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Islam IS peaceful

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Posted by: Kainaij

Just as christians have white supremacists and the kkk, islam has its terrorists distorting the facts of the good books on which both faiths are based.

Killing in the name of christanity was nothing to the kkk when they were lynching negroes.


Posted by: JG

Dear Kainaij:

Thank you for your post. I get hundreds of email from Muslims all around the world. Some have come to the live broadcast and even gotten saved. Most of them have been very nice to us. Please let me share what they have said.

This was sent to me by a Muslim in Kuwait.

Dear Pastor Jerry
Please let me share with you about Muslims. If you ask educated, pious, traditional but
forward-looking Muslims what has driven their umma, or global community, in
the destructive and anti-Christian direction, many of them will answer you
with one word: Wahhabism.
This is a strain of Islam that emerged not at the time of the Crusades, nor even at the time of the anti-Turkish wars of the 17th century, but less than two centuries ago. It is violent, it is intolerant, and it is fanatical beyond measure. It originated in Arabia, and it is the official theology of the Gulf states. Wahhabism is the most extreme form of Islamic fundamentalism, and its followers are called Wahhabis.

Not all Muslims are suicide bombers, but all Muslim suicide bombers are
Wahhabis - except, perhaps, for some disciples of atheist leftists posing as
Muslims in the interests of personal power, such as Yasser Arafat or Saddam
Hussein. Wahhabism is the Islamic equivalent of the most extreme Protestant
sectarianism. It is puritan, demanding punishment for those who enjoy any
form of music except the drum, and severe punishment up to death for
drinking or sexual transgressions. It condemns as unbelievers those who do
not pray, a view that never previously existed in mainstream Islam.

It is stripped-down Islam, calling for simple, short prayers, undecorated
mosques, and the uprooting of gravestones (since decorated mosques and
graveyards lend themselves to veneration, which is idolatry in the Wahhabi
mind). Wahhabis do not even permit the name of the Prophet Mohammed to be inscribed in mosques, nor do they allow his birthday to be celebrated. Above all, they hate ostentatious spirituality, much as Protestants detest the
veneration of miracles and saints in the Roman Church.


Many American Muslim leaders have publicly condemned violence against Christians and Jews. Most American Muslims are peace-loving. But in Islam's holy city of Mecca, in Arabic-language sermons, important Wahhabi preachers continue to call for the murder of Christians and Jews. And Saudi money has made its violent Wahhabi sect the dominant form of Islam in the world, and here, in America.

Christianity may not be welcome in most Islamic states, but Islam has been welcomed here, and it has used America's tradition of religious tolerance to full advantage.

A study by the Council on American Islamic Relations says hundreds of new mosques have been built in the United States in the last 20 years. Estimates on the number of American Muslims vary widely, from three to eight million. Stephen Schwartz, author of The Two Faces of Islam, says we should not be alarmed by the growth of Islam in the United States, but by who controls it.

"I would say billions of dollars have been spent in the United States to advance Wahhabism," Schwartz said. "The Wahhabi sect, backed by Saudi Arabia, controls 70 to 80 percent of the mosques in the United States. That means they control the teaching, the preaching, the literature that's distributed, and they control the training of the Imams. They control all the Imams in the federal and state prisons, and they control the imams in the U.S. military. That is, they instruct, they indoctrinate and they certify the chaplains in the federal and state prison systems and in the military."

It is estimated that about 50% of all Muslims are sympathetic to the Wahhabi cause and have either donated to it or have supported it with their silence. Recent polls form the Muslim community say the over 50% of all Muslims do not see the Wahhabi's as evil and would not turn them in to the police if they knew something they were going to do was against the law.

Another poll says that almost 70% of all Muslims in America are Wahhabi and have taken a vow to make America 100% Muslim by 2050.

Never in Christianity has there been such a wide spread acceptance of such a hate group. Yes there are small minorities of Christians that would take up arms but never as wide spread as the Wahhabis. The polls show that if given a chance most Muslims would not join the group but support it with their silence and support it with their money.

As stated above over One Billion dollars has been spent by the Wahhabis to take over America and make it a Muslim state.


Posted by: Frederik

The quran is antisemitic. When the quran is antisemitic then how could muslims not also be antisemitic? Doesn't make much sense to me, maybe lukewarm muslims which do not take the quran this seriously but every real muslim takes the quran seriously.

http://en.wikipedia*****/wiki/Arabs_and_anti-Semitism


Posted by: perados

Dear Frederik,

I do not agree with you when you say that the quran is anitsemitic.
God is merely informing us of some of the transgressions of some of the children of israel, i.e. jews (worshipping the golden calf, not keeping sabbath, etc.) in the past.
We believe in David, Solomon, Aaron, Moses (peace be upon them all) as righteous messengers of God.

This is not antisemitic:

"As with all scriptures, passages in the Qur'an must be read within the proper context. The Qur'an was not just revealed to Muslims, but to all people, including Jews and Christians. Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was in the line of previous Prophets of God, including Prophets Abraham, Moses and Jesus, and the Qur'an is in the line of previous scriptures revealed by God. The Qur'an does not condemn the Semitic race and, in fact, accords Jews a special status given their shared prophetic traditions with Islam.

The Qur'an instead criticizes those Jews who turned away from God’s authentic message and admonishes those who scorned and ridiculed Prophet Muhammad and the message of the Qur'an. Such criticism is similar to the criticism against Jews found in other scriptures, including the Bible, and should be taken by all people as a reminder and warning against forsaking and straying from the authentic message of God. Such specific criticism has never been interpreted by learned scholars of the Qur'an to incite hatred against all Jewish people and should not be confused with anti-Semitism.

The Qur'an speaks extensively about the Children of Israel (Bani Isra'il) and recognizes that the Jews (al-Yahud) are, according to lineage, descendants of Prophet Abraham through his son Isaac and grandson Jacob. They were chosen by God for a mission (44:32) and God raised among them many Prophets and bestowed upon them what He had not bestowed upon many others (5:20). He exalted them over other nations of the earth (2:47, 122) and granted them many favors.

Passages in the Qur'an which criticize the Jews fall primarily into two categories. First, the Qur'an speaks of how some of the Children of Israel turned away from the authentic message revealed to them. They disobeyed God and showed ingratitude for God's favors on them. They lost the original Tawrat and introduced their own words and interpretations in the divine books. They became arrogant and claimed that they were God’s children and went about vaunting their position as His most chosen people (4:155; 5:13, 18).

They also brazenly committed sins and their rabbis and priests did not stop them from doing so (5:63, 79). God raised His Prophet Jesus among them so that he might show them several miracles and thereby guide them to the right path, but they rejected him, attempted to kill him, and even claimed that they had indeed killed him although they had not been able to do so (4:157, 158). God specifically addresses the Children of Israel in many of these passages. This is important, because it shows that the message of the Qur'an was intended for all people, including the Jews, and the criticism was directed against a specific group of people for their specific actions. This criticism should be distinguished from cursing a people merely because of their race.

The second type of criticism of the Jews is found in passages including those you referenced from Surah al-Ma’idah (5:60-64). These verses criticize the Jews and Christians who ridiculed Prophet Muhammad and his message. They made mockery and sport of his call to prayer, and they rebuked him even though he was calling them to believe in what God revealed to him and to what was revealed before him through their own Prophets. They became spiteful towards him and rejected him since he did not belong to the Children of Israel (2:109; 4:54).

The Qur'an specifically notes that such criticism is not directed against all Jews. Even when the Qur'an criticizes the Jews it always notes that "among them there are some..." who are pious and righteous people, who command what is right and forbid what is wrong and try to excel each other in acts of charity and goodness. The Qur'an says that such people are assured that whatever good they will do will not be denied them and they shall receive their reward with God (3:113-115). "

http://www************imagination**...nm/semitism.cgi

i hope this clarified some of the issues

peace

marianne


Posted by: Kainaij

I respect your opinion but I cannot agree with you in your agenda of hate and intolerance towards a significant segment of the world’s population. Regardless of who or what these people believe, I am an ardent believer in the power of prayer. Why not pray that these people whom you harbor a deep mistrust for? Pray that they can someday earn your trust and friendship. Preaching a message of mistrust, fear, and most importantly divisiveness will only fill the world with war mongering zealots, instead of peace loving neighbors.

It is my opinion that your agenda is targeting your membership and inducing their monetary contributions through fear. I find this reprehensible.


Posted by: son of God

kainaij i dont know if u was raised islamic we are on commen ground but our faith is so far away to say it the same lol our faith true christain do not supprt the kkk that was for the south to keep thier salve those people have twist the word thier much closer to what u belive kill the jew the christain and mix marrageis our FAther give us a choice free will to do his will or our own will and what i know of your faith if u dont do off the head beaten by your own family if some one rape a woman it her fault come now l live with at least 3 family and even talk to them but they say the same as u we are peaceful poeple well i said that maybe so buti told the father my hand will not be againts your family as long your is not againts my family until appoint time my Father say dont even greet u of not share the same gospal as ali say the same and i have try to get on web sit of islam my computer would not work there after when got wind of my faith all door shut so u all keep hideing behind your vails Son of God AKA SERVANT


Posted by: Frederik

If you want to see the face of Islam then just take a look at my thread "the Islam is sooo peaceful"
It's so peaceful that even their children are full of hatred....


Posted by: Kainaij

son of God:

I don't beleive it matters at all what I believe. Maybe I'm neither Christian nor Islamic? I am a human just like you on this round ball we call home. Why not preach words of peace, rather than hatred. If its not provoking christianity's farfetched underdog protectionist attitude, this sites agenda is that of "putting the fear of god" into you in regards to the Islamic community. Rallying around an easy target, saying they're bad and here is why you should pay us to teach these heathens the word of our god.

Frederik:

Why should I read your post? I am going to guess that it will be an attempt to tell me why to hate another segement of the worlds population. I choose not to read.

To All:

Thank you all whom have followed this thread. This will be my last post here. I wish you all the best and may you each fill your lives with peace, love, and happiness.


Posted by: faith rising

I don't know much about the Muslim faith or their beliefs. I do however, know a Muslim family who is very kind and peace loving. I believe that Islam was intended to be peaceful at one time, but some radicals have made it not so. Kainaij, I know what you are saying about the KKK. There are many white supremacy groups who claim to be Christians. Jesus would never advocate white men and women murdering African-Americans or Jews because of the color of their skin or religion. Like I said, I don't know much about Islam, but from what I've seen recently, it's not too peaceful right now. I am not going to judge the faith as a whole based on the acts of terrorists. That would be like telling atheists it's ok to judge all Christians based on David Koursh's actions.

Instead of judging, I am going to pray that Islam embraces Jesus. In Jesus there is true peace. God is the only God. Allah isn't God. You may be offended by this, but I will not deny God. I will not be a second Peter.


Posted by: Leonardo

I wrot the following to a Muslim friend:

To equate the "God" of the Muslems with the God of the Christians is stretching the imagination, and is false, since the God of the Christians is a God of Love who gave His only begotten Son that we, who are hopeless sinners, might be saved; whereas your God says, in effect, you can earn your way to paradise by being 51% good, and if you are not sure of how your deeds weigh in the balance (as I understand your scripture to say about Mohammed), and are afraid that you may possibly have done more evil than good; you can always go on a Jihad and kill a few non-believers, especially Christians and Jews; and automatically earn a place in paradise with a harem. These positions are irreconcilable, one must be right and the other patently wrong, for there is no in-between for these beliefs.

Please note the following excerpts from the Koran. I have tried to copy them exactly, as they are your sacred scriptures. I have, however, noted certain phrases with asterisks, to point out those areas which appear contrary to the teachings of Jesus.

9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the
idolaters wherever you find them, and ****take them captives and
besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush****, then
if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave
their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful
9.28] O you who believe! the ****idolaters are nothing but
unclean****, so they shall not approach the Sacred Mosque after
this year; and if you fear poverty then Allah will enrich you out
of His grace if He please; surely Allah is Knowing Wise.

[9.29] ****Fight those who do not believe in Allah****, nor in
the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle
have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those
who have been given the Book, ****until they pay the tax in
acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of
subjection.****[9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the
Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the
words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who
disbelieved before***may Allah destroy them****; how they are
turned away!

[9.34] O you who believe! most surely many of the doctors of law
and the monks eat away the property of men falsely, and turn
(them) from Allah's way; and (as for) those who hoard up gold and
silver and do not spend it in Allah's way, announce to them a
painful chastisement,

[9.35] On the day when it shall be heated in the fire of hell,
then ****their foreheads and their sides and their backs shall be
branded with it****; this is what you hoarded up for yourselves,
therefore taste what you hoarded.

[5.33] The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His
apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this,
that ****they should be murdered**** or ****crucified**** or
****their hands and their feet should be cut off**** on opposite
sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace
for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a
grievous chastisement

5.38] And (as for) the man who steals and the woman who steals,
****cut off their hands**** as a punishment for what they have
earned, an exemplary punishment from Allah; and Allah is Mighty,
Wise.

[5.51] O you who believe! ****do not take the Jews and the
Christians for friends****; they are friends of each other; and
whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is
one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people

[8.65] O Prophet! ****urge the believers to war****; if there are
twenty patient ones of you they shall overcome two hundred, and
if there are a hundred of you they shall overcome a thousand of
those who disbelieve, because they are a people who do not
understand

Compare these to the commands of Jesus:

Matthew 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them
that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them
which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Luke 6:27 But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do
good to them which hate you,
Colossians 3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew,
circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor
free: but Christ is all, and in all.

John 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another;
as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

John 13:35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye
have love one to another.

MT 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
MT22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
MT 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
MT 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
MT 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

As you can see we are far apart, and I must repeat that it appears that you have denied all that was written of Jesus and have totally rejected Him and His teachings and must also believe that He and/or all of His followers were liars.
I am a simple believer in His word, of which He said He spoke, not of himself but that which the Father, told Him to speak. Being neither a religious scholar, preacher, teacher, nor one who has attended a theological school of any sort; I know in whom I believe; and while you may not choose to believe it, I have personally experienced "His" presence and know from that experience and several others He has given me, that He is a God of love and that He loves all of His children, including Muslims. I also know that His word teaches that those who reject the Son of God, which Jesus was, also reject His father, Our God. May I again repeat His words given above: "36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Perhaps, if you read "Tht Signature of God", without prejudice, or studied the recently publicized "Bible codes", with an open mind, you too may find yourself giving more thought to the teachings of Jesus.

May the true God guide your path and mine.

Leonardo


Posted by: Kainaij

Quote:
Originally Posted by faith rising
Instead of judging, I am going to pray that Islam embraces Jesus. In Jesus there is true peace. God is the only God. Allah isn't God. You may be offended by this, but I will not deny God. I will not be a second Peter.


I will tell you what to pray for; pray for peace and pray for understanding of your neighbor. Telling an Islamic person to embrace Jesus is like telling a cold war American to pray to become a communist. You will only anger them.

I understand somewhat about what Christianity says towards "false gods", but why not try trusting your moral instinct. You may surprise yourself at the answer you happen upon.


Posted by: whome?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kainaij
I respect your opinion but I cannot agree with you in your agenda of hate and intolerance towards a significant segment of the world’s population. Regardless of who or what these people believe, I am an ardent believer in the power of prayer. Why not pray that these people whom you harbor a deep mistrust for? Pray that they can someday earn your trust and friendship. Preaching a message of mistrust, fear, and most importantly divisiveness will only fill the world with war mongering zealots, instead of peace loving neighbors.

It is my opinion that your agenda is targeting your membership and inducing their monetary contributions through fear. I find this reprehensible.

if you respected his opinon you wouldnt say to a servent of Jesus christ that he has an agenda of hate.if you knew christ you would know that,he has the love of christ in him,you are kinda of out of line saying that in my opinion.
I am praying for you.
-Blake


Posted by: Kainaij

Quote:
Originally Posted by Leonardo
.......since the God of the Christians is a God of Love who gave His only begotten Son that we, who are hopeless sinners, might be saved; whereas your God says, in effect, you can earn your way to paradise............

My god? Please do not assume Leonardo that I am of the Islamic faith.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Leonardo
..........(verbosity snipped for sake of brevity)....it appears that you have denied all that was written of Jesus and have totally rejected Him and His teachings and must also believe that He and/or all of His followers were liars.

The basis upon your argument hinges on the assumption that I am Islamic. Be careful on your assumptions, they can only weaken an argument and make you look like an....assumption giver.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Leonardo
........(verbosity snipped for sake of brevity).......Being neither a religious scholar, preacher, teacher, nor one who has attended a theological school of any sort......(verbosity snipped for sake of brevity).......Perhaps, if you read "Tht Signature of God", without prejudice, or studiedthe recently publicized "Bible codes"

You have studied these books? Isn't that the definition of what a scholar does?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Leonardo
May the true God guide your path and mine.


It is only through the attempts of people who have preceded us to define the higher power or a "true god", have we segmented the world’s population. Would the world be so full of war if there was no religions? It is a very simplistic idea for sure, but there is some merit to allowing yourself the indulgence of following that thought.



Defining our higher power has only segmented all of us.


Posted by: Kainaij

Quote:
Originally Posted by whome?
if you respected his opinon you wouldnt say to a servent of Jesus christ that he has an agenda of hate.if you knew christ you would know that,he has the love of christ in him,you are kinda of out of line saying that in my opinion.
Just because I disagree with him does not make me awful. I respect his opinion, as I hope he does mine as well. I am not retreating from what I wrote in reply to your "servant of Jesus christ".

It is your opinion that I was "kinda of out of line", and I will respect that as well.
Quote:
Originally Posted by whome?
I am praying for you.
-Blake
Thank you Blake.


Posted by: Christian Commando

Kainaij- I guess my questions are- 1- Why do any people out in the world want to believe in doctrines that do not have the proof that God's Word has, of being around the longest?

There are old documentations found in several forms, showing God's Word has been around for milleniums, where all others no more than 1,000 years, if that?

2- Why would many of them have doctrinal beliefs that relate so closely to God's Word, yet deny many of the Truths of God, proving they are not believing in the same god, even tho claim so, as the God of Christianity?

3- Why are there so many religions out there claiming that they have "extra Biblical revelations" of Christianitie's God, yet thier teachings in that literature never coincides with God's Word?

For instance- "Book of Mormon"- "Another Test. of Jesus Christ"- In there, Joseph Smith copied God's Word nearly identical for parallels in people, events, teachings and more, yet they were set on a stage for on another Continent with a seperate group of people.

they use a lame claim that somewhere between 700-600 B.C. the sons of the main Charactors married the daughters of a major Charactor in God's Word. Yet, I would like to know, if this were true, why is it not shown in God's Word this happened, in order to validate this other "Testament" of christ?

God's Word declares instead, that when His Word- (The Bible alone as we know It today) was finished by God, that was it. He declared anyone who tried to add to It or subtract from It would recieve the punishments found in God's Word or never recieve Salvation.

Where the Muslim religion is concerned, they've gone even further in thier claims of following the same God Christianity does, by adding violent acts in the covenant for this era, that Christianity's God does not ascribe to. (look at the quotes in "Leonardo's" post for example).

Now, if you want to discuss just how civil either religion is, yes, theres violent groups seen within both religions. but, God's Word alone, has the most amount of proof It has existed forever, plus It, unlike many others, do not direct it's people to be violent, as does the Muslim one. (As seen by above listing).

The violence found in any religion that does not teach violence, comes from the Born in sin nature" of man since the fall from Grace with God. But, it's quite another, to try and defend a religion that actually teaches it's followers to be violent.

If you look back into each "Cult religion", you will find, they had some "root beginning" from someone who took certain teachings of God's Word and interpreted them to say and mean what they wanted, not what God's Word declares.

The Mormons again- they believe Jesus Christ was never around "from old, from everlasting", but He was actually "God's first creative act". In other words, a "created god".

Muslim's claim that Jesus Christ was only a prophet, a man, not "God in the flesh".

Understand how they parallel God's Word in showing reverance to Jesus, yet change the belief to deny the diety of Christ that God's Word claims of Him?

I can compare this right down the line with most main line cult religions and prove how some person who started each of these false religions probably disagreed with main Christian doctrinal beliefs and sat down with God's Word and wrote out thier own satanically influenced, man concieved beliefs in order to follow what they believe is true.

God originally gave man his Word to be lived by, thus satan, "the great imitator" also has his false ones. God has Prophets in His "Body of Christ", satan also has his false prophets. God has His Apostles, just like satan has his false ones. Etc, etc.

I will say this tho also, cult religions are much more strict of thier followers adhereing to thier beliefs. thus, it's no wonder, with teachings like shown above, the Muslim followers are more agressive and violent against those following other ones.

you can use the excuses all you want of more intense groups than the majority, but the fact remains, the evidence is in thier false doctrine that teaches them violence as part of thier general doctrine.

Thanks-


Posted by: Kainaij

Quote:
Originally Posted by Christian Commando
1- Why do any people out in the world want to believe in doctrines that do not have the proof that God's Word has, of being around the longest?
By your reasoning then we should all be praying to egyptian gods such as Set, Osiris, Ra, etc.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Christian Commando
There are old documentations found in several forms, showing God's Word has been around for milleniums, where all others no more than 1,000 years, if that?
Just because the documentation or "proof" is the oldest, does that make it right? I do not profess to know the answer to that, but again by that logic do I then believe medical journals of a hundred year ago or the ones of today?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Christian Commando
2- Why would many of them have doctrinal beliefs that relate so closely to God's Word, yet deny many of the Truths of God, proving they are not believing in the same god, even tho claim so, as the God of Christianity?
Wha? I'm going to try to decipher this one. Your asking why do those guys write stuff similar to what we wrote about on our guy, and then deny what we wrote, then that proves their guy is wrong?

Not gonna touch that one. To me this is just rhetoric.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Christian Commando
3- Why are there so many religions out there claiming that they have "extra Biblical revelations" of Christianitie's God, yet thier teachings in that literature never coincides with God's Word?
Maybe they're using religion to further their own agendas? Nah, that'd be just completely wrong.

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I am not posting here to make you question your belief. I am here to promote peace and thought. Peace cannot be had when two juggernauts are butting head like this. Why must you foist your religion upon others? Why do they do the same? Why can't either one of you be content with the global congregations each of you have and not look at what the others have and wish you had more. Why not stop and focus on making each of your congregational neighbors better people rather that focusing on global domination of who has the best god and most followers?

We all know that's not going to happen, but ain't it a romantic thought? That each of the worlds religions turned their focus inwards and couldn't care less about recruiting another member?


Posted by: son of God

well iam sorry uare unable to come in the chat room chat man to man but that how most muslims would be if it doesnt benfit them wow go stay away and hide or come by force or in the name of peace but that just a cover for
a hiden agenda. most of ur brother prey amouned weaker nations or countrys and they take it by force.and u claim this site is teach us how to hate muslims religion and its poeple which twisted word this site is for the ones to pray for whatever needs brother and sister needs. iam woundering why u even come back to the site.as i said yesterday emailing u i know for a fact that u have agenda in the U.S.A. i would die for this country but not for this goverment if u think we belive everthing our country tell us greatly mistaken it just a matter of time u all will strike this country more than half the muslims are waiting for the go ahead it sad u all belive in god that is dead.we do not chande poeple to become christians the LORDJESUS CHRIST BY THE HOLY SPIRIT does that work we just share the word we do not force anything on anybody as u do with your woman and your weaker men if they are not in line with the islamic law you kill them why if u write me back and it not true your a lier and not real then my book your punk and woman cant even call yourself a man if u cant stand on what u belive then ur punk and woman it come out your mouth why try to tell u the gosiple something about
cold war about are gov but it funny that thier talking abouy the possibltiy
if was runninr this country all u be deporty back to once u come u called it hate i called watching out for my own.a most dont like mne on this site any way cause i dont belive the way they belive lukewarm iam not and we allow u up in here i have to other islamic web site to preach peace and love it sad that u think that we all about love and peace and they bouted me out and my computer all kind of crazy stuff then it stop working and u can not belive what JG wrote and it true think we are stuip think we just be at our computer praying all day.many poeple upin this site know what going in the world and around us are ABBA tells us to be as wise as the snake but gentle as a dove am sorry but u are following satain agenda but think all for GOD ur all beliveing a lie i challage u to read the word of God from to front to back if not now later u shall bend your knee to LORD JESUS CHRIST AND THE FATHER OF ALLMINGTY servant


Posted by: whome?

I have a question who is muhammad to a muslim?


Posted by: son of God

Iam sorry that u could make in that room to chat man to manno matter.lets be real about whats what u state that we have agenda what peace we as a poeple of USA have never started any war in any part of the world get it sraight we have been ask to help nations or countrys in their time of need so it like this usaid in ur last post to me was what does it matter what u belive that very true muslim or christianty let say for me that i had no beliefs
cain and able weir bothers and the other one killed the other why cause the one brother had a better offering.So cain ran away so if other poleple are killing off other for thier own agendas and ur cool with that when they can not stand up on thier own like some of your poeple suffer on a daily if woman gets rape what happens she dead if the woman looks at a another
man something young girls cannot go to school unless they have big money
or the man of the house is some kinda head of a moses then u have poeple
driveing cars susicided bomber killing thier own cause they want change muslimpay thier taxes allai they would like to have food to every night and take care of thier family but no the other muslim go off and kill them off
in some house hold thier more the one wife that must not do to well with the woman so tell me is that love or lust and then they look at the flithe in other country then they have the same problems as any one else we all have as human as ur word well then me myself have lust greed hatered murdeir lier
drukerd and a fighter and u have the same feeling we all do but i die to self daily worship my Abba utold preach peace u would not recive it cause i would speak the truth the truth JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY TO GOD NOT ALLAI OR WHATEVER THE NAME now a christian country help out the other country send food .money doctor and the word of God and it itis not force on us unlike muslims the truth is much better than the lie in what ur all beliveing in a dead God ipost one other one so rewort it we as a poeple
we as christian we pray for each other and if any get out of line we restore them not kill them for thier wrong it called grace mercy love when one hurts we all hurt and when one rejoce we all rejoce what of muslim and islamiiment law . servant


Posted by: Christian Commando

Kainaij- Yes, the Egyptians have evidence of thier existance for milleniums back also. But, if look at thier religious doctrine, there are multiple gods who each had control over some part of our physical world. My question is- where did they come from?

do you realize, those false gods have control over seperate parts of our world, who our one and only True God originally created?

Secondly- you used science in thier medical field of knowledge from years ago as an analogy to God's Word for believing in It. Not a good example my friend. Why?

1- Medical journals were written by men, from knowledge they learned on thier own over the centuries, which is why doctors or researchers have to constantly change thier beliefs as they learn.

2- God's word hasn't changed in nearly 6,000 years, God has given It to man.

3- God declared His Word is God spoken- inspired, where Medical journals are fully man concieved from thier own research, not god inspired.

4- There is evidence from archeological digs and ancient literary finds, to prove all Prophecies of God's Word, to-date, have been fulfilled.

Rehtoric- Have you ever noticed satan is well known as the "great imitator" of God? If look closely, satan has started all false doctrines believing in false gods, based from the one and only True God and His Word, to make it appear they are fesible.

Why? If God's Word were not fully accurate and True, why try to imitate It then with all these other false ones? You are right. Satan has influenced unsaved people to come up with religious doctrines believing in other gods than the only True One, in order to glorify satan, not God the Father.

Well, I could be wrong, but do not see where I have discented upon anyone in a negative way here. If have, forgive me. My purpose is not to convince anyone to believe in what I do either.

God expects us to be witnesses of Him for others to see and hear. thus, I only share God's Word and leave it up to others to decide wether to believe or not.

But, a clear point made by another does show unrefutable evidence the religious doctrine of Islam clearly speaks of violent acts against particular groups. I wouldn't try to claim references to that evidence as putting others down, but only showing what is being tried to be defended here in a spirit of peace clearly cannot be defended when the doctrine itself contradicts that belief.

thank you and God Bless!! BTW- Be careful not to be judgemental of others for coming down on anyone else, or you are putting yourself at thier level. God declares we are to leave judging people, to God. Otherwise, He will judge us for that.


Posted by: Christian Commando

Kainaij-






An extra note- I suggest you might want to readjust your thinking about who started the "put downs" of others on this thread. Notice yours of Christianity and this site, when you started this thread.

If you want to have a peaceful nonhypocritical discussion about a topic with others, be sure to keep your own speech in the same order. There were certainly much better ways to have presented your discussion topic than starting out with offensive remarks. That first post of yourse certainly was not demonstrating a seeking to discuss or even correct, with love, compassion or peace.

Thank you!!


Posted by: Kainaij

Quote:
Originally Posted by Christian Commando
Kainaij-

An extra note- I suggest you might want to readjust your thinking about who started the "put downs" of others on this thread. Notice yours of Christianity and this site, when you started this thread.

If you want to have a peaceful nonhypocritical discussion about a topic with others, be sure to keep your own speech in the same order. There were certainly much better ways to have presented your discussion topic than starting out with offensive remarks.
I was willing to not reply to your second last post which was full of a lot of words. Except at the end of course when you extended a blessing in which I willingly took. Thank you for that.

You last post however refers to put downs of which I cannot find. If you refer to the KKK remark, it is no secret that that organization twisted Christianity’s monotheistic doctrine to justify their actions. That's a fact.

Or was it my questioning of "Pastor Jerry" and his ethics? I did not take kindly to his attempt to tell me why to hate another group of people, whom I've never met. In my opinion that is evil. If you disagree then that is your opinion and I will respect it, as I hope you do mine.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Christian Commando
That first post of yourse certainly was not demonstrating a seeking to discuss or even correct, with love, compassion or peace.
But it did make you think though, right?

Might I ask you a question? What is your opinion of Pastor Jerry's reply to my post? Tell me what you really think. Don't worry; if he has god in his heart Jerry won't get mad at anything you say either.

If you choose to reply to me, I ask you talk straight with me rather than barrage me with a pile of empty blather.


Posted by: bill & alexis

Kainaij,

Hello! I was reading a few of the posts here, and saw something, which caught my eye, and was praying about how to respond...

You seem to have all the intellectual answers, yet are lacking the wisdom, and discernment, to state your case.

If I may ask, what is the point of your visit?

You said:

Quote:
Or was it my questioning of "Pastor Jerry" and his ethics? I did not take kindly to his attempt to tell me why to hate another group of people, whom I've never met. In my opinion that is evil. If you disagree then that is your opinion and I will respect it, as I hope you do mine.
You come speaking peace, and tolerance, yet bear fruit opposite of your stated goals.

I do not see how Pastor Jerry is propagating evil. He is a man of Love, truth, and peace. I have never heard him preach anything hateful/evil!

You speak ill of a man who's ministry bears much evidence of the Power, and Glory, of God. (I am talking about healings, deliverances, prophetic words, etc. AUTHENTICALLY OF GOD!)

I do not know of one person whom Muhammad had healed! He is called a prophet, yet I do not know of any prophetic words he gave which came true! One cannot be a prophet is their words fall-to-the-ground, and never come-to-pass!

Kainaij, what prophetic word/message did Muhammad ever give that came true?

We, as Christians, accept Jesus as our LORD, and saviour. He spoke prophetically in the Bible, and His words always came to pass! (Except, the ones of His second-coming, which obviously did not happen yet...) The Quran accepts Jesus as a prophet! Jesus spoke prophetic words that were true, and came true!

What did Muhammad speak that came true?

Kainaij, when you die, and go into eternity - where will you honestly end-up?

I ask these questions to provoke thought, because the true reason you were compelled to even visit this site, was from a nudge/prompting of the Holy Spirit!

You are not here to defend the Muslim faith - you don't even know enough about it to make an argument! If you would be honest before God, you know I am speaking truth...

Soo, if you truely want to know if Jesus is God, we can show/prove it to you. If you came to speak of peace, and your actions contradict your mouth - leading to more debate, and the cursing of God's anointed. You will have no quarter amongst believers who discern the enemies tricks & traps.

We are called to Love people, but hate sin. Some of the things mentioned in this thread are blatant sin. This is not my judgment, this is according to the Word of God. We love you as a person, but will draw the line with you calling our Shepherd evil!

Soo, what is your answer? Do you TRULY want to find out, or do you want to run around in endless circles of intellectual going nowhere debate?'

The choice is yours, and I do not care either way, since the decision is yours, and not mine...

Be in peace, and continue seeking truth, and righteousness!
Semper Fi!
-Bill


Posted by: Kainaij

Quote:
Originally Posted by bill & alexis
Kainaij,

Hello! I was reading a few of the posts here, and saw something, which caught my eye, and was praying about how to respond...

You seem to have all the intellectual answers, yet are lacking the wisdom, and discernment, to state your case.

If I may ask, what is the point of your visit?

You said:

You come speaking peace, and tolerance, yet bear fruit opposite of your stated goals.

I do not see how Pastor Jerry is propagating evil. He is a man of Love, truth, and peace. I have never heard him preach anything hateful/evil!
Bear fruit? Friend whatever it is that I'm bearing isn't anything close to being as pleasant as fruit. This is not a matter to be taken so lightly. You asked a good question though, what is the point of my posting here? I remember exactly why. I came here almost accidentally and I saw a front "portal" page that was smothered with both calls for prayer (good) and a barrage of information giving the visitor reasons to hate another group of people (very bad).

Take a look at an excerpt of Pastor Jerry’s reply to me:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pastor Jerry
Another poll says that almost 70% of all Muslims in America are Wahhabi and have taken a vow to make America 100% Muslim by 2050.

Never in Christianity has there been such a wide spread acceptance of such a hate group. Yes there are small minorities of Christians that would take up arms but never as wide spread as the Wahhabis. The polls show that if given a chance most Muslims would not join the group but support it with their silence and support it with their money.

As stated above over One Billion dollars has been spent by the Wahhabis to take over America and make it a Muslim state.
The reply he gave me gradually deteriorated into insinuating that most all Muslims supports terrorists and that they have a "plan" to convert the entire USA to Islam? Wow!

Really, what does this do to you? First of all, if you are not able to think for yourself these types of statements will MAKE YOU SCARED! They make you feel uneasy about your place in the USA (which I'll assure you is not going to be converted any century soon) and promote mistrust towards your east Indian looking neighbors. By being made to fear, your are puddy in the hand of whomever has made you feel this way. Giving money and whatever else this person asks of you. It is sad. Sad because there are people who ardently defend and propagate this behavior.

You ask why I post? I post here because I want people to think before they blindly follow a doctrine that teaches to hate others. I would feel much more at ease if Jerry "tended to his own flock" rather than telling you why to hate the flock next door.


Posted by: Christian Commando

My point exactly Kainaij- the first you spoke was down on christianity, about the KKK killing negros in it's name, yet you turn around and speak down about the Pastor, when he shows evidence in national polls about Muslims.

How is it you claim your remarks were not offensive to God and Christianity, yet claim the Pastor's evidence he reported finding, is his deteriorating of remarks getting worse? (as in offensive?)

As Bill showed, you are going to have to get your story strait my friend. From what I noticed, the Pastor only shared a pile of evidence that proved how violent and against peace, those people really are.

Bill is right on the nose with you about "fruit". It appears to me from your responce to him, you got involved with this site to start arguments, not true peaceful discussions as you claimed- "Friend, whatever it is that I'm bearing, isn't anything close to being as pleasant as fruit".

Thus, I ask, if you were to offer to speak of this topic in a true mature adult way, (peaceful) with balance of understanding for both sides, I will be willing to exchange conversation with you. Otherwise, there is no reason to, as you apparently believe you can say remarks that could easily be taken as offensive we are to accept and not put down, yet you be able to put down others, concerning remarks they made, that are no more or less offensive than yours.

If we are blindly following a doctrine that teaches hate towards others, where are the Scriptures of God's New covenant to prove this? As for the Muslim religion, go back to the first page and look at that poster's list of Muslim religion direct teachings of hating and commanded to kill others.

The problem here tho is, you are not understanding you stated yourself the KKK twisted the meaning of christianity, where between Pastor Jerry supplying nationally known evidence, as well as the other poster who showed direct violent commands given from the Muslim doctrine, this is not proof of twisting of the Muslim religion, but what they actually believe and teach.

No offense intended, but would suggest, if want to defend a religion, try choosing a topic that is of good report for them, not negative. As for proof, look at the evidence just in this run of posts.

It's not so wise to defend a people following a doctrine that is proven to teach violence, as not being violent. (Particularly when evidence proves they are operating violently).

Thank you for your time.

BTW- Why don't you take a gander at the thread called- "Muslim Ministers teaching thier congregations to kill" when you visit next. I think you'll find the report at the web link very interesting, given in the very first post.

What I feel badly about is the blindness of those trying to fight battles that are already lost, as in your case.

Love you my friend-


Posted by: Kainaij

Quote:
Originally Posted by Christian Commando
My point exactly Kainaij- the first you spoke was down on christianity, about the KKK killing negros in it's name, yet you turn around and speak down about the Pastor, when he shows evidence in national polls about Muslims.

Tell you what, if I had a time machine to go into the future and read what Pastor Jerry was going to reply to it, then maybe I would've wrote my original post differently. But then again, would he have responded differently? Therefore negating your need to write this response to my 8th posting in this thread. And if that's the case, who would have been posting here? Well you see I don't have a time machine, and unless you can supply one for me I can't change my original post. Therefore we are stuck here in the discussion at hand.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Christian Commando
Bill is right on the nose with you about "fruit". It appears to me from your responce to him, you got involved with this site to start arguments, not true peaceful discussions as you claimed- "Friend, whatever it is that I'm bearing, isn't anything close to being as pleasant as fruit".

Fruit = Original thought. I ask for nothing more, nothing less. I came here, not to start an argument but to start a discussion. You are the first to define this thread as an argument and I disagree. That is your opinion, and that is ok with me.


Posted by: Christian Commando

Kainaij- You know, one of the traits God expects us to show is humility in realizing when we do something not quite right and seek forgiveness for it.

Well, what would you call this, knowing mostly the last half of postings between all posting here, were more about the feelings attained from responces, than the original topic?

All Pastor Jerry did, was to present well known evidence and explain alittle with questions also to you, and you took it offensively according to earlier postings.

Fact is, if look at the evidence, you should've known better than to start this, as the evidence was so well nationally known, point being, we are far from the only sight showing and speaking about this situation.

while you may take that offensive for what is seen on the opening page, you may not realize, other christian sites are totally devoted to this situation and possibly others that either demonstrate more violence or even teach it like the muslim religion.

Since you are of neutral faith, since you claim neither christian or Muslim, I ask why say anything at all, since it appears you were not very well prepared to speak about this, for lack of knowledge about thier doctrinal teachings or the well known filmed evidence of proof of doctrinal teachings seen in actions?

Also, if you think what we show here is offensive for the amount we speak against Muslim religion, just check out other sites that go very deeply into the teachings and evidence of thier beliefs, methods of it and more thats much more extensive than ours goes, which shows a whole lot worse picture of Muslims than we do.

The evidence is clearly documented and thus, you haven't really got a leg to stand on in defense of that religion, from the approach you are taking.

From what I've witnessed of postings up to this point is that, you may have chosen to try going against our site because we had that segment about muslims on the front page, thinking we would probably be more on your level of understanding the true situation. instead, I suggest you found Pastor Jerry and others here, have much more backround in researching that subject and now you find you are ill equiped to deal with it, which mean't switching to descenting remarks, to get our attention off the original point here.

The fact you chose to defend a religion against our showing it's violent side, when you didn't realize they actually state to believe in violent thinking and acts in thier doctrine, you were clearly not prepared for this exchange.

Thus, unless you address the question I posed to you as to why are you defending a religion for our showing thier violence, when they teach it in doctrinal beliefs and even to congregations? There is really no reason to continue this exchange otherwise, as I grow tired of the hedging away from the original point of your posting.

My friend, you can put this site and it's people down all you want about the portrayal of muslim violence, but truth be known, there are few who will honestly back anyone who tries to defend the muslim religion of it being nonviolent, according to evidence thats well known proving thier doctrine and teachings teach violence to thier followers.

I wish you all the best in coming to an understanding of the Truth of God for this.


Posted by: bill & alexis

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kainaij
Bear fruit? Friend whatever it is that I'm bearing isn't anything close to being as pleasant as fruit. This is not a matter to be taken so lightly. You asked a good question though, what is the point of my posting here? I remember exactly why. I came here almost accidentally and I saw a front "portal" page that was smothered with both calls for prayer (good) and a barrage of information giving the visitor reasons to hate another group of people (very bad).

Take a look at an excerpt of Pastor Jerry’s reply to me:

The reply he gave me gradually deteriorated into insinuating that most all Muslims supports terrorists and that they have a "plan" to convert the entire USA to Islam? Wow!

Really, what does this do to you? First of all, if you are not able to think for yourself these types of statements will MAKE YOU SCARED! They make you feel uneasy about your place in the USA (which I'll assure you is not going to be converted any century soon) and promote mistrust towards your east Indian looking neighbors. By being made to fear, your are puddy in the hand of whomever has made you feel this way. Giving money and whatever else this person asks of you. It is sad. Sad because there are people who ardently defend and propagate this behavior.

You ask why I post? I post here because I want people to think before they blindly follow a doctrine that teaches to hate others. I would feel much more at ease if Jerry "tended to his own flock" rather than telling you why to hate the flock next door.
Kainaij,
Hello my friend, I am sorry to say, but you have discerned incorrectly...

You Said:
Quote:
Bear fruit? Friend whatever it is that I'm bearing isn't anything close to being as pleasant as fruit.


I am sorry to hear that...I hope your actions start bearing witness to the glory of God in your life...

You also said:
Quote:
I came here almost accidentally and I saw a front "portal" page that was smothered with both calls for prayer (good) and a barrage of information giving the visitor reasons to hate another group of people (very bad).


There are no "accidents," I believe a sovereign God had led you here...As you might have noticed this is a site dedicated to prayer, and it's the largest one in the World. If we are called to pray, which you admitted as being "Good," wouldn't believers need to know what to pray about? (Concerning terrorist groups, religious fanaticals, etc.)

I actually see a very common ploy of the enemy here to avert guilt, and blame the innocent party! We are here praying for peace within the world, and that the LORD's will be done, while there ARE some extremist islamic fundamentalists propagating fear/terror, which brings me to my next point...

You said:

Quote:

The reply he gave me gradually deteriorated into insinuating that most all Muslims supports terrorists and that they have a "plan" to convert the entire USA to Islam? Wow!

Really, what does this do to you? First of all, if you are not able to think for yourself these types of statements will MAKE YOU SCARED!


You just lost any intellectual advantage you have been feeling, in just that one statement. Since, I do not judge you, but I am allowed to judge your fruit/actions - your entire spirtual walk, and lack of discernment, have just been laid bare before me through the Holy Spirit.

I am a former U.S. Marine, and fear nothing, but God!

There are no men, or devils, by which you can frighten me! For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

No, my friend, you had just made a grievous error! Fear, and terror, are the means, and way that these very same islamic groups operate - the very ones you have chosen to champion!

The funny thing is - you don't even know you have lost the moral high-ground...

Now, on to more important matters. You seemingly have picked and choosed which questions you would like to answer...

Could you kindly give us an honest answer about these issues I stated in my previous post:

Kainaij, what prophetic word/message did Muhammad ever give that came true?

Kainaij, when you die, and go into eternity - where will you honestly end-up?

I assume you had inadvertently missed these questions, so I figured I would extend a friendly reminder...What is your honest answer to these questions?

Do not be offended by my post. I know you are here for a specific reason, and seeking answers to some of your questions. It is no "accident" that you here, and I truly welcome you!

You had mentioned Pastor Jerry tending to his own flock. Well, he is! This is his flock, that the LORD has given to him!

I will be praying for you to be blessed. Respond to those questions, they are the ones more important than those you had previously answered, and do so in a tone by which your actions will not be laid-bare before all on this board. A good rule of thumb is to always walk in Love!

Semper Fi!
-Bill





Posted by: whome?

I have another question about islam,they accepted jesus as a prophet right?what teachings does the kuran i cant spell sorry,keep that were his,or rather that they left out,and did they accept john the bapties as a prophet or leave him out to,I really want to know not trying to be a smart alleck.oh yea and if there is time could you tell me who muhhamad is to you I just thought he would be important since you came to this site as a representivie of that faith.with much love,
-Blake


Posted by: son of God

Frist I like to say sorry to Pastor JG and Brother and Sister for how it came aross it was done in love and but Iam not sorry for what I said just that I could have delivered it better but My Father has not given me that tapy of touge as yet. Please forgive me.

For u Kain aij u ask me to post my reply to u on this post i have so if u feel the need to reply please don the same. It not that i mind emails but when the one doing it can not repect the other we stright cool. U have said some knowleage of the christianty. did u know u faith come from the same book but belive Hagar an Egyptian maidservant of Sarai has not yet brone any children to Abram like the Father of our Faith.Sarai told Abramto go into Hagar in hope to start afamily though her well thing got nasty in the camp when Hagar was pregnant with Abram seed the frist saraget mother but it
was not good cause Hagar became a disobent maidservant and Sarai was"nt
haveing it. But the Angel of the LORD found Hagar near a spring in the desert
it was the spring that is beside the road to Shur. And he said Hagar servant of Sarai. Where have come from and where are you going . Iam running away
from my mistress Sarai she answered. Then the angle of the LORD told her to go back to your mistress and submitto her. the Angel added I will so increase your descendants that they will be too numerous to count.
The angel of the LORD also said to her

You are now with child and you will have a son you shall name him
Ishmael for the LORD has heard of your misery.
He will be a wild donkey of a man his hand will
be againts everyone and everyone hands against him
and he will live in hostility tward his brothers.

sound like Islame today and Ishmeal brother were jews and christians
and if his brothers of Islame dont not follow their laws or covernt to Jewish or Christian you are to kill them by off with the head it in your blood this just part one. Iam bring to u to check it get a bible read Gen 16 and 17 next one will be from chpter 25 of Gen my God tell me if i wish u any thing then partaker of ur sin I rather wash the sin from my hands instead of having it remain until next time servant aka son of God


Posted by: son of God

iam starting ver 7

Altogether Abraham lived a hundred and seventy-five years. Then Abraham breathed his last and died at good old age, an old man and full years:and he was gathered to his poeple. His sons Issac and Ishmeal buried him in a cave of Machpelah near Mamre in the field of Ephron son of Zohar the Hittites. There Abraham had buried with his wife Sarah . After Abraham death. God blessed his Issac. who lived near Beer Lahai Roi.

This is the account of Abraham's son Ishmeal whom sarah's maidservant
Hagar the Egyptian bore to Abraham.

These are the sons of Ishmeal listed in order of thier brith:Nebaioth the fristborn of Ishmeal Kedar,Adbeel,Mibsam,Mishma,Dumah,Massa,Hadad
Tema Jetur Naphish and Kedemah. These were the sons of Ishmael and
these are the name of the twevle tribal rulers according to thier settlements
and camps. Altogather Ishmeal lived a hundred and thirty-sevenyears.He breathed his last and died and he was gather to his poeple. His decendants settled in the area from Havilah to Shur near the border of Egypt as tou go toward asshur and lived in hostility toward all thier brothers.

sevant


Posted by: son of God

Pastor JG speak th truth walk in it . islam is our in public school teaching our school more so than Word of God. So u tell me what ups i notice the most attacks i get on my computer is when iam on this post just like your brother and your sister unlike my brother i belive u are her for reason but not to get to know our LORD just like but we are in last days i notice in profile u added your picture i think u need eat alot more popclyed. Just TOOK THE BLESSING OF GOD IT S SHAME HE DIDNT REPENT OF HIS HE ALLOWED BITTERNESS THAT WAS FROM HIS MOM INSTED OF REBUKEING HER HE ALLOWED TO SOLLOW HIM UP CAUSE THAT WHY THE ANGEL OF LORD SAID HE SAID ABOUT THE HANDS IF YOU GOING KEEP GOING YOU GOING TO HELL
AND ILL FIND OUT WHAT YOUR MOTHERING IN YOUR PHOTO YOU HAVE NOT REPLYBACK DO NOT BE SARRED SOME TIME THE TRUTH DOES THAT SEE I DONT MIND ANYONE FRONT ME CAUSE I WALK WITH CHRIST WHAT U GOING TO DO NOTHING


Posted by: Duhdeen

I suggest that you take another look at islam and about how 'peaceful' it REALLY is.

I do not agree with your opinon and believe that this islam/muslim stuff is truly FALSE TEACHING and in line with some pretty scary teaching. If islam is so great and the 'only' religion, well, then why do muslims try so desperately to get people to believe that this belief is 'so peaceful'? I believe in JESUS CHRIST that he is the WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIGHT! And NO ONE, and I do mean NO ONE, is going to try to convince me that islam is the 'real' truth--because it is NOT!!!

It is a false teaching.

Many blessings!




Posted by: safanabi

I read most of the posts in the past three pages, and it appears no one is a Muslim. The question, "Muslims, What do you think? has been rhetorical until now.

I am a Muslim, a member of the branch called "The Way." That means we also accept the original teachings of the church of Jesus Christ, when it was called "The Way." I say original, because the teachings of Jesus have changed since the Roman Catholic church. That church murdered, or threatened to murder those that would not convert to Catholicism. The Protestants stopped that horrid style of conversion, but the Protestants did not go all the way, and behave like the original Christians. Still they helped bring it back to some original values. We can see if the Protestants did not kill Catholics until a truce were made, that Catholicism would continue its practices, which only the Devil can duplicate by deed. They have to be kept in check, for they are a wolf, but today in sheep’s clothing, waiting to pounce on the world if given another chance.

So we have vestiges of that change, where Protestants, such as President Bush, will kill in order to protect their lives, property, and civil rights. Protestants will kill in order for Islam, like the Catholics, to stop killing Protestants, or those of other faiths. For hundreds of years there was really no other way. However, there is a better way to bring peace today.

Here is what Peter says about Muslims, and others that believe in God. Acts 10:34-35 "Then Peter opened his mouth and said: "In truth I perceive that God shows no partiality. "But in every nation whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him."

Most Christians read select areas in their Bible, and ignore all other verses that say the opposite of what most Christians believe. Many, but not all, hide from the truth, and make their religion like a cat, and mouse game. Muslims believe in God. Peter, who Jesus said his church is founded upon, says Muslims are saved so long as they are also righteous. However, what Peter says goes against almost 2 Billion people who currently say they are a Christian, and yet there it is in their Bible saying that today 2 Billion are a bit wrong, not completely wrong, but vestiges of the past errors are still here.

I hope you will read my web site, which talks about "The way." It shows how to stop killing in order to prevent murder. In it you will likely read some strange ideas, but eventually, if you keep reading it will not seem so strange anymore, and you should find a welcome relief from today’s problems.


http://home.earthlink.net/~donutnous/


Posted by: son of God

safanabi. on most part i agree with about most of my Brother and sister when it come to the word of God.that most use as a crutch or pick and choosen what apply for todays liveing for me the Whole of God applay for todays liveing and with Abba Father and my LORD Jesus Christ and the Work of the Holy Spirit i Put it in play with my Daily life. And to love all. I am Glad to here u speak as a bleliver OF Christ Jesus or is just God Whom u Seek with out Beliveing in christ satan san quout the Word of so must Belive in his son jesus is the only way the christ. u must Belive that Jesus is the Way the Truth and the lifeand truth.most