some of our own teaching .. how many different interpretations do the various denominations of Christianity come up with for the same verses, and how often do we interpret partial verses to suit our own needs? For example some teach that women are not supposed to wear pants based on the verse that a man is not suppose to dress like a woman or a woman like a man. The portion of the verse that states "for the purpose to deceive" is often completely ommitted. I do not know about the other women on the site, but I am deceiving no one into thinking that I am a man when I wear pants.
This is not meant to put down any denomination, for as Jerry said, we all need different methods of worship. However we do tend to come up with different interpretations of the same verses or to take portion out of context.


Posted by: alexx

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Originally Posted by alexx
Does The Religion Of Islam Teach You To Hate Christians And Jews? If It Does Then It Is Not Peaceful.....does This Religion Beleive In God And Jesus Christ? If It Does Not It Is Not Peaceful Because If You Dont Worship The God Of Abraham....you May As Well Be Worshiping Satan(only Two True Choices...god Or Satan)...all Else Is A Lie....if The God Of Abraham Is Not Your Choice Then You Choose Satan...and Satan Is Not Peaceful...he May Hide In Peaceful Surroundings But There Is Always A Timebomb Of Destruction Nearby...do I Think Islam Is Evil....yes I Do...no Matter What The Book Of Koran Says It Is...look At The Fruits 0f Its Labor...the Koran Means Nothing To Me....just Alot Of Words....does It Live...does Alla Speak To You From This Book...or Is It Just Words From Some Dead Guys....can You Pick Koran Up And Read It 50 Different Times And It Still Teach You Something New.....the Bible Is Gods Living Word

IM GOING TO ADD THIS TO WHAT I SAID EARLIER......"RELIGIONS" CAN CO-EXIST PEACEFULLY OR THEY CAN KILL ONE ANOTHER ......A PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH JESUS IS THE ONLY PEACEFUL EXISTANCE....ANY THING OTHER THAN THAT ONLY LEADS TO THE MOST UNPEACEFUL PLACE OF ALL...WHICH IS HELL.......


Posted by: perados

Peace everyone,


As a muslim, I think I need to clarify some concepts and ideas of islam:


(1)Jihad:
Jihad does not mean "holy war". It means stuggling or stiving. This can be:
-recognizing the Creator and loving Him most [9:23-24]
-resisting pressure of parents, peers and society [if these are in direct conflict with islamic values/law, e.g. "don't pray!", "lie for me!"]
-staying on the straight path steadfastly.
-striving for rigtheous deeds, e.g. striving to educate oneself, to passe exams, to be a good employee, to improve ones character, to be good and kind to people, to speak truth in front of an oppressive ruler etc. [Hadith:'Should I join the jihad?' He asked, 'Do you have parents?' The man said, 'Yes!' The Prophet(S) said, 'Then strive by serving them!'";"...the Mujahid (one who carries out jihad) is he who strives against himself for the sake of Allah, and the Muhajir is he who abandons evil deeds and sin." ]
-defending Muslims who are oppressed or attacked
-defending allied people who may not be muslim
etc.
No war is considered holy in Islam.
If you translate "holy war" into arabic, you would not find such a word in either the Koran or other sources of Islam [Hadith].
War is only allowed as a defensive war: when being attacked first or being oppressed. When the attacker stops fighting, the muslims are commanded to stop fighting, too.
Even if combat should become unavoidable, God imposed many restrictions during times of conflict:
-it is prohibited to kill, injure or harm civilians [men, women, children] in any way. Defensive military actions are allowed only against those individuals who initiated the military attack.
-it is prohibited to kill monks/nuns/rabbies
-it is prohibited to destroy any buildings in which God is worshipped, i.e. chirches, synagogues, mosques...
-it is prohibited to kill the cattle or destroy the livelihood [crops, water supply etc.] and houses of the civilian population.
-it is prohibited to destroy the environment.
-prisoners of war [PoW] are to be treated well [good food, clothing, accomodation etc.].
-bodies of killed enemy combatants in the possession of muslims should be returned to the family or state.
there is much more....

(2)God tells us in the Koran to pardon all, to speak kindly and be just to jews and christians, that forgiving is best, etc.


(3) some muslim responses to 9/11:

"Hijacking Planes, terrorizing innocent people and shedding blood constitute a form of injustice that can not be tolerated by Islam, which views them as gross crimes and sinful acts." Shaykh Abdul Aziz al-Ashaikh (Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia, 15/11/01)

"It is wrong to kill innocent people. It is also wrong to Praise those who kill innocent people." Mufti Nizamuddin Shamzai, Pakistan. 28/11/01)

In Iran, Tehran's main soccer stadium observed an unprecedented minute's silence in sympathy with the victims.

Candlelight vigils were held in Iran, the palestinian territories etc.

the website documents much much more examples.....http://groups.colgate.edu/aarislam/response.htm

Please note that many victims of 9/11 were muslim, too. 300+ , if i remember right.

(4) http://www.notesfrompalestine.net/
This website belongs to a guy who is half jewish and documenting the abuse of palestinian civilians in the occupied territories [OT]. He invited his jewish friend to stay with him for a while in the OT. First his friend was afraid, as he was jewish. They visited palestinian families....and talked, drank tea etc. His jewish friend was not killed or assaulted either physically or verbally. One man in the family became very interested in him [jewish friend] when he learned about his background. They talked about different topics...not arguments, bad looks etc. just conversation....


regards,
marianne