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VERY interesting list of articles on Prayer, Spiritual Warfare, Etc.

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Posted by: Praying For Restoration

http://www.libertysavard.com/difficult_main.html


Someone here at Anointed once mentioned going to a conference or workshop on breaking soul ties, and I wonder if it was a Liberty Savard workshop? Anyway, two people have recommended her book, Breaking Your Strongholds to me, so I finally got one and also checked out her website. I really enjoyed reading through her list of articles and found them to be very helpful. (I especially enjoyed, "Stop Shouting at the Devil!", "Soulish Prayers are Dangerous", and "Effective Spiritual Warfare".) Thought I'd pass them along in case anyone else would like to read them too.

Blessings,

Erika
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P.S. I got some notices that my PM box was full and just wanted to let you guys know that I cleared some out so I can receive them again.


Posted by: thornygrace

Thank you.

I tend to shout at that puny loser, good to read another point of view.


Posted by: Donna C

Thanks Erica,

I have a book called Honey I shrunk the Devil by Dianne Sloan. I like the devil shrinking 101 chapter!!

Donna


Posted by: Praying For Restoration

Senta, I'm glad you liked the articles. I found them to be realllllllly refreshing and helpful. Especially with the battle at hand I'm undergoing.

Donna, sounds like that chapter is similar? I love realizing over and over that he is not omniscient, omnipresent, and all those other omni's.


Posted by: thornygrace

I have read all of the articles on there and I really like them.

I struggle a bit with the concept that it is bad to have a soul tie to your spouse.

I know that no one can hurt me like my husband can hurt me. But isn't that typical in marriages?

I work around antagonism and with criminals who give little thougth at all to whether they are hurting others (or worse, enjoy hurting others as it gives them a feeling of power.) I have learned to keep an internal barrier up when working with those people. ("the people of the lie" as Scott Peck refers to them.) I call it my "shield" as it isn't really a wall because I have to get into their minds to figure out how to best reach them. However, I don't even allow myself to keep this "shield" up with family and friends.

It is one of the ways that I show myself that I am not working all the time and that I am not treating friends and family like I do the people I work with.

But to read her stuff it would seem that I need to have this shield up at all times with everyone.

I am positive that if I did, I would have less pain in life. But it doesn't feel natural to be on guard with everyone.

I found her book that addresses "soul ties" that she recommends in her articles for people suffering with marriage problems, especially seperation. I found it on Amazon. com. However, I can't buy any more books for a while. But the thought of buying that book has come to me several times.

The only thing is that I don't know that I want to break a "soul tie" to my husband. I may be hurting now and then (and yes, more now than ever) due to my connection with him, but on the other hand, my connection with him has been wonderful as well. Even now if I concentrate I can sense that I can feel him on some level. I do believe we have a soul tie.

Has anyone read this woman's work other than on her web site?


Posted by: Praying For Restoration

I'll have to go back and re-read that article, but I took a very different meaning from it. I think she doesn't mean you aren't to have soul ties or connections to your spouse, but is talking about destructive soul ties. She discusses a lot about the unsurrendered (to God) soul, that acts out of fleshly desires, old wounds, strongholds. An unhealthful soul tie would be one that comes out of those places of ourselves, instead of out of the surrendered and healed soul the Lord intends for us to all have.

I'm currently reading her book, Shattering Your Strongholds.


Posted by: czynka

Just seen your post Erika, and i'm going to read these links as soon as i can. Thankyou for posting them.....
Love you sis
xxxx


Posted by: thornygrace

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Originally Posted by Praying For Restoration
I'll have to go back and re-read that article, but I took a very different meaning from it. I think she doesn't mean you aren't to have soul ties or connections to your spouse, but is talking about destructive soul ties. She discusses a lot about the unsurrendered (to God) soul, that acts out of fleshly desires, old wounds, strongholds. An unhealthful soul tie would be one that comes out of those places of ourselves, instead of out of the surrendered and healed soul the Lord intends for us to all have.

I'm currently reading her book, Shattering Your Strongholds.


I did a search about "soul ties" on line and found a few other websites that cover it.

One of them addressed the issue of soul ties with spouses and family members and from those articles, and the biblical references, I just bet she didn't mean no soul ties, only the bad ones. I think the problem is reading only waht she had in that prely that reply was to a woman who had been in a bad marriage and was seperated for seven years. The woman had clearly given a lot more detail than was published and I'll bet she (Liberty) was addressing the fact that there was a negative soul tie at issue here.
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Let's start by considering the definition of a soul tie: "A soul tie is the joining or knitting together of the bonds of a relationship. Godly soul ties occur when like-minded believers are together in the Lord: friends, marriage partners, believers to pastors, etc.

MARRIAGE SOUL TIES The first m ention of a "soul tie" in the Word is found early in Genesis: "So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man's ribs and closed up the place with flesh. Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.

The man said, "This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; because she was taken out of man, she shall be called `woman'. For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and cleave unto his wife, and they will become one flesh."

SYMPTOMS OF UNGODLY SOUL TIES · Obsessive preoccupation with another, to the neglect of the things of the Lord.

Tendencies to be domineering and controlling in a relationship.

Tendencies to be passive and apathetic in a relationship (easily manipulated) Inability to truly forgive from the heart. ·

Another person's voice playing over and over in the mind like a tape-recorder.

Inability to bring a relationship under the godly order and control of the Holy Spirit.

Patterns of anger, blame and accusations in a relationship.

Fear of "being real with" or speaking truth to another (intimidation and fear of man). Psychic or occult phenomena within a relationship.


I can't find the web site that this quote is from. I cut and pasted it into a word document so I could read it off line but forgot to put the author's name even.


Anyway, I really like what this woman is saying. And I agree that I misunderstood what she meant by soul ties to a degree. I do think however, that the sense that I need a "shield" when dealing with some of the people I have to deal with in my work is still a good idea. Soul ties can be from acquantances as well as family and friends.

But the stuff she said about not yelling at s. was also great too. I like her point of view.


Posted by: Praying For Restoration

That was a great quote, thornygrace. If you ever find the reference I'd love to check that site out.

I can totally see that you'd need a shield (both spiritual and that whole professional demeanor thing of counselors) at work.

I'm thinking about the "soul ties" I have with my husband, and it is kind of a confusing tangle to consider the ones that are healthy and the ones that are from an "unsurrendered soul" kind of a thing. The desire I have for reconciliation I think is a healthy one, placed there by God, but possibly started out with more of the unhealthy connections. I know that the world, the legal system, and even much of the church, thinks I'm CRAZY to want this marriage restored. None of it makes sense from that viewpoint, but I have this solid knowledge that God hates divorce, that he loves reconciliation and restoration, that marriage is his example of his relationship with us.

Hmmmm . . . more to think about . . .