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Why Prayers Are In Vain

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Posted by: PRBot.Com

If your perfect god did exist prayers would be 100% useless.

Why? Perfection cannot be improved up thus nothing you could ever say to this perfect being would mean anything. Perfection cannot be improved upon so if your howse gets blown away and all your family gets killed, there is NOTHINg a perfect being could do about it just because you prayed in advance.

Diane


Posted by: JG

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Originally Posted by PRBot.Com
If your perfect god did exist prayers would be 100% useless.

Why? Perfection cannot be improved up thus nothing you could ever say to this perfect being would mean anything. Perfection cannot be improved upon so if your howse gets blown away and all your family gets killed, there is NOTHINg a perfect being could do about it just because you prayed in advance.

Diane


Thank you for post this here Diane I see you have found the
non-believers thread.

Thank you for joining our family. Because it is clear you
are not a believer I have reduced your membership
to non-believer status.
That means you can only post in the non-believers thread

I know you would never want to hurt anyone on purpose
but I must portect my sheep who are in need.

Pastor Jerry


Posted by: PRBot.Com

Hey, I understand completely. I am a business woman.


Just curious, why are you asking people to pray for you? Exactly how would that help? Would a god bent on causing destruction or allowing mother nature to cause it "change his mind" because of prayers? If yes, that god is not perfect

Perfection cannot be improved upon

Diane


Posted by: JG

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Originally Posted by PRBot.Com
Hey, I understand completely. I am a business woman.
Just curious, why are you asking people to pray for you? Exactly how would that help? Would a god bent on causing destruction or allowing mother nature to cause it "change his mind" because of prayers? If yes, that god is not perfect
Perfection cannot be improved upon
Diane


Dear Diane:

I am not sure you will understand but I will try. There are two Gods the one in heaven and the one here. The one here is satan. We gave him dominion when we sinned. He has dominion here if we give it to him. Jesus came to give that authority and dominion back to us.

When we pray we are going to the supreme authority in heaven and getting permission to exercise His authority here on earth. We as the third Adam give God permission to give life back where satan wants to give death.

So you see, Jesus came to give life, Satan came to give death. John 10:10 God the Father does not cause the death. Surrendering to the wrong dominion allows the death. God the Father wants to give life but his justice must be satisfied. A simple request (prayer) can satisfy God's justice. The word says you have not because you ask not. But we must ask His way not ours.

2CO 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.


Posted by: PRBot.Com

Yeah, well, that is a nice explanation if it makes you feel better but makes no sense to anyone who knows the Bible, and I know the Bible better than most so called "christians".

You can invent all sorts of doctrines and explanations because there is nothing anyone can do to prove you wrong since everything is open to interpretation.

In the Tenakh there is a "prophecy" which states that one will come in God's name to do away with the law and follow a new path. So if there were a true prophecy that one sure came true. But I am an atheist so the Bible is worthless to me. However, when it comes to debating with "christians" I can hold my own.

One thing which comes to mind is in YOUR "new testament" where it states that nothing happens without the knowledge and will of god, so I suppose you can lie all you like and mislead people all you like because god allows it anyway and there is nothing the blind can do about it since they are oblivious to it.

Furthermore, all the good and evil which takes place on earth is with the will and knowledge of "God" therefore god is not moved by prayers.

In another place god says "I do good and I create evil" so there you have it.

Diane


Posted by: ANOINTED WARRIOR

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Yeah, well, that is a nice explanation if it makes you feel better but makes no sense to anyone who knows the Bible, and I know the Bible better than most so called "christians".

You can invent all sorts of doctrines and explanations because there is nothing anyone can do to prove you wrong since everything is open to interpretation.

In the Tenakh there is a "prophecy" which states that one will come in God's name to do away with the law and follow a new path. So if there were a true prophecy that one sure came true. But I am an atheist so the Bible is worthless to me. However, when it comes to debating with "christians" I can hold my own.

One thing which comes to mind is in YOUR "new testament" where it states that nothing happens without the knowledge and will of god, so I suppose you can lie all you like and mislead people all you like because god allows it anyway and there is nothing the blind can do about it since they are oblivious to it.

Furthermore, all the good and evil which takes place on earth is with the will and knowledge of "God" therefore god is not moved by prayers.

In another place god says "I do good and I create evil" so there you have it.

Diane
Hi diane you say your an athiest but deep down in your heart you really know there is a God and you just dont want to serve him and this is the same with all those who are athiest. The truth of it all is this there is a God who's name is Jesus who loves you with all he has and for the truth to be told because I love you so much is you will have to stand in front of Jesus one day and tell him what you are telling us and that is no good. For if you tell him what you are telling us will only bring about his true and just judgments against you and you will be utterly cast into the lake of fire along with satan and his minions. You see hell is not made for man it is made for satan and all the fallen angels. Jesus has bridged the gap for mankind to cross over this bridge of the great divide called sin which has kept us from getting into heaven. In heaven there is no sin or unholiness and God himself is holy and pure in his character and will not allow one single drop of sin into heaven. Sin all occured from the fall of man in the garden of eden through adam and eve being decieved by the devil into eating an apple that God specifically said not to eat. So see there is now no excuse for mankind when Jesus has now made the way for man to be free from sin so they can enter into heaven which is by recieveing what he did on the cross for you into your heart by faith. You come to Jesus just as you are and dont try to fix anything and ask him to come into your heart. If you want to know if there is a God shout out to him and ask him to reveal himself to you, when he shows up you will have noticed he has already been knocking on the door of your heart this whole time waiting for you to ask him him to come in who's name is Jesus.. And the tug you feel on your heart after reading this that's Jesus whooing you to himself and is not giving up on you he loves you more than you can imagine..

Romans 3
23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God..

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Hi diane you say your an athiest but deep down in your heart you really know there is a God and you just dont want to serve him and this is the same with all those who are athiest.


Deep down I know with 100% certainty your god does not exist. Therefore you are a liar and for anyone to presume to know what someone else knows deep down is a farce at best. Its no wonder we atheists think of "believers" and such neurotics and inferior beings.

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The truth of it all is this there is a God who's name is Jesus who loves...
The truth of it all is that is what you believe and that in itself does not make it "the truth" of anything but the belief of a bunch of neurotics.

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...you with all he has and for the truth to be told because I love you so much is you will have to stand in front of Jesus one day and tell him what you are telling us and that is no good.


LOL! You people believe out of fear. You have been brainwashed with a lie based on fear. Guess what? fear tactics do not work on the intelligent.

I can't imagine being part of such idiots.

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For if you tell him what you are telling us will only bring about his true and just judgments against you and you will be utterly cast into the lake of fire along with satan and his minions.


Perfect example why god cannot exist. No "perfect" being would subscribe to this sort of monstrocity. Nobody deserves to be tortured for any amount of time for any reason. Too bad you monsters exist because without you this world would be far more advanced.

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You see hell is not made for man it is made for satan and all the fallen angels.


You see, you are too stupid to realize what you just said.

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Jesus has bridged the gap for mankind to cross over this bridge of the great divide called sin which has kept us from getting into heaven.


Whatever! You keep believing this garbage, just don't call it truth because truth is far from your mind.

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In heaven there is no sin or unholiness and God himself is holy and pure in his character and will not allow one single drop of sin into heaven.


You don't know what is in heaven. You have never been there and have no proof such a place exists so stop talking about a place you have never seen. Ok? You people are so dishonest its pathetic.

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Sin all occured from the fall of man in the garden of eden through adam and eve being decieved by the devil into eating an apple that God specifically said not to eat.


Sin does not exist. It is a religious concept which has no foundation in reality.

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So see there is now no excuse for mankind when Jesus has now made the way for man to be free from sin so they can enter into heaven which is by recieveing what he did on the cross for you into your heart by faith.


So see, you don't see anything at all but your own tail which you are chasing like a dog. What is truth and does it matter? If you cannot prove something then you cannot claim the truth of it. What you chose to believe is just that, YOUR belief, nothing more.

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You come to Jesus just as you are and dont try to fix anything and ask him to come into your heart.


No thanks. I rather remain sane and honest. To believe in something without proof is to live a lie.

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If you want to know if there is a God shout out to him and ask him to reveal himself to you, when he shows up you will have noticed he has already been knocking on the door of your heart this whole time waiting for you to ask him him to come in who's name is Jesus.


My heart is just a blood pump and has no door. If god did exist and it wanted others to know and worship it, it would make it crystal clear and would not rely on a bunch of insects like you to relay its message.

Diane


Posted by: ANOINTED WARRIOR

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Deep down I know with 100% certainty your god does not exist. Therefore you are a liar and for anyone to presume to know what someone else knows deep down is a farce at best. Its no wonder we atheists think of "believers" and such neurotics and inferior beings.

The truth of it all is that is what you believe and that in itself does not make it "the truth" of anything but the belief of a bunch of neurotics.



LOL! You people believe out of fear. You have been brainwashed with a lie based on fear. Guess what? fear tactics do not work on the intelligent.

I can't imagine being part of such idiots.



Perfect example why god cannot exist. No "perfect" being would subscribe to this sort of monstrocity. Nobody deserves to be tortured for any amount of time for any reason. Too bad you monsters exist because without you this world would be far more advanced.



You see, you are too stupid to realize what you just said.



Whatever! You keep believing this garbage, just don't call it truth because truth is far from your mind.



You don't know what is in heaven. You have never been there and have no proof such a place exists so stop talking about a place you have never seen. Ok? You people are so dishonest its pathetic.



Sin does not exist. It is a religious concept which has no foundation in reality.



So see, you don't see anything at all but your own tail which you are chasing like a dog. What is truth and does it matter? If you cannot prove something then you cannot claim the truth of it. What you chose to believe is just that, YOUR belief, nothing more.



No thanks. I rather remain sane and honest. To believe in something without proof is to live a lie.



My heart is just a blood pump and has no door. If god did exist and it wanted others to know and worship it, it would make it crystal clear and would not rely on a bunch of insects like you to relay its message.

Diane

WOW!! amen the Holy Spirit is convicting you powerfully thank you Jesus Continue to whoo this person into your arms of love Jesus..


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For you PRBot.Com


"There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof [are] the ways of death." Proverbs. 16:25

Proverbs 3
5 Trust in the LORD with all your heart
and lean not on your own understanding;


Death to Self

Take Up Your Cross

Mark 8:34-35 (NIV) Then he called the crowd to him along with his disciples and said, "If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me and for the gospel will save it."

Bible Knowledge Commentary: "When the Roman Empire crucified a criminal or captive, the victim was often forced to carry his cross part of the way to the crucifixion site, carrying his cross through the heart of the city."

Luke 9:23-24 (NIV) Then he said to them all: "If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me. For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me will save it."

NIV Study Notes: "The picture is of a man, already condemned, required to carry the beam of his own cross to the place of execution. Disciples from Galilee knew what this meant, for hundreds of men had been executed by this means in their region."

Mat 10:38 (NIV) ... anyone who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me.

Are We Really Following Christ?

The modern equivalent would be to walk down a hallway toward an electric chair. Death is the destiny, and we are in a grim death processional. At least we are not first and, hopefully, we are not alone. If we "deny ourselves", and commit ourselves to death, we can no longer place any hope in this world. By "taking up our cross", it is as if all our natural passions and desires are doomed.

Luke 14:25-33 (Phi) "If anyone comes to me without 'hating' his father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, and even his own life, he cannot be a disciple of mine. The man who will not take up his cross and follow in my footsteps cannot be my disciple. If any of you wanted to build a tower, wouldn't he first sit down and work out the cost of it, to see if he can afford to finish it? Otherwise, when he has laid the foundation and found himself unable to complete the building, everyone who sees it will begin to jeer at him, saying, 'This is the man who started to build a tower but couldn't finish it!'... So it is with you; only the man who says good-bye to his possessions can be my disciple."

A.W. Tozer: "Among the plastic saints of our times, Jesus has to do all the dying, and all we want to hear is another sermon about his dying."

The Death Sentence

Gal 5:24 (Jer) You cannot belong to Christ Jesus unless you crucify all self-indulgent passions and desires.

Gal 5:24 (TEB) And those who belong to Christ Jesus have put to death their human nature, with all its passions and desires.

1 Pet 2:24a (Phi) And he personally bore our sins in his own body on the cross, so that we might be dead to sin and be alive to all that is good.

Consider Yourself Dead

T. Austin-Sparks: "We have not to die; we are dead. What we have to do is to accept our death... [In] baptism... we simply step in there and say, 'That position which God has settled with reference to me is the one which I now accept, and I testify here in this way to the fact that I have accepted God's position for me, namely, that in the Cross I have been brought to an end.'"

Col 3:3-7 (Phi) For, as far as this world is concerned, you are already dead, and your true life is a hidden one in God, through Christ. One day, Christ who is your life, will show himself openly, and you will all share in that magnificent revelation. Consider yourselves dead to worldly contacts: have nothing to do with sexual immorality, dirty mindedness, uncontrolled passion, evil desire, and the lusts for other people's goods, which amounts to idolatry. It is because of these very things that the holy anger of God falls upon those who refuse to obey him. And never forget that you had your part in those dreadful things when you lived that old life.

Rom 6:11a (KJV) Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead...

Rom 6:11a (TEB) Think of yourselves as dead to sin.

Rom 6:11 (NIV) In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus.

Rom 6:11-14 (Phi) In the same way, look upon yourselves as dead to the appeal and power of sin but alive to God through Christ Jesus our Lord. Do not, then, allow sin to establish any power over your mortal bodies in making you give way to its lusts. Nor hand over your bodily parts to be, as it were, weapons of evil for the devil's purpose. But, like men rescued from certain death, put yourselves in God's hands as weapons of good for his own purposes. For sin can never be your master; you are no longer living under the law, but under grace.

Rom 7:4-6 (Phi) So, my brothers, the death of Christ on the cross has made you "dead" to the claims of the Law, and you are free to give yourselves... to another, the one who was raised from the dead [Christ], that we may be productive for God. While we were "in the flesh", the Law stimulated our sinful passions and so worked in our nature that we became productive--for death! But now that we stand clear of the Law, the claims which existed are dissolved by our "death", and we are free to serve God, not in the old obedience to the letter of the Law, but in a new way, in the Spirit.

Rom 8:12-13 (NEB) It follows, my friends, that our lower nature has no claim upon us; we are not obligated to live on that level. If you do so, you must die. But if by the Spirit you put to death all the base pursuits of the body, then you will live.

Death To Self is NOT Optional for Christians

Jn 12:24 (NIV) "I tell you the truth, unless a kernel of wheat falls to the ground and dies, it remains only a single seed. But if it dies, it produces many seeds. The man who loves his life will lose it, while the man who hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life."

Rom 12:1-2 (Phi) With eyes wide open to the mercies of God, I beg you, my brothers, as an act of intelligent worship, to give him your bodies, as a living sacrifice, consecrated to him and acceptable by him. Don't let the world around you squeeze you into its own mold, but let God remake you so that your whole attitude of mind is changed.

T. Austin-Sparks: "The unalterable basis of an open heaven is a grave, and a crisis at which you come to an end of your own self-life. It is the crisis of real experiential identification with Christ in His death."

Rom 6:2-4 (Phi) We, who have died to sin--how could we live in sin a moment longer? Have you forgotten that all of us who were baptized into Jesus Christ were, by that very action, sharing in his death? We were dead and buried with him in baptism, so that just as he was raised from the dead by that splendid revelation of the Father's power, so we too might rise to life on a new plane altogether.

Gal 6:14 (Phi) Yet God forbid that I should boast about anything or anybody except the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, which means that the world is dead to me and I am a dead man to the world.

"Dead Men"

Let the appeal of sin strike you like it would a corpse.

Rom 6:5-7 (Phi) If we have, as it were, shared his death, we shall also share in his resurrection. Let us never forget that our old selves died with him on the cross that the tyranny of sin over us might be broken, for a dead man can safely be said to be free from the power of sin.

Rom 6:8-10 (Phi) And if we were dead men with Christ we can believe that we will also be men alive with him. We can be sure that the risen Christ never dies again; death's power to master him is finished. He died, because of sin, once; he lives for God forever.

Rom 6:11 (LB) So look upon your old sin nature as dead and unresponsive to sin, and instead be alive to God, alert to him, through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Life After Death

Col 2:12,14,20 (Jer) You have been buried with him, when you were baptized; and by baptism, too, you have been raised up with him through your belief in the power of God who raised him from the dead... He has overridden the Law and canceled every record of the debt that we had to pay; he has done away with it by nailing it to the cross... If you really died with Christ to the principles of this world, why do you still let rules dictate to you, as though you were still living in the world?

2 Tim 2:11 (Phi) I rely on this saying: "If we died with him we shall also live with him."

2 Cor 5:15,17 (Phi) We look at it like this: if one died for all men, then, in a sense, they all died, and his purpose in dying for them is that their lives should now be no longer lived for themselves but for him who died and was raised to life for them... For if a man is in Christ he becomes a new person altogether; the past is finished and gone, everything has become fresh and new.

Titus 2:11 (NIV) For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men. It teaches us to say "No" to ungodliness and worldly passions and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age.

Eph 4:22-25 (TEB) So get rid of your old self, which made you live as you used to, the old self that was being destroyed by its deceitful desires. Your hearts and minds must be made completely new. You must put on the new self, which is created in God's likeness and reveals itself in the true life that is upright and holy. No more lying, then! Everyone must tell the truth.

Gal 2:19-20 (Phi) For under the Law I "died", and I am dead to the Law's demands so that I may live for God. I died on the cross with Christ. And my present life is not that of the old "I", but the living Christ within me. The bodily life I now live I live believing in the Son of God who loved me and sacrificed himself for me.

Col 3:1 (NIV) Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above.

Counting The Cost, By C.S. Lewis:

"The terrible thing, the almost impossible thing, is to hand over your whole self--all your wishes and precautions--to Christ.

"Christ says 'Give me All. I don't want so much of your time and so much of your money and so much of your work: I want You. I have not come to torment your natural self, but to kill it. No half measures are any good. I don't want to cut off a branch here and a branch there, I want to have the whole tree down. I don't want to drill the tooth, or crown it, or stop it, but to have it out. Hand over the whole natural self, all the desires which you think innocent as well as the ones you think wicked--the whole outfit. I will give you a new self instead. In fact, I will give you Myself: My own will shall become yours.'...

"When I was a child I often had toothache, and I knew that if I went to my mother she would give me something which would deaden the pain for that night and let me get to sleep. But I did not go to my mother--at least not till the pain became very bad. And the reason I did not go was this. I did not doubt she would give me the aspirin; but I knew she would also do something else. I could not get what I wanted out of her without getting something more, which I did not want. I wanted immediate relief from pain, but I could not get it without having my teeth set permanently right. And I knew those dentists; I knew they started fiddling about with all sorts of other teeth which had not yet begun to ache. They would not let sleeping dogs lie. If you gave them an inch they would take a mile.

"Now, if I may put it that way, our Lord is like the dentists. If you give Him an inch, He will take a mile. Dozens of people go to Him to be cured of some one particular sin which they are ashamed of... or which is obviously spoiling daily life (like bad temper or drunkenness). Well, He will cure it alright: but He will not stop there. That may be all you ask; but if once you call Him in, He will give you the full treatment. That is why He warned people to 'count the cost' before becoming Christians. 'Make no mistake,' He says, 'If you let me, I will make you perfect. The moment you put yourself in My hands, that is what you are in for. Nothing less or other than that.'

"'Whatever suffering it may cost you in your earthly life... whatever it cost Me, I will never rest, nor let you rest, until you are literally perfect--until my Father can say without reservation that He is well pleased with you, as He said He was well pleased with me. This I can do and will do. But I will not do anything less.'

"The goal toward which He is beginning to guide you is absolute perfection; and no power in the whole universe, except you yourself, can prevent Him from taking you to that goal. That is what you are in for. And it is very important to realize that. If we do not, then we are very likely to start pulling back and resisting Him after a certain point. I think that many of us, when Christ has enabled us to overcome one or two sins that were an obvious nuisance, are inclined to feel (though we do not put it into words) that we are now good enough. He has done all we wanted Him to do. And we should be obliged if He would now leave us alone.

"But this is the fatal mistake... The question is not what we intended ourselves to be, but what He intended us to be when He made us....

"Imagine yourself as a living house. God comes in to rebuild that house. At first, perhaps you can understand what He is doing. He is getting the drains right and stopping the leaks in the roof and so on: you know that those jobs needed doing and so you are not surprised. But presently he starts knocking the house about in a way that hurts abominably and does not seem to make sense. What on earth is He up to? The explanation is that He is building quite a different house from the one you thought of--throwing out a new wing here, putting on an extra floor there, running up towers, making courtyards. You thought you were going to be made into a decent little cottage: but He is building a palace. He intends to come and live in it Himself!"




Posted by: PRBot.Com

Well, since I consider the Bible to be complete junk you will have to learn how to reason if you care to have a debate.

Quoting the Bible to an atheist shows that you have been deprived of your own ability to reason.

Diane


Posted by: ANOINTED WARRIOR

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Originally Posted by PRBot.Com
Well, since I consider the Bible to be complete junk you will have to learn how to reason if you care to have a debate.

Quoting the Bible to an atheist shows that you have been deprived of your own ability to reason.

Diane

There is no need to debate, truth speaks for itself and he is knocking on the door of your heart whos name is Jesus..


Posted by: akabezalel

Hi Diane... You made the mistake of under-estimating Anointed Warrior. He may not use punctuation but he is no fool or slouch when it comes to the Word of God and proving in athiest terms the existance of God.

Calling him names is a rather childish way of 'proving' your point though, I would bone up on my un-belief if I were you.

For myself, I have no need or compulsion to "prove" to you that God exists.

If you know the Word of God as well as you believe you do, then you know there is a God and you have chosen death for yourself, as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.

If you have issue with the existance of a living God I suggest you take it up with Him.


Posted by: ANOINTED WARRIOR

Lets all just sit back and watch the Holy Spirit do his work on her heart, for we know once he is on someone's trail and is after them with all he has they are pretty much through and will have to finally say "I SURRENDER".. God Bless..


Posted by: Picturemember

I'm starting to believe you... prayers are in vain.


Posted by: JeriRose12

Why do we pray? Because we are inviting God to get involved in the earth. You see, before anyone sinned, God WALKED on the earth. After sin, the devil (which I'm usre you don't believe in, either), had domininion here. Now, God needs the LEGAL RIGHT to move here, to intervene, to get invoved. When Adam and Eve sinned (okay, I know, there IS no original sin), they gave the devil the right to rule here, and he is called "the god of this world" and "the prince of the power of the air." Since man GAVE UP their dominion in the earth (When God created them, He told them to have dominion over the earth), the devil now tries to dominate. He can't dominate if Christians will pray. Because that is our way of saying to God, "Please get involved in the earth again."

We take our domnion back through faith in Jesus Christ. Jesus walked the earth to show us what God was like, then He died on the cross so we could be restored to what Adam and Eve had in the garden -- intimate fellowship with our heavenly Father. When, we come to the Father, praying in Jesus Name, we are asking our Heavenly Father to work here. Jesus made the way for us to get reconciled with His Father AND OURS. We are all looking for our Father! Whether we had a good relationship with our earthy father or a bad one, we are all are searching for God. (Right, I know you aren't). But the most freeing day in MY LIFE (because I WAS looking for my Father) was when I realized my earthly parents could never make me happy. To keep saying "If only my Mother would do this, I'd be happy." "If only my Father would do that, I'd be happy," was placing my happiness with imperfect people who could not make me happy. It was my choice to be happy -- IN GOD. God is my heavenly Father, and He is so much more real to me than my earthly fahter. I no longer put those expectations on my parents here, because God is My Daddy, My Dad, My Father. He loves me compleltely, fully, unconditionally.

So, now that God is my Father, I come to Him in loving relationship and ask for Him to move. He won't move against a person's will, though. Adam and Eve sinned, even though they had the perfect Father, who walked and talked with them in the cool of the day. His creation has a will of their own. Why? Because he wants us to LOVE Him, not serve Him because we have no choice. One time when I was asking Him why He wasn't changing the person I was praying for, He reminded me that even His choldren sinned against Him, so I should not be so concerned. He is the perfect Father, and His children choose to sin regularly. So, unless the person I am praying for is willing to change, my prayers may seem to go unanswered.

That's where the Holy Spirit comes in. The Holy Spirit was sent to the earth, after Jesus went to heaven. You see, just as man has a spirit, a soul and a body, so does God. Jesus is the BODY of God; God is the SOUL of God (mind, will and emotions) ; the Holy Spirit is the SPIRIT of God. Think about it, Who better than God's Spirit to be the one working here in the earth now? It is OUR spirit that searches for God. And it is the Holy Spirit that helps us find Him! The Holy Spirit is The One who makes us realize our need for God. The Holy Spirit comes to us and begins calling us to God. When I pray for God to move on someone, it is the Holy Spirit who convicts that person that they need God. This is how people begin to change (that I am praying for), through the work of the Holy Spirit! (I would take a praise break, but then You would really think I was nutzoid [Hallelujah! Praise
the Lord! , anyway.]). So, when we pray for you, it will not be US convicing you you need God, it will be the Holy Spirit.

Here's the deal: We will pray. Since you say God does not answer prayer, we will pray to God for YOU to believe Him. Let's just see how He answers our prayers (I have had so many miracles in my life lately, I would be a LONG TIME typing them all up). But, let us pray to this Perfect God, you say you don't believe in, then you will know for sure if He does or doesn't answer prayer. But He will. So fasten your seat belt!!!

~JeriRose~


Posted by: ANOINTED WARRIOR

Quote:
Originally Posted by Picturemember
I'm starting to believe you... prayers are in vain.
Millions upon millions of the souls of men are being saved for calling on the name of the Lord to be saved just as it says in Romans 10
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved

I dont think the millions upon millions of souls who have been saved are in vain for they now have a home in heaven and a relationship with the one who laid down his life for them, this one who laid down his life for all mankind is knocking on many doors of peoples hearts wanting to come in and love them and talk with them and deliver them from what they are in when yielding to his ways and love.

John 15
13 Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends.

You see my friend what is shown below in the picture was not in vain for what he did is still pulling men and woman out from the depths of despair and hoplessness into his arms of love..


Posted by: rswarts

Diane,

It seems to me as if you have come to some sort of misunderstanding between God and the existence of evil. If someone's house is swept away in a flood and the inhabitants are killed, that is not evil. If someone pulls a gun out of his pocket in a school and shoots an innocent child... that is evil. If someone is hit by a car by accident, that is not evil. If someone gives into temptation and spends their life persuing sins of the flesh.. that is evil.

There is one fact about this world that you have seemed to neglect. God has created it and it was good... God knew everything that was going to happen, yes. God knows when we are going to turn away from Him and sin. He loves us anyway. God knows when someone is going to die. He has called that person to him if they accepted the love of Christ in their heart. Satan, on the other hand, has other priorities. He wishes to spread evil and death and suffering.

You have to see this from God's perspective, which I know none of us can't. Every moment, whether it has occurred, is occuring now, or will occur is in his vision. He doesn't see imperfection in us. He only sees that we are with him in a perfect state of bliss. He is calling out to us always, asking us to do our best to abandon sin and ask for His help in our lives.

As for the power of prayer, when we pray to God, we know that the final outcome is His will. If we pray for someone to be spared from a sickness and that person is not, it was God's will for that person to pass on. It was a part of His perfect plan. So therefore, by saving that person, God would have contradicted His plan. Contradiction is a form of imperfection.

We pray to God for intercession in our lives when we are confused, lost, or just need someone to talk to. God is perfect and capable of anything. Nothing is beyond His grasp. That doesn't however, limit Him to answering all our prayers... for we may sometimes pray for things that, in His eyes, has to happen. God answers prayers in three ways. Yes, I will take this cross from you; No, you are strong enough to bear this cross... but I will support you along the way; and finally, Wait and see, for I have something better in store.

God is perfect, but He is also our Father in heaven. As our Father, he is responsible for doing what is best for us and what will lead to His plan. He is doing this all to tell us He is Love. Answering all our prayers isn't the point of God... guiding us in life so that we may understand what He has done for us is His mission. Christ came to earth to deliver this message to us. Christ Jesus died on the cross so that we may be free from what binds us to this earth.

You may not see this yet... but one day you will be face to face with judgement... and you will realize that through your ignorance via denial, you have thrown a gift away which has been available for you to take your entire life.

You will be in my prayers.

-Robert


Quote:
Originally Posted by PRBot.Com
Well, since I consider the Bible to be complete junk you will have to learn how to reason if you care to have a debate.

Quoting the Bible to an atheist shows that you have been deprived of your own ability to reason.

Diane



Posted by: Picturemember

I believe in God. I believe God sent his only son to die for our sins. I believe that with all of my heart and I always have. But… if you really listen to what Diane is saying it makes sense. Prayers are in vain! God knows every hair on our heads… he knew us in the womb. Our lives are mapped out for us and all of the prayers in the world won’t change what will or won’t be. That’s a depressing thought because the path God has already chosen for me has been nothing but pain… hopelessness… despair. So what do I look forward to now? Death? I already look forward to that every single day… I just want it to be over. I just didn’t want to leave my kids without anyone… but someone else already told me not to feel “guilty” about my kids. Not to take their problems as my own…. So I guess it’s ok… they’ll be alright. Seriously though… if prayer doesn’t change anything then why tell me to pray? What difference will it make? My life has been mapped out since before I was born. This is the life God planned for me. Yah… thanks. I’d rather have not been born.


Posted by: ANOINTED WARRIOR

Quote:
Originally Posted by Picturemember
I believe in God. I believe God sent his only son to die for our sins. I believe that with all of my heart and I always have. But… if you really listen to what Diane is saying it makes sense. Prayers are in vain! God knows every hair on our heads… he knew us in the womb. Our lives are mapped out for us and all of the prayers in the world won’t change what will or won’t be. That’s a depressing thought because the path God has already chosen for me has been nothing but pain… hopelessness… despair. So what do I look forward to now? Death? I already look forward to that every single day… I just want it to be over. I just don’t want to leave my kids with nobody… but someone else already told me not to feel “guilty” about my kids. Not to take their problems as my own…. So I guess it’s ok… they’ll be alright. Seriously though… if prayer doesn’t change anything then why tell me to pray? What difference will it make? My life has been mapped out since before I was born. This is the life God planned for me. Yah… thanks. I’d rather have not been born.

Right now I bind the spirit of heaviness and of suicide in this persons life with the chains of the Holy Spirit causing there lies and mouths to be shut in this persons life. Jesus cover this persons spiritual ears with your blood and her heart as well with your blood. I plead your blood Jesus all over this person. I command now to come forth and leave from this persons life now in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazereth the spirits of heaviness and suicide along with the spirit of infirmity. Goes in the name of Jesus Christ now from your life. Jesus place where all these bondages were with your presence and love and sword of the spirit.


Posted by: bluecatkeeper

picturemember and diane..for people who find this whole thing "In vain" it's rather interesting that you both spend so much time here....
I will pray for both of you.


Posted by: rswarts

My dear friend in Christ, prayers are not in vain. Throughout all time, God has listened intently to the prayers and cries of His people. He wants you not to pray to him as a servant, but to come to Him as a friend. All God wants for us is a deep and loving friendship. He expects us to try our hardest and to live our lives on the path of love and peace. God is willing to help us throughout all of this. Right now, if you will, cry out to God: "Father, this cross I am bearing is too heavy for me! I can no longer wield it! Please, Lord, help me to carry this cross so that I may grow closer to You and learn to love and trust you with all my heart and soul. Lord Jesus, my dear brother and savior, send your blessings upon me so that I may see Your light in the utter darkness of this world! Holy Spirit, fill me with your wisdom and love so that I may learn how to stand in the path of love and happiness!"

God know everything that is to be. That doesn't mean we can't cry out to Him for help. It doesn't make it useless or futile. God knows what we are going to do... for to Him, we are already at His side. We just need to learn to rely on His trust and judgement in all things and develop a personal relationship with Him through the power of prayer!

I will be praying for you, friend.

-Robert


Quote:
Originally Posted by Picturemember
I believe in God. I believe God sent his only son to die for our sins. I believe that with all of my heart and I always have. But… if you really listen to what Diane is saying it makes sense. Prayers are in vain! God knows every hair on our heads… he knew us in the womb. Our lives are mapped out for us and all of the prayers in the world won’t change what will or won’t be. That’s a depressing thought because the path God has already chosen for me has been nothing but pain… hopelessness… despair. So what do I look forward to now? Death? I already look forward to that every single day… I just want it to be over. I just didn’t want to leave my kids without anyone… but someone else already told me not to feel “guilty” about my kids. Not to take their problems as my own…. So I guess it’s ok… they’ll be alright. Seriously though… if prayer doesn’t change anything then why tell me to pray? What difference will it make? My life has been mapped out since before I was born. This is the life God planned for me. Yah… thanks. I’d rather have not been born.



Posted by: Picturemember

For those of you who tried to explain things and give me hope... thank you. For those of you who thought it was "interesting" that we'd spend so much time here... I can't speak for Diane but I know I'm just looking for answers. I'm sorry if my thoughts and feelings are "amusing" to you. I'm just trying to find something that "grabs" me like it did when I was a kid. But again... to Annointed Warrior and rswarts... thanks.


Posted by: ANOINTED WARRIOR

Quote:
Originally Posted by Picturemember
For those of you who tried to explain things and give me hope... thank you. For those of you who thought it was "interesting" that we'd spend so much time here... I can't speak for Diane but I know I'm just looking for answers. I'm sorry if my thoughts and feelings are "amusing" to you. I'm just trying to find something that "grabs" me like it did when I was a kid. But again... to Annointed Warrior and rswarts... thanks.

((HUGS)) all will be well


Posted by: rswarts

No thanks necessary, friend. May peace and joy find you again!

-Robert


Quote:
Originally Posted by Picturemember
For those of you who tried to explain things and give me hope... thank you. For those of you who thought it was "interesting" that we'd spend so much time here... I can't speak for Diane but I know I'm just looking for answers. I'm sorry if my thoughts and feelings are "amusing" to you. I'm just trying to find something that "grabs" me like it did when I was a kid. But again... to Annointed Warrior and rswarts... thanks.



Posted by: StarChilde

Where do you figure that we don't have a choice in life? Where do you read that in the Bible?
In my Bible it says we have a choice:

Deu 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

It is called FREE WILL. Everyone has it.

What you talk of is predestination.


Posted by: huggybob46

Well, I don't know about anyone else, but I get the impression that not believing in God is not Diane's only problem. I'm not always very discerning spiritually, but the venom with which she writes her messages seems to indicate she has some demons that need to be cast out. I think this is what all of us should be praying for in her behalf, because she will not be able to accept Jesus, or even acknowledge her sinfulness, without deliverance of these spirits.





Posted by: akabezalel

Do that Bob as we have been! The prayers are not all posted because it would only fuel the anger that she is hugging tight and make her hug it tighter! The Holy Spirit is on the job as are we! And I think you have hit the nail on the head Bob, you are listening to the Spirit! Keep praying! Keep walking with Jesus! You are making lots of progress!


Posted by: JeriRose12

Dear Picturemember, I know prayer is not in vain, especially the prayers of agreement prayed on this web site. I have had so many prayers answered reacently, that it's totally amazing. BUT: they were prayed according to the will of God. How did I know how to pray the will of God? I knew because I have gotten close to God through YEARS of prayer. Now, I feel like I know how to pray more in the will of God than in the past. You see, if You get to KNOW God, then it's easier to discern His will. Lately, I have had financial difficulties, and as I look at the situation and how everything has turned out, I can clearly see His hand of supply in the areas I NEED, not in things I just want. This is not to say sometimes God won't just bless us with something we want, but God has given me what I need to do the things He has called me to do right now.

Also, you are wrong about prayer not changing things. Moses prayed for God to change His mind, and He did. Joshua prayed for the sun to stand still, and it did. God changed his mind for Moses and changed the natural order of things He had created for Joshua! In both cases, God changed what was "mapped out." He had told Moses He was going to wipe out the Children of Israel, but after Moses prayed, He decided not to! And the sun is supposed to keep orbiting, not STAND STILL, by God's "map." So....

Ivan and Frances (the hurricanes) were coming full steam ahead to Florida, but we all started praying on anointed.net and these storms did much less than predicted. One of our memebers on here said the storms bypassed her house three times. I am convinced that the reason we don't see more results of this kind is because we don't pray. We started a thread to pray for the Iraqi situation and now one of the militia groups in talking of giving up their weapons! I believe it is because no-one prayed before that nothing like this happened before.

Many prayers are not answered because they are not prayed in the will of God. James said we have not because we ask not, and when we do ask we ask amiss, so are prayers aren't answered. People are asking God for all these things they want, when maybe those things are bad for them. Then, they get mad at God and say He doesn't answer prayer.

There is another factor to why prayers aren't answered. How are you living? Many people pray that they will be financially blessed, but they do not want to release 10% of all their income to God (or, as the New Testement insturcts, an amount that one determines in their heart to give). Poeple want relationships blessed, when they are living in the sin of fornication with someone. Many people are not doing what God is asking of them, but they get mad when God is not doing what THEY are asking of Him. God will not bless your life if you are living in disobedience to His Word.

God is interested in us becoming Christ like, not in us having every wish and whim granted. He wants us to growo up. When we are babes in Christ, He will carry us in the palm of His hand, hold us tightly. But just as a parent gives a child more and more independence, God will not baby us forever. He will let us wander closer to the edge of the palm of His hand. He wants to know if we will keep ourselves in the palm of His hand, or if we will get too close to the edge and leave His protection. In other words, it is OUR choice to dwell in the secret place of the Most High. We can ALWAYS be in the palm of His hand, with Him taking special care of us, but, when we are older in Christ, He won't hold us there, we must hold ourselves there. Think of it this way: the child of neccessity has a relationship with the parent, but when grown, that child can decide to have no relatiionship at all with the parent. When little, they depend on Mom and Dad to do EVERYTHING for them, then, as they mautre, the parents gradually do less for them. Same with God. When we mature, He expects us to do some of this stuff on our own. He doesn't make it as easy, like it seemed when we were first born again.

You know much you loved Him and just WANTED to pray and read your Bible? It came so easy. Then, little by little, God backed off to see if YOU would pursue Him, rather than HIM pursuing You. Just as the child will run into Mommy or Daddy's arms squealing, "I love you!" and putting kisses all over their parent's faces, so baby Christians do with God. They are not WISE in God, they simply love Him and want to praise Him and BE with Him every moment. Then, they get older in the Lord; they get Christian friends, find Christian programs, have a good pastor, find good Christian music and so on..... and they depend more on those things then God. These things are neccessary to our maturing, but at some point, they can become more important than God. Then, we can think we don't really need God, we can do it on our own, thank You, with the help of these poeple and programs. Just as children grow up and lean more on peers than parents. When children are grown up they can be intimate, close, semi-close, slightly distant, distant or separted from their parents. The choice is theres what kind of relationship they will maintain. The parents encouraged them to get a social life and outside interests and so on for their maturing proccess, but the child may leave the parents totally behind. That is a risk God takes. Many, many "Christians" (are they REALLY following Christ?) are following men! It is God who instigated the five fold ministires for the maturing of the saints, but He is often replaced by these very ministries, as people begin following those He has put in the ministry, rather than He, Himself.

So, God, is a jealous God, and He will not answer many of your prayers as you are praying them. Because you are praying wrongly. What God wants with you is a RELATIONSHIP. He said many who say, "Lord, Lord," would not enter heaven and that he would say "I never knew you," to them See, it's ALL ABOUT a relationship! Prayer is about a relationship! Yes, He knows the number of hairs on our head -- that's how much he thinks about you! You are precious to Him, and He wants a relationship with you!!! The Bible says that the Father knows what things we have need of before we ask Him. That is where He tells us not to use vain repetitions.... because He already KNOWS what we need.

How are we, then, to pray? We are to pray to Our Father in Heaven that HIS Kingdom would come and that HIS will would be done. HIS Kingdom and HIS will. NOT OURS!!! This is a vital point people are missing. If your prayers seem vain, that is, they aren't getting answered, examine what You are praying. And "No," is an answer. But if You are not praying God's will, He will seem to not be answering. When, what He is really about is, trying to bring You to the place where You will pray for HIS will to be done. As you spend more and more time in prayer, it will become a delight to pray that HIS will be done. You will no longer care that what you want is not what HE wants. You will build a relationship with Him as you pray, and you will fall so in love with Him, that You will gladly pray for His will to be done.

What He has told me recently is this: When I share with Him about my day and my life, He then wants to share with me about His! Think of this: The Great, Awesome God of Heaven, the Creator of the Universe, the One and Only, True and Living God, wants to SHARE with me about His life!!! In other words, He wants to share what is on His mind and heart. After I talk to Him about me, He wants to share with me about HIM!!! WOW!!! What an awesome revelation this was to me! Just as a man and wife would share, after the husband gets home from work, asking each other about their days.... God wants me to ask Him what He is up to. God wants to TELL me what He wants me to pray about! He wants to let me in on His desired plans for the world, and He wants me to pray that these things happen! He wants to be in a RELATIONSHIP with me! And prayer is not a one sided conversation, where I do all the talking. God wants to talk to me, too!

So, rather, than thinking your prayers are vain, examine WHAT and HOW you are praying. Is is according to God's Word and God's will? And is your life being lived in true obedience to God? Just as a good earthly parent won't bail out a child who is all but abesent from their lives, when they get themselves into a crisis, neither will God do for His distant, wayward child. God will, rather, use tough love, to get that child to see the error of their ways. He is not like these co-dependent parents, who so desparately want their child's "love," that they will give them money when they have run the credit cards too high or will let them come home to live because they aren't responsible enough to hold a job. God does not NEED our love in that desparate way. God wants us to CHOOSE to love Him, to CHOOSE to pray because prayer is talking to Him, and to talk to someone you have to spend TIME with them. And, ultimately, love is spelled "T-I-M-E."

~JeriRose~
Talking to HIM in 2004


Posted by: Picturemember

Hi JeriRose
You sound like a smart woman and I thank you for stepping up. I'm also happy to hear that God answers your prayers... and that you're happy with the answers. When I started reading about life being mapped out it scared me. I didn't pray for much... well, a lot to me... but it wasn't much. I just wanted hope. For the past year I've been going on 3 or 4 hours of sleep and when I wake up I just sit there and cry because I just haven't wanted to face another day. I barely talk to anyone because there really isn't anyone I want to talk to and I don't want to start crying in front of people. I graduate in a few weeks and I don't think I remember anything I've learned... it's all been a blur and I've felt like I've just been wasting everyone's time. So I just prayed for hope... just that little flicker in my heart to say I'm going to be ok. When they started talking about life being mapped out already and God not changing his mind it just seemed more hopeless. And as for how I live... well, I don't drink at all... never really have since I was a teenager... not even at Christmas. Our only income is from support that Pete has to pay and it all goes to board/food/phone/and the ride to next town for school. Money is normally gone before I get it. I didn't pray for financial gain because I really don't need anymore. Like I said... I've been rich and I've been poor and material things don't really mean that much to me. Hope... that's all I asked for and I felt like everyone was telling me to give up because this was as good as it gets.


Posted by: StarChilde

Picturemember our lives are NOT mapped out! We HAVE FREE WILL!


Posted by: JeriRose12

What I am trying to say is, if you get CLOSE to God, You will hear what HE wants for Your life, then You will know how to pray, then Your prayers WILL be answered. God bless you, Picturemember!

~JeriRose~
Finding HIM in 2004


Posted by: blessedbygod

Dear Lord,
I lift up Diane to you and ask you to be with her and reveal yourself to her. Satan is really battling for her heart and I ask you right now to Bind Satan's hold upon her and free her from his grasp. Open her eyes to your truth and love and draw her to you. She says she has read the Bible and knows it very well, so obviously she has been drawn to you for a while. Lift her up Lord, and let her see your face. Encourage her and draw her to you. Make her understand that it is not your will that any of us suffer or are "tortured" in hell, but it is our CHOICE. Help her to choose you. I thank you Jesus for your touch on her heart. Please continue to draw her to you. In Jesus Name, Amen.

Diane, God is the perfect being he is made to be, it is our imperfection that causes the flaws in life. We are the ones who choose things in life which cause us pain. God does not force us to do anything, though if we ask for guidance, he will let us know what he would like us to choose. We make the final choice, we sin, we take the consequences for our actions. We sometimes suffer because of the choices other people make. But, if we pray for God's protection, He will answer and protect us. He loves us and cares for us, and helps us when we ask.

Diane, if you have been hurt in life, abused, used by others, it is not because God did not care. Even while abuse happens to some, God is crying for you, holding your hand, protecting you from even worse things. He does not desire that ANY hurt come to you, but evil is in the world, and even good people get hurt by it. That does not mean that God is not perfect, it means that others have chosen to make horrible, hurtful choices which affect those around them - including those who choose God sometimes. God is still perfect, and still loves us. Because we have chosen God means that even the worst the world has to offer only affects us for a short time - because even the very worst - death - is just a passing moment - and then we are with God in his world where there are no more tears or pain or death. We have reached our ultimate goal - eternal life in a place of peace and perfection.

Even as an athiest Diane, though you proclaim unbelief you have chosen a belief. You have chosen to deny the existance of a God who loves you and cares for you and desires to give you peace. You believe.

I will be praying that you choose to believe in the love of a God who cares about you. Just as you are.


Posted by: MarkSentMe

Diane, please hear God. He is calling to you to "fly right". We often choose the wrong way because it is easier. God's way is the tougher road, but it is the right one.
"I did not say it would be easy, but I did say it would be worth it" (I saw this on a picture of Jesus at a friend's house)
Be wary of those around you who use the "judge not.." rule to their advantage. They act and influence other to do wrong and then hide behind the "judge not lest ye be judged" rule to protect themselves and to confuse people. Do not be confused. When you turn from negative people, they accuse you of wrongly judging them or discriminating against them. God wants us to align ourselves with good people and people who truly care for each other. Once you align yourself with people who are good, the negative ones will know they cannot get near you to hurt you.


Posted by: thedude

Quote:
Originally Posted by PRBot.Com
If your perfect god did exist prayers would be 100% useless.

Why? Perfection cannot be improved up thus nothing you could ever say to this perfect being would mean anything. Perfection cannot be improved upon so if your howse gets blown away and all your family gets killed, there is NOTHINg a perfect being could do about it just because you prayed in advance.

Diane
Before you waste too much of your time on this jughead, you might find this entertaining if not enlightening...

First of all, this person goes by a few different names. Here it's Diane, other places it is Solomon Tulbure, and also he uses the handle Maximus Illuminati.

Sites dedicated to exposing this knucklehead:
**************/tulbure.html
**********groups.***/group/Maximus-Illuminati-Exposed
**************/group/MyStockforum-Exposed
********************Forum posts that demonstrate what a miscreant he really is:
[url="**********www*****forum/thread2784.html
**************/showthread.php?t=3503
**********ihelpservices****/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=16155&perpage=10&pagenumber=2
***************/showthread.php?t=15274&page=2

There actually is a lot more information available - this should start the reader on a path that will allow him/her to connect-the-dots.

My only purpose was to warn the unwary of this shameless thief who has hurt and defrauded others throughout a long history of forum spamming, bashing, creating religious furor on boards, etc.

The only reason he registered here is to get Google to pick the links for his cheesy websites and to try and start a boiling pot.

HE starts a website, hypes it up, collects peoples hard earned money, and then drops it like a watermelon and moves on to his next scam, leaving all the members with the bag.

His last website's stock picking abilities were sophomoric at best. His track record was a figment of his imagination, and HE CREATED HIS OWN FOLLOWING!!! People would think members adored him, but and his testimonials were by him, and his fans were him with out screen names.

He also has "written" a few books. They are all ridiculous and needed to be proofread before being printed. I wouldn't recommend them to anyone, a few are called "The Illuminati Manifesto," "Christianity Exposed," and "Islam Exposed." All of them have stolen ideas and even much plagarism from sources as great as the US Constitution with absolutely no credit given. Don't waste your time with any of them.

I truly pray that God will help him and send him down a proper path. He's wronged people, and that needs to be put right. I sincerely hope that he will find God one day and will change his ways to a more moral way of living.


Posted by: Street Preacher

Diane.
In all of the things you have said it shows how deeply you have been hurt. Sometimes when others cry out! we don't listen. Please forgive us.

As much you you trying to closed God out. He hears your heart and the greving that you have been doing. I would like say to you, that I am very sorry for the things that happen to you, for you to feel this way.

Because you energy used to convince others, show me how thick of a wall you are holding up all by yourself.
When I pray tonight, some of my thoughts in my prayers will be about you and I know I will be crying out to the lord, next to yours crys.

No Gamesat all.
I just a person who cares.


Posted by: taszman

Diane, why do you insist on insulting people here? No one dragged you here, yet you think as a "sane" person that it is ok to degrade someone else for what they believe. I would hate to live in your world. Go away and insult your fellow aethists. I for one don't need to here it and if God wants you saved, He'll do it whether you want Him to or not.

Tasman


Posted by: huggybob46

I admire all the people trying to convince Diane that God answers prayer, but to be honest, I think she just wants to argue, she doesn't want to be convinced. She has already made up her mind, and the only One who can change it is the Holy Spirit. God bless!!




Posted by: thedude

Not Diane, Solomon Tulbure or Maximus Illuminati.

The board software censored my links, most likely to prevent spam. However, I know for a fact that this "Diane" is not a woman, and is the Solomon Tulbure of whom I speak. All one has to do is a Google search to find out more. It really is as simple as connecting the dots.

PRBot.com only wants to flog cheesy websites, stir up religious communities, and cause trouble in general. As I said above, don't get yourself sucked in to the scam theories this mentally deranged individual tries to suck people in to.

The Illuminati, Penny Stock Picks, etc. All scams and lies. Pray for this person to be turned around onto a good path in life.


Posted by: JeriRose12

thedude, thanks for the heads up. God still used it for good. We encouraged picturemember not to fall for this "life is mapped out" lie. So, it's not all wasted.

Bottom line, to all in here: Let's SEEK GOD, FIRST, before we do ANYTHING. If we reply in here and God has not led us to, then we have wasted every word we have typed. God is not interested in us replying to ANY thread on here in the flesh. What God's people SHOULD be doing, is getting alone with God in the prayer closet! That's the ONLY WAY to hear what He is doing and saying. A person would just find this interesting and try to convince Diane or whoever this person is, because they wanted to....not because GOD wanted them to. You see, God's people aren't always too smart. He has this awesome plan called seeking Him. Do you know why so few really ever make any progress with there praying or posting or witnessing or whatever? Because they have not asked GOD what HE wants!!! Lately, as I have asked God what He wants (and shut up long enough to hear Him tell me), my life has become so much less pressurized. I don't have to feel bad when I am not doing things that I think, in my flesh, that I should be. I only have to do what I KNOW God is telling me to. If He calls me to pray all day, all week, or even a month on only ONE THING, that's what I wuold/will do. He will take care of everything else, get someone else praying for all the other stuff. I only have to do what He calls ME to do. I don't have the same call as everyone else. I can not find out His call for me, unless I spend time alone in His Presence. So to anyone posting in here, did You pray and ask God first if you should?

~JeriRose~
Finding JESUS in 2004


Posted by: JeriRose12

Why did a perfect God create man? Because He had all this love to pour out on someone. You see God would not be perfect without His pefect love, his unconditional love.... that loves us in spite of everything we've done and no matter how hard we laugh at the thought of his existenece. A love that caused Jesus to be spit on and beaten and carry a heavy cross up a hill to die for our sins.... he was whipped, his back torn, a crown of thorns was jammed on his head, blood ran down his brow.... Laugh if you will. I am just a simple fool. A fool for Christ. I love Him, and He loves me. He loved me enough to do THAT for me. He loved you enough to that for you. Laugh at me, while I am laughing WITH Jesus. Jesus is beautiful, and all who miss out on Him.... how sad that makes me. I will be resting in His sweet peace, held in His loving arms.... while you laugh your hollow laugh.... I will be looking into His loving face, with His gaze fixed on mine.... Laugh on. Joy will be flooding me, and you will be laughing your empty laugh. Trouble will come, as it always does, but nothing Jesus and I can't handle together! I will be so filled with His Presence, so unfocused on my problem, as I focus on Him. You will be laughing because you think I am foolish. But I will laugh in the Presence of Jesus, a laugh of pure delight that bubbles up from down inside.... and I never needed alcaohol or drugs or any fake stimulant. The Holy Spirit (laugh on!) IS my stimulant! He energizes me! When trouble comes your way, who do YOU laugh with? Or do you just laugh at us Christian fools , while masking your pain and confusion? Seems sad you have to come on here and spend time with us fools , because your life is so empty, you can't get any happiness any other way. Jesus IS my happiness and I don't need outside things to make me happy. I can get alone with Him and laugh with no one around. But if you like spending time with us fools for Christ, hang around! We won't laugh at you. We'll be too busy laughing WITH and rejoicing IN Jesus!

In His love and laughter,
~JeriRose~


Posted by: bob_the_fat

That was the most pitiful response that I've gotten from this site. Except from Annointed Warrior cause sometimes I had no clue where his sentences were. Anyway, time for good ole school! Maybe someone might type out a legitimate response that I'll take time to read and respond appropriately to.


Posted by: JeriRose12

Hehehe.... Hahaha.... LOL Heehaw.... Hyuk! Hyuk!

Yes, I'm just a fool for Christ.

Nothing I say is going to convicne you, anyway, because you don't want to be convinced. But there is a peace and happiness in Jesus you'll never find in anything else.

~JeriRose~


Posted by: pickone

......that voice before. It echoes throughout all of creation.

Turn into the headlights of the car that is trying to run over you.

Diane, when you get tired of the struggle, when you hit bottom, when life seems hopeless. When you've lost everything and everyone you've ever loved and when there's no one left to turn to and no place else to go:

Seek Him and you will find Him when you mean it with all of your heart. The truth will set you free. You don't need anyone else to help you, if you insist. He draws near to those who draw near to Him.

Bye-bye!


Posted by: Picturemember

What a load of ********! I've been as low as a person can get... hit rock bottom... gave in and gave my problems to God... and they just multiply. In seeking God... so far... what I've seen is that either one does not exist or he enjoys watching people suffer. Don't we all enjoy a good story line on the soaps... Enjoy the show God... hope you're having a great time with my life. And please don't bother telling me that it's the devil because "nothing is done without the hand of God"... and besides... no matter what the devil does God is capable of sending hope, strength, comfort... something... I've received NONE. If there really is a God out there then he's already turned his back on me and if I can't count on him on earth then how can I count on heaven? If there is a God then he's already proven he hates me... and I am so sick of praying and reading and believing and suffering... I give up... and I HATE God right back.


Posted by: pickone

Would you share what some, or all, of your problems are? You don't have to if you've really given up. Just thought I would ask....


Posted by: JeriRose12

Wow, with that kind of faith, picture member, no wonder you aren't getting any answers. Without faith it is impossible to please God! And You don't show any faith by what you posted. You need to read His Word and obey it! God is faithful to His Word.

But where in His Word does it say it's going to be easy? He said in the world we would have tribulation but to be of good cheer because He had overcome the world. The Word says man is born to trouble as the sparks fly upward. Jesus said we had to SELL ALL to get the pearl of great price (doesn't sound easy to me). Jesus said the cares of this world would choke The Word out of some people. It takes dicipline and plian, old hard work not to let that happen. We are told to take up our cross DAILY and follw Him. He told the rich young ruler sell it all (becuase money was the rich young rulers god) and give it to the poor, then follow him. The troubles we have here are called, "Our light and momentary afflictions" (in comparison to the coming Glory). We are told to count it all joy when we fall into various trials and temptations. We are told to do all things without complaining. We are told that trials are to bring us forth as gold tried in the fire. Paul was told from the day he was saved that he would suffer great things for God. The onde man was told not to go bury his parents, but to follow Jesus then and there. Another was told once he had put his hand to the plow, not to look back. We are told to work out our salvation with fear and trembling. Jesus said not everyone who says "Lord, Lord" will make it into heaven. If even those who heal the sick and cast out demons in His Name, might not get to heaven, how about those who don't have faith for such things? The Bible is full of themes like sacrifice, dying to the flesh, laying down our lives, being good soldiers (sounds like WAR to me!), giving our all.... It does say "My yoke is easy and my burden it light." But we have to GIVE ALL to obtain the rest He is referring to there.

Jesus Himself looked passed the suffering of the cross for the joy set before Him (all the children he would bring to His Father). If Jesus went through all that for us, we can't go through something for him??? Then, there is the fact that Jesus asked if the cup of suffering could pass from Him, but He said, "Nevertheless, not my will, but Yours be done." Jesus set the example. I really don't get how ANYONE could hate a Jesus who went through all that for us. And, who could think, everything should be apple pie and ice cream, sunshine ane roses, cotton candy and carnivals.... well, you get what I mean. Or do you?

Where is this easy road you want? The trouble is, people want some mamby pamby, feel good Gospel! But nobody wants to pay any price for anything!!! God had to give up His very life for what He wanted -- fellowship with the people He created. And we have to give up OUR very life for what we want -- fellowship with our Father.

I just find this so sad. If I could just sit and tell you all the trouble and frustrations I've had.... yet will I praise Him! Yet do I love Him! In no way do I blame Him! He gives me PEACE in the MIDST of the storm, as the man, who's son was killed in a drunk driving accident, sings!!! Nobody know's the trouble I've seen, nobody but Jesus.... And it is BECAUSE of Him that I have made it this far and will make it Home. Hallelujah!!!

Well, if I didn't encourage you any along the lines of faith, I sure encouraged myself! Thanks for the chance!

~JeriRose~
Finding HIM in 2004


Posted by: son of God

praise the Abba read what this sister it word and may i add some knowleg on u as u can see cant spell for nothing but that not what up brother or sister u asking the quastion of would u share or tell all problems yes i would and have and it took time to see my LORD hand anything if u truly are to follow but if u are in it for what my LORD can do for u if u init for those prayers will not be heard but to die to our wants and desires or get over something that u may have done we are to seek our Father for his will be done and not our own even in prayers the Father says he will test us in old testment forgive me dont know the address but i know its his word for ure 2nd quastion u dont have do nothing cause the Father doesnt make us do anythig we dont what to but as all Father do they bring u into line with his will and untile we get into line with his thing get wack out quick this is called longsuffering and in John confuse ure sin one to onther ( if your a baby G Go to the pastor to confuse sin) in John the vers fishing saying so they canpray for healing if the LORD has deliver and u truly trun from your sin my LORD say the trth will set u free but that mean we are for given but satan come in and plays with us all he will bring thing of past and today mix it up put it togather it what do with it are we going to the Father with or are we going to handle it by our selve i found it the hard way and it sucked yes go to the Father or some of some sex that u are in the LORD GROUND MY LORD JESUS in your Name i pray your will be done i know the Holly Spirit is wanting to show u and teach u learn to be real with yourself alow the love to heal the hurts of past or even today my Abba in JESUS NAME I PRAY Amen servant


Posted by: Christian mom

Praise God!!!!!!! Hallelujah!


Wow, JeriRose12, you got me wanting to do some dancing and shouting!

Glory to God.

I am in TOTAL agreement with everything you said. I needed to hear/see what you what this morning.....just the spark I needed to set this ole gal on fire.

And I want to add this, for the last 8 years, I have had alot of medical problems, as well as marital woes. This last year especially, I have spent more time in the hospital, having surgeries, or recuperating from complications from the surgeries that were supposed to correct my health problems. When I have been home, I spend most of my time in bed and unable to care for my home or family like I long to do. Constant pain, no money, and the list goes on and on. If I focused entirely on my situation and circumstances, it would probably bring me down and keep me there.

But there in NO WAY I am going to give satan the satisfaction in getting me and keeping me distracted.

My focus is on the Lord! HE is not at our beckon call 24/7. HE will do things in HIS perfect timing, according to HIS perfect will.

So while I certainly can sympathize with someone going thru hard times, I will tell you this: stop focusing on the problem, and start focusing on the solution: the Lord!!!!!!!!

HE never promised us things were going to be easy when we come to know HIM as Lord and Saviour, but HE does promise that HE will never leave or forsake us.

Anyone can jump and shout praises when standing on the mountaintop. But it takes real faith to hold onto our JOY, when down in the valley.

Amen and Hallelujah!!!!! Thank you, Lord!


Posted by: huggybob46

It seems pretty obvious to me that picturemember is hurting very deeply, and instead of telling him/her to exercise more faith, we need to try and understand how he/she got to be so bitter toward God, and then try our hardest to help him/her to overcome that bitterness. Believe me, I felt almost exactly the same way not too long ago, and it has taken me a LONG TIME to get over my anger toward God, and also much encouragement from my Christian friends, who I'm sure also were interceding for me regularly. Please, everyone, if someone has a terrible struggle like this precious person does, don't give them pat answers---that is the LAST thing they need. They need and want your understanding and compassion, and if you cannot understand where they are coming from, just love them and pray for them that they will stop hating God. Thanks for letting me get up on my soapbox!

Love in Christ,
Bob
P.S. By the way, I DO love Jesus again, but it has taken a long time and lots of tears and questioning His goodness to get to this point. As a matter of fact, I could use your prayers, because sometimes I still find myself asking "If God is such a loving God, then why....?" fill in the blank. Thanks, brothers and sisters.


Posted by: smb1976

I was researching on the internet and it says that this Solomon Tulbure died on 11/17/04


stephanie


Posted by: pickone

Too bad, if it is true. A lot of people tried to help. Maybe it did. Let's just assume it did, or believe it did. With God all things are possible. The Lord will have mercy on whom He will have mercy. Nothing is too hard for Him.


Posted by: MarkSentMe

As one who has been a skeptic for more years than some people have existed on this earth, I can tell you where some good "The Bible Is Junk" websites are. I have read all I could on Freedom From Religion, Educate Yourself (orgone generators, anyone, I'm sure Diane can sell us them by the truckload!) and Skeptic Dictionary. Talk about neurotics. After you've digested all you can about why God doesn't exist because ________ and after you've regurgitated all the scientific blah blah yadda yadda woof! you can stand, remember, there will come a day, when you are holding the hand of a dying relative or you are in a situation where your life is literally on the line, you are trying to see how scientifically or logically it makes sense. And when it doesn't, 'cuz it won't, that's where you will WISH you had something besides flow charts, stock options and rollover contributions to rely on.
I don't believe based on fear. I believe because I researched all the other mumo jumbo and realized, it's all propaganda put out by a bunch of arrogant "I did this all myself" types. So hole yourself up in your house so the Illuminati doesn't find you.


Posted by: prayerwarrior8888888

Quote:
Originally Posted by PRBot.Com
If your perfect god did exist prayers would be 100% useless.

Why? Perfection cannot be improved up thus nothing you could ever say to this perfect being would mean anything. Perfection cannot be improved upon so if your howse gets blown away and all your family gets killed, there is NOTHINg a perfect being could do about it just because you prayed in advance.

Diane

I just want to pray for a revealtion of God's love for you. God is perfect this is true. We are not. Sin causes imperfection. If we are to be as He is we are to seek to do His will in all thingseven then the war between our spirit man and our flesh and the enemy (Satan and his hordes) will continue to test us. His plan for salvation is grace to be saved through the Lord Jesus' sacrifice for our sin. All we need do is accept what he bought for us at Calvary. He'll take care of all our needs.

Dear Father in heaven please give a clear meaning of Your Love to this one who is not able to understand Your ways.

Isaiah 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

In Jesus' name Amen


Posted by: alisha119

I started to just leave this post alone, but something brought me back. So, here's how I feel:
I must start by saying intellegence is always a good thing, but it is not necessary in order to understand the main thing the Bible tells us. What is that? To believe. You only have to have as much belief to amount to a grain of mustard seed. Do you know how tiny that is? That's all GOD asks. He's not a power-hungry being. He doesn't have to have everyone bowing and kissing His feet. If you want to do this, it is merely as a sign of love and respect, not because you have to. Now, if you have been blessed with the knowledge to understand the Bible in more detail, you are pretty well off, as long as you follow that belief that God asks you to have. I'm not going to get into any more detail because if your spirit isn't ready to listen yet, it will be of no use to you. You say you are a very intellegent person, so I only ask you why you don't believe what you read, what is in black and white. Why do you doubt the discoveries scientists have made to support that Jesus did in fact live? Why do you doubt what millions upon millions of people have testified to? Do you honestly believe all these people have been living a lie this big for all these years? If so, why? What would make all of the people who have read and trusted in GOD's word want to live a lie? I am a free person. I am free to believe whatever I want as are you. I believe in GOD. You say you have to see something with your own eyes to believe. Do you really know you have a heart pumping your blood through your veins? Do you know you have bones to support your body? Do you know for sure you have a brain in your head? How? Have you cut yourself open to see all this? No? But other people have been disected and you have seen pictures, videos, read books....So you believe that is what your body is made of? But you haven't technically seen inside yourself, so how do you know? Maybe all the doctors are lieing to us all. Maybe everyone is different on the inside. Maybe you don't have a heart that pumps your blood. Maybe it pumps itself. If I said I believed I didn't have a heart in my chest, you'd think I was crazy (even if you already think that because I am a Christian:-)). You'd still say you KNOW WITHOUT A DOUBT I do as will we say about GOD. He does exist, some just don't like to admit it. Without a God, without our knowledge of good, we would differ none from other animals. Most would say, Christian or not, that we are superior to other animals. Why does God give us the freedom to do what we want, even if it's wrong? It is our intellegence that guides us to do anything, right or wrong. We learn from our mistakes. We thrive based on what we learn. We feel useless when we can do nothing to change anything. God allows us to live on earth the way we choose. We choose our path. That is a perfect being. To allow your creation to choose whether or not it believes in you, that is trust and love.
Why do we pray? We pray to show God we believe and love Him. To honor Him. To build our faith. To answer your question, No, we do not HAVE to pray. If we believe enough and have no doubt in God, we are given the power to do whatever we want. Whatever we want. The thing is, and you're gunna love this one....When we believe totally and without a doubt we gain in our understanding of God and His plan. We understand that it is not in our benefit to harm anyone or thing. Therefore, we use our new found powers for healing, meditation, and to the benefit of our fellow man. It is the only logical conclusion. The truely intellegent will come to understand that. Until everyone comes to that ultimate conclusion, we wage war, we create disease, and we harm each other. In order to protect ourselves, we must first see that we are our own problem, not God. We must join in perfection with God. We all have the capability, but narrow is the way and few there be that find it.
Continue trying to push away your belief in anything and you are on the fast track to loosing the intellegence you claim to have.
God Bless You and Yours.


Posted by: footprint9

Hi,

Great questions Good to think, isn't it?

I have a question for you. You're obviously intelligent and you say you have a good knowledge of the Bible. So one of your remarks puzzled me a little...

"you will have to learn how to reason if you care to have a debate."

How is anyone supposed to explain God by means of reason? If God could be reduced to the level of our comprehension, surely that would be a contradiction in terms. God is supposed to be infinite, no one can understand infinity.

Your thoughts?

J


Posted by: Picturemember

Quote:
Originally Posted by huggybob46
It seems pretty obvious to me that picturemember is hurting very deeply, and instead of telling him/her to exercise more faith, we need to try and understand how he/she got to be so bitter toward God, and then try our hardest to help him/her to overcome that bitterness. Believe me, I felt almost exactly the same way not too long ago, and it has taken me a LONG TIME to get over my anger toward God, and also much encouragement from my Christian friends, who I'm sure also were interceding for me regularly. Please, everyone, if someone has a terrible struggle like this precious person does, don't give them pat answers---that is the LAST thing they need. They need and want your understanding and compassion, and if you cannot understand where they are coming from, just love them and pray for them that they will stop hating God. Thanks for letting me get up on my soapbox!

Love in Christ,
Bob
P.S. By the way, I DO love Jesus again, but it has taken a long time and lots of tears and questioning His goodness to get to this point. As a matter of fact, I could use your prayers, because sometimes I still find myself asking "If God is such a loving God, then why....?" fill in the blank. Thanks, brothers and sisters.

Thank you for understanding Bob. You've got to be the only member of this prayer board that did.


Posted by: huggybob46

Yes, I understand all too well! God bless you, and you're still in my prayers!

Love in Christ,
Bob


Posted by: Christian Commando

If I may, for any unbelievers out there who like to question God's Word "authenticity", why don't yoiu take a gander thru the American and foreign Country reiligious archives and see what there is for "authenticated" Bible evidence. As many an athiest I've dealt with for more than 20 years, there is more physical evidence, of which they are looking for, that God has provided to prove His Word is true. Cities in archeological digs were found in locations given in God's Word. We have the "Dead Sea Scrolls" that cover all of every Book of the Old Test, save Esther. A "Scribe City" was found recently, where more literary evidence shares accounts of bible mentioned charactors and in some cases, even references to thier teachings. True Christians, I ask you not take offense to this since God declares we are to "believe by faith". After all, one of Jesus' disciples was "Doubting Thomas" who had to touch the scars of Christ to believe He had arisen. As Christ showed Thomas, I also believe God also provided our time with this evidence. Too many of God's "Miracles" are explained away by lame "babblings of science". This evidence cannot. Even some secular scientists admit these days, evolution can't be accepted without a God or "higher Power", behind it's beginnings. The ratio of "random chance" is just too high. Thank you and God Bless!


Posted by: GA5966

PRBot.com,
You said your own words here "Yeah, well, that is a nice explanation if it makes you feel better but makes no sense to anyone who knows the Bible, and I know the Bible better than most so called "Christians". In another place god says "I do good and I create evil" so there you have it." Tell me where God says this exactly if you know the Word better than me. By the way I am a very intelligent person and it takes a whole lot of faith in nothing to be an atheist but I am so sorry to tell you God will eventually make you answer to him and I know my answer is I sinned and missed it but I have the Blood of Jesus to cover that. I don't have to protect my God or my intelligence against people who have given themselves to Satan's lies. My prayers avail much so I will pray you will see the light in that dark world that surrounds you. I will pray that you will see the truth, which you seem to think, is the lies Satan himself is feeding you. Nice fish always take the bait. I am not such a nice fish. I refuse to buy the garbage Satan feeds the world and I pray for those who do buy into it. Sincerely, Georgia Peach
Isa 5:20-21
20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
21 Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!
KJV


Posted by: rz_smile

Quote:
Originally Posted by PRBot.Com
If your perfect god did exist prayers would be 100% useless.

Why? Perfection cannot be improved up thus nothing you could ever say to this perfect being would mean anything. Perfection cannot be improved upon so if your howse gets blown away and all your family gets killed, there is NOTHINg a perfect being could do about it just because you prayed in advance.

Diane
Prayer is a way we communicate with God!

He is waiting to communicate with you! He loves you so much. He is a gentleman - so He will wait for you.

Unfortunately the liar whispers lies in your ear. I pray that the mask of the liar be removed so you can see the Truth. God loves you so much and wants to talk with you on a daily basis. He is waiting for you.


Posted by: walkin2e

I post some of my writings on an author site. I Jan 05, I received an email. here is some of the information:

On November 17, 2004, Maximus Illuminati (Solomon Tulbure) committed suicide by
apparently jumping off a Knoxville interstate overpass. Solomon was the founder
of AuthorZone and a published author. Our hearts go out to his family,
friends and his daughter.

Appararently, this person was the one who started this thread.

Walkin2e


Posted by: Christian Commando

Who was this- "Maximus Illuminati" anyway? Seems I've heard the name before but don't remember what it was about. Was he a member of this site in order to start this thread before? God Bless!


Posted by: walkin2e

I believe he was the one who started this thread. Elsewhere, (about 5 or six comments up) mention of his name is made.

Walkin2e


Posted by: So very Cheeky

Hello Diane! and gang..


First of all.. I am a Christian because the LORD chose ME I DID NOT CHOSE HIM. Sounds like your time has not come! your at where I was! I can relate.. I bet all of this scripture stuff aint making too much sense! I understand

Regarding Prayer, ok... For me, I do not give to get, nor do I pray to get things as a Christian. It is more or less fellowshipping with the creator of the Universe, worshiping if you may.

I talk to Him all day, that is a form of worship. When I do ask for things, Like what I am about to pray for you.. The Lord has 3 answers, NO YES WAIT, He also knows what I ask before I ask it. He is sovereign, I am not.

Anyone that says they can name and claim it in faith in faith are not Christians but metaphysical/mystic new agers, kinda like copeland, benny hinn, etc.

What I am going to pray for now Diane is the Lord turns your life upside down to a point where you realize you cant make it on your own. And you just might realize you are a sinner just like the rest of us and need the Savoir Jesus Christ. of course, It it is HIS will...

Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Keep it simple. Very Cheeky


Posted by: prayerwarrior8888888

Quote:
Originally Posted by PRBot.Com
Well, since I consider the Bible to be complete junk you will have to learn how to reason if you care to have a debate.

Quoting the Bible to an atheist shows that you have been deprived of your own ability to reason.

Diane

I do not agree with you. Jesus quoted to Satan

Matthew 4:7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.


Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

When I think I use my new mind created through the miracle of acceptin Jesus into my life.
I ask that the Lord show you the truth through His word in scripture.



Father I ask for discernment and clear understanding of Your promise as she reads these words of truth.



John 3:1 ¶ There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:

2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.



3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born?

5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.



Mark 10:15 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.







John 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.



Father I pray that you will show Your daughter, Diane Your will for her as Your child. I bind Satan with his lies and I ask that You remove the scales from her eyes that she might see and I cause confusion to go into the enemy’s plan to keep her from receiving Your gift of eternal salvation .



Diane if you want to receive Jesus into your life and heart it is simple.

First believe on Him. Faith in believing is all you need. Then say this simple prayer.



Dear Heavenly Father I ask for forgiveness of my sin. Change my heart and mind to receive an eternal relationship as Your daughter through accepting Jesus into my life and heart.



Renew my spirit and cause me to be born again in Your spirit. Thank You Jesus for going to the cross to be sacrificed for my sin. I receive the gift you have for me and I want You to be my Savior.



In Jesus name Amen












Posted by: whome?

I just think its so funny how athiests try so hard to defeand truth,as if they are being moraly upright,even so much as to come to were all the fools talk about thier lord and preach to them.its so well just sad,I dont know how to exspress it.I love they way they try to use that back a christian in a coner aproach,I used to do that to,but really I just wanted some one to prove the god I always wanted was real with out me having faith,like some one will just pull a miricle out of thier pocket cuz they dont beilve.they in thier heart want