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Dilema

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Posted by: PRBot.Com

Suppose for a second there were a god, heaven and hell etc.

Suppose a good person who never believed in god made it to heaven but when she gets there she does not want to be there.

Would she be thrown into the "lake of fire" or is there an alternative place?

Diane


Posted by: akabezalel

#1. If this 'Good Person' did not have Jesus as Lord, Savior and Master of her life she never would make it to heaven in the first place, so you see there is no 'dilemma' to be puzzled over.

#2. There are no alternatives to Heaven and Hell. Purgatory does not exist.

#3. When a Person who has accepted Jesus, His Sacrifice, Resurrection, and Ascension arrives in Heaven they do not want to leave.

It does not take a Rocket Scientist to believe in Jesus.

All it takes is Faith and even Rocket Scientists have enough Faith for Salvation.

Father, Diane has all the hallmarks of a person who has been hurt by imperfect people and has chosen to blame a perfect God. You are loving enough not to be bothered by her choice and still love her enough to desire her presence in Heaven at the end of her life. Forgive her sin and cover her with the Blood of the Lamb, hear her hearts cry for Your love and acceptance. Show her Your Goodness and bring her to repentance and salvation through Jesus. Thank You Lord. AMEN!


Posted by: PRBot.Com

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Originally Posted by akabezalel
#1. If this 'Good Person' did not have Jesus as Lord, Savior and Master of her life she never would make it to heaven in the first place, so you see there is no 'dilemma' to be puzzled over.

Muslims claim the same about their prophet and religion and they are just as sincere about their beliefs as you are about yours. Hindus the same and others the same. All of you have as much proof of the "truth" of it all which is ZERO. Too bad you have no concept of basic logic because what I posted was a hypothetical.

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#2. There are no alternatives to Heaven and Hell. Purgatory does not exist.
prove it! and no, quotes from the Bible do not count.


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#3. When a Person who has accepted Jesus, His Sacrifice, Resurrection, and Ascension arrives in Heaven they do not want to leave.
How do you know? What if someone would want o leave? Hmmm? Or are you saying that people who go to heaven are deprived of any free-will?

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It does not take a Rocket Scientist to believe in Jesus.
You are correct. No sane person would believe in such nonesense.

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All it takes is Faith and even Rocket Scientists have enough Faith for Salvation.

I am the lord almighty and all you need is faith to believe it.

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Father, Diane has all the hallmarks of a person who has been hurt by imperfect people and has chosen to blame a perfect God. You are loving enough not to be bothered by her choice and still love her enough to desire her presence in Heaven at the end of her life. Forgive her sin and cover her with the Blood of the Lamb, hear her hearts cry for Your love and acceptance. Show her Your Goodness and bring her to repentance and salvation through Jesus. Thank You Lord. AMEN!

perfect example why we think of you idiots just as that, morons. You think insulting people's intelligence like that will help you or anyone else in any way! If it were up to me all of you would be wiped out in a flash! That type of arogance you people display is simply barbaric!

Diane


Posted by: ANOINTED WARRIOR

Jesus should I draw my sword of the spirit and go at it against the devil in her life that is blinding her and influencing her to say rude remarks?


Posted by: akabezalel

One thing I have learned in debate.

When a person begins to call the opposition names and make snide remarks about them, that person knows they have lost the debate.

You have been doing nothing but call believers names and insult them.

This tells me a great deal about you and destroys your opposition.

So far you have given nothing but insults as "proof" that God does not exist while we have given you chapter and verse and personal experience that "proves" to us and many others that God does exist.

Basic logic says that you have lost the debate before it has begun in earnest.


Posted by: bluecatkeeper

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Originally Posted by PRBot.Com
Suppose for a second there were a god, heaven and hell etc.

Suppose a good person who never believed in god made it to heaven but when she gets there she does not want to be there.


John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.



Would she be thrown into the "lake of fire" or is there an alternative place?

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Posted by: pickone

If you believe now, or you believe later? doesn't really matter (maybe).

You might visit hubblesite********** and check out some of the wonders that have been recently photographed by our scientists in outerspace (heaven, if you will).

If you don't believe us, will you believe in Him because of His works? Will you believe the signs He has left for you and me to discover?

Can you create a new born baby out of the dust of a planet you created yourself? Can you cause a newborn baby to come out of the inside of the 'baby' you created? Then let it happen over and over until the babies number like the tiny grains of sand of the sea?

Can you explain why people yawn and worms don't? (Dr. James Dobson said one of his children asked him if worms yawned, I think).

I heard a scientist say that if just one of the stars in our night sky failed, life on earth would be impossible. Wonder why?

Finally, if you are a scientist, can you prove that Almighty God doesn't exist? Once and for all?

Is there any way possible you can be honest with yourself and look at all the life above the earth, on the earth and in the earth and say you think it happened by accident?

Someday on this earth we will stop saying, "Know God." Because we will all know Him.


Posted by: Christian mom

Just had to say "Praise the Lord"!!!!!

akabezalel and my fellow brethren......continue to fight the good fight!

The enemy knows his time is drawing nigh....this thread further proving to me (thank you Jesus!!) that I am on the winning side! Glory to God!


Posted by: angelofthelord

I was always taught while growing up that all it takes for anyone to accept Jesus into their heart was asking him to do so at the moment of death. I have always had problems with that comment since that would mean that someone could lead an evil life and at the moment of death, say "Jesus you are the Lord and Savior of the world. I ask you into my heart." and they are saved.

That would mean that a whole lot of evil people accepted Jesus into their hearts at the moment of death.

But more to your point....

She would then be sent to hell for man has a choice and if she doesn't want to spend eternity in Heaven with God then she will spend eternity in the fire pit of hell.


Posted by: Sulten

There is a fomula for you to know for sure if there is a God. It is full proof. Are you afraid what you will find out? First you need to get down on your knees (it can actually take enormous faith when you are not sure) and tell God what you think in your mind and heart. That you really don't know and doubt his existence. Then simply ask him to let you know if he exists. One important element though; you have to be humble like a little child and completely surrender yourself to know. Does this sound like foolishness? You cannot find out purely by an intelletual process. The things of the spirit are discerned by the spirit. But he will reveal to you in such a way through your spirit that will leave you no doubt in your heart and your mind that he exists. All I can tell you is it is like a vale being lifted from your eyes and from your mind. It is a feeling of being loved and a sense of who you really are. It is the greatest experience you could ever know. These things are not imagined. We do not pretend. We would never have the desire or courage to live the way the scriptures set forth and entail us to live in a Christian live style without that true conviction. You cannot do it just because other's in your family believe or you are told you should. You have to know for yourself. It is the most important message you could ever know or find out. Where did you come from? Where are you going after you die? What difference does your life make? We can all pray for you here, but you have to open your mind first. You have to have real intent and a heart felt desire to know. I leave you with my own testimony that I know God does exist. I have felt his power in my life. I have seen answers to prayers. These things are real. There is a whole world out there that exists that you may know nothing about. You have to seek to find it. It will bring you peace of mind, it will bring you joy beyond anything imaginable. I say these things in Jesus Name my Redeemer. Amen.


Posted by: rz_smile

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Originally Posted by PRBot.Com
Suppose for a second there were a god, heaven and hell etc.

Suppose a good person who never believed in god made it to heaven but when she gets there she does not want to be there.

Would she be thrown into the "lake of fire" or is there an alternative place?

Diane
Why don't you ask God that question. He is the only one that can answer it. He would love to talk with you!


God loves you!


Posted by: alisha119

If this person decides that good is not what she wants, then of course she would have to want bad. Good and evil are the only two ways. There is no 'govil'. So, yes, theoretically speaking, if she didn't want Heaven, she must want eternal suffering. Please don't give yourself that chance to be pressed to make a decision like that.


Posted by: GA5966

Diane is not a person who wants to know the truth if you check out some previous threads she wrote it has been proved that this person is only trying to stir up trouble. Matt 7:6

6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
KJV

If you look at previous threads this person has been given answers to this question before; sad to say you are all wasting your time here. God is big enough He can defend himself we need to focus on people who really want answers.

Qoute from "thedude" on one of Diane's other threads:

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Originally Posted by PRBot.Com
If your perfect god did exist prayers would be 100% useless.

Why? Perfection cannot be improved up thus nothing you could ever say to this perfect being would mean anything. Perfection cannot be improved upon so if your howse gets blown away and all your family gets killed, there is NOTHINg a perfect being could do about it just because you prayed in advance.

Diane

Before you waste too much of your time on this jughead, you might find this entertaining if not enlightening...

First of all, this person goes by a few different names. Here it's Diane, other places it is Solomon Tulbure, and also he uses the handle Maximus Illuminati.

Sites dedicated to exposing this knucklehead:
**************/tulbure.html
**********groups.***/group/Maximus-Illuminati-Exposed
**************/group/MyStockforum-Exposed
********************Forum posts that demonstrate what a miscreant he really is:
[url="**********www*****forum/thread2784.html
**************/showthread.php?t=3503
**********ihelpservices****/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=16155&perpage=10&pagenumber=2
***************/showthread.php?t=15274&page=2

There actually is a lot more information available - this should start the reader on a path that will allow him/her to connect-the-dots.

My only purpose was to warn the unwary of this shameless thief who has hurt and defrauded others throughout a long history of forum spamming, bashing, creating religious furor on boards, etc.

The only reason he registered here is to get Google to pick the links for his cheesy websites and to try and start a boiling pot.

HE starts a website, hypes it up, collects peoples hard earned money, and then drops it like a watermelon and moves on to his next scam, leaving all the members with the bag.

His last website's stock picking abilities were sophomoric at best. His track record was a figment of his imagination, and HE CREATED HIS OWN FOLLOWING!!! People would think members adored him, but and his testimonials were by him, and his fans were him with out screen names.

He also has "written" a few books. They are all ridiculous and needed to be proofread before being printed. I wouldn't recommend them to anyone, a few are called "The Illuminati Manifesto," "Christianity Exposed," and "Islam Exposed." All of them have stolen ideas and even much plagarism from sources as great as the US Constitution with absolutely no credit given. Don't waste your time with any of them.

I truly pray that God will help him and send him down a proper path. He's wronged people, and that needs to be put right. I sincerely hope that he will find God one day and will change his ways to a more moral way of living.


Posted by: alisha119

Maybe she acts like that, but she is here, which means the Holy Spirit moved on her to bring her here to be shown the truth. Whether or not she chooses to recieve it, she should still be entitled to hear it. I don't believe anyone posting as a non believer is 100% lost, if they were that set in their way, I don't think they would be here. Their spirit is willing, they just don't want to admit it.


Posted by: bill & alexis

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Originally Posted by alisha119
Maybe she acts like that, but she is here, which means the Holy Spirit moved on her to bring her here to be shown the truth. Whether or not she chooses to recieve it, she should still be entitled to hear it. I don't believe anyone posting as a non believer is 100% lost, if they were that set in their way, I don't think they would be here. Their spirit is willing, they just don't want to admit it.
Alisha,
I did a little bit of research on this character, and he is a total scam artist - even pheining his own death, so he can continue to propagate his lies...

Here is a quote from another website where it is announcing this person - by his alias name - as being dead. He even posts a script for his alias to rest in peace - signed by a long dead french poet/writer - who he probably thinks he is the reincarnated from - or has a parallel life to him...

Here is the post:

[color=#******]Posted by: PR_Bot
On: Thu December, 2 2004 * 20:37 GMT[/color]
Rest in peace Max...you will be missed!

IW

"The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he no longer exists..."

Charles Baudelaire

Isn't his quote "funny?" Using the very tactics of his "dad" to deceive people??? If that is what he wants - let him have as he asks - turn him over to his "dad" - the devil!

I praise the Lord our God! May his righteousness expose every liar and cheat! God, will not be mocked - let each harvest what they have sown!

I will inform Pastor Jerry of this snake...
-Bill


Posted by: alisha119

Maybe so, but let us remember that the spirit is always willing, no matter what the mind and body do. Whatever he does read, it will be heard. Whether he likes it or not. God is inside us all. Still, thanks for the advice.
Alisha