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Vatican is the Great Harlot of Rev 17

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Posted by: Dr. J

The Vatican itself is the Greath Harlot, not the Pope. Revelation 17:9 The Vatican is the only government that sits on 7 mountains. Look it up. The Pope during that time Period will have a part in what happens. The Pope will be very important in the last days. Look at how many people (millions) who went to see the Pope and how it was covered and watched on TV. It will be very interesting to see what happens with the Vatican in the next year.


Posted by: Christian Commando

Quite possible Dr. J- I've had alot of people ask me who I thought the second beast- "religious leader" would be. I told them, it would have to be someone of prominance. Yet, I won't speculate, as there are other religions out there with very prominant leaders as well. My only question is this- if the seven heads represent mountains, how is it one is wounded as tho dead, but then healed again, and other Scriptures talk of the antichrist being killed, but then coming back to life? (Remember, the beast the harlot is riding on, is the antichrist or "one world government" she helps to represent.) Interesting point tho. Still could be! God Bless!!


Posted by: MamaCat

Speaking of the Pope, I heard someplace that there are pictures of all the Popes and there is only like spaces for two or three more?

I heard this a long time ago and forgot where I heard it but found it fascinating.

Anyone else hear that?


Posted by: Christian Commando

Well, it has been said by other scholars that there is suspected to be only 1-2 more before Christ returns. Wether true or not, I don't know, but it comes from the Christian biblical Prophecy national gathering held every year. God Bless!


Posted by: christythompson

I felt that John Paul II was a good man. While I am no prophetess, I feel caution in my spirit over your interpretation. Be careful in being loose of tongue with pronouncements without complete certainty. Satan wants us to point fingers at anything but Christ. Try pointing there for a while....


Posted by: Christian Commando

Christy- I'm no prophet either, but was just stating what other Christian Prophets were stating during one of thier last gathered Conferences, of which I have the tape collection. They are world known Christian Prophets from around the world who gather each year for this. You could not know for sure anymore than I, accept by what we've heard of this from them. correct? Since I see posts all the time of others claiming someone else said this or that, I suggest nothing wrong with my post. God Bless Sis in Christ!!


Posted by: MamaCat

No one is suggesting that John Paul II wasn't a good man. In fact, I've heard he's one of the most beloved Popes ever!

We're just discussing what others have said.....no malice intended or implied.


Posted by: JeriRose12

On "Jack VanImpe Presents...." he mentioned a prophesy right out of the Cahtolic church about this. A Bishop form Ireland prophecied that the 112th Pope would be the anti-Christ. He will go the way of the liberals and make them happy. The deal is, he will turn from conservatism, that the current Popes have all been clinging to. It would be the same as any church leader suddenly embracing aboriton or euthenasia or homosexuality as being OK. It happens. Another prominant Catholic, Fulten Sheen, said he believes a day is coming when a CROSSless Gospel will be preached by Catholics. This prophesy from the Irish Bishop said that the 112th Pope would be the one who turned.... that would be THE NEXT ONE. Pope Benedict XVI is the 111th. This is not about pointing fingers, it is about: Let's pray! Pope Bendict XVI might be all that stands between the church and the anti-Christ. Let's pray he is Pope a long time, and let's pray that MANY SOULS ARE SAVED QUICKLY!!! Time is short!

~JeriRose~
Finding HIM in 2005


Posted by: MamaCat

Wowza, you are a wealth of information!!!!!

I used to watch Jack Van Impe, but stopped because I thought he was too pro Catholic and quoted Catholic folks more than anyone else.

But I do recall him saying that about the Pope.

Interesting stuff isn't it!!!


Posted by: JeriRose12

Well, Pope John Paul II said the spirit of anti-Christ was already in the Catholic church, with bishops preaching that Jesus is not the son of God. So many, many Catholics have seen it coming. But Jack VanImpe said it was the Pope would be the FALSE PROPHET, not the anti-Christ himself. Sorry, I misquoted him. I was watching him again tonight, and he said the FALSE PROPHET, not the anti-Christ. You see the false prophet that speaks for the anti-Christ will be religious, so this makes sense. Bendedict XVI was Pope John Paull II's advisor, and he is going to stay with the conservative teachings. I was way impressed with the last words of his homoly. For that see the thread on him under "Praying for the President." WOW! He is really in love with Christ!

Well, that's my welath of info for now. Except it was Archbishop McGuaire who was the Irish bishop who prohesied the 112th would be the FALSE PROPHET....

~JeriRose~
Finding HIM in 2005


Posted by: Christian Commando

Jeri- Do you know what number of Pope John Paul was or the number of this Pope is? 110th- 112th-? Thats interesting. Never knew which was true, as it had been up in the air for the last 5-10 years who the religious Prophet of the Beast would be.


Posted by: Christian Commando

Another thing too is, if recall correctly, news reports of John Paul had stated he was one of the most positive influencial Popes in that religions history, for the very few others that were, for the people and Vatican. So he certainly was a very good man. God Bless!!


Posted by: Dr. J

John Paul II did say that the Pope after the Benidect would be the False Prophet. This is the problem: The Catholic Religion is the largest Chrisitan religion, by any means the devil will have to use the Catholic church in order to decieve the whole world. Look at all the attention the Pope has gottne over the last few months. IMANGINE IF HE HAD THAT MUCH MEDIA ATTENTION AND CLAIMED THAT SOMEONE ELSE WAS THE CHRIST OR HE PERFORMED MIRACLES. Would you be inclined to believe??? WE ARE SO CLOSE PEOPLE....The Bibile has the answer for who the Great Harlot is. Remember eventually the "Beast" will hate the Harlot and destroy her.


Posted by: JeriRose12

Benedict XVI is the 111th, so the NEXT ONE could be the FALSE PROPHET! It is not so much the Catholic Church, it is the MAN who leads it. The Catholic's are one billion strong, 1/6 of the world's population! Think how many people that is! We MUST pray they are GOOD SAVED, so this Pope can not lead them into the anti-Christ way of thinking. As to Benedict XVI, read his homoly under the thread for him in the "Pray for the President" forum. It is POWERFUL. This man LOVES Jesus. My only concern is that he said the Catholic Church is "the one true church." I simply pray for the unity of faith of ALL believers in Jesus Christ!

~JeriRose~
Finding HIM in 2005


Posted by: Christian Commando

Yea, I realize your ramifications, but thats like saying Donald Trump will be the anti-christ for the publicity and money he has. I still will not claim this is true until see proof. There have been all kinds of suggestions over the last decade of who the anti-christ and his religious leader will be. And by rights, all have been very prominant leaders with plenty of exposure and "power" over people if you will. But, I am not worried about such things, as God Declares this- "man of perdition" shall be known to the world shortly before the rapture occurs. Then, all will know who these two are for sure. As it were- "the proof is not in the pudding" as yet. God Bless!!


Posted by: MamaCat

Quote:
Originally Posted by Christian Commando
... as God Declares this- "man of perdition" shall be known to the world shortly before the rapture occurs.

I'm taking you to task again brother! Show me the verses!!


Posted by: MamaCat

Quote:
Originally Posted by JeriRose12
Benedict XVI is the 111th, so the NEXT ONE could be the FALSE PROPHET!

Wow, the NEXT Pope eh? MARANATHA!!!!


Posted by: JeriRose12

Well, I am not saying 100% for sure it IS the Pope who will be the false prophet, but in light of prophesy and scripture it makes sense. I and many others have long thought this. Including Catholics. And because Cathlics tend to be liberal in many parts of the world, they will gladly embrace this false prophet who will throw out the conservative views of the church. Hey, some think Bush is the anti-christ! I saw an entire webiste devoted to the subject of George W. Bush, as the anti-Christ. I do not profess that God told ME this in prophesy (about the Pope). I am just reporting prophesies and predicitons of others. And they have been around for years. Archbishop McGuaire, an Irish bishop, prohphesied this back in 1143, and it is only a warning in my mind: Jesus could return SOON so be ready and be about the work of helping others get ready!

~JeriRose~
Finding HIM in 2005


Posted by: Christian Commando

MamaCat- Read II Thes. 2:1-4. God Bless!!


Posted by: Christian Commando

JeriRose and others- For who the false prophet will be, the Pope is definitely in the running, since has one of the largest followings on the planet but also because the Vatican operates on a level of tyrany. But, since theres been 4 for sure and maybe more different names given as the anti-christ, all "fitting the bill" so far as wealth, power and prestige are concerned, the Pope isn't the only one with multitudes following him either. Have to admit tho, the situation is most convincing for where the home of the religion is located, it's power and prestige and ability to influence those governments is considerable. I'm not one to go blowing around about stuff being for sure unless God has proven it without doubt. God Bless!!


Posted by: MamaCat

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Originally Posted by Christian Commando
MamaCat- Read II Thes. 2:1-4. God Bless!!


What an amazing part of scripture! Brings up some interesting points:

2 Thes. 2:1-4 Let no one deceive or beguile you in any way,

for that day [what day? the Day of the LORD. Is this the Rapture or the Second Coming? Or does this refer to a 'day' as a 'season' as in the Tribulation period? 1 Cor. 1:8 says "He will keep you strong to the end, so that you will be blameless on the day of our Lord Jesus Christ." and Phil. 1:6 says "being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus."]

will not come except the apostasy [One possible rendering of the Greek apostasia is "departure (of the church")] comes first [unless the predicted great falling away of those who have professed to be Christians has come],

and the man of lawlessness (sin) is revealed,

who is the son of doom (of perdition),

who opposes and exalts himself so proudly and insolently against and over all that is called God or that is worshiped,

[even to his actually] taking his seat in the temple of God,

proclaiming that he himself is God.

Doesn't this seem to say that until the Church is raptured, after the church is raptured, THEN and only then will the man of sin or antichrist be revealed? He may be known to the world, but not AS the antichrist, only as a great leader, until after the church is gone, THEN his true identity will be revealed. If it was revealed prior to the departure of the Church, we'd not only blow the whistle on him but our presence on earth would hinder his objectives. And the temple won't be built until the Tribulation is here so that puts this timeline way into that time....almost to the Second Coming.

I believe once the church is gone, then comes the GREAT APOSTASY of the church, the antichrist revealed, sets himself up in the temple and proclaims he is god. None of that could happen if we were still here. But through the deception of the great apostasy, it will be easily done. I thought about that when the Pope passed. People all over the world mourned and went to his funeral or procession, by the thousands. This is NO reflection on the man, who I believe was a true Christian, but upon how so many worship and adore and serve one leader without question. I think satan will have an easy time of it getting folks to follow and serve his puppets, the False Prophet, the AntiChrist, etc., during the Tribulation. People without solid Bible foundations are easily deceived.

Please don't read what I'm saying as an attack on any group or person. That is not my intent. I'm just making observations on what I see and read.

I just love discussing this stuff!!!



Posted by: akabezalel

Perhaps less speculation and groundless 'proofs'.

If you are going to say things like all of you have been saying you need to pin point it in the WORD and only the WORD... not some tape or speech that said something that may or may not be true.

The Anti-Prophet could just as easily be the Pope or Benny Hinn or Reinhardt Bonke or the Dhali Lama or Osama Bin Ladin or even Billy Graham. All of whom are world religious leaders. All of whom are conservative. All of whom carry a great following of people who believe everything that issues from their mouths. All of whom would be devastated and offended to be listed as possible anti-Prophets.

My personal belief is that the anti-Christ and anti-Prophet will be men who shoot up out of the nameless crowd and burn hot for their season. I think while our attention is focused on the top 10% of leadership of the world religious leaders as the bad guys, we will be broadsided by this pair of no name anonymities as they shoot up and form a 'World Church' that has nothing to do with the major world religions as they stand now... Catholic, Muslim or Buddhist.

Satan has always had men ready through the ages to step into these roles, this time in history is no different. There are two men alive right now who could step into these roles with no hesitation, just as Judas was unknown to all but Jesus until the proper time. The hand of the Lord restrains them for now and that is what we need to pray about!

Asking the Lord to stay His return until everyone has a chance to hear the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Once He returns these two men will shoot to prominence from the faceless crowd. It is possible that they start their rise shortly before Christ's return but I do not believe that the Christians of that period of time will recognize them for who they are.

I cannot give you Chapter and Verse on these beliefs, they stem from years of listening to my husband who finds the end times fascinating and checks everything against the WORD, reading the WORD for myself and praying.

There is noting definitive in my personal beliefs because this jigsaw is missing too many pieces to make a complete picture and I believe God wants it that way so I am content to wait on Him and pray for the lost while watching the sky for His return.

Father, I stand asking You to hold back the men who are waiting to take over the lives of the world. Lord hold them back and send more laborers into the fields of harvest! Touch more hearts to seek Your face! Touch more lives with Your changes that make them hungry for Your life, your Presence, Your WORD! Your Salvation. Lord open the eyes of those who need to see Your Goodness. Open the ears of those who need to hear Your WORD. Cause those who are lost to be desperate for You. Make the world hungry and thirsty for Your Son Jesus! Send the laborers Lord! Send the laborers! In the Name of Jesus! AMEN!


Posted by: Christian Commando

Thank you for clarifying that, as partly the reason I do not ascribe to who they will be. **MamaCat- IIThes. 2:1- "the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and by our gathering together unto Him...Rapture. 2- That ye be not shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor byword, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of the Christ is at hand.- (Coming soon). 3- Let no man decieve you by any means: for that day shall not come, except thhere be a falling away first- (Falling away from Christianity), and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition. (Anti-christ). God Bless!!


Posted by: Christian Commando

This comes from my "50's" KJV Bible.


Posted by: MamaCat

Well if it's from the KJV it must be right!!!