19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
What does this mean? What if a christian does one of these things will he go to hell because of this even though he had faith? I don't get this. A few verses before Paul was talking about faith and that only faith makes us just and then he comes up with this. I mean even a christian can do these sins, does this mean he directly goes to hell?
I get the impression that Paul thinks that as a real christian you will impossibly do something like this cause you walk in the spirit and your flesh is dead. But this scares me cause I still have desires, does this mean I did something wrong and my flesh is not crucified?
Posted by: ANOINTED WARRIOR
Jesus open fredricks spiritual eyes only you can do it..
Posted by: pickone
Doing what God directs you to do.
Posted by: Frederik
Okay.
But when I read Galatians I get the impression that Paul thinks that you don't have any desires anymore once you're a christian and this isn't correct.
Posted by: StarChilde
Crucifying the flesh isn't so much to do with NOT having desires and passions, but rather to NOT give in to these when they tempt us.
Here is what Gill commentary has to say about part of vs. 19, maybe it will help better explain.
Gal 5:19 - Now the works of the flesh are manifest,.... By "flesh" is meant corrupt nature, as before, and by the works of it, not only external acts of sin, but inward lusts; for such are here mentioned among its works, as "hatred", "wrath", "envyings", &c. and both external and internal acts are so called, because they spring from the flesh, or corrupt nature, and are what that urges and solicits to, and are wrought thereby, and are what denominate and show men to be carnal: these are said to be "manifest"; not that they are all, and always publicly done, and are open to the sight of men; for they are works of darkness, and often done in secret, though they are always manifest to God the searcher of hearts, and will be brought to light in the day of judgment; but they are known to be sins in some measure by the light of nature, and especially by the law of God; and a clear case it is, that they are contrary to the Spirit, both to the Spirit of God, and to the principle of grace he forms in the heart; and that such who live in the commission of them are not led by him, nor are under the influence of his grace:
Posted by: Frederik
But every christian falls and gives in at least sometimes even when your flesh is crucified.
Posted by: StarChilde
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frederik
But every christian falls and gives in at least sometimes even when your flesh is crucified.
There is NONE that does not sin, except Jesus. Everyone sins somehow, someway...it is part of human nature. This is where forgiveness comes in. Of course one has to confess the sin as sin, and ask forgiveness of it...that is my understanding of it anyhow.
Fasting is one way of denying the flesh nature. Fasting is not just about going without certain foods, it can also be about denying oneself when desires come up that are contrary to what God wants us to be.
Posted by: Frederik
But when the bible says adulters will not enter heaven, what does it mean?
I mean it cannot mean that a christian who did this once can impossibly enter heaven.
Posted by: GA5966
I will give you a parable to help you with this one. First no, a person who is saved and commited adultery at one time and repented and never did it again will be forgiven.
A certain man was given to adultery he ask his wife and God to forgive him and stopped for awhile but decided he could do it openly and in front of his wife and children and not be condemened but if he continue in sin and denies his sin and doesn't repent and turn from the sin then he is an adulter and will go to hell. Notice I said would not repent and stop. Also understand this man loves his sin more than his God.
Posted by: Frederik
I agree with you.
Posted by: koppen
"Walk in the Spirits and ye shall not fulfill the lust
of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirits and the
Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the
other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would". (Gal.5:
16 & 17). First, we must understand what is this "flesh"? The
Greek word for flesh and its meaning(s) are as follows: Sarx, by
implication human nature with it's frailties (phys. or mor.)
and passions or spec. a human being(as such)-carnal(-ly + -ly
minded), flesh[-ly]. Derived from the Greek meaning, "flesh"
is our natural man, our sin nature, and fallibleness. The Apostle
Paul, writes in depth on this subject. Unfortunately, the Church
today is "caught in grace", what I mean is this, grace is a
beautiful gift from God which grants eternal life for all who be-
lieve in Jesus Christ as the Son of the living God, who came to
earth in the flesh, as the ultimate sacrifice for the sins of man
(Hebrews 9:1-28). But, the Church has seemingly set aside our
duty as Christians, disregarding our imperative obligation to be
conformed unto Christ(Romans Q;29). As Christians we must realize
that it is our duty to change our bad habits to good habits,
it is our duty to reprioritize our lives, as to place God first.
In Romans 6, Paul is implying our duty to be Christ-like. He
is writing that our "old man is crucified with him(Christ)", and
this is very true, in simplified words, Paul is slating that our
old life has passed away and we have entered a whole new realm of
lifestyle. As in Ephesians, Paul writes, "If so be that ye have
heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:
That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man,
which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; And be renewed
in the spirit of your mind; And that ye put on the new man, which
after God is created in righteousness and true holiness". (4:21-24)
The key verse in Romans 6 is verse 7, "For he that is dead is
freed from sin". This means we are no longer condemned by our sins,
for the shed blood of Jesus has cleansed us from our old ways and
granted us justification from our sin debt. Consequently, we are
instructed to live a new life, which can be beautiful as we live
in subjection to God's will, obedience will reap joy! Paul writes
in I Corinthians 9:26-27, "I therefore run, not as uncertainly; so
fight I, not as one that beateth the air: But I keep under my body
and bring it into subjection;..". Paul realized that while serving
the Lord, he will experience a battle between his flesh and his
spirit, that is why the Holy Spirit inspired Paul to write so much
scripture based upon our necessity to "fight the good fight of
faith" (I Tim. 6:12). Daily we all must realize that Satan will by
all means do all he can to set stumbling blocks in our way of vic-
tory in Jesus. Yes, we surly do have victory in Jesus, but that
does not mean there is no battle. Our flesh is very real, and
Satan will do all He can to feed into our fleshly lusts, whether
our weakness is covetousness, lying, pornography, hate, or a mul-
titude of other sins. Yes, our old man is crucified with Christ,
but that does not mean our flesh dies, that is our duty. The Holy
Spirit will strengthen us in this battle, but we must be submissive.
I Peter 2:11 reads, "Dearly beloved, I beseech you as stran-
gers and pilgrims' abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against
the soul". Continuing in chapter 4:1-2, Paul writes, "Forasmuch
then as Christ suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves like-
wise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh
hath ceased from sin; That he no longer should live the rest of
his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God".
Notice the word "should", that is our duty, we SHOULD live in
the will of God, we SHOULD learn of God's will in the Bible, we
SHOULD fashion ourselves to be Christ-like, we MUST do these things
in order to fully glorify God with our daily lifestyle. God will
most assuredly grant us the strength to do so, but it is impera-
tive that we be willing and persistently put our flesh under sub-
jection to the Spirit of God, which abides within us. Romans 6:6,
" Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the
body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve
sin". Let us forever be aware that we go through a daily battle to
be conformed unto Christ Jesus and to separate ourselves from the
sinful ways of this world, it is our duty to serve God and present
ourselves a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable unto God, which
is our expected service (Rom. 12:1).
In conclusion Romans 14:7-6,
" For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we
die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the
Lord's". This is our duty, to crucify the flesh daily, and live in
full subjection to the will of God and not our own. Next time you
feel hate towards someone, next time you envy someone else’s pos-
sesions, next time you begin to doubt in God's provision, next
time you deny the direction of the Holy Spirit, rebuke Satan in
Jesus' name, for it is your wicked flesh on the rise to supercede
the will of God. "This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall
not fulfill the lust of the flesh" (Gal. 5;16). Glory to God!!!!!
