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Do you pray to our Mother Mary an the Saints?
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Posted by: awesome16

Ok so this makes me VERY sad to know some people dont pray to them. Dont you guys know Mary was a virgin. An you know none of us came have a baby without having sex. Mary was Jesus's mother as well as ours. She prays for us sinners. An so the Saints may be dead like their body but they still pray for us an we need them to help us. Yes they were sinners as we are BUT after Jesus forgave them they sinned no more. An gave their lives to Jesus. An prayed for us sinners. If you guys dont believe in Saints then do you guys pray the Apostles Creed? Do you know some Saints died for their faith? It makes me very sad to think people think nothing but then again look at what people did to Jesus an if they did it to him then they will do it to others who follow him. I will pray for all on this board.

Posted by: Shadow

I only pray to God, the trinity.

I have a great respect for Mary and the saints, and I read about them and watch things about them all the time on Discovery Channel.

But they are not gods, and there is but one true God to pray to and He is named God, not Peter, Paul, or Mary.

Sorry, kid.

That's the way it is.

"Thou shalt have no other gods before me..."=one of the ten commandments.

Posted by: ANOINTED WARRIOR

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Originally Posted by awesome16

Ok so this makes me VERY sad to know some people dont pray to them. Dont you guys know Mary was a virgin. An you know none of us came have a baby without having sex. Mary was Jesus's mother as well as ours. She prays for us sinners. An so the Saints may be dead like their body but they still pray for us an we need them to help us. Yes they were sinners as we are BUT after Jesus forgave them they sinned no more. An gave their lives to Jesus. An prayed for us sinners. If you guys dont believe in Saints then do you guys pray the Apostles Creed? Do you know some Saints died for their faith? It makes me very sad to think people think nothing but then again look at what people did to Jesus an if they did it to him then they will do it to others who follow him. I will pray for all on this board.

Hi awesome I just asked Jesus to help me with this one as to not offend anyone..

If Jesus were walking on this earth right now in whom would he pray or talk too would it not be his father in heaven? Why sure it would, Jesus would be right now asking the father what to do and watching what he is doing in the spirit and then he proceeds to do what he saw the father doing... You see Jesus was looking to the source of life in prayer and recieveing all he had from him which included the anointing, character of God and everything he ever needed..

Now what should we be doing? We should be doing exactly as Jesus did looking to the father for answers and watching him in the spirit and then do what we see him doing and then release it into peoples lives... Jesus was and is are example in how to walk and live this life on earth and in eternity in bringing all Glory to God the father in heaven alone as he always did.. In everything he did he was sure to give glory to God in heaven for this pleases the father when we do so as well..

God Bless

John 5
19 Jesus gave them this answer: "I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.

John 14
12 I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.

Posted by: awesome16

I am NOT saying they are Gods becuase I know that they are not. An I guess the diffenece here is that maybe becuase I am a Catholic. An I believe in God the Fther almighty, creator of heaven an earth; and in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord; who was concevied by the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary; suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died an was burried. He descended into hell; the third day He arose again from the dead. He ascended into heaven, an is seated at the right hand of God the Fther almighty; from thence He shall come to judge the living and the dead. I believe in the Holy Spirit; the Holy Catholic Church, the Communion of Saints; the forgiveness of sins; the resurrection of the body; and life everlasting. Amen.
We do not praise the Saints or Our Mother but we do pray to them.

Posted by: StarChilde

Because Jesus Christ was the ONLY ONE who was sinless in His life, He is the ONLY ONE who can go to God on our behalf.

Posted by: akabezalel

Amen Chirs!

Awesome, I could give you a historical brief on where the figure of Mary came from other than the Mary who was the Mother of Jesus, but you would not hear me and you can look it up for yourself.

What I will tell you is that Jesus die so that we could come freely to the Throne Room of the Father and personally lay our petitions at His feet! We do not need intermediaries to approach the Father all we need is Salvation and a heart cleaned by repentance, the washing of the Water of the Word, covered by the Blood of the Lamb and Anointed by the Spirit of God!

As we walk in the Salvation Jesus provided and wear the robes of God's righteousness we can approach the Throne and ask.

We do not need any others, just Jesus.

He is in intercession for us all and it is His intercession alone that reaches the Father for us... nothing and no one else.

Holy Spirit open Awesomes eyes to see Your truth and give her understanding beyond her teaching so that she can see the love and Face of God for herself. AMEN!

Posted by: ANOINTED WARRIOR

Since we now take Jesus as are example in how to pray, we can now take this a little further. Now lets ask are self did Jesus pray to saints or mary? The answer is no he didn't pray to the saints or mary for he had no desire to for they do not hold the keys to life or the anointing in his life so he sought the father on behalf of the anointing in his life and for the things he was to do on the earth in the plans for his life as well in heaven..

Let us not lean to are own understanding but in all are ways acknowledge him just as it says in proverbs 3:5

This way we will be in the will and anointing God has placed in are life by following the example Jesus has already set for us to follow and also is right now in are personal time of prayer in setting an example in how to live and pray as we seek his face daily in prayer.

God Bless

1 Chronicles 16
11 Look to the LORD and his strength;
seek his face always.

Posted by: awesome16

well I am catholic an I believe what I believe an what my church teachs me an I dont really care what you all try to tell me. An I am not tryign to get you to Mary or the Saints for I cant tell you what to do nor can you tell me what to do. bOTH WAYS WE ARE NOT GONNA STOP DOING WHAT WE HAVE BEEN BECAUSE SOMEONE TOLD YOU TO ONLINE. I believe in praying to them an so does my church an my friends so be it that you guys dont well it dont really matter to me. An I am gonna keep on praying to them as well as to Jesus. thank you all very much God bless

Posted by: ANOINTED WARRIOR

Matthew 16

24Then Jesus said to his disciples, "If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. 25For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me will find it. 26What good will it be for a man if he gains the whole world, yet forfeits his soul? Or what can a man give in exchange for his soul? 27For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father's glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what he has done.

Now that we know Jesus is the example in how to pray, what are we to do now well lets take a look in matthew 16:24 it says Then Jesus said to his disciples, "If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.

(To note I only speak in love and humility and ask that all who respond do the same God Bless)

Ok we read we are to daily take up are cross which is walking in his will and not yielding to the flesh and its ways but instead are to walk according to his ways in the spirit and yield to the Holy Spirit.. Then we are to follow him in all we do no one else not even church for then and only then are we doing as he would have us do and not what others want to do.. Jesus came to disrupt and destroy religiosity for he is the way the truth and the life.. And he came to create friends both here and now on this earth for those who will recieve them into there hearts as friend and saviour.. He is a very personal loving awesome friend in whom is alive and can talk and chat to you daily about anything and he will listen right in front of you not far away in some galaxy.. Jesus came to set people free from bondage and to bring them into relationship with him alone so he can show you things and speak to you revelation about himself and all that goes on in life...

So in finality are we seeking the true living mightly anointed Jesus that is right in front of you now that wants to love on you, or are we seeking a false misconception conjured up by are own religious thinking instead of yielding to the Holy Spirit in showing us the truth in his word... To put it plain and simple if Jesus didnt do it....dont do it, follow him always in what he did do and his anointing will begin to flow in your life... ((hugs)) to all (side note: There is a difference in believeing and knowing Jesus personally, do we know just about Jesus and what he did or do we know him personally as are friend and saviour)

Posted by: JC's girl

Hi, this is a very touchy subject. God's Word says that he who calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. It does not say he who calls upon the name of Mary, Peter, James, etc. There is only one way to God and that is through His Son, Jesus Christ. Mary cannot save you, nor can any of the other saints. The only way to be saved is by confessing with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believing in your heart that God raised him from the dead. Salvation is not to be taken lightly. We cannot proclaim salvation and still follow the ways of the world. We must have a sincere heart towards God and live in obedience to Him the best we can each day.

I grew up reciting the Apostle's Creed in church. I discovered that it is in err because Jesus did not decend into hell. He decended to Abraham's bossom. Also, some translations say, "I believe in the Holy Christian Church" rather than Catholic Church. Either way, it really doesn't matter what church it is. When we get to Heaven, there will be one church, one body of believers, and it won't matter what church we were associated with here on earth. That won't keep us out of Heaven.

Jesus came to seek and save the lost. Our mission is to share the gospel with others and to pray for their salvation. One day, all the saints will join hands in Heaven and dance for Jesus.

What an awesome experience that will be!

That's my sermon, and I am sticking to it!

JC's girl

Posted by: ANOINTED WARRIOR

Hi awesome I found this and it can help you and all of us if we do this daily in are prayer life, you can print this out if you want God Bless.. just trying to help ..

A BALANCED PRAYER LIFE

PURPOSE

The purpose of this study is to help us develop a more balanced prayer life.

OPENER

How is your prayer life?

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LESSON

WHILE WE ARE ENGAGED IN PRAYER, WE SHOULD SPEND SOME TIME IN DIFFERENT SPIRITUAL CATEGORIES. HERE ARE FOUR CATEGORIES THAT SHOULD ACCOMPANY OUR PRAYERS.

1. FIRST, WE SHOULD OFFER GOD ADORATION IN OUR PRAYERS.

In (Matthew 6:9), how does Jesus begin His prayer?

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Jesus began His prayer not only by addressing His father but also by offering adoration. By using the word "hallowed," Jesus was expressing God's holiness.

How do we express adoration?

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Through worship, song, thanksgiving, and praise (Psalm 100:2-4).

What benefits come to us from praising God in prayer?

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When we spend several minutes praising God in prayer, our hearts begin to soften, and we experience peace and comfort. We can begin to experience the presence of God in our lives.

2. SECOND, WE SHOULD OFFER CONFESSION IN OUR PRAYERS.

What does God promise that He will do when we confess our sins (1 John 1:9)?

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When we confess our sins, God forgives us of our sins. We experience the freedom of forgiveness. The guilt of our sins is wiped away.

3. THIRD, WE SHOULD OFFER THANKSGIVING IN OUR PRAYERS (1 THESSALONIANS 5:18).

What are some things that we should thank God for?

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We should thank God for our salvation, our families, our material and spiritual blessings, our answered prayers, our health, our church families and much more.

In (Luke 17:11-19), why was Jesus disappointed with the nine lepers?

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Jesus was disappointed with the nine lepers because they did not bother to thank Him for their healing. Thanksgiving is important to the Lord and we should offer Him as much thanksgiving as we can.

4. FOURTH, WE SHOULD OFFER SUPPLICATION IN OUR PRAYERS (PHILIPPIANS 4:6).

After adoring God, confessing our sins, and thanking Him for His blessings, we are in the right frame of mind to ask God for what we need. What are some specific examples of requests we can bring to God in prayer?

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We can ask God for His grace and forgiveness, good health, safety for our families, lost souls, and many other things.

CONCLUSION:

1. Once we develop a balanced prayer, we will enjoy our prayer life.

2. Here are four spiritual categories that should accompany our prayers:

a. Adoration.

b. Confession.

c. Thanksgiving.

d. Supplication.

3. Let's have the best prayer life that we can possible have.

Posted by: Frederik

lol, mother Mary.
Mary is not my mother.
We shall pray to the Father and nobody else. Mary doesn't grant your prayers and all the "saints" also cannot help you.This is unbiblical, but this is not the only unbibilical thing which comes from the catholic church...
You know what makes me sad???
When the saints in the churches are bigger than Jesus on the cross. There are giant figures of saints and Mary and then there is the small Jesus on the cross in the background this makes me sad! Mary was a virgin but she got children after Jesus and she is not holy and she does not pray for us!
Holy moly! Jesus is the one who prays for us! Do you not read the bible??
Jesus is the highpriest and nobody else.

Posted by: ANOINTED WARRIOR

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Originally Posted by Frederik

lol, mother Mary.
Mary is not my mother.
We shall pray to the Father and nobody else. Mary doesn't grant your prayers and all the "saints" also cannot help you.This is unbiblical, but this is not the only unbibilical thing which comes from the catholic church...
You know what makes me sad???
When the saints in the churches are bigger than Jesus on the cross. There are giant figures of saints and Mary and then there is the small Jesus on the cross in the background this makes me sad! Mary was a virgin but she got children after Jesus and she is not holy and she does not pray for us!
Holy moly! Jesus is the one who prays for us! Do you not read the bible??
Jesus is the highpriest and nobody else.

Fredrick lets be a little more compassionate I know where your coming from, but some of those who have been catholic lived this lifestyle most of there lives and dont know of any other way to walk with Jesus and know him personally, they will though if they open there hearts to Jesus and ask him to come into there hearts as savior and Lord then follow him and his ways alone and no one else's.. God Bless love yu fred.. She really does want to know the truth thats why she is asking .. Jesus alone draws a man or woman unto himself through his spirit of conviction and whooing hand of love to there very being ..

Posted by: Frederik

You're right. This stuff simply upsets me. I cannot stand it when Jesus is treated this way. He doesn't deserve this.

Posted by: jesusluvsdeaf

John 14:6Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
This says it all. No one can come to the Father through Mary or anone or anything except through Jesus Christ. Satan is just trying to use the good people in the like Mary Bible to lead them astray in any way he can. Jesus died and shed His blood for and not Mary or anyone. All of these people were sinners, but not Jesus. Only the blood of Jesus was perfect, Holy and sinless, not Mary or any others. Salvation comes by Jesus and He is the only name we are to pray to. You will not find one single scripture that says to pray to Mary or any other man or woman in the Holy Bible.

Posted by: ANOINTED WARRIOR

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Originally Posted by jesusluvsdeaf

Jesus died and shed His blood for and not Mary or anyone.

I think I know where your coming from but to make sure here are some scriptures God Bless..

Romans 5:8
"But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us." (NIV)

John 3

16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

John 15:13
“Greater love has no one than this, that one lay down his life for his friends.”

2 Corinthians 5
21 God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

Posted by: StarChilde

Mary gives ONE command/request in the Bible:
Joh 2:5 His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it.

The HE saith, refers to Jesus, not to a church,not to a denomination,not to a priest,a pastor,a saint, another Christian,not to Mary.Mary said to LISTEN TO JESUS... and He said...
Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
And if anyone's teachings,preachings,doctrines do not line up with what Jesus said...how can God even be there? Since Jesus Himself says the ONLY WAY TO GOD, is BY HIM!
Do you know that in olden times that Catholics were not even allowed to have Bibles?(this can be proven). Do you know why? Because the church wanted total obedience unto THE CHURCH... not to what God's word said. This is not anything against you personally,it is sharing the truth of God's word. You show me ANYWHERE in the Bible where it says we are to pray to Mary & the saints...it doesn't in any Bibles I have ever read.

Posted by: ANOINTED WARRIOR

The Jesus Creed:

John 17

Jesus Prays for All Believers

20"My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one: 23 I in them and you in me. May they be brought to complete unity to let the world know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me. 24 "Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world. 25 "Righteous Father, though the world does not know you, I know you, and they know that you have sent me. 26 I have made you known to them, and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me may be in them and that I myself may be in them."

Matthew 6

9 "This, then, is how you should pray:
" 'Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name,
10 your kingdom come,
your will be done
on earth as it is in heaven.
11 Give us today our daily bread.
12 Forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
13 And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from the evil one. '
14 For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.

Posted by: akabezalel

Y'all are talking to yourselves!

You forgot you were talking to a stubborn teenager whose mind is set and her heels are now dug firmly in to resist and ignore every word you say!

Beating a dead horse would be a more efficient use of your time. Trust me on this.

Until God opens her eyes and ours none of us will see clearly, let this rest now and trust God to work in Awesomes life as HE wants to.

Holy Spirit, work in Awesome16's life and bring her to wisdom and knowledge that will set her free in Jesus. Hold her close to the Savior and open her eyes to Your Truth. In the Name of Jesus. AMEN!

Posted by: ANOINTED WARRIOR

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Originally Posted by akabezalel

Y'all are talking to yourselves!

You forgot you were talking to a stubborn teenager whose mind is set and her heels are now dug firmly in to resist and ignore every word you say!

Beating a dead horse would be a more efficient use of your time. Trust me on this.

Until God opens her eyes and ours none of us will see clearly, let this rest now and trust God to work in Awesomes life as HE wants to.

Holy Spirit, work in Awesome16's life and bring her to wisdom and knowledge that will set her free in Jesus. Hold her close to the Savior and open her eyes to Your Truth. In the Name of Jesus. AMEN!

LOL not me I am talking to her as well, but I know there are catholics reading this as well and those who are not saved so am using what I post to minister to them as well God Bless you carol lol...

Posted by: faith rising

In the Ten Commandments, God says not to worship any other Gods besides him, and not to make or bow down to any idols of any kind.

I grew up Catholic, and praying to the saints, is worshipping a human being. I've seen MANY people bowing down to statues of the saints and Mary. So basically, Catholics are breaking two of the 10 commandments right there. We don't need saints, to go to God for us. That's what Jesus died for. Why are you putting him on the back burner? Isn't Jesus good enough for you?

As far as Mary goes... she was never intended to be worshipped. I have heard from several pastors, that when you worship Mary, you are really worshipping the spirit of Jezebel. I don't know how true that is, but it makes sense to me.

As far as I'm concerned, it's pagan worship. You said you didn't care what people said, and that you won't change your mind, and thats your choice. If you or anyone is offended by my post, I apologize, but it is the truth. Read the 10 commandments.

Posted by: Frederik

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Originally Posted by awesome16

well I am catholic an I believe what I believe an what my church teachs me an I dont really care what you all try to tell me. An I am not tryign to get you to Mary or the Saints for I cant tell you what to do nor can you tell me what to do. bOTH WAYS WE ARE NOT GONNA STOP DOING WHAT WE HAVE BEEN BECAUSE SOMEONE TOLD YOU TO ONLINE. I believe in praying to them an so does my church an my friends so be it that you guys dont well it dont really matter to me. An I am gonna keep on praying to them as well as to Jesus. thank you all very much God bless

Maybe you should take a look at this:

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0082/0082_01.asp
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0071/0071_01.asp

The catholics really believe that they eat Jesus during the offerty.
This is beyond silly and very unbiblical.Jesus' sacrifice does not have to be repeated! But this is exactly what the church teaches.They believe that they bring Jesus down to earth again in the shape of a cookie which they eat.

The cookie becomes Jesus and the catholics believe it.... they also believe priests can forgive sins.... If you rely on priests and good deeds to go to heaven then good night.There are many people which believe that the catholic church is the big whore from revelation...

Posted by: KingdomWarrior

Can someone tell me if it is true that Mary is called the Queen of Heaven??

I have some interesting things to say on this if this is confirmed. I have done study on the Queen of Heaven.

Posted by: faith rising

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Originally Posted by KingdomWarrior

Can someone tell me if it is true that Mary is called the Queen of Heaven??

I have some interesting things to say on this if this is confirmed. I have done study on the Queen of Heaven.

If she is, don't you think we would have read about it in the Bible? She was barely mentioned after Jesus was born. She was a holy, Godly, woman, but I doubt she is the queen of Heaven.

Posted by: StarChilde

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Originally Posted by faith rising

If she is, don't you think we would have read about it in the Bible? She was barely mentioned after Jesus was born. She was a holy, Godly, woman, but I doubt she is the queen of Heaven.

The queen of heaven IS mentioned in the Bible, but being the Queen of Heaven is NOT a good thing... for those who have researched and read such things know.
In 1954, Pope Pius XII officially declared Mary the Queen of Heaven.From other sites on the web:Mary being crowned as the Queen of Heaven, is a title conferred on Mary by Catholicism. One document where this can be found is INEFFABILIS DEUS, the Apostolic Constitution Defining the Dogma of the Immaculate Conception, of Pope Pius IX, December 8th, 1854.
There is even a rite in the Catholic Church that involves crowning statues (idols) of Mary as the Queen of heaven. Once placed on a statue, the crown remains permanently.The title of Queen of Heaven can also be found in scripture, but not in reference to Mary-

Jer 7:18 The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.

Jer 44:17 But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil.
Jer 44:18 But since we left off to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, we have wanted all things, and have been consumed by the sword and by the famine.
Jer 44:19 And when we burned incense to the queen of heaven, and poured out drink offerings unto her, did we make her cakes to worship her, and pour out drink offerings unto her, without our men?

The Queen of Heaven, if you check in most any commentary, is none other than Ishtar, Ashtoreth, or Astarte the very pagan goddess that Israel worshipped when they fell into apostasy and paganism-
Judg 2:13 And they forsook the LORD, and served Baal and Ashtaroth.

Posted by: KingdomWarrior

Thank you Star, this was the exact info I was going to give.

Also, I was going to post some stuff from the Druids/Celtic Pagan who embraced Catholicism. They worship the goddess, and after adopting Catholicism, they saw that Mary was the replacement of their "goddess worship" and it was sanctioned by the church.

Posted by: StarChilde

I think an important thing needs to be said here... in that none of this information is against anyone here. It is sharing information, which can all be proven with searching and study. Just because things are said or shown about a particuliar religion or a part of that religion, doesn't mean that we are against those who belong to that denomination. Those who have accepted Christ Jesus as their Saviour are ALL a part of the family of God. There are those that think simply belonging to a church will get them into heaven, this is not so, never has been and never will be. In and through this all, something that I read a long time ago bears the most truth: Religion is man's answer to God... Jesus is HIS ANSWER TO US!

Posted by: jesusluvsdeaf

Acts 4:12Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved."
Peter spoke these words so boldy and this is from God's Holy Bible. Upon the name of Jesus, and oly Jesus are we to pray and be heard by God.
Love in Christ,
Robert

Posted by: jesusluvsdeaf

I gurantee you that if Mary and the others that are prayed to were to come back to earth, they would be so angry and denounce any religion they prays in thier name and not the name of Jesus. Paul had this problem when the church started saying that Apollos was greater than Paul and visa versa. Paul says the only name that counted was the name of Jesus as He is the only Son of God and only perfect Man that ever walked on this earth. All else was born into sin, Mary and all the other so called Holy(perfect) men and women of God. When Jesus' family went to see Him the people cried out "Here is your Mother and brothers", and Jesus responded that all people who accept Him are His family. His family was surprised to hear Him say this as they took it into the wrong way. Jesus already knew then and there that people were going to worship Mary and others in his family and the Apostles. Robert

Posted by: Frederik

One question. I have nothing against Mary but why is she holy??? Why should she be holy? Who says that? The pope???

Posted by: ATT

One question. I have nothing against Mary but why is she holy??? Why should she be holy? Who says that? The pope???

Gees Frederick, for someone who has read so many books on occult, ufo's, curses, etc. you don't seem to have read any on Our Lady's apparitions and you do not seem to have read any of her messages. I suggest you stop reading garbage like occult, ufo's etc and spend reading up a bit on Our Lady.

Posted by: faith rising

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Originally Posted by ATT

One question. I have nothing against Mary but why is she holy??? Why should she be holy? Who says that? The pope???

Gees Frederick, for someone who has read so many books on occult, ufo's, curses, etc. you don't seem to have read any on Our Lady's apparitions and you do not seem to have read any of her messages. I suggest you stop reading garbage like occult, ufo's etc and spend reading up a bit on Our Lady.

God must have thought she was holy to have her bear his son. What I mean by holy, is that she kept Gods commands. She was Godly.

Posted by: Frederik

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Originally Posted by faith rising

God must have thought she was holy to have her bear his son. What I mean by holy, is that she kept Gods commands. She was Godly.

Could it be that you confuse something?
Chosing Mary had got something to do with her genealogy....
God could not simply pick one woman from somewhere on the planet which lived a "holy" life...

Posted by: faith rising

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Originally Posted by Frederik

Could it be that you confuse something?
Chosing Mary had got something to do with her genealogy....
God could not simply pick one woman from somewhere on the planet which lived a "holy" life...

Only God knows why Frederik. She was obviously Godly, or He wouldn't have chosen her regardless of her genealogy. If she had been a harlot and had great genes, I think God would have chosen someone else. I could be wrong. I have been many times. God knew what He was doing. I still don't believe Mary or any of the "saints" were meant to be prayed to.

Posted by: alexx

Has Any One Ever Considered That Maybe Part Of The Reason She Was Chosen Had To Do With The Fact That She Was Betrothed To Joseph......i Would Say That Jesus Spent Alot Of Time With Joseph....just A Thought

Posted by: Frederik

Faith rising,
you have to keep in mind that Jesus HAD TO develope from a certain genealogy.
He had to.Jesus could not have been born by every woman.

Posted by: alexx

Frederik....look At Joseph's Lineage...let Me Know Your Thoughts...or Any Ones Thoughts On This

Posted by: ANOINTED WARRIOR

Or go here to this link which will give you more revelation http://www.annointed.net/ForumTopic_28520__15.htm

Posted by: Frederik

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexx

Frederik....look At Joseph's Lineage...let Me Know Your Thoughts...or Any Ones Thoughts On This

Joseph's? This one does not matter.
Ever noticed that Mary had a different genealogy?
The one in Luke belongs to Mary.Jesus had to come from the genealogy of David.

Posted by: alexx

Didnt Joseph Come From The Geneology Of David?

Posted by: Frederik

Yes, but in Jeremiah 22:30 God pronounced a blood curse on the line.

Thus saith the LORD, Write ye this man childless, a man that shall not prosper in his days: for no man of his seed shall prosper, sitting upon the throne of David, and ruling any more in Judah.

That was in the time of Jeconiah.The curse of Jeconiah was on the blood line but Jesus was not Joseph's son, he was only his legal son.
But Mary was also from David's blood line.

This is why it worked in the end.

Posted by: JG

To all my Catholic Brothers and Sisters on this board.
Jan & I want you to know we love you.

So please do not be offended by the emotions of so many others.
I just wanted to step in here and say we love you guys.

Now to my Protestant friends.
When thinking on the Body of Christ I like to think the diversity God gave us is wonderful.

The way I look at all Catholics is what their stated creed is.
I wish all people who say they are Christians believe all of this.

I believe in God the Father Almighty,
Creator of Heaven and Earth.
I believe in Jesus Christ his only Son, our Lord.
He was conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit
and born of the Virgin Mary.
He suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died and was buried.
He descended to the dead.
On the third day he rose again.
He ascended into heaven and is seated
at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church,
the Communion of Saints, the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body and life everlasting. Amen
Catholic means (universal or body of Christ)

Now as to Mary what does the word say:
The annunciation in the Gospel of Luke says all generations are to call her blessed.

LUK 1:46 And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,
LUK 1:47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.
LUK 1:48 For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
LUK 1:49 For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy [is]his name. LUK 1:50 And his mercy [is] on them that fear him from generation to generation. 1:51 He hath shewed strength with his arm; he hath scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts. 1:52 He hath put down the mighty from [their] seats, and exalted them of low degree. 1:53 He hath filled the hungry with good things; and the rich he hath sent empty away. 1:54 He hath holpen his servant Israel, in remembrance of [his] mercy; 1:55 As he spake to our fathers, to Abraham, and to his seed for ever. 1:56 And Mary abode with her about three months, and returned to her own house.

Remember even the Angel of the Lord came for God and said:
LUK 1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, [thou that art] highly favoured, the Lord [is] with thee: blessed [art] thou among women.

Remember the greeting of her aunt Elisabeth
LUK 1:41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost: 1:42 And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed [art] thou among women, and blessed [is] the fruit of thy womb.

I personally do not pray to Mary because Jesus is my Advocate but I do Bless and Honor her because she is the mother of Jesus and because the Word says to.

Now as to the rest:
It is ok to place information here but please remember not to try and take up a cause There are Catholics who are saved just like there are Baptist and Assembly of God people saved. You are not saved by denomination you are saved by the blood of Jesus Christ through faith.

Each denomination has something different about it. Their history is they formed because they believe in something different than what they came out of and they wanted the communion of like minded saints or believers to fellowship with. That does not make them better. Now please do not bring us the persecution of one group of people to others

That had nothing to do with Christ. There are many men in the Protestant denominations who tortured people including John Calvin as well as the Catholics. Many people have made many mistakes but God had nothing to do with it.

We honor our pastors and leaders of demoninations just as Catholics honor the priest and Pope. It is our diversity that makes us strong.

So to my Catholic friends, thank you for being part of our family and we Love and respect you very much.

Pastor Jerry & Jan

Posted by: Frederik

I have never learned to say this creed thing but just because you know it and say it doesn't mean you also believe it. I never thought about wether I believe that Jesus suffered under Pilate.What sense does this make? You could write creeds which are pages long. I could as well say I believe that Jesus fed the 5000 and that he walked on the water etc etc etc.

Posted by: JG

Frederik we love you.
The Apostles Creed or one like it is in every major denominaton or Christian Chruch group today and has always been.

It is the place every Christian believe starts.
What do you believe.
It is not our job to question if a person believes
We can ask what but it is God's place to determine if.

You are young so please take the time to study before launching the questions.

Posted by: Frederik

I understand the purpose of it and it has a right to be there.
I think you have the creed in your heart anyway. You're not saved by believing that Jesus suffered under Pilate and you're not saved by believing that Adam and Eve really lived in a garden.There's only one "thing" which saves you and this is what it's all about.Jesus.
Creeds are useful to show your whole belief system to others.This way everybody who wants to join the church knows what they believe.

Posted by: JG

This just goes to show you how young you are my son.

Talk to me about it in 20 years.

Posted by: marsbar007

I beleive in life after death, but hopeing and praying that is all it is. I am sure that no one that dies, and moves on remembers this Earth. Why would they?
And, why would you want them to?

No, I pray to two people Jesus,and God. Mary wasn't the first ot get pregnant by God either. Elisebeth did. Elisebeth could not have children.
God had to take mother Mary to show her Elisebeth. Cause, Mary was not in total belief that she could get pregant this way. When she see nit , she was all for it. Why we dont give Elisebeth her reconization is beyond me, but its true.

But, I will never pray to anyone execpt God, and Jesus sorry.

Mars

Posted by: Frederik

Quote:

Originally Posted by JG

This just goes to show you how young you are my son.

Talk to me about it in 20 years.

20 years?
I think the rapture is coming soon...

I don't know if there are 20 more years into it.

Posted by: Frederik

Quote:

Originally Posted by marsbar007

I beleive in life after death, but hopeing and praying that is all it is. I am sure that no one that dies, and moves on remembers this Earth. Why would they?
And, why would you want them to?

No, I pray to two people Jesus,and God. Mary wasn't the first ot get pregnant by God either. Elisebeth did. Elisebeth could not have children.
God had to take mother Mary to show her Elisebeth. Cause, Mary was not in total belief that she could get pregant this way. When she see nit , she was all for it. Why we dont give Elisebeth her reconization is beyond me, but its true.

But, I will never pray to anyone execpt God, and Jesus sorry.

Mars

Wait a minute!
Mary got pregnant through the Holy Spirit!
Elisabeth did not get pregnant through the Holy Spirit, this would mean that John was just like Jesus, which is not the case.

Posted by: bluecatkeeper

Originally Posted by bluecatkeeper
I read this thread over the last 2 days and was disturbed and hurt. I am a Roman Catholic by upbringing, but I am a Christian, because I HAVE accepted the Lord Jesus as my Savior. I wanted to many times respond to some of the comments, but it was different, because the Spirit moves me when I respond to prayer requests or other postings, but I did not know what to say or how to answer this. I did not necessarily take offense to what they said, but I know it disturbed the original poster awesome16, and I sent her a note of comfort telling her not to be offended, that people sometimes don't understand the different aspects of other religions.

I was moved and touched by your answer and I am at peace with the subject. You said it all and there is nothing more wonderful than to know that you welcome us all to this wonderful place. I can't begin to tell you how my life has changed in the last 12 days. I had earlier felt isolated and alone, thinking that I didnt love my husband anymore, that he was taking me for granted. I feel like I have been spiritually healed and I think I have received a healing with bone pain (one that I didnt ask for..it just happened) and my marraige seems to be on the mend. I have been moved by the HOly Spirit to say prayer where I feel I am needed and I have witnessed to two people, one of which has joined the board yesterday.

Again, thank you so much and it means alot to know that you take the time to read what we write hear and to pray for and with us. That tells alot about your character.

God Bless you and your family,
With Great Affection,
Lori Jones

Posted by: marsbar007

Mary would not of bee ntaken to her if she wasn't sorry.
But, yes Elisibeth did. I am all for what the good Lord said. If he said she did, then she did.
Who got her pregnant then?

Mars

Posted by: Frederik

This is a bit tricky.Nevertheless I cannot find a verse which says that Elisabeth got pregnant thru the holy spirit.I really cannot imagine it.

Posted by: jedijeb

Quote:

Originally Posted by marsbar007

Mary would not of bee ntaken to her if she wasn't sorry.
But, yes Elisibeth did. I am all for what the good Lord said. If he said she did, then she did.
Who got her pregnant then?

Mars

Actually it was Zacharias who got Elisabeth pregnant. God opened her womb( which means He made her fertile) but Zacharias is John's father

Luk 1:11 And there appeared unto him an angel of the Lord standing on the right side of altar of incense.
Luk 1:12 And Zacharias was troubled when he saw him, and fear fell upon him.
Luk 1:13 But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: because thy supplication is heard, and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.

She did not bear God a son, she bore him to Zacharias. Elisabeth had a husband who had relations with her, Mary on the other hand was a virgin who had never known a man and the Holy Spirit caused her to conceive. Both pregnancies were miracles just as was Sarah's when she had Issac, but there again Abraham was the father not God, He only made it possible.

Posted by: Annie7

Hi Lori,

Thank you for sharing that testimony about what God has done for you.

I too am one that doesn't fully understand the Catholic religion, but I'm sure there are people in all denominations who have gone to church all their lives, but have never fully understood the personal experience with Jesus.

I took myself to church when I was little and went on my own until I got to be a teenager. I had heard about Jesus when I went, but I never understood to ask Him into my heart til a friend took me to her church and they showed me to the personal experience with Him.

So, like you say, what matters is asking Him into your heart, no matter what church you go to.

I'm sure no one here meant harm, they are good and loving people.

It was just the way Awesome16 put it-she was actually pretty upset that all of us don't pray to Mary and the saints.

I think about them a lot, like how Peter had himself crucified upside down because he thought he was not worthy to die as Jesus did, so he made it worse for himself.

And how hard it must have been on Mary to watch her child die.

But what we were trying to say is, although we respect them, we only pray directly to our God.

I'm glad you're here, Lori, and I would be greatly honored for you to pray for me if you would.

When someone says they pray as Holy Spirit leads, you'd better believe I would welcome those prayers!

God bless you and your family, and I'm happy to hear your good reports of God working in your life.

I pray for Awesome16 that she will stay close to God and ask Holy Spirit to show her any truths for her life that He wants her to know.

Posted by: bluecatkeeper

Quote:

Originally Posted by Annie7

Hi Lori,

Thank you for sharing that testimony about what God has done for you.

I too am one that doesn't fully understand the Catholic religion, but I'm sure there are people in all denominations who have gone to church all their lives, but have never fully understood the personal experience with Jesus.

I took myself to church when I was little and went on my own until I got to be a teenager. I had heard about Jesus when I went, but I never understood to ask Him into my heart til a friend took me to her church and they showed me to the personal experience with Him.

So, like you say, what matters is asking Him into your heart, no matter what church you go to.

I'm sure no one here meant harm, they are good and loving people.

It was just the way Awesome16 put it-she was actually pretty upset that all of us don't pray to Mary and the saints.

I think about them a lot, like how Peter had himself crucified upside down because he thought he was not worthy to die as Jesus did, so he made it worse for himself.

And how hard it must have been on Mary to watch her child die.

But what we were trying to say is, although we respect them, we only pray directly to our God.

I'm glad you're here, Lori, and I would be greatly honored for you to pray for me if you would.

When someone says they pray as Holy Spirit leads, you'd better believe I would welcome those prayers!

God bless you and your family, and I'm happy to hear your good reports of God working in your life.

I pray for Awesome16 that she will stay close to God and ask Holy Spirit to show her any truths for her life that He wants her to know.

I understand..I am glad that tolerance and respect are practiced and valued here. I myself took no offense to the discussion. It's wonderful that we can all give our testimonials/share our stories. I will most certaintly pray for you. Since there was no specific request..I shall pray for you in general to receive abundant blessings in your life.

Lord, I lift up Annie and her family to you. Watch over them all the days of their lives until such time as they are with you in heaven. Help them to continue to be blessed in Your Love and continue to pour out the HOly Spirit onto them. Be with them always and guide them to your will.

In Jesus Name, I pray this. AMen
Lori

Posted by: awesome16

thank you jerry. i am sorry if i sounded mad i was sad thats all. an it did make me even more sad that some of these people though that thats the only way i know an its not. an this is what i understand an love an my love for Jesus is lots an i just know that i tried to help someone an told them to say a prayer to a saint an someone told me i was wrong. so then i was hurt so i made a post asking people if they did or not an then everyone just thought i was stupid for thinking this an fred. was saying that we eat a cookie an thats the bead an it turns into Jesus. an so i guess i felt very stupid an it made me sad because whatever but i was gonna leave this prayer board but then i got some good pm's an it made me feel better an thank you all who sent me pm's an just helped me remember im not alone. thank you all. an jerry thank you for posting a good report. it means a lot to me.

Posted by: StarChilde

Quote:

Originally Posted by marsbar007

Elisebeth was NOT impregnated by God,her husband was the father of her child.
Luk 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.
Luk 1:6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.
Luk 1:7 And they had no child, because that Elisabeth was barren, and they both were now well stricken in years.
Luk 1:8 And it came to pass, that while he executed the priest's office before God in the order of his course,
Luk 1:9 According to the custom of the priest's office, his lot was to burn incense when he went into the temple of the Lord. Luk 1:10 And the whole multitude of the people were praying without at the time of incense.
Luk 1:11 And there appeared unto him an angel of the Lord standing on the right side of the altar of incense.
Luk 1:12 And when Zacharias saw him, he was troubled, and fear fell upon him.
Luk 1:13 But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.
Luk 1:14 And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth.

Luk 1:15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

Luk 1:16 And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God.

Luk 1:17 And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.

Luk 1:18 And Zacharias said unto the angel, Whereby shall I know this? for I am an old man, and my wife well stricken in years.

Luk 1:19 And the angel answering said unto him, I am Gabriel, that stand in the presence of God; and am sent to speak unto thee, and to shew thee these glad tidings.

Luk 1:20 And, behold, thou shalt be dumb, and not able to speak, until the day that these things shall be performed, because thou believest not my words, which shall be fulfilled in their season.

Luk 1:21 And the people waited for Zacharias, and marvelled that he tarried so long in the temple.

Luk 1:22 And when he came out, he could not speak unto them: and they perceived that he had seen a vision in the temple: for he beckoned unto them, and remained speechless.

Luk 1:23 And it came to pass, that, as soon as the days of his ministration were accomplished, he departed to his own house.

Luk 1:24 And after those days his wife Elisabeth conceived, and hid herself five months, saying,

Luk 1:25 Thus hath the Lord dealt with me in the days wherein he looked on me, to take away my reproach among men.

and

Luk 1:36 And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren.

Luk 1:37 For with God nothing shall be impossible.

Mary was being shown Elisabeth BECAUSE she had gotten pregnant in her old age, whom had been considered barren, to show that God can do miracles and bring even one called barren to conceiving a child. He done the same thing with Sarai and Abraham in the Old Testament. One should not say there was any other births conceived by the Holy Spirit except Mary.

(edited by jerry you made your point Star so I took out just two words.) Jerry I made correction, to make it sound nicer

Posted by: tamsonfirst

Pastor Jerry,

I absolutely loved your response to this thread and truly saw the hand of God in it. I was raised Lutheran and if anyone is familiar with the Protestant Reformation they will understand that Martin Luther sought to reform the Catholic Church, as in the years between the establishment of the church in Rome and the 1500's corruption had crept into it.
That can be true of many churches so I am not singling them out. I only mention this to say that the Lutheran beliefs are not much different than Catholics except we do not venrate Mary and we have pastors, not priests. Our pastors can marry..But I do think the Catholic church has some good ideas that many other denominations can learn from:

1) They value the sanctity of life and marriage:
Abortion is absolutely abhorred and divorce is seriously frowned upon.

2) Saints are taught to Catholic children as role models of the faith. They are meant to encourage and guide through their examples of the sacfrices they made and devotion to Christ.

3) Priests remaining unmarried. A tough choice, yes, and I wouldn't make it a command, but I think of what Paul wrote concerning those called to teach and it does seem unrealistic to think a man can give 100% to his wife and children and 100% to his congregation. I know I feel alot of compassion for my own pastor's wife when I think of how many cold meals she has eaten alone, her phone ringing at all hours of the day and night, and the family vacations they have had to cancel because of the churches needs. I won't tell a man in ministry not to marry, but the Catholics at least challenge those who feel called by asking how much they would give up for Christ.

This is in response to Frederik's recommendation of the Chick tract web site:

I have seen Jack Chick's responses to the Catholic faith and I'm sorry I think he will get a wake up call on Judgement Day. His asessment and portrayal of the Catholic Chruch as paganistic is hateful in rhetoric and ignorant. I have found very few things/ministries that that man approves of, Frederick, and you would be wise to avoid his teachings. Just my humble opinion.

I am especially encouraged by the fact that you and Jan wish to promote unity on this site. That has been a serious burden on my heart. We live in a time when the battle lines are clearly drawn:
Satan vs. Jesus...We cannot afford for our Army to divide into factions at this point in the game.

Thanks again..and to our Catholic brothers and sisters, I extend my hand and heart in welcoming you here.

Tammie

Posted by: KingdomWarrior

Thank you all for your kindness even in the midst of debate.

I have seen other board who have had this arguement (and I do mean arguement) where it has lead to people leaving and some even being banned.

I really appreciate your kindness and respect here.

God bless you all!!

Posted by: ANOINTED WARRIOR

Quote:

Originally Posted by KingdomWarrior

Thank you all for your kindness even in the midst of debate.

I have seen other board who have had this arguement (and I do mean arguement) where it has lead to people leaving and some even being banned.

I really appreciate your kindness and respect here.

God bless you all!!

Amen and amen KW God Bless, we love you Jesus continue to move with your love and grace in this place...

Posted by: Frederik

Quote:

Originally Posted by jedijeb

Actually it was Zacharias who got Elisabeth pregnant.

Exactly.It was good ol' Zach and not God.