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Can a woman be a minister or pastor a church

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Posted by: JG


    How Women in the New Testament ministered.

    This is a lesson on the Ministry of women in the New Testament. What did the Lord have woman do. The Holy Spirit gives spiritual gifts to all His children, men and women, so that we can build His Church. (Romans 12:6.) . Both men and women were given these gifts and worked hard together jointly spreading the gospel and nurturing the new church. Ephesians 4:11-13 lists gifts of the Holy Spirit that deal specifically with church building and public ministry—apostles, prophets, evangelists, ministers and teachers.

    Many people believe that women were not given these more public gifts—only men. Yet the New Testament tells us of some women empowered by the Holy Spirit as a "spiritual gift" to do these different jobs with some men with the same calling! Did all men and women receive these leadership spiritual gifts Paul lists in Ephesians? No, many received a greater roll of servanthood, such as encouraging, contributing to the needs of others, and showing mercy, as in Romans 12:6-8. In 1 Corinthians 12:7, Paul lists wisdom, knowledge, faith, healing, discernment of spirits and acquiring other languages or interpreting other languages—all of these are spiritual gifts needed by the entire church!

    Apostles: There were other apostles besides the twelve1.
    Paul greets Junia, a Roman woman converted before Paul, praising her as "outstanding among the apostles," Romans 16:7. "Greet Andronicus and Junia, my relatives who have been in prison with me. They are outstanding2 among the apostles3, and they were in Christ before I was." NIV4

    They are outstanding or eminent from among the apostles. Many mentally read this scripture as—They are (said to be) outstanding among (they substitute "by") the apostles. Adding these four words would totally change the meaning of this scripture! However, these four words—said to be/by—are not in the Greek text! "By" is a totally different Greek word than the word translated "among". Paul never relied on the opinions of other apostles to back his praise. He knew these two very well, having been in prison with them. He was praising them as "outstanding (or eminent) among the apostles." Paul considered them apostles just as he considered himself to be an apostle.

    Junia was a common female name and there are no historical examples of any Roman male named Junia5. She is praised with Andronicus, who was believed to be her husband. Both were doing an excellent job among the apostles after the twelve, and had been imprisoned with Paul probably because of their active leadership roles.

    Paul mentions many women by name in his epistles, and the same terms used to designate male church leaders are used to designate female church leaders.

    Prophets: An evangelist named Philip had four virgin daughters who were prophetesses. Acts 21:8,9. Other women in the church were praying and prophesying aloud in the churches and a controversy arose over whether these participating women needed to veil themselves as the Hebrew women did. Finally Paul decided their long hair was covering enough as they prayed and prophesied during church services, 1 Cor 11:5-16. Also see Acts 2:18, "…both men and women…shall prophesy," referring to the messages given in different languages to both men and women on the day of Pentecost. Anna was also a prophetess, Luke 2:36.

    Evangelists: Priscilla, together with her husband Aquila, accompanied Paul on an evangelizing trip to Ephesus. Paul continued on and left them behind to evangelize. At Ephesus, Priscilla (listed before her husband Aquila) taught the learned minister Apollos more accurately in the faith, Acts 18:18-26. Some translations add that this happened in their house but the Greek for Acts 18:26 only tells us that they took Apollos unto themselves and doesn't mention a house. The word used for explained or expounded is the same word used when Peter publicly explained the truth in Acts 11:47. Priscilla and Aquila also established a church in Rome, Romans 16:3-5, and risked their lives for Paul.

    Both Euodia and Syntyche evangelized publicly with Paul; they "contended at my side in the cause of the gospel". Both women zealously "contended", and the Greek word that Paul used conjures up verbal team wrestling! The word8 means "to wrestle in company with". They publicly wrestled with words right beside Paul as they all three publicly defended the faith! Their names are "in the book of life" together with a male co-worker named Clement, Phil 4:2-3 NIV

    Pastors or Ministers: In Romans 16:1-2, Phoebe, a woman, was a "diakonon" of the church in Cenchrea. The same Greek word translated "servant"9 here, is translated "minister" in twenty-two other scriptures such as in Col 1:25 "Of this church I was made a minister according to the stewardship from God bestowed on me for your benefit, that I might fully carry out the preaching of the word of God," NAS

    Phoebe is believed to have delivered the book of Romans after traveling some 800 miles from Cenchrea near Corinth to Rome. Paul writes "I commend10 (or introduce) to you, our sister Phoebe," Then he introduces her as a minister11 of the church in Cenchrea and urges the church at Rome to help her with the matter that brings her to Rome, for "she has been a great help to many people, including me." The word translated merely "great help" or "helper" is a word meaning "a woman set over others, a patroness,"!12 She was not a servant in the way we think of a servant, but a wealthy woman with money to use to travel and to protect and help others. She served as a minister.

    Paul greets Nympha among other church leaders and greets her house church. She is the only leader mentioned by name in her town. Col. 4:1513.
    Lydia had a church meeting in her home, Acts 16:14, 15 and 40.
    Also Chloe, whose converts are indicated as belonging to Chloe as a group or church14, in 1 Cor 1:11 "For I have been informed concerning you, my brethren, by Chloe's people, that there are quarrels among you." NAS

    Paul praises a household of ministers headed by a person named Stephanas or Stephana, a woman's name, the feminine form of Stephen. 1 Cor 16:15-16 "Now I urge you, brethren (you know the household of Stephanas that they were the first fruits of Achaia, and that they have devoted themselves for ministry to the saints), that you also be in subjection to such (meaning such ones, "men" is not in the Greek) and to everyone who helps in the work and labors." NAU

    She and her household were the first converts in Achaia, and now her household was devoted to the ministry. The words translated as "they have devoted themselves" could also be "they have appointed or ordained themselves"15. Paul urges the members to be subject to such people, or to subordinate themselves to this household, indicating that he is indeed talking of ministers with authority. Some translations use "such men" but "men" is not in the Greek. Was Stephana having trouble with church members not treating her with respect because she was a female? Notice that Paul rejoiced that she and the two males with her (her sons?) had arrived to re-supply his needs.

    Paul is scolding the Corinthians saying that they had not supplied what he needed but Stephana and the two men had arrived and provided for him. Paul concludes his rebuke by saying that people such as this should be acknowledged! (Again "such men", as some translations render, is not in the Greek text.)

    He indicates that the Corinthians were not giving Stephana respect or recognition as a minister, but Paul praises her and her household. Because this passage is so clearly speaking of ministers, many try to maintain that Stephana was an abrieviation for a man's name, but Stephana was a Greek female name, and their arguments are partly based on disbelief that a woman could head a household of ministers.

    Another woman who was serving as a pastor or evangelist was the woman John writes the book of 2 John to. He addresses her in Greek as "Eklektee kuria", the first word meaning "Chosen of God," Thayer's definition; and the second word, "Kuria" is the feminine form of "Kuros," which means "supreme in authority"16! John writes to her, "It has given me great joy to find some of your children walking in the truth, just as the Father commanded us." 2 John 1:4. "In the New Testament, pupils or disciples are called children of their teachers, because the latter by their instruction nourish the minds of their pupils and mould their characters"17. Her "children" are as John's "children" in 3 John 1:4, they are her converts to the truth. Again in verse five he refers to her again as "kuria", such a high feminine title of respect that it is used only these two places in the entire New Testament! She was "beloved" "by all who know the truth" and "supreme in authority"! He warns her of a certain deceiver, "do not take him into your house" as her house was obviously a church meeting place. She was clearly a woman John highly regarded and greatly respected. She may have been the apostle Junia once imprisoned with Paul, Romans 16:7, as her actual name is never given. Did John carefully hide her real name, the names of the brethren, and the location of the church because the Roman authorities were searching for her and her converts? At the close of 2 John Paul also mentions, "the children of your chosen (or elect) sister send their greetings" which indicates a second woman chosen by God in an ecclesiastical sense.

    Teachers: Many of the previously mentioned women, including Priscilla, Junia, and Phoebe, were also teaching as part of being an evangelist, apostle or minister.


    • 1 Other apostles beyond the twelve include Paul, Col. 1:1, Barnabas in Acts 14:3,4; and Epaphroditis, an "apostolon" mentioned in Phil. 2:25; and also many "apostoloi" in 2 Cor. 8:23.
    • 2 "outstanding" or "of note" is from the word episemos Strong's number 1978, defined by Strong's Greek Hebrew Dictionary as "remarkable, eminent".
    • 3 The Greek en. "the preposition en always has the idea of 'within.' In the plural en is translated 'among' although it still has the basic idea of 'within.'" Pg 108, Beyond the Curse by Aida Besancon Spencer.
    • 4 Bible abbreviations are: NIV, New International Version; NAS, New American Standard; NAU New American Standard Update; RSV, Revised Standard Version; KJV King James Version; NKJ, New King James.
    • 5 Thayer's Greek Definitions "a Christian woman at Rome" 2458 Iounias.
    • 6Article by Karen Jo Torjesen, a researcher of this subject, U.S. News and World Report, August 10, 1998, page 52.
    • 7 Ektithemi, Strong's 1620.
    • 8 sunathleo (soon-ath-leh'-o), Strong's 4866, defined as "to wrestle in company with".
    • 9 Phoebe was a diakonos, Strong's 1249, "a Christian teacher and pastor", Translated "minister" in all the following scriptures, Matt. 20:26, Mark 10:43, Romans 13:4,8, 2Cor 3:6, 2 Cor 6:4, 2 Cor11:15,23, Gal. 2:17, Eph 3:7, 6:21, Col 1:7,23,25; Col 4:7 and 1Tim 4:6.
    • 10 sunistao (soon-is-tah'-o); Strong's 4921, to introduce (favorably).
    • 11 Translated as "minister" by Greek scholar Alfred Marshall, The Interlinear NASB-NIV parallel New Testament in Greek and English, page 477.
    • 12prostatis- Strong's 4368, defined by Thayer's as "a woman set over others, a female guardian, a protectress, a patroness, caring for the affairs of others and aiding them with her resources."
    • 13 The KJV and the NKJ are in error in this passage about the female Nympha, see the NIV, NAU, NAS, or RSV which all read "her house".
    • 14 Some translations add "house" or "household of Chloe" which is not in the Greek text.
    • 15 See Thayer's Bible Definitions for tasso, 5021.
    • 16 See Strong's definition 2962
    • 17 Thayer's reference on children, "teknois" Strong's 5043.
    • 18 "in Christ Jesus" indicates in the church, and this oneness refers to the present, not the future. See Col 1:24, and Romans 25:5, 16:3,9; 1 Peter 5:14, 1 Thes 3:2.




Posted by: MaryTemp

Thank-you for this lesson Jerry! It is very interesting. I learned alot.

Yours in Christ,
Mary





Posted by: akabezalel

Thank You Jerry.

I knew that there had been women in leadership roles in the Bible and I have often been in trouble for believing that God meant for everyone to serve freely, not just the men, but I had never looked them up and I did not know some of 'men' were actually women!



Posted by: pickone

I will probably be reading these over and over.



Posted by: eagle4him

Jerry, great job on showing the roles of women in the church. Th issue of whether or not a woman should or could be a "Senior Pastor", Bishop, etch still needs to be further explored. Some denominations have a "Bishop" designation, others "Senior Pastor".

If Christ put man (male) as the head of the household, to model and reflect His delegated authority over the family, then it would stand to reason that the role model of the church, which is made up of several or many families would have the head of the church family selected by Jesus--one of the ascension gifts, a man, as the head of the congregation.

It would not make sense to me, to have a woman as Senior Pastor of a congregation, if she cannot, Biblically be head of the family. That goes against the divine order established by Jesus.

1 Cor 14:34 "...women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says.

"Wives submit to your husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything." Epheshians 5:22-24

Paul does not instruct wives to submit to their husbands in all things except in church, but in ALL THINGS!!!!!!



Posted by: rz_smile

Jerry,

Thank you. This encourages me and gets rid of some "myths" that have been "lurking" in the back of my mind. God bless you and have a wonderful day!



Posted by: Christian Commando

To add to what Pastor Jerry mentioned, if pay close attention to the women who had leadership roles back then, notice it usaully ended up as such because either a man chosen for the position refused to take it or God couldn't find a man worthy to fill the position. Thus, since God has shown all along, He can use a woman in that position when necessary, particular women Gifted correctly to fill those positions can be in them, as God provides. Thanks and God Bless!



Posted by: talena

Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle4him
Jerry, great job on showing the roles of women in the church. Th issue of whether or not a woman should or could be a "Senior Pastor", Bishop, etch still needs to be further explored. Some denominations have a "Bishop" designation, others "Senior Pastor".

If Christ put man (male) as the head of the household, to model and reflect His delegated authority over the family, then it would stand to reason that the role model of the church, which is made up of several or many families would have the head of the church family selected by Jesus--one of the ascension gifts, a man, as the head of the congregation.

It would not make sense to me, to have a woman as Senior Pastor of a congregation, if she cannot, Biblically be head of the family. That goes against the divine order established by Jesus.

1 Cor 14:34 "...women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says.

"Wives submit to your husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything." Epheshians 5:22-24

Paul does not instruct wives to submit to their husbands in all things except in church, but in ALL THINGS!!!!!!



Well, the Lord is head of this household and his church...

Perhaps 1 Cor 14:34 should also be further explored, lets do that now.

At that time in history we know that Paul was ministering to congregations. History reveals to us that those congregations consisted of both men and women. UNFORTUNATELY, the congregations were segregated. The men sat on one side, women on the other. If it was inside a building there was usually a very large curtained that seperated the sexes. Both were able to see and hear the minister, but not each other. There are various beliefs as to why this was done. The most popular being that it helped to prevent a man or woman from being "distracted". That is not that important right now. What is important is this:

Women during that time were uneducated. They attended the service, but did not always understand what was being said by Paul...I mean after all he was a scholar and was very educated in law AND theology. When Paul ministered he spoke eloquently. These women did not understand much of what he was saying. SO...being a woman they noisely and constantly were interrupting service to ask their husbands what Paul was saying. THUS, the reason Paul said basically for women to be quite until they got home and then their husbands could explain it to them and teach them what had just been ministered. They could then reflect on what Paul said in order to confirm what their husbands said was correct. That is why it was important that they attend the services.

1 Corin 14:35, "And if they want to learn something let them ask their own husbands AT HOME; for it is shameful for a woman to speak in church." (because they were literally ignorant, and it shamed their husbands when they spoke out)

Hope this helps.



Posted by: pickone

You know, Joyce Meyers is one of the greatest ministers I have ever heard preach (man, or woman). It would be a shame to keep her for just one congregation. I am glad she "moves around"!



Posted by: Christian Commando

Talena- I've heard two expainations for this, but do not know which is correct. But basically, the Jewish culture believed women were not the leader, but the men. Why? 1- Considered of lesser authority. 2- Taught as children of my generation- to "be seen but not heard". Will say this tho- marriage doesn't work if spouses won't discuss all things together for decisions to be made. Take care- God Bless!!



Posted by: talena

But you speak in terms of a WIFE, wives are submissive, not all women, and they are to submit to their husbands no other man.

People mistakenly see the word wife and assume it applies to all women in every relationship that they have...it does not.

Metanoeo (greek word that we translate as "submit", and is also translated as "repent" in the NT) means to supply, or to give.

wives, metania to your husband.
Metanoeo for the kingdom of God is at hand.

The perfect definition of this word metanoeo can be found in the Bible when Ruth revealed to Naomi what it meant to completely give yourself to someone else:
"Whither thou goest, I will go; and where thou lodgest, I will lodge: thy people shall be my people, and thy God my God" (Ruth 1:16).

AMEN? It gets no clearer than that.

Nothing but the death of one of them can change that relationship.

Wives submit yourselves to your husbands. Where he goes there you go, where he lodges there you should lodge, his people shall be your people and his God your God, (Of course, pending that He is a believer in YHWH) and nothing but death can seperate the two of you.

Children repent (same word metanoeo), in other words...give yourselves to me, cast your cares on me, follow me, where I go you must go, where I abide you should abide, you are MY people and I am your God, and nothing shall seperate you from the love of God...not even death.

We define submission as being inferior and lowly and having no choice but to be subserviant. This is not God's definition.

I agree WIVES should submit to their spouses, but I do not believe that WOMEN are to submit to men. We (even us "lowly" women) should never put our faith in any man, because all men can do is disappoint.

I am not married, so I submit directly to God. I have no husband to be my spiritual leader, teacher. And until such day as God brings that man into my life, I will submit to no other man. Where God says to go and abide...that is where I will be. AND, he has never told me to "be seen and not heard". Instead He has said, "You into all the world and PREACH the Gospel (consists of having to speak)".

In Romans, women served in the church, and in Acts they prophesy (again speaking is a requirement). They followed Jesus, as many do now. They anointed Jesus, touched Jesus, worshipped Him just as the men did. They carried the Gospel in John when the Samaritan woman went out proclaiming, "Come, see a man that told me all things I ever did...".

And again at the resurrection, Jesus revealed Himself to a woman and once again women carried the Gospel to tell others about His resurrection.

in Romans 4:27 the disciples were amazed that Jesus had even spoke to the Samaritan woman bc in that day it was disreputable and beneath His dignity (another reason the jews did not believe Him to be the messiah). Why did Jesus go against the status quo? Because she was a willing vessel. Because she was willing to hear and spread the Word.



I think God knew what He was doing then, and considering He is the same yesterday, today, and forever. I seriously doubt that He will give a woman a Word and expect her to keep it to herself.



Posted by: Christian Commando

Forgive me Talena, you did mention Paul's speaking to the congregations, among other such examples. Forgive me if got wrong message. God Bless!



Posted by: talena

lol, I know it's not funny but I have yet to master the "tone" of my responses.

Anyway, whenever I go back and read it sounds as though I am being harsh or even matter of fact. Anyone who knows me well can tell you I am SOOO not even close to being like that in person. I am very caring and loving.

I just type it as it crosses through my mind, too much too fast without even attempting to soften things up a bit.

I don't mean to sound so blunt. If you could hear my voice you would know that I am being compassionate to your replies as well. I just have not figured out how to get that across in my responses. Pray for me...

AND, I DON'T MEAN TO SOUND SO SARCASTIC EITHER. I HAVE TO WORK ON THAT...YIKES!



Posted by: bill & alexis

Dear Brothers and Sisters in Christ, let's consider the definitive answer for this discussion - in the Word of God! Please study and consider this passage:

Galatians 3:28 - There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

I hope this clarifies the discussion a little!
-Bill

BTW If the enemy causes division on such a subtle point as this - does he not effectively render over half of the church useless???

Also, we should consider the culture of the time, and the fact that the Apostle Paul speaks on a very spiritual level - legalism cannot be applied to Paul's epistles - you will miss the point every time!!!



Posted by: talena

Thank you Bill.

I guess I am naieve, but I would like to think that there is no division. I mean, many times in discussions like these I stand corrected. I am sure others have the same experience. Critical thinking is good we just have to use wisdom and know when enough is enough. Truly, iron sharpens iron, but there comes a point when admonishing and edification becomes trading of rebukes and what appears to be hatred.

I hope I have offended no one... I just try to speak the truth.



Posted by: Christian Commando

My dear friend and sister in Christ, we all have ourt moments. None of us have all the answers. The best we can do is try to speak the Truth and pray God corrects us when wrong, so as not to mis direct anyone in His Light. Otherwise, how would any of us learn and grow in God thru Christ and by the Holy Spirit without it? Love you Sis in Christ- God Bless!



Posted by: jacci

Dear Pastor,
Let's just take a consideration about the qualifications that Paul instruct to Timothy and Titus. It says " a man of a wife! So, it means a man should be a
pastor or a minister in the church.