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Can demons attack you while you're sleeping?

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Posted by: Frederik

Or can a demon enter a christian while he's sleeping? Does this mean that his "shields" are down while he's sleeping?
Does anybody know this?


Posted by: christythompson

Demons can attack you any time. As far as entering goes...being asleep does not make you vulnerable. There is a difference between being attacked and being entered or posessed.


Posted by: Sulten

Fredrick I agree with Christy. I also think it is really important to pray for a hedge of protection around you at all times. Jerry has a lesson about putting on the armour of God every day. We become vulnerable when we let sin in and give the adversary more power over us. Put I know prayer is a powerful weapon against those kinds of things.


Posted by: Frederik

Is this not a bit too much?
Does this mean I have to pray for a hedge all the time and once I forget it Satan and his demons can directly attack me? Come on....


Posted by: christythompson

Satan and his demonic forses are attacking us all the time. When he starts to affect me, I command Satan gone out of my life as needed. I pray for a hedge of protection. One of Satans lies is lulling you, getting you comfortable to not think he is alive, real and active in this world. He is as real as Jesus is. Sin lets satan in....its an open door so we do well to slam it shut and repent all the while rebuking Satan out of our lives. A hedge of protection as needed when attacks are fierce and turmoil is great, should not be scoffed at...


Posted by: Frederik

This means that supposing you forget to pray for your hedge only 1 time that God will directly allow Satan to destroy you, right? Is this what you believe?


Posted by: Sulten

I have to strongly agree with Christy. The Lord would not command us to pray always if this was not necessary. The adversary is very cunning and patient. I believe that we have to put on the armour of God daily as Jerry says. We are commanded to "pray always" as Satan desires to have us. We can't take it lightly and have the same results. Prayer is a very real and powerful tool against the temptations of the adversary. It gives us strength to overcome those temptations.

Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation...

Watch ye and pray, lest ye enter into tempation. The spirit truly is ready but the flesh is weak.

And he spake a parable unto them to this end, that men ought always to pray, and not to faint...


Posted by: pickone

Ro 8:28
And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.


Posted by: christythompson

God give you the tools to chart your destiny. If Satan destroys you it is because You let him not God.


Posted by: StevenHenderson

Quote:
Originally Posted by christythompson
God give you the tools to chart your destiny. If Satan destroys you it is because You let him not God.



Have you ever read Job?


Posted by: Frederik

Oh boy, what is going on here?
Calm down Christy, okay?????????????????????????


Posted by: christythompson

Yes, However Job was before Christ and we have power in the name of Jesus.


Posted by: Claudia Ogle

Hello Frederick,

In reply to your email, the Bible says in Psalm 91:10 no evil shall befall you nor shall any plague come nigh unto your dwelling, there is also a Scripture in the Bible that says when the whole Earth is sleeping the enemy walks around like a roaring lion seeking for whom he may devour. Note that the Bible does not say when the Earth is awake but when the Earth is sleeping. Before sleeping one must always plead the Blood of Jesus Christ upon their homes, that means the windows and every entrance that the enemy can gain entrance, plead the Blood of Jesus Christ over yourself when sleeping, assign the Angels of God to protect you whilst sleeping, He said that He will give His Angels charge over you.

We must also remember the areas that we live in there are spiritual hosts of wickedness that come out at night waiting to pounce upon us, and when sleeping we are more vulnerable than when we are awake.

Read Psalm 91 the whole chapter and let the Holy Spirit give you insight to this Scripture.

Blessings,

Claudia
SOUTH AFRICA Despatching darkness and declaring that Jesus Christ is Lord


Posted by: StevenHenderson

Quote:
Originally Posted by Claudia Ogle
Hello Frederick,

In reply to your email, the Bible says in Psalm 91:10 no evil shall befall you nor shall any plague come nigh unto your dwelling, there is also a Scripture in the Bible that says when the whole Earth is sleeping the enemy walks around like a roaring lion seeking for whom he may devour. Note that the Bible does not say when the Earth is awake but when the Earth is sleeping. Before sleeping one must always plead the Blood of Jesus Christ upon their homes, that means the windows and every entrance that the enemy can gain entrance, plead the Blood of Jesus Christ over yourself when sleeping, assign the Angels of God to protect you whilst sleeping, He said that He will give His Angels charge over you.

We must also remember the areas that we live in there are spiritual hosts of wickedness that come out at night waiting to pounce upon us, and when sleeping we are more vulnerable than when we are awake.

Lord


I can’t believe that you are telling people this… that is what all the lunatics (sorry I don’t have a kinder word) told me to do when I was first saved… and then it turned into anointing the faucets, and then the drains, and the fireplace, and the toilet, and so on and so and so on…. They all lead outside right?! Isn’t that where the demons are? All of that thinking is absolutely crazy, it is just a downward spiral of fear, and it will never STOP!!!... unless you start having a relationship with God, instead of religion. So like hell if I am going to do all of that garbage, and don’t you try to scare me into doing it… telling me that the devil will get me. And don’t you do it to others. Try telling that stuff to a mentally handicapped person, or to an insane man… God makes it easy for us… And it is the same way to Heaven and Peace for all of us… Faith in Jesus Christ! That is all it takes… And He protects those He Loves… Stop twisting the Bible around to scare people out of there minds. You are wrong, and if you keep pushing it.. God will call you on it.
-Steven Daniel Henderson

P.S. try reading Psalms 23... maybe the Living God of the Heavens and the earth will give you insight to that by His Spirt, and by the Blood of His Son Jesus Christ, who came in the flesh and died on the cross for the worlds sins.... clear enough.. do you know that I am not the anti-christ now? But I do agree with you on one thing.. you are definitely dispatching darkness. And I don't want to be mean.. but this stuff, this religion that you are forcing upon people by means of fear, it kills people, it makes them jump off of bridges, and slit their wrists, it is serious... we're not talking over which yogurt tastes better... This is dealing with people's lives...


Posted by: eagle4him

Frederick, that is a good question. The answer is yes and no.

Christy, Job was not before Christ. In the beginning was the word, and the word was made flesh! Jesus is the Alpha and the Omega--the beginning and the end.

Demons, devils, spirits, thrones, principalities, etc. have a commander-in-chief: satan

We also have a commander-in-chief and His name is Jesus.

The demons and devils do not operate on our rules. We have been given dominion over them, but that does not mean they will not attack. We cannot plead the blood of Jesus one time and expect to be protected forever. This is a daily task! Why do you think Jesus instructed us to pray without ceasing?

I have had attacks in the middle of night, and that after confessing my sins and repenting. I was unable to sin in the middle of my sleep. I have been woke up with choking, sometimes feeling like there were hands around my neck. One time I had to declare in my mind that I wanted to live and not die!

Anyone who has never been under some sort of attack is probably not posing a threat to the enemy!

Steven Henderson, please talk about the issues at hand without throwing stones or calling names. This merely excites the demons!!!!!!!!!!!

All that a demon or evil spirit needs to enter a person is legal access. It could be fear, doubt, jealousy, anger, doubt, greed, unconfessed sin, unforgiveness. It could even be something like believing a false doctrine. It could be a trinket or statue--a painting or "good luck charm" that invites evil spirits into the home.That is why it is so important to put on the full armour, and pay particular attention to the helmet of salvation, which guards the mind.

This is why it is also important to be filled with the Holy Spirit daily--again, not just a one time deal! I ahve heard many people say "I was filled with the Spirit in 1998". How sad, seven years ago. We need to run with a full tank every day!

I have been wakened by the Holy Spirit in the middle of the night and
then started to choke--which is better than waking up choking.

If you want to find out more about how demons enter or possess read the book, Pigs in the Parlor, by Frank and Ida Mae Hammond.

God bless!


Posted by: Frederik

I totally agree with Stephen!

Come on! Think about it! Plead the blood over every entrance in the house. This is totally crazy! I have never ever heard something like this! What if I forget to "seal" one window? Will Satan pop up in my room at night?
Oh boy... this is totally crazy. Who are we in Christ? Do we have no protection at all? When I read this I get the impression that UNLESS we do everything correctly God will directly allow Satan to attack us with legions of demons, this is crazy.
I'm not interested in books about demons from people which add stuff to the bible. Where is this stuff in the bible????
Today, there is so much crazy stuff going on and people make up their own demonology. There are people which have nothing else except demons, this is all they care about.


Posted by: Frederik

Quote:
Originally Posted by StevenHenderson
I can’t believe that you are telling people this… that is what all the lunatics (sorry I don’t have a kinder word) told me to do when I was first saved… and then it turned into anointing the faucets, and then the drains, and the fireplace, and the toilet, and so on and so and so on…. They all lead outside right?!




Hey, I think you forgot the kitchen window.


Posted by: StevenHenderson

The good part about this, is that “sane” people won’t have anything to do with it, they know that it is ridiculous. But the sad part is when people like me get involved… I was a drain cleaner for years, right when I was first saved, that was the job that I got. It started out with “pleading the blood” and anointing the windows, but then it just got deeper as I mentioned before… until they were telling me that the demons lived in the drains and that “they like to hang out there.” I didn’t know any better, I was just doing what I was told… I had to anoint the toilet and then even pour anointing oil in the tank… it’s crazy.. but think about the affects to a scared ‘poopless’ young man who cleans drains for a living, pulling a toilet at a mormon’s house to clean a main line…It’s insane… so I will not yield unless Jerry tells me to, because it is his website, and I love and respect him as a father and I will submit to his authoriy. But as far as exciting the demons, all I have to say to them is let’s get this party started. Throw down, let me see what you got… I will say what I have to say, and let the people reading decide for themselves what they want to do… there are two ways to go, relationship, or religion… man’s way, or God’s way, Ishmael or Isaac… born of the slave or of the free… read Galatians… keeping the Law, or trusting solely on the Mercy and Grace of the Living God, and the Faith that He has Given you in His Son Jesus, the Christ.
-Steven

Oh ya… it was a very painful day when I had to explain to the property management at our apartment complex the reasons why there was anointing oil in the toilet, on the walls and on the deck… paint doesn’t exactly stick to that stuff… If you rely on a system, the devil will use it against you, knowing your next move by the system you follow… God’s Spirit will confound the devil every time… because not only do you rarely know God’s next move, the devil doesn’t either.


Posted by: Frederik

Quote:
Originally Posted by StevenHenderson
The good part about this, is that “sane” people won’t have anything to do with it, they know that it is ridiculous. But the sad part is when people like me get involved… I was a drain cleaner for years, right when I was first saved, that was the job that I got. It started out with “pleading the blood” and anointing the windows, but then it just got deeper as I mentioned before… until they were telling me that the demons lived in the drains and that “they like to hang out there.” I didn’t know any better, I was just doing what I was told… I had to anoint the toilet and then even pour anointing oil in the tank… it’s crazy.. but think about the affects to a scared ‘poopless’ young man who cleans drains for a living, pulling a toilet at a mormon’s house to clean a main line…It’s insane… so I will not yield unless Jerry tells me to, because it is his website, and I love and respect him as a father and I will submit to his authoriy. But as far as exciting the demons, all I have to say to them is let’s get this party started. Throw down, let me see what you got… I will say what I have to say, and let the people reading decide for themselves what they want to do… there are two ways to go, relationship, or religion… man’s way, or God’s way, Ishmael or Isaac… born of the slave or of the free… read Galatians… keeping the Law, or trusting solely on the Mercy and Grace of the Living God, and the Faith that He has Given you in His Son Jesus, the Christ.
-Steven

Oh ya… it was a very painful day when I had to explain to the property management at our apartment complex the reasons why there was anointing oil in the toilet, on the walls and on the deck… paint doesn’t exactly stick to that stuff… If you rely on a system, the devil will use it against you, knowing your next move by the system you follow… God’s Spirit will confound the devil every time… because not only do you rarely know God’s next move, the devil doesn’t either.




Oh boy, I don't know shall I laugh or shall I cry?
This is great material for a movie!


Posted by: eagle4him

Willful sin opens the door to be filled with evil spirits. These spirits enter during a time of weakness. They have no system of fairness.The weakest time for most of us is during our childhood. Fears from childhood often allow demonic possession.

I have heard it said that demons can even enter the unborn fetus. Especially if there was fighting, arguing, drugs, alcohol, etc. Also if the child was unwanted, and there was a lot of yelling, or even discussions about the child not being wanted--this in itself opens the door for a demonic inhabitation.

John the Baptist was filled with the Holy Spirit from birth. It is not too hard to understand that the angel of light (satan) can mimick the works of the Lord.

I am not telling you to cast out demons in your drain pipes. Demons inhabit people, and in a few circumstances animals. There is a difference between inhabitation, and association.

Here are a few symptoms that may indicate the need for deliverance from demons:
1. Emotional Problems
2. Mental Problems
3. Speech Problems
4. Sex Problems
5. Addictions
6. Physical Infirmities
7. Religious Error--False Religions, Occult, Witchcraft (White Magic), etc.
also false doctrines

That does not mean that every sickness or problem is demonic. The Holy Spirit will direct you if you are sincere.

I caution you, Mr. Henderson when you ivite the demons to "get it on" with you. I pray for your protection. I pray that you not be deceived by this invitation. I am, though, concerned about the tone of anger in your posts.
This, alone may be an invitation. However, I hold no animosity towards you.

Father, in the name of Jesus I pray for discernment where these posts are concerned. I pray that no weapons formed against this prayer board, or any member of it may prosper. i bind the strong man assigned to these posts, and I cancel any asignments against anyone here now in the name of Jesus. I plead the blood of Jesus over us now from the top of our heads to the soles of our feet. I command satan and his cohorts to flee now in the name of Jesus or to bow down and worship the Lamb of God.


Posted by: Frederik

* eagle

What you posted sounds rather reasonable.
But what about the toilets and the annointing oil? This stuff is ridiculous.
I mean what's next? Take a bath in annointing oil or even better! Sleep in annointing oil, this way no demon can touch you.
Why should demons not be able to also move through walls? Why shoudl oil on the windows protect you? Think about it! Why should a demon be able to go through a glas window but not through a wall?


Posted by: eagle4him

Frederick, I am not sure about annointing the plumbing. Actually this seems kinda silly to me. I have annointed the threshhold of my house and windows before, when I dedicated the house to the Lord. I used the prayer David recorded in 2 Samuel 7:28:

"Oh sovereign Lord, you are God! Your words are trustworthy and you have promised these good things to your servant. Now be pleased to bless the house of your servant, that it may continue forever in your sight, for you O sovereign Lord have spoken, and with your blessing the house of your servant will be blessed forever."

During the Old Testament, the Israaelites were commanded to annoint their doorposts with the blood of the lamb and the angel of death would pass over their homes. In the New Testament we, too are to annoint our doorposts to the heart with the blood of the Lamb of God, and the angel of death will pass over our "house" as well, (our house is the temple of the living God).


Posted by: Frederik

Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle4him
In the New Testament we, too are to annoint our doorposts to the heart with the blood of the Lamb of God, and the angel of death will pass over our "house" as well, (our house is the temple of the living God).


where does the bible say that


Posted by: eagle4him

Remember your post recently, Frederick on "Pleading the Blood"?

New Testament covenant is sealed--ratified with the blood of Jesus Christ. The book of Hebrews tells us that Moses..."took the blood...and sprinkled both the book, and all the people..." Heb 9:19

"How much more shall the blood of Christ...purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?" Heb 9:14 (More than the blood of goats and calves, previous verses)

"Now to appear in the presence of God for us" Heb9:24 The blood of Jesus taken by Him into heaven is reserved for all those who come to Him by faith. "Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiaion (reconciliation) through faith in his blood." Romans 3:25 So it is by faith that the blood of Jesus is sprinkled upon us when we receive him.

The blood of Jesus is sprinkled on our soul through Holy ghost preaching. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God.

If you are willing to walk in the light and allow the Holy Ghost to expose all the darkness in you (convict) then you know that you have been sprinkled with the blood of Jesus. "But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanses us from all sin." 1John 1:7

The blood of Jesus is power over all evil and attacks from the enemy. "Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience." Hebrews 10:22

Jesus blood redeems us from all sin and over all the power of darkness. "In whom we ave redemption through his blood" Eph 1:7

Jesus blood is what bought us--the entire church! "...feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood" Acts 20:28

The blood of Jesus breaks down walls "aBut now in Christ Jesus you who sometimes were far off are made high by the blood of Christ. For he is our peace, who has made both one, and broken down the middle wall of partition between us." Eph 2: 13-14

The blood of Jesus sanctifies us (makes us holy) ..."The blood of Jesus Christ his Son, cleanses us from all sin." 1John 1:7

The blood of Jesus causes Satan and his cohorts to flee "And they overcame him (the devil--satan) by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony." Revelation 12:11

The blood of Jesus gives us legal access to the holy of holies, the throne room of heaven "Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus." Heb 10:19


Posted by: Cindy Renee

Again, wow!!!! And the greatest of these is love. Wow.


Posted by: Sulten

Amen Bruce!!!!!! May I add, I don't think the Lord wants us to be fear focused on Demons all the time. I believe we should be Christ focused. But he has asked us to be "wise as serpents and harmless as doves. Though we have accepted Jesus into our hearts, that does not prevent attacks by the adversary. As Bruce said and Jerry, we have to put on the armour of God every day, and that means praying for a hedge of protection each and every day, and as Bruce said, we have to live the commandments every day to the best of our ability to prevent Satan from having any power over us. But Satan does attack to prevent the work of the Lord going forth. Just ask Jerry the kind of opposition he has all the time in his ministry. But nevertheless we know that Satan can't win. The power of the Lord is greater when you turn to him and put him at the helm. So we are annoyed and heckled by the Aversary, but we learn how to combat him. In that there is safety and peace. If we become careless, that is like leaving an open door.


Posted by: Sulten

Sorry when I posted I hadn't read the posts on the second page. I think worrying about anointing the plumbing and doors and windows is also a little rediculous. I think we can get into trying to live some letter of the law instead of the spirit of the law. But I still agree with Bruce that we can and do invite the adverary in through our sins. I've experienced living my life with prayer and without, and I know that prayer gave me a greater power to resist temptation then without.


Posted by: bill & alexis

Frederik,
I personally do not believe demons can enter a Christian. I do believe a Christian can be demon oppressed, but not possessed. I do know demons can only do what the Lord allows them in regard to his children, and even then, by the mercy of God, still keeps a short "leash" on them.

I would like to know what kind of dream or vision would bring this query? Thanks!


Posted by: bill & alexis

Hey Guys, lets operate in Love and not throw stones at one another. I have personally watched and prayed as friends have blessed a house. The oil is only symbolic. They did annoint the doors, windows, etc. As far as annointing a toilet - anybody can take something toooo far, but on the other hand maybe they felt compelled to do it?!? I do know a person is to anoint every entrance...

The house did seem to be more peaceful afterwards...

Again, I can't judge someone for going overboard with this. If they felt they would be all that much more safe - no matter how ridiculous it sounds to me - who am I to say anything. Didn't I spend 10 years in the U.S. Marines - (Semper Fi) - to let whosoever wants the freedom to anoint toilets - to anoint them?

Instead of being critical of one another, maybe we should pray for wisdom and discernment for the individuals who tend to get carried away - privately!

Let each of us work out his own Salvation with fear and trembling!
(I know this isn't about Salvation, but I am trying to encourage each person to their own personal walk - regardless of others)

Many Blessings to everyone and thanks for all the posts and activity! Send in more dreams!!!
-Bill


Posted by: eagle4him

Bill, Alexic, Frederick,
I disagree with the belief that demons cannot enter the person and this is why.

When Jesus commissioned the 12 He told them to go first to the lost sheep of Israel (believers--church) and heal the sick, cleanse the leprosy and cast out the demons!

The majority of the miracles Jesus performed were casting out the demons of infirmity.

When Jesus offered the bread to Judas at the last supper the bible says that when Judas accepted the bread (made a conscious decision to betray) that Satan entered him.

When Jesus was talking to Peter about the events that would soon follow, ie, His death and resurrection Peter tried to talk Him out of this. Jesus told Peter, Get thee back, Satan!

I believe that demons can and do enter spirit filled christians. They inhabit the minds (mental disorders), the wills (bad behavior) and the emotions (anger, jealousy, rage,etc). They also inhabit the bodies (cancer and other diseases).

I do not believer that the demons enter the spirits of born-again christians, as they are inhabited by the Holy Spirit. I do believe that demons can and do enter the spirits of non-believers, though.

these are just my own thoughts, based on scriptures, experiences and the bible. I have particiapted in some deliverances and have seen these works first-hand.

God bless!


Posted by: bill & alexis

eagle4him,
Thanks for your input! And please do not feel one inkling of a debate...I am no expert on demon possessions/oppressions!

I would mostly agree with you. I would like to point out one thing - mostly food for thought type of an scenario. Wouldn't Jesus' disciples been commissioned and operating under his anointing? Since the disciples and others were not "Spirit-Filled" until the day of Pentecost?

I just figured I would bring it up, since it is a very interesting and seemingly controversial subject. Any thoughts from anyone?

And a reminder to everyone to operate in love in this forum - we can agree to disagree!
-Bill

BTW Maybe this would be good subject matter for Jerry to teach!!!


Posted by: Frederik

Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle4him

I believe that demons can and do enter spirit filled christians. They inhabit the minds (mental disorders), the wills (bad behavior) and the emotions (anger, jealousy, rage,etc). They also inhabit the bodies (cancer and other diseases).

I do not believer that the demons enter the spirits of born-again christians, as they are inhabited by the Holy Spirit. I do believe that demons can and do enter the spirits of non-believers, though.


I believe this, too.


Posted by: JG

Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle4him
I disagree with the belief that demons cannot enter the person and this is why.
The majority of the miracles Jesus performed were casting out the demons of infirmity.

Actually that is not quite accurate.
There was a spirit of infirmity on the woman 18 years
There was a deaf and dumb demon (Luo bondage loosed or destroyed)
There was a demon possessed boy (epilepsy)
There was legion 10,000 demons
There was a demon of fever (Jesus rebuked the fever on the person)
The nobel man's son's fever left (aphiemi was sent forth from the boy)
Jesus rebuked the Wind which was the spirit causing the storm

Rememer what the Apostles said the demons are subject to us in your name

In almost all of the deliverance's Jesus did it was to break the bondage
satan had on the people. Some were possessed some were afflicted or placed in bondage sometimes for years.

You will not find one recorded event in the New Testament where a
Christian was demon possessed.

2CO 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what
fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what
communion hath light with darkness?
2CO 6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that
believeth with an infidel?
2CO 6:16 And what agreement (what company does the) hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are
the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in
them, and walk in [them]; and I will be their God, and they shall
be my people.
2CO 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the
Lord, and touch not the unclean [thing]; and I will receive you,
2CO 6:18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and
daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

So you see the Holy Spirit would not stay if we let the Devil in.
Now that goes to eternal security and that is another lesson.
You can read the about it in Jerry's Lessons were over 20 people lost their place in grace and lost their salvation

So the question is if you are Demon Possessed can you be God possessed.
God forbid.
God would leave, there are only about 100 verses that say that.

Now as to your experience I need the word of it.
I have preached to over 22,000,000 people now
And I have been in so many deliverance's I could write a book
But what I have learned is the demons know the word better than most Christians
So you better be right or you will hurt the Lord, Yourself and the person you are praying for.

You said: When Jesus offered the bread to Judas at the last supper the bible says that when Judas accepted the bread (made a conscious decision to betray) that Satan entered him.
(Jesus had not died and rose. Jesus had not breathed the Spirit of God into them Yet)

You said: When Jesus was talking to Peter about the events that would soon follow, ie, His death and resurrection Peter tried to talk Him out of this. Jesus told Peter, Get thee back, Satan!
(Peter was speaking the words of Satan. He was speaking the words of the flesh. Jesus knew that. He knew what was motivating Peter at that moment. Just moments before when Peter called him the Son of God Jesus said these words did not come from you but the Father.)

You said: I believe that demons can and do enter spirit filled christians. They inhabit the minds (mental disorders), the wills (bad behavior) and the emotions (anger, jealousy, rage,etc). They also inhabit the bodies (cancer and other diseases).
That is not possession that is opression. The Daughter of Abraham had a spirit of infirmity for 18 years. Jesus destroyed the bondage of infirmity and she was set free. That is why Jesus said "whatsoever you shall loose (destroy Luo) on earth shall be destroyed in heaven.

You said: I do not believer that the demons enter the spirits of born-again christians, as they are inhabited by the Holy Spirit.
This seem to contradict every thing you said above.

Pastor Jerry


Posted by: Frederik

But Derek Prince said that he has dealt with many christians which had demons but they were not possessed!
You cannot have a demon in your spirit, cause there is the holy spirit.
But what about the body? What about the mind?
The word which is used in the bible to descibe having a demon does not mean being demonized. I think we have to distinguish between a christian having a demon and a non-christian being possessed.
Let me quote from a book written by Jac.k Jayford.
Do you think that people like Derek Prince made this all up? Prince named many examples from his own ministry! Where christians suffered from demons which forced them to do things.

Code:
 Fundamental to this presentation is the proposition that, whatever the dimension of bondage,
the redeemed SPIRIT of a believer not only IS not but CANNOT be indwelt by an evil spirit.
As Diagram I (see next page) suggests, the nature of spiritual bondage (unless only manifest
in a physical affliction), seems essentially to be psychological (that is, "soul" level -- psuche),
and not with the spirit (pneuma) of a redeemed human being. This means that the mind or the
emotions (or both) are frequently assailed. When that successfully occurs, the will is crippled
with regard to whatever feature of the person's thoughts, attitudes, or conduct over which the
evil spirit has penetrated and gained temporary control. Thereby, on occasion the individual
will manifest behavior or responses that are reflective of their bondage; explosions of temper,
incursions of lust, horrible depression, biting criticism, vicious cruelty, etc.
The description of this "control" should never be termed "possession." The expression
"demon-possessed" is not biblical. Rather, the Greek verb used consistently in the New
Testament is diamonidzo which means "to be demonized." In the Bible it describes people of
widely varied circumstance; from ones who may be generally normal in behavior (except when
the demon manifests, as the man in the Capernaum synagogue), or as horrendously abnormal (as
the extreme case of the Gadarene demoniac). These words, with the four Diagrams' explanations,
offer an attempt at answering the question: "Where is the demon?" The answer: "It is in" that is,
"in partial control of the personality." But having answered that, we also face the very practical
question of "How?" How is this bondage -- this demon-at-work -- to be discussed with a person
whom I sense may be bound?"



Posted by: Frederik

Quote:
Originally Posted by JG

You said: I believe that demons can and do enter spirit filled christians. They inhabit the minds (mental disorders), the wills (bad behavior) and the emotions (anger, jealousy, rage,etc). They also inhabit the bodies (cancer and other diseases).
That is not possession that is opression. The Daughter of Abraham had a spirit of infirmity for 18 years. Jesus destroyed the bondage of infirmity and she was set free. That is why Jesus said "whatsoever you shall loose (destroy Luo) on earth shall be destroyed in heaven.


So do you also believe that a christian can have a demon? Inside and not just outside? Then we agree and it's only about how you call it. I don't think it matter wether you call it demonization or oppression. This is rather meaningless. The fact is that people suffer from this stuff while most christians out there say that a christian cannot even have a demon. How shall christians be set free when the majority says that this cannot even be?


Posted by: eagle4him

What exactly does "casting out demons" mean? It seems to me that something has to leave from the inside.

If Jesus had told the Apostles to remove any assocaition with demons that would mean one thing. But he told them to cast the demons out of the people. I believe this has a different meaning.

We are tri-part; body, soul, and spirit. Demons cannot inhabit the spirit of a man, but they can and do inhabit the mind, wills, emotions (soul) and also the body. That is not oppression, but rather oppression. Why then, when people receive an instant healing, and the spirit of infirmity is cast out, then does the body recover. It is because once the demon leaves, the body is restored, right?

Oppression by definition is a feeling of being heavily weighed down in mind or body. Possession by definition is holding or occupying with or without rightful ownership; the state of being dominated by evil spirits.

Demons do occupy without rightful ownership, when the person turns from God and gives the demons 'legal acdess" through sin, or any disobedience. Thus the posession. This is a trespass, as the person rightfully belongs to the Lord, but because of disobedience or sin, the person has given the demon or devil access!

Through deliverance, and confession of sin, the rightful ownership is re-established and the trespasser is evicted!


Posted by: StevenHenderson

I don't really want to reply to this at all. I am just some dumb kid right? But I am sorry eagle that you live that way. My mistakes, my disobedience, and my sin has only brought me closer to God. And that is because I do one thing, and that is to trust Him with all of my heart, to choose Life, to cling to the Faith He has given me in His Son. I trust Him with my life. And I am free. And if God Himself possesses me, then the devil cannot. So I don’t care about your response, or your arguments to back up your claim. I never have. I just want the people reading this to decide on there own, and to know that there is a Way that is not dominated by fear. So you may feel like I am attacking you, like others felt about my posts, and this post may be erased too. But what I say is nothing compared to the huge crushing boulders that have smashed down on my head by fellow ‘christians’. The devil doesn’t have to do much in some cases, because we have the ability to kill each other just fine. And that ability has been exercised on me to its fullest extent. I am unsubscribing from this thread. Like I said I could care less about your arguments, you don’t need to justify yourself to me. I just hope that you are able to read this, for it too may be erased, I just want people not to live in your doctrine of fear, because the Lord protects those He loves. The Lord sustains me, and keeps me, and I am that lost sheep that He calls His own, and He is my dear Father. And if you read my testimony at:
http://www.annointed.net/ForumTopic_36210__15.htm

…You will see how my God treats me, and I will die for Someone like that. But I will curse the thing that spreads the kind of doctrine around that you are conveying. And if God tells me not to be afraid, then I am not to be afraid. What is worse than tearing up a Bible and eating it… telling God, “You want the Word in me don’t You!? Let me eat it!” If anything, shouldn’t that have cursed me for life, and allowed the devil ‘legal access??’ To answer, NO! Because nothing can ever separate me from the Love of my dear Father, the Creator of Heavens and Earth. And the Faith that He has given me takes me through the Fire, and I will not be burned… but all of your doctrine, the garbage, and the lies that my life has been built on, mostly by Christians, will burn… Am I just lucky because God was merciful with me?? I will rely on God’s Mercy and Grace before I will ever rely on my own efforts to be righteous and pure in His eyes. Because He is not condemning me or accusing me, and He does not give me a spirit of fear… He is the One Who makes me righteous in His sight by Giving me the Gift of His Son Jesus the Christ, solely because I choose to trust in Him, God the Father, and Jesus chose me to be His own… and that is the only choice that I have to try to make, and that is the only thing He has asked me to do if I want His Salvation. He set Life and Death before me, and I chose Life, because I had no other choice, and because I am His dear son Whom Jesus died for, and He didn’t do that in vain. He gave me the Courage, Love, and motivation to let Him pick me up and carry me places I did not want to go, and could not go on my own. And nothing can ever take me out of his grasp. So all I can ask you is, do you have that Assurance? Do you have that kind of relationship with Him? Because if you don’t, you will never be Free.

Luke 7:40-50


Posted by: bill & alexis

Steven,
I prayed about your previous post, and you may notice I did a slight bit of editing to one sentence - it was speaking negative things into another persons life... I will only delete a post as a last resort, and only if the Lord, or Pastor Jerry, tells me to.

Like I have said before, "We can agree - to disagree!" Let's walk in love and not take offense from our brothers and sisters in Christ who usually post something controversial out of love - in an effort to inform/protect others through the wisdom and insight they have gained.

Both of your posts have some good points. I left your post up because your feelings are valid, and it reminds us all we need to walk and talk thinking of others before ourselves. I particularly like your points on focusing on relationship with our Lord. Our focus should always be on HIM.

As for worring about sin, and if it gives the enemy legal grounds for him to come in, (which is true) do as Pastor Jerry exhorts us to us to do everyday - PRAY!!! I like Jesse Duplantis' three point method for dealing with sin: "Admit It! Quit It! And Forget It!" He is one funny Cajun!

Steven thanks for your post, continue to express your thoughts, ideas, and feelings. In closing you have one powerful testimony - Praise the Lord Our God!!!
-Bill

Father, may we continue to walk in Your Love. Rebuke the enemy and his devices to create division and offenses. Let our focus be YOU Lord God, not the enemy, or the transgressions from our past. May everything we do and say bring glory to YOU! - in Jesus name -Amen!


Posted by: cgirl

I'm reminded of a testamony I heard once. This person had bad dreams too. She then heard the Lord reply. Why do you resist listen to the enemy in your sleep? Why do you only resist him while you're awake? Don't be intimidated when you have bad dreams from the enemy but take authority over it.
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I had this dream over the weekend and still waiting for the interpretation:

I was half awake/asleep Saturday. I felt exhausted throughout this dream. I often do when I’m half awake in a dream. I was lying down and I looked to the right side of me and there arose a bookshelf it was quite large. It had many medium sized cubicles in it, it covered most of the wall. The outside of it was black, the inside of it was red and made of fuzzy shag material. It totally was empty. I looked around my apartment nothing was going on. I looked again at the shelf but it was gone. This time there was a lamp in the wall like the ones in the track lighting but there was only one. The lamp (it looked like the Pixar icon-the company that makes children's movies) that was pointed directly at me with the light turned off. Next thing I felt something was pulling me over to the side by my hips half way out of my bed. The whole time I was saying Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, I was scared. I felt something lying down beside me, an arm came across me, it looked like my hand at first and I was wearing my black sweater. I tried pushing away the thing next to me, whatever it was. I couldn’t move my neck to see who or what it was. I took my right hand and moved my head to look in that direction my head turned only a little, no longer looking to the right of me but now looking straight. I felt total exhaustion through all of this. When I saw the arm it looked like a very think vine over me. I wanted to wake myself up. I knew I was sleeping. My left hand tried to move it away from me but I felt and heard something burning but I was not burned. I was saying in the name of Jesus or I plead the blood of Jesus. I said it the third time very loud but my voice didn't sound like my voice at the end of the sentence it changed and my voice got louder. Then I woke up.


Posted by: Frederik

weird dreams do you have


Posted by: bill & alexis

Lara,
Although on the surface a seemingly strange dream, which if not understood from a symbolic/Biblical context would be disturbing - the elements in it point to the one whom you were calling to. Cast off the feeling of turmoil you emotionally feel from this dream - it's just the Lord's way of getting his people to remember the message.
Job 7:14 - Then thou scarest me with dreams, and terrifiest me through visions
In your dream the Lord is acknowledging the empty feeling you been feeling as of late. The empty bookshelf is a metaphor for you right now(It is covered in black, just like you are in the dream), you have Jesus (covered by the blood), but feel empty. Next, is the funny little light (from Pixar) that was pointing toward you, which was turned off. Jesus is the light of the world, and he is going to relight the "fire/brilliance" in your life - so you will personally shine His glory.
John 8:12 - Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
Matthew 5:14 - Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
The feeling of having someone beside you is the Holy Spirit - for you could not see him. The arm/vine was Jesus embracing you, and encouraging you to tap into HIM as your source.
John 15:1 - I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
John 15:4 - Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
John 15:5 - I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
Next, you mention trying to move the arm/vine with your left hand. Your right always points to God, your left typically points to the flesh, or your abilites in the natural. The Lord is wanting you to yeild to him and make him your source. He is the vine, we are branches; connecting to the one true vine gives us a very fruitful life and ministry!
I almost forgot one element of your dream. The fire you felt, and heard, was the anointing of the Lord being imparted into your life! Expect some incredible things in the spirit, and a renewed vigor in your walk with Jesus.
Matthew 3:11 - I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
Acts 2:3 - And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them
Hebrews 1:7 - And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. (Pastor Jerry has a great message about this verse.)
Hebrews 12:29 - For our God is a consuming fire
I hope this helps and brings you peace! May your cup be ever overflowing with Jesus!
-Bill


Posted by: StevenHenderson

Hi cgirl,
I don’t know if you respect me, or want to hear from me… but I read your dream, and I sought the Lord, and I want to offer this interpretation too. I sought the Lord by singing Shout to the Lord until he gave me a verse. This is only what I believe He told me. I don’t intend to force anything on you, I just wanted to let you know.

Your eye is a lamp for your body...
Make sure that the light you think you have is not really darkness. If you are filled with light, with no dark corners, then your whole life will be radiant, as though a floodlight is shining on you. Luke 11:34... and 36

Now don’t let that discourage you, please read the rest:

Half asleep and Half awake represents trying to rest but you can’t.

Saturday represents the last day of the week, the Sabbath, which is the Promise of the rest that God told you He is giving you.

You are exhausted from fighting for this promise on your own power, trying to make it come about on your own terms… that is nothing to be ashamed of, we all do it, even Abraham did it when he tried to bring Gods promise about by having Ishmael with a slave woman.

Looking toward the right represents a solid attempt to look to God for Help

The Bookshelf represents the place holder for all of Satan’s devices to try to make you think that His power is God… all of the ways that he has tried to make you think that he is God. But they have been exhausted because God will not let him restock the shelves anymore.

The Black on the outside of the bookshelf represents the ability that God has given you... eyes to see. He has given you the ability to see that the bookshelf is not coming from God, and that it is not God doing those things to you. The red shag represents again your ability to see that it was not God’s Fire sending all those things after you.

I think looking around the apartment is just what someone does when something this weird happens, lol : )

However, when you looked back, it was gone, God removed it in an instant, and what remained was the lamp… The lamp is the light of the eye, and the light was darkness, and God is no longer going to let that darkness try to trick you to believe it is light.

The pulling off of the bed is the enemies way of knowing that he has lost a major stronghold, and he is trying to take your rest by force… but he can’t, because when God gives you a promise, or made a way straight, no one can make it crooked.

The thing lying beside you is the seed sown by the devil into your life, in which has power by sin, not that you are sinning… but that sin takes advantage of what is meant to be good, like the law, and will use it against you… when that ‘weed’ and sin is full grown, it only brings death… and that is usually when people decide to get right with the Lord because they see that Life and death have been set before them… and really the only logical choice is Life… so that is what you chose, recently or a long time ago… the vine represents the ‘weeds’ that have grown from the bad seed that the enemy planted... this has been growing with the wheat… To the mind it may seem like ‘you’ but the child of God knows better. And the black sweater represents that this thing is not of the Lord… however it doesn’t mean you can’t wear your sweater, lol!
You can’t push this thing away, or out because it is a part of who you are… part of the root system… to tear it up would also tear up the wheat, which was planted by the Word, Jesus Himself. Which is why when it feels like when it is being moved, or pushed out, you may feel like you are losing your soul- and it may feel like your breath/life is being taken away.

The right hand, I believe, represents God shining His light on the problem, and exposing it for what it really is.

Again, when the Lords light is on it you see it as a vine, which I do not believe is God… I believe it is the weed that is trying to choke the life out of you, and trying to make you submit by ways of fear, lies, and manipulation of God’s character. The bigger the vine the more influence it has on your choices, and the bigger the root system, the more power and influence it can receive from the devil and the power of sin taking advantage of the law. It is not the devil inside of you, but the ‘devils child’ that listens to his father to destroy the work of God… But you have now set your eyes on God, not by your strength, but by Him adjusting you toward Him…

The left had I believe is you trying to remove the problem by your own power. Which again, we all do.

The Fire is the representation of the righteousness of the Kingdom of Heaven and the Glory of the Lord Almighty, making the Kingdom of Heaven available to you at this very moment, by the Blood of the Lamb, God making you righteous in His eyes, knowing that you understand that He saved you, and you did not save yourself by any means of your own. And because you are righteous by the Blood of the Lamb, you are FIREPROOF. So everything that is not of God will burn, and will blow away like chaff in the wind, yet you will remain unharmed, because you are marked and protected by God's Own Spirit, only because He chose you to be His child, and He will never throw you away, or let you go.

Saying Jesus twice is representation of your mind doing what it is used to, and that is turning to the flesh, and that weed (the old man/woman) for it’s power… but it (the weed) will never have any power by using that name because it is not marked and Holy like you are... it will try to crush you and make you think that there is no power in that Name. However, saying it on the third time is representation of God helping 'you' say it… the true child of God, that is one with the Holy Spirit, so it is you and God saying it at the same time, yet as one… so it is not alien.. but you and Him as one.

And so with that, I would like to say, the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand.

Again, that is just what I think the Lord told me, If the He can give you a dream, he can tell you what is right and wrong too.
With love,
-Steven


Posted by: eagle4him

"You will not find one recorded event in the New Testament where a
Christian was demon possessed."

Pastor Jerry



"All the believers were one in heart and mind...Now a man named Ananias, together with his wife Sapphira, also sold a piece of property. With his wife's full knowledge he kept back part of the money for himself. but brought the rest and put it at the apostles' feet. Then Peter said. Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land."
--Acts 4:32, 5:1-3


Posted by: eagle4him

Ever Had A Nightmare???????????


Posted by: Frederik

Oh yeah!
I have had nightmares. I dreamed of aliens, I dreamed of Terminators.
I have dreamed of scary things! But I have never dreamed of alien terminators.
Woah, alien terminators, this has got to be scary.


Posted by: Christian Commando

People, lets take a look at what God declares: 1- "Greater is He who is in you, than he who is in the world". 2- "Demons believe and tremble" 3- Do not quench or grieve the Holy Spirit 4- "And you will recieve power to cast out demons" 5- The "body" of a believer is now the "Temple" of God. 6- God as Christ declared- if a house is cleansed but left void, a returning demon can bring back more, making the "state" of that person 7 times worse than before. 7- Christ spoke in the "Sermon on the Mount" how sin starts as a wrong thought if held unto. 8- God's Word speaks of how Judas was totally evil. 9- Yet Judas went out and did miracles with the other disciples.

No demons cannot possess True Christians but can strong influence them . Why? They are afraid of God- Trinity- (Even while sleeping. Your brain may be at rest but not your spirit's intellect). The Holy Spirit, not you, drives demons out or away, for man has no "power" of his own, only abilities.

theres alot more I could say, but don't have the space. If anyone's interested, jusr email me and we will talk. Just know that God has power over them and allows us to be able to cast demons out or away by the Holy Spirit in Jesus' Name.

Thank you and God Bless!


Posted by: cgirl

I appreciate and thank you for taking the time to interpret this for me. Bill, you were right on about the shelves. Steve you were right on about the vine and I enjoyed the songs on your website.

Both of you interpreted the dream and described more in my dream than what I had originally posted. Glory be to God. I always have dreams, but there are a few that stick out from time to time that make me wonder.

I believe we have a Daniel and a Joseph here amongst us, thank you Jesus.

While we're on the subject, I remember one dream before that one. Let me know if it is just a pizza dream or if is more, either way glory to God, amen?
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I was in my apartment or my aunt's house, I don't know which but I think it was my apartment. There came an earthquake a big earthquake and we were in the hall. We both went somewhere safe like in a doorway, like they tell you to do in an event of an earthquake. When this happened my aunt got scared. Me, I started laughing and saying hallelujah! Thank you Jesus, praise the Lord! I was so joyful. My aunt stopped panicking and looked at me with a confused look. I kept praising the Lord and laughing and she kept starting at me like she was still confused.
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And, Freddie. You are encouraging to me ya know, I remember when you first started posting here. You are much stronger than you give yourself credit for. If you spend more time in prayer you can catch up to the mightiest prayer warrior here in one week flat, believe me I can see it. One time I applied myself for one week. I prayed at least one to six hours a day for a week. It was hard to quiet my thoughts, questions and things to do list, the flesh doesn't want to pray. I had to tell my flesh to 'sit down and shut up!' and let the Spirit take control for once. After that week my walk intensified. Now it is your turn Fred. Now it's your turn. It is your time now. I know you can do it. Just one tiny, little, short week.

Let's try it. Let's go for the gusto dude. I can't wait to see what happens. I will also pray with you too. God is a God of now. Even today. Not some far beyond time past all the galaxies somewhere in eternity, but this very moment. Hallelujah.

So, what do ya say eh? Shall we take up this challenge? I'll check in with you next week, is Wednesday good for you? You can do ALL things through Christ who strengthens you.


Posted by: bill & alexis

Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle4him
"You will not find one recorded event in the New Testament where a
Christian was demon possessed."

Pastor Jerry



"All the believers were one in heart and mind...Now a man named Ananias, together with his wife Sapphira, also sold a piece of property. With his wife's full knowledge he kept back part of the money for himself. but brought the rest and put it at the apostles' feet. Then Peter said. Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land."
--Acts 4:32, 5:1-3
Simple enough, they obviously were not Christians!

If God's Holiness hit the church like this again - look out!


Your brother in Christ!
-Bill


Posted by: monis1013

Quote:
Originally Posted by bill & alexis
Steven,
I prayed about your previous post, and you may notice I did a slight bit of editing to one sentence - it was speaking negative things into another persons life... I will only delete a post as a last resort, and only if the Lord, or Pastor Jerry, tells me to.

Like I have said before, "We can agree - to disagree!" Let's walk in love and not take offense from our brothers and sisters in Christ who usually post something controversial out of love - in an effort to inform/protect others through the wisdom and insight they have gained.

Both of your posts have some good points. I left your post up because your feelings are valid, and it reminds us all we need to walk and talk thinking of others before ourselves. I particularly like your points on focusing on relationship with our Lord. Our focus should always be on HIM.

As for worring about sin, and if it gives the enemy legal grounds for him to come in, (which is true) do as Pastor Jerry exhorts us to us to do everyday - PRAY!!! I like Jesse Duplantis' three point method for dealing with sin: "Admit It! Quit It! And Forget It!" He is one funny Cajun!

Steven thanks for your post, continue to express your thoughts, ideas, and feelings. In closing you have one powerful testimony - Praise the Lord Our God!!!
-Bill

Father, may we continue to walk in Your Love. Rebuke the enemy and his devices to create division and offenses. Let our focus be YOU Lord God, not the enemy, or the transgressions from our past. May everything we do and say bring glory to YOU! - in Jesus name -Amen!



James 4:1-3 What causes fights and quarrels among you? Don't they come from your desires that battle within you? You want something but don't get it. You kill and covet, but you cannot have what you want. You quarrel and fight. You do not have, because you do not ask God. When you ask, you do not receive, because you ask with the wrong motives, that you may spend what you get on your pleasures.

A house divided cannot stand. I think we as "brothers and sisters in Christ" need to quit attacking each other and listen to one another. Who knows - You might not be right all the time. Maybe someone else is right. Ask yourself this every time you get angry with someone. Leave the judging to God.


Posted by: monis1013

Quote:
Originally Posted by StevenHenderson
I don't really want to reply to this at all. I am just some dumb kid right? But I am sorry eagle that you live that way. My mistakes, my disobedience, and my sin has only brought me closer to God. And that is because I do one thing, and that is to trust Him with all of my heart, to choose Life, to cling to the Faith He has given me in His Son. I trust Him with my life. And I am free. And if God Himself possesses me, then the devil cannot. So I don’t care about your response, or your arguments to back up your claim. I never have. I just want the people reading this to decide on there own, and to know that there is a Way that is not dominated by fear. So you may feel like I am attacking you, like others felt about my posts, and this post may be erased too. But what I say is nothing compared to the huge crushing boulders that have smashed down on my head by fellow ‘christians’. The devil doesn’t have to do much in some cases, because we have the ability to kill each other just fine. And that ability has been exercised on me to its fullest extent. I am unsubscribing from this thread. Like I said I could care less about your arguments, you don’t need to justify yourself to me. I just hope that you are able to read this, for it too may be erased, I just want people not to live in your doctrine of fear, because the Lord protects those He loves. The Lord sustains me, and keeps me, and I am that lost sheep that He calls His own, and He is my dear Father. And if you read my testimony at:
http://www.annointed.net/ForumTopic_36210__15.htm

…You will see how my God treats me, and I will die for Someone like that. But I will curse the thing that spreads the kind of doctrine around that you are conveying. And if God tells me not to be afraid, then I am not to be afraid. What is worse than tearing up a Bible and eating it… telling God, “You want the Word in me don’t You!? Let me eat it!” If anything, shouldn’t that have cursed me for life, and allowed the devil ‘legal access??’ To answer, NO! Because nothing can ever separate me from the Love of my dear Father, the Creator of Heavens and Earth. And the Faith that He has given me takes me through the Fire, and I will not be burned… but all of your doctrine, the garbage, and the lies that my life has been built on, mostly by Christians, will burn… Am I just lucky because God was merciful with me?? I will rely on God’s Mercy and Grace before I will ever rely on my own efforts to be righteous and pure in His eyes. Because He is not condemning me or accusing me, and He does not give me a spirit of fear… He is the One Who makes me righteous in His sight by Giving me the Gift of His Son Jesus the Christ, solely because I choose to trust in Him, God the Father, and Jesus chose me to be His own… and that is the only choice that I have to try to make, and that is the only thing He has asked me to do if I want His Salvation. He set Life and Death before me, and I chose Life, because I had no other choice, and because I am His dear son Whom Jesus died for, and He didn’t do that in vain. He gave me the Courage, Love, and motivation to let Him pick me up and carry me places I did not want to go, and could not go on my own. And nothing can ever take me out of his grasp. So all I can ask you is, do you have that Assurance? Do you have that kind of relationship with Him? Because if you don’t, you will never be Free.

Luke 7:40-50




James 5:9 Don't grumble against each other, brothers, or you will be judged. The Judge is standing at the door!


Posted by: bill & alexis

Quote:
Originally Posted by cgirl
I appreciate and thank you for taking the time to interpret this for me. Bill, you were right on about the shelves. Steve you were right on about the vine and I enjoyed the songs on your website.

Both of you interpreted the dream and described more in my dream than what I had originally posted. Glory be to God. I always have dreams, but there are a few that stick out from time to time that make me wonder.

I believe we have a Daniel and a Joseph here amongst us, thank you Jesus.

While we're on the subject, I remember one dream before that one. Let me know if it is just a pizza dream or if is more, either way glory to God, amen?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I was in my apartment or my aunt's house, I don't know which but I think it was my apartment. There came an earthquake a big earthquake and we were in the hall. We both went somewhere safe like in a doorway, like they tell you to do in an event of an earthquake. When this happened my aunt got scared. Me, I started laughing and saying hallelujah! Thank you Jesus, praise the Lord! I was so joyful. My aunt stopped panicking and looked at me with a confused look. I kept praising the Lord and laughing and she kept starting at me like she was still confused.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
And, Freddie. You are encouraging to me ya know, I remember when you first started posting here. You are much stronger than you give yourself credit for. If you spend more time in prayer you can catch up to the mightiest prayer warrior here in one week flat, believe me I can see it. One time I applied myself for one week. I prayed at least one to six hours a day for a week. It was hard to quiet my thoughts, questions and things to do list, the flesh doesn't want to pray. I had to tell my flesh to 'sit down and shut up!' and let the Spirit take control for once. After that week my walk intensified. Now it is your turn Fred. Now it's your turn. It is your time now. I know you can do it. Just one tiny, little, short week.

Let's try it. Let's go for the gusto dude. I can't wait to see what happens. I will also pray with you too. God is a God of now. Even today. Not some far beyond time past all the galaxies somewhere in eternity, but this very moment. Hallelujah.

So, what do ya say eh? Shall we take up this challenge? I'll check in with you next week, is Wednesday good for you? You can do ALL things through Christ who strengthens you.
Lara,
Thanks for the positive feed-back on the last interpretation! Keep praying for the meaning!

The next dream you have inquired about is a very edifying dream. I believe it was in your house (your house represents your life), and your aunt is in your life. The earthquake is a representation of the storms which come in life. You will be a testimony of faith to your aunt when you go through one of these storms. She will marvel at the trust and faith you place in our Lord Jesus, and you will go through the storm worshipping and praising the Lord - with joy in your heart. Praise God!!!
Mathew 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.

I hope this helps. Keep trusting in the ROCK - our Lord Jesus! Have a very blessed day in the Lord!
-Bill


Posted by: Claudia Ogle

Hi Steven,

First of all I would like to apologize if the reply I posted regarding the above offended you, but the Word of God tells us that though we walk in the flesh, we do not war against the flesh for the weapons of our warfare are not carnal..............

I am really sorry if this has offended you, but I was speaking from a platform of experience and this has been my testimony to many hence it was quick for me to reply.

Blessings,


Claudia


Posted by: JG

Your example is a beautiful example
of how a religious person can lose
their salvation
and die in church thinking they are saved

Always look at the fruit.
What happened to them
Satan filled their hear
the Holy Spirit left
They were in the flesh so much they lied to the Holy Spirit
They died without Jesus
So it is clear they had lost their salvation

Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle4him
"You will not find one recorded event in the New Testament where a
Christian was demon possessed."

Pastor Jerry



"All the believers were one in heart and mind...Now a man named Ananias, together with his wife Sapphira, also sold a piece of property. With his wife's full knowledge he kept back part of the money for himself. but brought the rest and put it at the apostles' feet. Then Peter said. Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land."
--Acts 4:32, 5:1-3



Posted by: JG

Quote:
Originally Posted by monis1013
James 4:1-3 What causes fights and quarrels among you? Don't they come from your desires that battle within you? You want something but don't get it. You kill and covet, but you cannot have what you want. You quarrel and fight. You do not have, because you do not ask God. When you ask, you do not receive, because you ask with the wrong motives, that you may spend what you get on your pleasures.

A house divided cannot stand. I think we as "brothers and sisters in Christ" need to quit attacking each other and listen to one another. Who knows - You might not be right all the time. Maybe someone else is right. Ask yourself this every time you get angry with someone. Leave the judging to God.


Dear Monis:

Thank you for your heart to mend the wounded, bruised and broken.
The problem with a site like this is
You have people from all denominations
all different kinds of beliefs
all different places of maturity.

Because some people have a fear of rejection, they strike out.
Because some people have hurts they have never let go, they get angry.
Because some people have a fear of failure, they think everyone is talking about them.
Because some people have so much pain in their life they will yell in fear of getting hurt.

Some people take every remark personally
Some people are offended no matter what is said because they have not really found that secret place of the most High.

We try and that is why we are here
We are here for the wounded, bruised and broken.
Isn't that wonderful.
Just like a hospital people will yell at the doctor or nurse when they are in pain. And sometimes they will not really tell you what the problem is.

As the general overseer here I try and let the smoke settle sometimes
But I love the open dialog.
But when I think it has gone to far The Lord will have me bring it to an end.

Again thank you for coming to our little Hospital on the net

Pastor Jerry


Posted by: monis1013

I meant this for page two where people were talking about anointing the entire house like living in fear or something. If we allow satan to control us, then he will.




Romans 6:16 Don't you realize that you can choose your own master? You can choose sin (with death) or else obedience (with acquittal). The one to whom you offer yourself - he will take you and be your master and you will be his slave.

I think the point is to always check yourself and make sure you are doing everything to live righteously, so you don't give satan legal access into your life.


Posted by: eagle4him

Thank you, Frederick for starting such a lively debate. We have gone from name-calling to even accusing each other of hurting the Lord, each other and ourselves since we don't know scripture well enough.

Demons can attack us even when we start out with good intentions and even when trying to help each other and pray for each other. The demons do not follow any rules of ours--they have their own system.

I for one have learned a lot from this debate. I stopped praying for others for a while so that I could lean more scripture. I even bought a parrott to call out verses when I can't remember. Thank God for the birds!


Anyway, I must get back to praying for people, for that is what the Lord has called me to do, and has annointed and appointed me for such a time as this!

Thank You, Father!


Posted by: wiselady

I agree with the other's.Satan,can attack any where.Keep the hedge
of protection,up and on everything that you come in contact with.
There is power in the Blood Of Jesus.
God Bless


Posted by: cgirl

Hi All:

Yesterday evening, I attended a “Dreams, Visions & Prophecies Conference” with speaker Prophet Kevin Leal at Faith Covenant Fellowship Church. It was wonderful and very informative.

Last night I had a dream and in the dream I was told to share some particular information with you all that I had learned during the conference. And here it is: Prophet Kevin Leal said that nightmares can be from the LORD. He said that a nightmare is the Spirit of God warning us of demonic activity in our lives and/ or in our sphere of authority. In this case, the purpose of the nightmare would be to expose the enemy and his workings.

I believe that this information will help us in understanding our nightmares and even dreams. I know that it was a revelation to me as well as a few other things he spoke on.

With love,

Joy


Posted by: cgirl

I heard this story before, this was after he cast out demons from a girl in the Phillippines.

Lester Sumrall was once sleeping on the bed. One night the devil came and shook the whole bed. He turned the whole bed upside down. He said, “Devil, get out” and the devil got out quickly. He looked around and saw the bed was in the wrong position. He said, “Devil, come back.” The devil came back and he felt the evil presence again. “Put this bed back to where it belongs.” And the devil quickly put it back. “Now get out” and the devil got out. See you don’t have to be afraid of the devil. I tell you if the devil actually appears to some, they will scream. The devil carried Jesus to a high mountain. If the devil appears to you, just look him straight in the eyes and you don’t have to be afraid of him.

http://www.**************.htm


Posted by: bill & alexis

Quote:
Originally Posted by cgirl
I heard this story before, this was after he cast out demons from a girl in the Phillippines.

Lester Sumrall was once sleeping on the bed. One night the devil came and shook the whole bed. He turned the whole bed upside down. He said, “Devil, get out” and the devil got out quickly. He looked around and saw the bed was in the wrong position. He said, “Devil, come back.” The devil came back and he felt the evil presence again. “Put this bed back to where it belongs.” And the devil quickly put it back. “Now get out” and the devil got out. See you don’t have to be afraid of the devil. I tell you if the devil actually appears to some, they will scream. The devil carried Jesus to a high mountain. If the devil appears to you, just look him straight in the eyes and you don’t have to be afraid of him.

http://www.**************.htm

I have heard this testimony before as well!
Semper Fi!
-Bill


Posted by: MamaCat

So are all dreams from God or are some from satan? [I'm not worried about the pizza dreams here]

Can satan attack a Christian in a dream?

Can satan attack a Christian in the physical realm while sleeping?

If so, why would God allow one of his children to be attacked like that?

Perhaps I should ask Job?


Posted by: pickone

Quote:
Originally Posted by cgirl
Hi All:

Yesterday evening, I attended a “Dreams, Visions & Prophecies Conference” with speaker Prophet Kevin Leal at Faith Covenant Fellowship Church. It was wonderful and very informative.

Last night I had a dream and in the dream I was told to share some particular information with you all that I had learned during the conference. And here it is: Prophet Kevin Leal said that nightmares can be from the LORD. He said that a nightmare is the Spirit of God warning us of demonic activity in our lives and/ or in our sphere of authority. In this case, the purpose of the nightmare would be to expose the enemy and his workings.

I believe that this information will help us in understanding our nightmares and even dreams. I know that it was a revelation to me as well as a few other things he spoke on.

With love,

Joy

Joy, thanks for posting this. This is another one to be added together with the "flushing dream!" Very informative.


Posted by: bill & alexis

Quote:
Originally Posted by MamaCat
So are all dreams from God or are some from satan? [I'm not worried about the pizza dreams here]

Can satan attack a Christian in a dream?

Can satan attack a Christian in the physical realm while sleeping?

If so, why would God allow one of his children to be attacked like that?

Perhaps I should ask Job?
Marci,
Hello sister! If given due cause, satan can influence a persons dreams at night.

Many nightmares, really are not nightmares due to lack of understanding the message, and relying entirely upon their feelings from how the dream affects them, which not the correct way to discern/interpret dreams!

If you have a "nightmare," post it, and let's see what it means!

Be in peace, and have a very blessed day in the LORD!
Semper Fi!
-Bill


Posted by: MamaCat

I believe my demonic nightmares are too graphic and explicit to be posted in a public forum!!!

Did you read my other post concerning demonic attacks during or after nightmares? You know, where you wake up and feel like you've been attacked physically?

Does that really happen?