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Romans 7:14
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Posted by: Frederik
This sounds like Paul still sinned, doesn't it?
14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Posted by: GoldGrace24-7
Dear friends, forcus your mind and your heart in Jesus Christ our Lord, and the presence of God will keep you out of sin.
Praise and worship, sing the chrisitian songs, begin my every morning, and it brings the presence of God in my place, yesterday I have a anointing day, the power of God is so strong, he changed me, change my thought, and my heart, I know it is the Lord, and he talk with me, he is so close to me.........
Praise the Lord!
Praise, O servant of the Lord,
Praise the Name of the Lord!!!
Jesus, his name means "Savior" Jesus is our Savior!
Christ, means"anointed one"
His name is "Emmanuel" he is with us !!!
I got a final conclusion recently, human thoughts certainly can not complete the work of God, we don't have this power to conquer the enemy on our own , I set my heart on HIM, and seek His presence with my whole heart.
Praise the Lord alway, Praise the Lord!!!
Grace Bless you all!!!!
Posted by: jedijeb
Paul is telling us that even with OUR best attempts we cannot keep ourselves from sin, only GOD can keep us from sin. We may desire to do good and even try our best, but if we don't turn to Jesus and let Him work through us we will fail, no matter how much we hate sin and want to keep it out of our lives. It does not however excuse us from sin, it only reminds us just how terrible sin is and how glorious God is for loving us even when we hated Him. Even when we don't want to do them, we do the very things which God detests, yet He loves us with a love so great that He is still seeking us to turn to Him and repent and be close to Him.
Posted by: Frederik
But supposing Jesus only died for the sins from out past means that as soon as we commit one sin we are heading for hell and no longer God's children and when we repent we are God's children again.This doesn't make much sense to me and supposing one sin can make us go to hell then we can never have security and I dare to say that a large part of the born again christians will not even make it to heaven and you're basically lucky when you die without having sinned before.I mean why do we even warn people when going to heaven is like playing in the lottery? Even if I convince somebody and he gives his life to Jesus then he still cannot be sure of really going to heaven. I don't know but if this is true then life becomes unbearable.I thought we are saved by grace.Where is the grace when it really is like this and we can go to hell because of 1 sin? I don't understand that.
Posted by: GoldGrace24-7
I don't understand neither, I'm not a better christian than you, someone told me when we believe in Jesus, he take away all our sins immediately, and he see us perfect, it is " once saved, forever saved"
God see us through Jesus Christ, his blood cover us all our sins, yesterday, today, even tommorrow.
When we get to heaven, still have to face the final judgement on the last day, The Church will be judged first, for our good works, will we get the crown of life? and his praises?
I believe, if we don't deny Jesus , if we repent, God will forgive us our sins, and we will make it to heaven.
bless you, brother !!!! 
Grace 
Posted by: GA5966
Rom 3:21-26
But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference;23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed,26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
NKJV
1 John 1:5-10
This is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all.6 If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth.7 But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
NKJV
Posted by: GoldGrace24-7
The Word of God enlightn me, and touch me so much!!!
Thank you GA!!!!! this is GREAT !!!!The Word of God is so powerful!!!!
O Lord, how much you love me and others, we thank you !!!! would you make us be faithful and loyalty to you untill you come back?!
Can you forgive me sometimes not so sweet to some people, give me a gentle heart, that I may reflect your charactor, change my heart, Lord!!!
I just want to be like YOU!!!! 
Jesus Christ, my SAVIOR!
Blessings!!
Grace
Posted by: Frederik
I really don't know what to think anymore.
There are verses in the bible which sound like all you gotta do is believe in Jesus and then you are saved and there are also scary verses which sound like believing is not enough. All I know is that I am really scared and don't even know what to think of God anymore, I mean I wanna follow his rules but I don't just want to follow them out of fear cause as soon as I sin I'm on my way to hell, this isn't a good thing.I mean I thought God loves us, we are his children. But how does this fit together with sinning and then losing your salvation? This would mean that every time you sin you lose it and then regain it by confessing and this means that your whole salvation is totally unstable and you can lose it anytime.If our salvation is so much based on confession then what did Jesus die for? I thought he settled this once and for all time, making us holy and justifying us.How can I be a holy child of God one second and then I fall and sin and the next second I am on my way to hell? I don't understand this.I tell you I'm so scared I pray for forgiveness every few minutes. I mean today I saw a woman and looked at her and she looked good and then I thought "did I already sin by simply looking at her and thinking that she looks good?" and I couldn't tell and then I prayed in my mind simply to be safe.Often I cannot even tell wether this was a sin or not.When you do really bad things which are obvious then you feel guilty and also feel conviction but in most cases I cannot really tell wether this is a sin or not.
Posted by: Frederik
And another thing is that when you're trying to not think anything sinful then you're most likely to think exactly this! When you look at a woman and think "oh my, I must not think anything sinful, I must not think anything sinful" then you'll most likely think just that. The fear does this. But on the other hand when you're not scared you don't think anything sinful, I mean you can look at a woman and think that she looks good without thinking anything sexual.But then there remains the question wether looking at a woman is allowed or wether this is already sinful.Imagine you look at a woman and then think "she's really in good shape I bet she works out" is this already sinful or is this only a conclusion? I'm not sure. 
Posted by: GoldGrace24-7
Love God with all our heart, with all our soul, with all our mind, with all our strengh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Submit yourself to God, put HIM first in your life, you will surely find the answer!!!!!! 
Praise the Lord!
If we died for HIM, we will find Life!!!
Blessings!! to you!!!
Grace
Posted by: GA5966
Matt 5:28
28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
KJV
Notice the word lust.
LUST
Desire for what is forbidden; an obsessive sexual craving. Although there are legitimate desires for which God makes provision (Deut 12:15,20-21), lust refers to the desire for things that are contrary to the will of God. The "lust after evil things" (1 Cor 10:6) of the Israelites in the wilderness serves as an example of the lusts that should be avoided by Christians.
Christians are able to resist lust through the power of the Holy Spirit. The flesh, with its passions and lusts, is to be crucified (Gal 5:24; Titus 2:12).
(from Nelson's Illustrated Bible Dictionary, Copyright (c)1986, Thomas Nelson Publishers)
Posted by: koppen
Sometimes connected with the freedom in Christ message is Rom. 7:14-20:
We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do -- this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it (NIV).
Some have erroneously alluded to this passage by saying it's normal Christian living and the like:
Paul is speaking of of [sic] the normal Christian life.
The experience described in Rom. 7:14-25 is that of every genuine Christian.
Applying this Roman's passage to Paul, Gromacki and MacArthur respectively wrote:
Paul said that he was "sold under sin" (Ro 7:14). Sin owned and controlled him; he was its slave.
Romans 7 is the classic text describing the believer's struggle with his sinful flesh. Note that while Paul acknowledged his own disobedience ....
Remember this, we should always compare Scripture with Scripture when studying the Bible. If this is done, it will become apparent that Paul didn't keep on doing (Rom. 7:19) sinful things, as he frequently taught against; neither was he unspiritual (v. 14). Let's journey around the New Testament to learn more about Rom. 7:14-20.
Was Paul A Hypocrite Or Holy?
Please consider what Paul wrote about himself in his first epistle to the Corinthians:
He [Timothy] will remind you of my way of life in Christ Jesus, which agrees with what I teach everywhere in every church (1 Cor. 4:17, NIV).
Paul's way of life (or behavior) agreed with what he taught all the churches. So what did Paul teach Christians about behavior? Among other things, he taught:
But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God's holy people. Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving (Eph. 5:3,4, NIV).
Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry. Because of these, the wrath of God is coming. You used to walk in these ways, in the life you once lived. But now you must rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips. Do not lie to each other, since you have taken off your old self with its practices (Col. 3:5-9, NIV).
It is God's will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality; that each of you should learn to control his own body in a way that is holy and honorable, not in passionate lust like the heathen, who do not know God; and that in this matter no one should wrong his brother or take advantage of him. The Lord will punish men for all such sins, as we have already told you and warned you. For God did not call us to be impure, but to live a holy life. Therefore, he who rejects this instruction does not reject man but God, who gives you his Holy Spirit (1 Thess. 4:3-8, NIV).
Paul's personal behavior conformed to these passages, according to 1 Cor. 4:17. What else did Paul say about his own behavior?
Whatever you have learned or received or heard from me, or seen in me -- put it into practice. And the God of peace will be with you (Phil. 4:9, NIV).
Ponder that statement! If the Philippian Christians would put into practice what they had heard and seen in Paul as exemplary, the God of peace would be with them. Could Paul have been that kind of example if he was controlled by sin?
Lightner wrote:
Paul, for example, often did what he didn't want to do (Rom. 7:15).
In contrast, Paul declared explicitly how he and his co-laborers behaved:
You are witnesses, and so is God, of how holy, righteous and blameless we were among you who believed (1 Thess. 2:10, NIV).
What a refutation Paul's actual life was to the OSAS interpretation of Rom. 7:14-20.
The Scriptures add to all of this by saying that Paul:
never used flattery nor put on a mask to cover up greed (1 Thess. 2:5);
put no stumbling block in anyone's path (2 Cor. 6:3);
was pure, patient, kind, had sincere love, truthful speech, etc. (2 Cor. 6:6,7);
had only one goal and that was to please God (2 Cor. 5:9); feared God (2 Cor. 5:11);
risked his life for the name of the Lord Jesus (Acts 15:26);
his life meant nothing to him only to finish the race and complete the task that the Lord Jesus gave him (Acts 20:24);
fulfilled his duty to God in all good conscience (Acts 23:1);
when he was cursed he blessed, when persecuted he endured it, when slandered he answered kindly (1 Cor. 4:12,13);
ran his race to win first prize (1 Cor. 9:24);
did not seek his own good but the good of others for their salvation's sake (1 Cor. 10:24,32); etc.
In another concise summary of his own life, Paul said that he conducted himself in the holiness and sincerity that are from God:
Now this is our boast: Our conscience testifies that we have conducted ourselves in the world, and especially in our relations with you, in the holiness and sincerity that are from God. We have done so not according to worldly wisdom but according to God's grace (2 Cor. 1:12, NIV).
Is it possible for Paul's words, I am unspiritual sold as a slave to sin (Rom. 7:14), to refer to himself in light of all of these passages about his own behavior? Never!
Besides Paul's holy and zealous lifestyle, we know the OSAS interpretation of Rom. 7:14-20 is wrong in yet another way! Let's focus our attention in upon verses 18 and 19:
... For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do -- this I keep on doing (Rom. 7:18,19, NIV).
In other words, the spiritual power is missing to live a holy life free from sin's bondage, according to those verses. Is it possible that Paul is speaking of himself or the normal Christian life by writing such? If so, then how did Paul live such a consistently holy life?
Paul elaborates on the Christian's freedom from sin:
And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness (Rom. 6:18, NKJV).
Before salvation, however, a person is powerless:
You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly (Rom. 5:6, NIV).
An unsaved person is without spiritual power, being under the control of his sinful nature (Rom. 7:5) and the evil one (1 Jn. 5:19), but after salvation, one is freed from the power of Satan (Acts 26:18) and sin (Rom. 6:18; Jn. 8:36) to live a holy life (2 Tim. 1:9).
Furthermore, if we focus our attention in upon Rom. 7:18, we clearly see that Paul wrote in that passage that nothing good lives in me. Could Paul have written that from his own Christian perspective?
Isn't it true that God lives in all Christians (2 Cor. 6:16) and God is good (Mk. 10:18)? Since that is true, and Paul was a Christian when he wrote his epistles, then it is impossible for Paul to have written nothing good lives in me from the perspective of a Christian!
What then was Paul referring to when he used the singular pronouns I and me in Rom. 7:14-20?
Rom. 7:17 clearly shows the sinful nature is the I and me that Paul wrote of:
I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out (Rom. 7:18 NIV).
In other words, the sinful nature is personified in Rom. 7:14-20 just like wisdom is in Proverbs 8! So, Paul was not writing of himself or the normal Christian life, but of the sinful nature in this much-disputed passage.
Finally, how could Paul have stated, "I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith" (2 Tim. 4:7) at the very end of his life, if he was owned and controlled by sin? Since the Christian battle, in part, is against sin (Heb. 12:4), Paul fought this fight against sin also in his own life and came out as an overcomer.
Christ's Slave
The Christian is free, but at the same time, he is Christ's slave (1 Cor. 7:22) and a slave to righteousness (Rom. 6:18)! As freed people, we are to be living for Jesus and his cause (2 Cor. 5:15). In fact, service to God is an immediate responsibility after turning from our idols that kept us in spiritual darkness and death (1 Thess. 1:9 cf. Jonah 2:8).
With these verses in mind, how could the real freedom in Christ message, coupled with the true grace message, added to the proper interpretation of Romans 7, dismiss lukewarm, unholy, worldly, entertainment-seeking, amusement-seeking, pleasure-seeking "servants" who have very little or no fear of God as normal?
Posted by: Ruth Terech
I don't really struggle with these problems, the bible is a great book for us to follow, and I do believe it is alive with the spirit, but my personnal relationship with my maker, lets me know about his great love for me. I trust my maker, to do the right thing with my life. I ask him for the wisdom of his writings and his teachings. The Great Book was written along time ago, and no two people read it and understand it the same way. Realize God
is in you, let him be your spiritual guide. Try to patient and trust the God in you to get you to heaven. This has helped me thro this life, and I put the worry of being prefect behind me. I am only human. He still lets me know I am loved each and everyday, by my children, my health, and well being.
Thank You Sweet Jesus!!!!