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Can Christians Vote For John Kerry?

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Posted by: ANOINTED WARRIOR

ANOINTED WARRIOR:
Note I am seeing this through a spiritual aspect in who is behind the roots of abortion, same sex marriage etc. For me I dont see political figures I see either Gods will being done through someone or satan trying to bring about his plans of destruction on America. VOTE WISELY!!
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This is another message that was forwarded to me. It has many valid scriptural references. After reading this and reviewing the scriptural references you be your own judge.
I've done my homework.
Spirit of Truth Ministries
In His Service
Duane

Ten Biblical Reasons We Cannot

The evangelical vote decided the elections of Presidents Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton. In 2000, while 57% of professed "born-again" Christians voted for George W. Bush, 42% voted for Al Gore or a third party candidate. Will undecided believers similarly move toward John Kerry in 2004?

In light of Biblical Truth The CHPA Committee Election Fund examines ten major issues that prevent a Christian from voting for John Kerry. Please prayerfully consider the following:




1) Kerry Will Prolong America's Abortion Nightmare
John Kerry has long opposed every pro-life measure offered in the U.S. Senate while avidly advocating abortion rights. NARAL rates Kerry's record as 100% "pro-choice." His support for human embryo research will lead to tax-funded harvesting of human embryos. God promises to punish any people who passively tolerate the shedding of innocent blood (Gen 4:9-11; 9:5-6; Ex 20:13; 21:22-23; Lev 20:1-5; Dt 19:10-13; Ps 9:17; Pr 1:11-1624:11-12).


2) He Will Advance the Homosexual Agenda, Including Civil "Unions" & "Marriages"
God calls homosexuality an "abomination" (Lev 18:22-30). Sodom and Gommorah serve as a perpetual reminder of God's displeasure with this perversion (Jude 5-7). Yet Kerry wants to welcome openly gay and trans-sexual men and women into the military. He supports gay civil unions - with spousal benefits. He voted against the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996, which protects states' rights not to recognize "gay" marriages performed elsewhere. Kerry vows to make local offenses against homosexuals federal "hate" crimes.


3) Kerry Will Continue Systematically to Destroy the Traditional Family
God made family the cornerstone of human civilization, yet Kerry opposes any Federal Marriage Amendment. His committment to abortion, feminism, homosexuality, increased taxes, etc., will destroy families. Under Kerry, The ACLU, People for the American Way, The United Nations, Planned Parenthood and Hollywood will shape federal family policy (Gen 1:27-28; 2:23-24; Dt 6:4-7; Neh 4:14; Is 3:12-15; Eph 5:22-6:4; Col 3:16-21; 1 Tim 3:4; 5:8).


4) He Will Appoint Judges Hostile To Christianity & God's Moral Order
Kerry promises to appoint only "pro-choice" lifetime Supreme Court justices and federal judges. Long after Kerry is gone, his leftist judges will override congresses, presidents and the American people, tyrannizing Christians and refashioning a legal system devoid of the morals essential for America's survival (Dt 16:18-20; Pr 16:12; 17:15; 22:28; Is 59:2-15; Mic 3:9-12).


5) Clinton Era Truth, Morality & Ethics Will Return Under Kerry
Flip-flopping, campaign lies, anger & hatred have characterized the Kerry campaign against President Bush and will be redirected against Christians and conservatives across America, emboldening officials who despise God and Biblical righteousness (Ps 64:6-9; 89:14-15; Is 1:23-28; 59:1-15).


6) Kerry Will Further the Liberal Indoctrination of America's Children
God commands parents to engraft their children with Scripture and a Christian worldview. Yet, having made promises to the ultra-liberal National Education Association, Kerry will increase federal funding for teachers and expand the power of Christ-less public education (Dt 6:4-9; 11:18-21; 1 Sam 8:9-18; Pr 22:6; Jer 9:2a; Mt 18:5-6; Eph 6:4).



7) He Will Plunge America Deeper into Humanistic Socialism
Creeping socialism has displaced individual liberty, economic freedom and the Lordship of Christ in America. Many Americans now look to government to meet their needs (1 Sam 8:6-7). Productive workers are overtaxed to fund an endless array of unconstitutional government benefits. John Kerry wants to raise taxes and revive the era of "Big Government" (Ex 20:15; 1 Sam 8:10-18; Neh 5:3-5).


8) Kerry's Radical Environmentalism Will Weaken America
Kerry will attempt to please liberal environmentalists to whom he is indebted. He will embrace some form of the Kyoto Protocol, which experts warn will cost the U.S. billions in compliance costs, trillions in lost GDP, bankruptcy for a million small businesses, millions of lost jobs and a 40% to 90% increase in consumer prices, including the cost of fuel Kerry will impose radical environmentalist solutions upon businesses, governments and private property owners via far-reaching regulations (Ex 20:3-6; Dt 4:14-19; Is 44:13-20; 45:18-20; Rom 1:18-23).



9) He Will Rush to Yield American Sovereignty to the UN & Others
Kerry's speeches reveal his strong intention to subordinate America's national interests to that of the "World Community." Kerry will entangle the U.S. in a plethora of international treaties whose terms will supercede our own laws. Questions of whether America will act to defend itself will be submitted to the U.N. Security Council and "world opinion" (Gen 11:5-9; Dt 32:7-8; Ps 22:28; Is 2:4; Mt 24:6-14; Acts 17:26-28; Rev 19:11-16).


10) Kerry Will Neuter America's Military & Embolden our Enemies
National security is a God-ordained role of civil government (Rom 13). Kerry's well-known antagonism toward the military, lie-filled congressional testimony, radical anti-war activities, unwillingness to back our troops in vote after vote and opposition to improved weapons and intelligence systems, all disqualify him from leading our troops. (1 Chr 12:32-38; Ez 3:1-6; Pr 22:3; Lk 11:21-22; 14:31-32; Jn 10:10-16; I Tim 5:8).




Can anyone hear the sound of Major Judgements coming from God if we dont stick to biblical values?
I DO




Posted by: marine

Quote:
Can Christians Vote For John Kerry?

No you can not


What Col Day wants now is to stop John Kerry from being elected President.

Col. Day did it surprise you to hear of an officer's giving such testimony?

DAY: It astonished me, because basically it was a breach of faith with those people he had served with. It was absolutely untrue that we were committing atrocities there. It was absolutely untrue that we were raping women and murdering children and doing all those kinds of things. And either he knew that was untrue, or he should have known just from his own experiences . . . Later, I found out that he had made these two visits to meet with Le Duc Tho in Paris, and push the enemy's seven-point piece plan--which amounted to us tendering some kind of ransom for the POWs, and under Kerry's condition we would come home, and then Kerry said we would apologize for ever having been in the war. It told me that he really was a man of Benedict Arnold qualities, because that's what Benedict Arnold did. He fought for the country and then crossed over to the British…


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I do not understand why Senator Kerry was not arrested for treason.

He gave comfort to the enemy
He has said we should apologize for going to Vietnam
He said we were war criminals.

Can a Christian vote for Kerry

NO



Posted by: JeriRose12

If a Christian wants Communism in America, go for it. I saw a window sticker that says "People of faith....for Kerry and Edwards." I don't know what sand there head is burried in! Dave Meyer told us, at the Joyce Meyer conference, that America is one step from the last stage in the fall of civilizations (the longest age of ANY nation is about 200, and we have made it past that....). We are in the "dependency" stage -- you, know everyone depending on the government for a hand out. The next and last stage is 'bondage." If you would like to be in slavery to the Communist system, vote for Kerry. Do you know that we have concentration camps here that were used for the Japenese during World War ll? Sounds like a dandy place to ship all the Christians who dare to make a stand against Kerry's politics. NO , a Christian CAN NOT vote for Kerry!!!

~JeriRose~
Finding HIM in 2004




Posted by: Ready4Rapture

Just PRAY before you vote and the Lord will make the right choice for you, according to his will.



Posted by: marine

My unit in Vietnam


Why are we Vietnam Vets so mad at Kerry
He is responsible for killing 4.5 million people


We went to Vietnam to save lives.
Because of Kerry's action after the war

Kerry is responsible of 4,500,000 deaths

The bible says that blood is on his hands.

Yes 50,000 Americans died before we left
but 1.5 million died in Vietnam and 3 million died in Cambodia
because we broke our word.

I would hate to be Kerry in Hell because
of all the murder he is responsible for.

He called us the baby killers
He is the real baby killer

Now he wants to do that in Iraq.
If the muslims cut off the heads of those who are helping us now
can you imagine what will happen to the 250,000 Iraqie soldiers
who are in the new army helping America.
By Muslim law they must kill them, their wives and their children.

Do you want the blood of over a million people on your hands.
The same demon that killed the south Vietnamese army
after we left Vietnam will Kill all those who have helped
us in Iraq if we listen to Kerry.


I am so afraid he is going to do it again


If we leave Iraq the way we left Vietnam and you voted for Kerry pray he does not do it again
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Quote:
Can a Christian vote for Kerry

NO



Posted by: GoldGrace24-7

I pray that God is still in control in America!

I pray that He(Kerry who is not man of God) will be defeated in this coming weeks vote!

I pray that God's Will be done in USA!!!

I surrender all the land into Jesus his hand, he will take care of it!

In Jesus name, I pray, amen!



Posted by: JG


Now that's is using your head

Dear Marine:

Thank you for your post.
Most people believe Kerry saved lives by helping stop the Vietnam War.
The fact is he caused the deaths of over 4 million people.

I see you know that but very few people ever talk about it.

The pleople I came to know in Vietnam died because we deserted them.
I will never forget the words of one who said
"please do not leave us alone"
"Please do not leave vietnam until we are strong"
"you do not know how bad it will be if you leave"
"we have placed our trust in you and if you leave they will kill us and our families"

sadly to say that came true.

Now I am hearing the same crys from Iraq
Please do not leave us alone.
The same people who are cutting off american heads
will do the same to the people who helped us.

If we desert the people in Iraq now over one million innocent people will die.

Kerry does not have the courage or character to see the job done.

Semper Fi my friend
Pastor Jerry

Please pray for our President
Please register to vote
Please vote for Bush.




Posted by: JeriRose12

Dear Lord, please wake Christians up to their responsibilites! Some say politics can't solve anything. But this is not about politics! This is about voting in a man of character vs. a man with no back bone.... Can't people see that? Why are Christians sleeping? Why do they think who we vote for is so unimportant? Please, please, please, we REPENT of our apathy! We will pray, and we will vote for Bush! I pray he will win by a land slide! This nation will stand or fall on who we vote for. WAKE UP Your poeple to get involved and do whatever it takes that we may have a President who has Biblical convictions in the White House. Thank You, Lord, for sounding the warning, and that Your people ARE listening....

~JeriRose~
Finding YOU in 2004




Posted by: JG

These are the real heros in America. For the production of the Stolen Honor documentary, interviews were conducted with 17 Vietnam POWs whose time in prison amounted to 109 years and three months.  These distinguished, highly decorated individuals share their experiences and perspective in this compelling program. They have 2 Medals of Honor, 25 Silver Stars, 28 Bronze Stars and many more. These men all say they were tortured because of what Senator John Kerry did after he came back from Vietnam. They all say Senator John Kerry if unfit for command. They say men died because he lied about what happened in Vietnam. They say The Vietnamiese toutured them while shouting the words of Kerry. They say John Kerry is a traitor.>>>>>>

Name: Kenneth W. Cordier
Hometown: Canton , OH
POW time: 6 yrs, 3 mos, 1 day
Awards:

 


Name: George E. "Bud" Day
Hometown: Sioux City, Iowa
POW time: 5 yrs, 7 mos, 13 days
Entered 1967- Discharge 1973
Awards:

Medal of Honor
Air Force Cross
Distinguished Service Medal
Silver Star
Bronze Star
Legion of Merit
Distinguished Flying Cross
Purple Heart
Vietnamese Gallantry Crosses
Vietnamese Wings.
and 41 other combat medals
He is the most highly decorated officer since General Douglass MacArthur

Col George E. "Bud" Day is the nation’s most highly decorated soldier since General Douglas MacArthur. He served in World War II, Korea and Vietnam, receiving more than 50 combat awards and the Congressional Medal of Honor.

What he wants now is to stop John Kerry from being elected President.


For more than five years, Day resisted the North Vietnamese guards who tortured him. On one occasion in 1971, when guards burst in with rifles as some of the American prisoners gathered for a forbidden religious service, Major Day stood up, looked down the muzzles of the guns, and began to sing "The Star-Spangled Banner." The other men, including James Stockdale, the ranking U.S. officer in the prison, joined him


Name: Jack H. Fellowes
Hometown: Virginia Beach, VA
POW time: 6 years, 6 months, 6 days
Awards:

Silver Star
Two Legions of Merit
Distinguished Flying Cross
Three Bronze Stars
Five Air Medals
Two Purple Hearts


Name: Ralph E. Gaither
Hometown: Miami, FL
POW time: 7 years, 3 months, 23 days
Entered 1962 - Discharge 1986
Awards:

Two Silver Stars
Two Legions of Merit
Distinguished Flying Cross
Four Bronze Stars
Six Air Medals
Two Purple Hearts

Retired Lt. Ralph E. Gaither, U.S. Air Force veteran and author of With God in a POW Camp, spent more than seven years as a POW. He reports in the documentary that Kerry's antiwar action proved deadly to his colleagues:

We didn’t realize how powerful the movement was until toward the end of the war. I dedicated the book I wrote to John Frederick – he died 6 months before we came home. John would probably have been alive had the antiwar movement not been doing what they were doing. The Vietnamese grew great relish in the movement in support for their cause. I’m convinced that they held on to the war until after Nixon was reelected. They felt Nixon would not be re-elected, that the antiwar movement would be strong enough to get him out of office.


Name: Paul E. Galanti
Hometown: Lodi, NJ
POW time: 6 years, 7 months, 24 days
Awards:

Silver Star
Two Legions of Merit
Bronze Star
Nine Air Medals
Two Purple Hearts



Name: Carlyle S. "Smitty" Harris
Hometown: Tupelo , MS
POW time: 7 years, 10 months, 8 days
Awards:

Two Silver Stars
Three Legions of Merit
Distinguished Flying Award
Two Bronze Stars
Two Air Medals
Two Purple Hearts


Name: Gordon A. "Swede" Larson
POW time: 5 years, 10 months
Hometown: San Antonio, TX
Awards:

Silver Star
Legion of Merit
Four Distinguished Flying Crosses
Bronze Star
Purple Heart
Distinguished Service Medal


Name: Kevin McManus
Hometown: Oakton , VA
POW time: 5 yrs, 8 mos, 4 days
Awards:

Silver Star
Legion of Merit
Bronze Star
Distinguished Flying Cross
Air Medal
Purple Heart

Retired Air Force veteran Captain Kevin McManus -- who received the Silver Star, Legion of Merit, Bronze Star, Distinguished flying Cross, Air Medal and Purple Heart -- spent five years and eight months in the prison camps. He says:

The first knowledge of John Kerry, really, that I can recall now was after we came back, he had made apparently some statements that essentially said that all the Americans over there were war criminals and committed atrocious acts. I had a big problem with that, not so much for me...but thousands of guys who died had no chance to hold their own against Kerry. So essentially he desecrated all the war dead and their families, with no chance of them ever replying.


Name: Thomas M. McNish
Hometown: Franklin, NC
POW time: 6 yrs, 6 mos
Awards:

Three Silver Stars
Legion of Merit
Distinguished Flying Cross
Three Bronze Stars
Two Purple Hearts
Three Meritorious Service Medals



Name: Thomas S. Pyle
Hometown: Wilmington, DE
POW time: 6 yrs, 6 mos 26 days
Awards:

Two Silver Stars
Three Bronze Stars
Two Purple Hearts
Legion of Merit
Air Medal
Meritorious Service Medal

Air Force Veteran Retired Lt. Colonel Thomas S. Pyle echoed Thorsness:

It’s come out since the war, you read what the Vietnamese have said about the war, what they’ve written about the war, their strategy was they recognized that they could not win the war militarily. The only way they could win the war was to destroy the will of the American people to support the war. And that was the strategy all along. They knew they would have to suffer horrendous losses to be able to do that and they were willing to do it, that was part of their plan up front.

Pyle earned two Silver Stars, three Bronze Stars, two Purple Hearts, the Legion of Merit, Air Medal and Meritorious Service Medal. He spent six-and-a-half years in the Hanoi Hilton.


Name: Robinson Risner
Hometown: Tulsa, Ok
POW time: 7 years, 4 months, 27 days
Awards:

Two Air Force Cross
Distinguished Service Medal
Two Silver Stars
Three Distinguished Flying Crosses
Bronze Star
Eight Air Medals


Retired Air Force Brig. Gen. Robinson Risner, who fought in World War II, Korea and Vietnam, won two Air Force Crosses, Distinguished Service Medal, two Silver Stars, three Distinguished Flying Crosses, the Bronze Star and eight Air Medals. Risner remembers how the anti-American demonstrators gladdened his captors' hearts during his seven years, four months as a POW in Vietnam:

I was in pain a lot of the time. I was being treated inhumanely… I know we had more than one person come to Vietnam, who the Vietnamese told me [were helping them win] the war in the streets of America. I certainly didn’t approve of that. I didn’t think it was right for an American to come over and bolster the Vietnamese morale.

The Swift Vets have used much of the same information and footage from Kerry’s testimony in their television advertisements against the Democratic presidential nominee, which seem to be having a significant impact on Kerry’s campaign. On Aug. 26, Noelle Straub reported in the Boston Herald, “although Kerry has stayed roughly even in national polls, his support among veterans -- a significant voting bloc -- has dropped significantly since the group launched its first ad.”

While there is no official connection between “Stolen Honor” and the Swift Vets, former Vietnam POW Paul Galianti, who spent seven years in the Hanoi Hilton, has participated in both projects. He is seen in the Swift Vets second advertisement, stating, “John Kerry gave the enemy for free what I and many of my comrades in North Vietnam, in the prison camps, took torture to avoid saying.”

Galianti was held in the same prison camp as Arizona Senator John McCain. Carl Limbacher at Newsmax.com reported on Aug. 5, 2004, that although McCain has criticized the Swift Boat Vets recently, he himself spoke out against John Kerry and other antiwar protestors in a 1973 US News and World Report article.

In a piece he wrote for the May 14, 1973, issue of U.S. News & World Report, the POW-turned-senator charged that testimony by Kerry and others before J. William Fulbright's Senate Foreign Relations Committee was "the most effective propaganda [my North Vietnamese captors] had to use against us…

“All through this period,” McCain told U.S. News, his captors were “bombarding us with anti-war quotes from people in high places back in Washington. This was the most effective propaganda they had to use against us.”


Name: Robert H. Shumaker
Hometown: New Wilmington, PA
POW time: 8 yrs, 1 day
Awards:

Distinguished Service Medal
Two Silver Stars
Four Legions of Merit
Distinguished Flying Cross
Bronze Star
Two Purple Hearts


Name: Thomas J. Sterling
Hometown: Fort Walton Beach, FL
POW time: 5 yrs, 10 mos 15 days
Awards:

Silver Star
Legion of Merit
Distinguished Flying Cross
Bronze Star
Two Purple Hearts
Two Air Medals


Name: Leo K. Thorsness
Hometown: Walnut Grove, MN
POW time: 5 years, 19 days
Awards:

Medal of Honor
Silver Star
Six Distinguished Flying Crosses
Ten Air Medals
Two Purple Hearts
Good Conduct Medal

Retired Colonel Leo K. Thorsness -- a Vietnam Air Force veteran and recipient of the Medal of Honor, Silver Star, six Distinguished Flying Crosses, 10 Air Medals, two Purple Hearts and the Good Conduct Medal -- spent five years and 19 days as a POW. In “Stolen Honor” he reports:

A measure of patriotism is his loyalty to those still in uniform. That’s totally contrary to what he did. That makes him totally unpatriotic or loyal. He was over there fighting, he came home and there were still people he knew over there fighting, and he starts talking about war crimes and the atrocities we’re committing. He’s putting them in dire jeopardy. Every military combat guy I’ve talked to from Vietnam said their greatest fear was not being killed; it was becoming a POW. As you know, there were people captured in South Vietnam who were literally skinned alive…And Kerry’s giving the captors ammunition to treat people like that if they’re captured. And these are people he knew. Where in the world is his loyalty to the people in the military?

Thorsness says Kerry's actions caused them to be imprisoned -- and tortured -- longer than they would otherwise have been. He also mentions the (successful) North Vietnamese strategy to drag out the war in hopes that the antiwar movement would cause America to defeat itself:

Without question, we were held captives longer, because of the antiwar people, from the Kerrys to Fonda and Hayden...They encouraged the enemy to hang on. And the enemy would have hung on to us forever had not a man by the name of Richard Nixon gone in there with B-52s in December of 1972 and said enough is enough. They understood force, but they were experts at the PR.


Name: Jack L. Van Loan
Hometown: Corvalis , OR
POW time: 5 years, 9 months, 15 days
Awards:

Silver Star
Legion of Merit
Distinguished Flying Cross
Bronze Star
Meritorious Service Medal
Purple Heart

 


Name: James H. Warner
Hometown: Ypisalanti, MI
POW time: 5 years, 5 months, 1 day
Awards:

Silver Star
Legion of Merit
Two Bronze Stars
Two Purple Hearts
Eleven Air Medals
Navy Commendation Medal

Retired Captain James H. Warner -- a Marine who was held in North Vietnam for five years, five months -- is a recipient of the Legion of Merit, two Bronze Stars, two Purple Hearts, 11 Air Medals and the Navy Commendation Medal.[1] Warner gives some of the most powerful testimony of how John Kerry’s words were used against POWs in “Stolen Honor:”

In the Spring of 1971, I was taken with 35 others to a camp outside of Hanoi. All of us were put in solitary confinement, and we were told this was a camp for punishment guys who were misbehaving. From the moment we were on the ground we were constantly fed propaganda, and the propaganda from home was always about the antiwar movement. After we had talked for quite some time, the interrogator showed me a transcript of testimony that my mother had given at something called the Winter Soldier hearings. I had no idea what these were. I read her testimony and it wasn’t damning, but then I saw some of the other stuff that had gone on at this Winter Soldier hearing, I wondered how did somebody get my mother persuaded to appear at something like this.

Shortly thereafter he showed me some statements from John Kerry. He said that John Kerry had helped organize the Winter Soldier hearings because he was so motivated because he had been an American officer, served in the U.S. Navy. And then he started reading some of the statements that John Kerry had made. I’m sorry I can’t quote them, but essentially he accused all of us in Vietnam of being criminals, that everything we had done was criminal. The North Vietnamese had told us from the time that we got their hands on us that we were criminals, that we were not covered by the Geneva Convention, so It was okay for them to do whatever they wanted to do to us. And they told us that they were going to put us on trial and some of us would be executed.

One of the things I remember being told that Kerry had said was that he demanded an immediate unilateral withdrawl of U.S. troops from Vietnam. Well, the only reason they were keeping us alive at all was to use as a bargaining chip to get U.S. troops out of Vietnam. It looked as though there’s rising pressure in the States for this [and] if the government gave in to that pressure and unilaterally withdrew the troops, what would be the purpose in keeping us alive? They would have executed us.

The interrogator went through all of these statements from John Kerry. He starts pounding on the table see, “Here, this naval officer, he admits that you are a criminal, and you deserve punishment”...I dind’t know what was going to come next. And for the rest of the time that we were in that camp I was very ill at ease...

[John Kerry] abandoned his comrades. He burned up his “Band of Brothers” membership card when he did that.


Name: Ronald J. Webb
Hometown: Gary, IN
POW time: 5 years, 8 months, 22 days
Awards:

Two Silver Stars
Defense Superior Service Medal
Two Legions of Merit
Distinguished Flying Cross
Two Bronze Stars
Two Purple Hearts

 


Name: Rep. Sam Johnson
Richardson, Texas
POW time: 6 years, 8 months,
Awards:

Two Silver Stars
Two Legions of Merit
Distinguished Flying Cross
One Bronze Stars
Two Purple Hearts

A decorated war hero, Johnson was awarded two Silver Stars, two Legions of Merit, the Distinguished Flying Cross, one Bronze Star with Valor, two Purple Hearts, four Air Medals, and three Outstanding Unit Awards.

Johnson said: "They played Jan Fonda's speech to the guys on the front line, where she talked through a loudspeaker and told them to lay down their arms and quit fighting," he recalled. "And John Kerry was part of that anti-war movement."

"He was a Jane Fonda type, if you will," added Johnson, who referred to Kerry on the House floor last month as "Hanoi John." "That's what most of the POWs refer to him as," he explained.

"[Kerry] let the veterans down. When you're in a war you don't go out there badmouthing your fellow soldiers," he noted, referring to Kerry's 1971 speech. "You know, that's a disservice to the veterans."

"Anybody who comes back and works against the best interests of the United States, in my view, doesn't deserve to be president of the United States," the former fighter ace said.

 





Posted by: prayyior

NO....a christian CANNOT vote for Kerry!

Principles, character, courage make a leader. Not promises from liars.
WE claim Holiness and Righteousness for our leaders. We claim those in the Name of Jesus Christ our Lord! We claim George W. Bush as the President of these United States of America! We also claim those who will honor God as Senators and Representatives. We Claim Washington DC for The CREATOR, and Lord of our Lives. We do this in the Name of Jesus the Christ! AMEN



Posted by: JeriRose12

I am so glad Leo K. Thorsness was on this video! He ran for office in the state of Washington a few years back and when we asked if the was pro-life he said, "110 percent." He is WAY COOL and definitely a hero to me! It was an honor to campagin for him! He wasn't voted in, but I always look on this man with honor and respect, not only for being a decorated war hero, but for taking a stand for righteousness. And, he was a complete gentleman, too.

Kerry? He's painted with a totally different stripe, and I don't think it's red, white and blue. We call them "watermellons" -- green on the outside (enviornmentalist), red on the inside (Communist).

We have no choice but George Walker Bush.

~JeriRose~
Finding HIM in 2004




Posted by: Ready4Rapture

Please be very careful folks! I think it's clear that most Christians will be voting for George Bush. But I CANNOT take on the authority to tell a Christian that he or she cannot vote for John Kerry, implying that they're are not Christian if they do. I know that everyone's heart is in the right place, but we do not know God's will for every voter, and should not imply that we do.

Christians can vote for anyone that God tells them to!

IF YOU DON'T PRAY BEFORE YOU VOTE, DON'T VOTE AT ALL!



Posted by: ANOINTED WARRIOR

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ready4Rapture
Please be very careful folks! I think it's clear that most Christians will be voting for George Bush. But I CANNOT take on the authority to tell a Christian that he or she cannot vote for John Kerry, implying that they're are not Christian if they do. I know that everyone's heart is in the right place, but we do not know God's will for every voter, and should not imply that we do.

Christians can vote for anyone that God tells them to!

IF YOU DON'T PRAY BEFORE YOU VOTE, DON'T VOTE AT ALL!

Hi ready4rapture, since I am the one who began this post I will say something concerning this post in (love)..

When I first posted this I asked Jesus if it would be ok for me to post this and had a sense in my spirit yes that I needed to.. The reason I posted this is because it made a good point in saying can we as Christians really vote for Mr. Kerry in accordance to Gods word in how he supports biblical values.. That is all this post I posted is about and is the most important thing wieghing heavily in this election.. Please dont be offended by this thats not what it was intended for.. It was intended to shine the light where he stands in moral issues with Gods word..

Being an intercessor and a watcman and a warrior for Jesus I cannot really allow satan to go roam as he pleases in the spirit through the plans he is trying to bring about upon america with destruction which includes same sex marriage, pro abortion, removing true biblical values. It is my job in the spirit as a warrior to stop the devil and all his hordes of evil from advancing in the spirit to stop him from manifesting his plans into the physical realm.. See when I look at these facts I do not see a political figure behind the roots of same sex marriage, abortion etc.. But instead see all the hordes of hell trying to bring upon america there infirmities and destruction.. None of that lines up with Gods word, so in my final comments all this is pointing out in the original post is how can we as Christians vote for something that is totally opposite of what God is wanting to do in bringing about his plan of righteousness and holiness upon this earth.. I cant control what others will say in this post but can control how the devil tries to bring about his plans on america and will be there in the spirit each step of the way as he tries to do so and he knows it ((HUGS)) all will be well... All this is more spiritual than physical to me..

I do understand where you are coming from but please dont be offended that is not what I meant to do here God Bless..



Posted by: Ready4Rapture

Understood. I think my biggest fear was for the "baby" Christians (new in Christ) on the list incorrectly perceiving your intentions.

Thanks for the clarification!!!

God Bless!



Posted by: JG


Please my friends I as asking you to please watch this video. This Video is a MUST watch for everyone and every Christian

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Thank you
Pastor Jerry




Posted by: JeriRose12

Look at the definiton of "Commuism" from my Webster's "New World Dictionary" and see how Mr. Kerry fits in. Communists say "Praise the party (not God)." Communists disregard God and create an atheistic socitety. Consider, then, whom a Christian can, in good conscious, vote for.


Communism: 1. any economic theory or system based on the ownership of all property by the community (no individual rights to do what you want with what YOU worked hard for) as a whole. [often C- ] a) a hypothetical stage of socialism as formulated by Marx, Lenin and others (Kerry?) , to be characterized by a classless and stateless society (is Kerry going to distribute his wife's millions to the poor so he, too is lower class?) and the equal distribution of economic goods (thus, “affordable health care for everyone”) and to be achieved by revolutionary (meaning war, while Kerry criticizes Bush for getting us in a war, when Bush was only trying to defend our freedom [what ARE the 40,000 new people in the military for.... since he says we shouldn't be in Iraq?]) and dictatorial, rather than gradualistic means. b) the form of government in the U.S.S.R. (that persecuted and killed MANY Christians) and China (still persecuting and killing MANY Christians), and other socialistic states, professing (not meaning they are actually doing it, just saying they are doing it) they are working toward this stage by means of state planning and control of the economy](does that mean OUR money through higher taxes, so they have more money to control?), a one-party political structure (I suspect Kerry wants a prarty with only liberal agenda, so no-one has a choice of any better candidates) , and an emphasis on the requirements of the state (more government in our lives, because they don't think we are capable of governing ourselves) rather than on the individual liberties (Christian's rights to preach whatever God tells them to from the pulpit even if it is not "politically correct", to picket at abortion clinics, to pray in schools....): cf, SOCIALISM. 3. (often C- ) a) a political movement for establishing a communistic system. b) the doctrines, methods, etc. of the Communist parties. 4. Loosely, communalism.

a political movement for establishing a communistic system.... Kerry seems to have started some kind of movement, brigning old time hippies and new time gen xers and baby busters together in a hatred of Bush and everything Bush stands for.... if you saw the televised protesting during the Rebublican convention, you know what I mean. It struck me that those who once said "Don't trust anyone over 30" were teaming up with those who WERE under 30....

~JeriRose~
Finding HIM in 2004




Posted by: JeriRose12

Here's a good test, no prayer required, just read God's Word and be obedient:

1 Blessed is the man
who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked
or stand in the way of sinners
or sit in the seat of mockers.
2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD,
and on his law he meditates day and night.
3 He is like a tree planted by streams of water,
which yields its fruit in season
and whose leaf does not wither.
Whatever he does prospers.

4 Not so the wicked!
They are like chaff
that the wind blows away.
5 Therefore the wicked will not stand in the judgment,
nor sinners in the assembly of the righteous.

6 For the LORD watches over the way of the righteous,
but the way of the wicked will perish.



Who walks in the counsel of the wicked (ungoldy, some translastions) and stands in the way of sinners? Who's delight is in the law of the Lord and he meditates on it day and night? Mr. Bushes daughters said he reads his Bible EVERY DAY. You can tell by the issues Kerry supports and votes for and campagins for that he IS wicked. I am not to walk in the counsel of the ungodly. Why would I even NEED to pray before I vote? The issue is not did I pray first, the issue is did I get educated and find out where the candidates stand on the issues that matter to God? Then, once I know which candidate honors God, did I pray that he would get elected? Sometimes we pray for things that just need US to do some homework, so we will know God's answer that we are asking for. To all baby Christians, don't take my or anyone else's word for it, find out for yourself where the candidates stand on the issues and vote for the candidate that upholds Biblical values.

~JeriRose~
Finding HIM in 2004




Posted by: ANOINTED WARRIOR

Vote For the Anointing"
by Francis Frangipane



To obtain conformity to Christ means we are seeking to serve God with the very same character, purpose, and empowerment (or "anointing") that was revealed in Jesus. Yet, Christ-likeness is not something we mimic, but a life that flows to us from Christ Himself and is worked in us via the Holy Spirit (see Phil 3). This is why our primary focus is not upon the outer form or style of our worship, but upon the Person we worship. Yes, to be conformed to Jesus in all things is true worship perfected.

When we speak of conformity to God's Son, we mean that the very same anointing that rested upon Him, now rests upon us. In the Bible, when one was anointed, it denoted that an individual had been chosen and prepared by God to serve in a role of either priestly, prophetic, or kingly authority. As Israel's Messiah, Christ was the perfect embodiment of these three functions of the anointing. This is not new teaching about Jesus Christ. If you are born again of the Holy Spirit, you have received a living power which is also working in you the manifest life - the anointed life - of Jesus Christ (see 2 Cor 4:7-11). God's goal is not just to bring us to Christ when we die, but to manifest Christ where we live.

Remember, the title Christ means "Anointed One." To truly know the Lord Jesus is to understand His Messianic identity as Israel's Anointed. To be conformed to Him, however, is to walk in His anointing (see 1 Jn 2:6). Thus, as we near the end of the age, the true church will be increasingly identified by Christ's three-fold anointing: we will be given to intercession as a priesthood of believers; we will be prophetic in our discernment and communication of God's word (whether the word comes to teach, comfort, evangelize, or warn); and in all of life's spheres, we will walk in a holy, kingly anointing, as ambassadors of Christ and His kingship in heaven (see 2 Cor 5:20).

Christ's Fullness

Yet, this last arena, the transference of Christ's representative governmental authority to the church, has been resisted by many Christians. While most might accept the authority of Christ to help in their sphere of influence, even sincere believers question the legitimacy of godly leaders being called to serve in government. They ask for New Testament teaching to confirm this doctrine.

The very fact that Jesus Christ sits as king in heaven, and that His expressed will is that we be conformed to His image in all things (Rom 8:29), validates that He will have disciples who will manifest His governmental anointing on earth. For, "as He is, so also are we in this world" (1 John 4:17). You see, God has called His church to one goal: reveal the fullness of Christ.

We should learn from past mistakes, but not limit our potential because of them. Our birthright cannot be measured by the failures of our past, but against the stature of Christ-likeness. Our confidence must abide in the Father's ability to fulfill what He has spoken concerning us. Therefore, let us forget for a moment our current limitations and consider with reverence our spiritual potential. And let us not be staggered by unbelief, but with faith pray, "be it done to me according to Your word" (Lk 1:38).

John writes,

"For of His fullness we have all received, and grace upon grace." John 1:16

Paul states,

"The church...is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all." Ephesians 1:22-23

Again, Paul says the height of our destiny is nothing less than "the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ" (Eph 4:13).

God's will is not that our growth be stunted halfway to full maturity, but that we know and walk in the full anointing of Christ! Consider: the proof that Elisha had truly received Elijah's anointing was that Elisha did the works of Elijah (2 Kings 2:8-15). Likewise, the anointing that rests upon us should, in time, produce the very same life that we see in Christ, our heavenly King (see Jn 14:12). Thus, when someone questions the validity of Christians serving in government, we have only to point them to the prayer Christ taught: "Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven." Indeed, every time we pray those words, someone is receiving grace to represent the character and interests of Christ in our governmental settings.

The Kingly Anointing

Again, the question arises, "But the realm of kingly or governmental authority is fraught with the corrupting influence of power. Why would God send His servants into secular leadership?"

Hebrews 11 tells us that God specifically sends His servants into world systems to transform them and lead nations toward heaven. Consider: From verse 22 through verse 34 of Hebrews 11, each person given as an example of faith was an individual raised up by God to lead their nation. Who would like to inform the righteous kings of Judah, from David to Josiah, that it was not God's will for them to be in power? Whisper this idea, that God does not anoint and send people into world leadership, to Daniel and see if he concurs. You see, God has always had it in His heart to raise up men and women who serve Him in wisdom and righteousness, whom He uses to bring multitudes to Himself.

Consider God's word to Abraham:

"As for Me, behold, My covenant is with you, and you will be the father of a multitude of nations. No longer shall your name be called Abram, but your name shall be Abraham; for I have made you the father of a multitude of nations. I will make you exceedingly fruitful, and I will make nations of you, and kings will come forth from you." Genesis 17:4-6

For over two thousand years, from Abraham to Christ, God worked primarily with Israel and its line of kings. However, His promise to Abraham was that he would be a father of "a multitude of nations." He never has abandoned Israel, yet three times in the above promise the Lord mentions that many nations would look upon Abraham as their father. He then adds, "and kings will come forth from you" (vs. 6).

It has always been in God's heart to bring nations to Himself, but it wasn't until Christ came that the grace of God could truly spread worldwide. The fact is, you cannot bring nations to God without turning the government of those nations to God as well. So the Lord tells Abraham, "kings will come...from you." Kings exercise authority over nations. Paul speaks of this, in principle, in the New Testament when he urged "that entreaties and prayers, petitions and thanksgivings, be made on behalf of all men, for kings and all who are in authority" (1 Tim 2:1-2).

In the Lord's promise to Abraham, the Hebrew word for kings referred to "officials of many levels." This word, kings (Melek in Hebrew), was a "very common term for virtually any magistrate" (Zodhiates Hebrew-Greek Key Study Bible). In other words, among those who were to come forth from Abraham would be a generation of godly leaders whose sphere of influence would be felt in every strata of secular authority.

Isaiah 60 also speaks of "nations" that would come to our light and "kings" to the brightness of our rising (Isa 60:1-3). Again, kings here is the same word that encompassed all levels of secular authority. This promise of God is not only for the millennium, but also for now, during the time when "darkness will cover the earth and deep darkness the peoples" (vs. 2). Just because the cultural atmosphere is charged with demonic darkness, it does not mean the Almighty has abandoned society. God desires to raise up warring priests who intercede for mercy; He has prophets who call His people to repentance and vision; and He is preparing leaders who will rule righteously with wisdom and meekness.

The Gift of Democracy

Only in recent times has mankind been given a wonderful gift from God: democracy. For approximately 5700 years, the entire world order was ruled by kings and tribal chiefs (except briefly in Athens). Even today, nearly half the world does not elect their government leaders.

With democracy, we do not have to wait for a king or dictator to die to hope that his heir will be more righteous. In America, every four years we are given the opportunity to pray and decide who shall guide our nation. This means that we can choose godly leaders to guide us. Of course, no one is perfect. We will always struggle with the apparent imperfections of any candidate; we will never stop needing the priestly role of intercession to redeem our leaders' errors. But in democracies, we have the opportunity to realize the anointing of Christ in governmental systems. It is a tremendous gift from God!

Am I saying that democracy is the same as heaven? No, absolutely not! Not until Jesus returns will we realize the fullness of God's kingdom. Remember, we said that our goal is not to see the church become political, but the political realm become spiritual, where the integrity, wisdom, and justice of Christ - the anointing of the Messiah Himself - manifests in godly leadership.

People say, "The Lord will decide who is elected. I'm not voting." Excuse me, but in democracies God chooses to work through the voting system. We will always have to trust the Lord no matter who is elected, and we should pray that He "stir up" the spirits of godly people to vote, but He will not override the mechanics of our democratic nation. Thus, we must choose our officials with prayer and principled wisdom. We must also encourage others and work to see godly leaders positioned in government; and where godliness does not exist, we must pray for leaders that they might come to Christ.

How do we discern among candidates which individual is capable of receiving Christ's anointing for government? First, we must look beyond an individual's debating skills and ask, does this man or woman bow to Christ as their ruler? You see, to that leader, Jesus must be revealed as the King of kings. Not until a person genuinely bows before Christ, is he fit to rise and lead the people.

One last thing: No matter who is elected, God calls us to pray for our leaders with faith and mercy, trusting in God's goodness. I am not telling you for whom you should vote, but urging you to vote with vision and prayer. Which candidate do you feel can be most influenced by Christ to lead our nation? Vote for the individual who, as best as you can tell, is most open to the anointing of Christ the King.









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Jesus release on all who read this message above a mighty anointing..