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what about those which did not know Jesus?
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Posted by: Frederik
In another forum somebody wrote that buddhists for example do not know more about Jesus than we know about Buddha and because of this it would be unfair if they went to hell.
What do you think? Do these people go straight to hell or do they have a chance to also make it if they did "good works"? The bible talks about this somewhere, but I don't know where right now. 
But if everybody can make it as long as he does good works then why did Jesus even order the gospel to be preached since every good guy makes it anyway? This makes no sense. 
Posted by: Christian Commando
Frederik- Christ declared- unless a man be born again, he shall not see the kingdom of Heaven. Can a person be a Buhdist and still be born again? No. God and Christ both declare a person cannot drink of the cup of devils and of Christ together. Nor can they eat of the table of Christ and of devils together. A person cannot serve two masters, for they will love the one, hate the other, follow the one and despise the other. While it may seem unfair my friend, it is not. For they have elected to believe in and follow a false doctrine. The ones I've dealt with try to claim they follow the same God you and I do. False. Thier doctrine contradicts God's Word too much, even if does coincide in some respects. This proves it is not the same God as ours, they are following, but really satan. Does this help? God Bless Brother in Christ!!
Posted by: Frederik
Okay, but imagine you grow up in Asia and have never heard about Jesus and then you die. Or imagine you hear about Jesus maybe 1 time. You're a buddhist and 1 time you hear something about him. Does God expect you to directly believe in him? I mean would you directly believe in something only because you heard something about it? The buddhists are as convinced as we are so would you even think about giving up your faith? No, you wouldn't. So why should they think about it?
Posted by: Christian Commando
Frederik- God explains this as such- His Word will be preached to all the world eventually. As people hear, it will be thier choice as to believe or not. If hadn't heard as yet and die, this is part of the situation. It's clear God knew these people wouldn't accept the Truth anyway. See, God declares - many shall come but few will enter. He already knows who will accept His Gospel of Christ and who won't. It appears unfair to those who haven't realized most of the poulation will never accept the Truth of the Gospel. think about this Brother- what is the total world population right now? What percentage of it is true Christian? Now, consider what the planets population growth is as well. Then check statistics on the number of Christians that are truely saved. I've met alot of people claiming to be Christians. Some, when asked a simple question, prove out they are not, but thinking thier "works" are getting them to Heaven. But- If Grace be of Grace, then works is no more works. But if works be of works, then Grace is no more Grace and Jesus died on the cross in vain. You may think this system is unfair, but you cannot know and understand the unlimited power, knowlege and wisdom of God. No one can. We can realize it to a point, but never fully. God Bless my friend!!
Posted by: Frederik
But if you are right then there's also no need to hurry and to preach the gospel to the whole world cause those which are supposed to be saved are saved anyway.
Imagine somebody is dying and has never heard of Jesus does this mean that he would not have accepted him anyway?
Posted by: Christian Commando
But, thats the whole reason to be consistant in spreading the Gospel as possible. We have to do our part to reach as much of the world as possible before the time of Christ's return arrives. There are still many out there who will accept the Truth if hear it. they can't if someone doesn't reach them before hand. Understand? You and I don't know who will, God does. God Bless Brother!!
Posted by: Frederik
I don't understand one thing. I often hear stories of how God reached out to people which live far away from the civilization and how Jesus revealed himself to them. But if this really happens then why are there no evangelists in these regions which are far away from the civilization? If God reveals himself to a few people in those regions then wouldn't these people automatically become evangelists and evangelize their areas? But today there are many countries where the people don't have any clue about Jesus.
Posted by: Christian Commando
Well, while all things are possible in God, I suggest this person probably came across someone from a village in a surrounding area who had heard the Word preached.
God could have reached out to this one person all by themselves, but it wouldn't make any sense to send out Missionaries as Christ trained and the Holy Spirit led the Apostles to do, spreading the evangelism as it went, if God would choose to do this Himself.
Tho I won't say it's impossible, as so much God declares He does is a mystery to us. that does not mean He will do everything as a constant practice, but maybe to demonstrate something before particular others, that they might believe.
The majority of the time, someone from a less civilized area usaully comes in contact with a True Child of God-(which can be a converted tribesman from another village), from missionary work in a neighboring area.
God Bless!!
Posted by: Frederik
But even today there are many countries where the gospel has never been preached.
Posted by: Christian Commando
Yes, but you must give the "Body of Christ" time to reach them. God will reach all the world thru His people, but it will still take time, tho advancing further faster with this new technology.
God Bless!!
Posted by: Frederik
But in the meantime people die all around the world.
When the bible says the gospel shall be preached to all creation then does it mean 100% of all humans living at a certain time? Cause all humans which every lived cannot be meant.
Posted by: Christian Commando
Now Brother, be careful, wording things wrong again. God did not say it would be "at" a certain time, but "by" a certain time.
to say it your way, you could claim God is going to have the Gospel reach all nations by 2:00P.M this Sunday or Monday. He doesn't say that.
He also does not declare anywhere, that every ear shall hear, but that all nations shall have heard the Word preached in them. So absolutely not, it does not mean all ears shall hear it.
God Bless!!
Posted by: Frederik
Does this mean that those which did not hear it wouldn't have become saved anyway and so it doesn't even matter? But then again you could say that since they never heard it they also never really had a free choice and christians always say that God puts so much emphasis on our free will.
Somehow this doesn't fit together.
Posted by: Christian Commando
To be honest Frederik, I won't judge those people if God knew they wouldn't have accepted the Truth of Salvation or not. I don't know.
Your question about "free will" cannot be discussed from our point of view, for the fact you and I are limited in our understanding and only god would know why He allowed this.
I can assure you tho, God allowed it from a rightceous stand point, or it wouldn't happen as such.
As with the rest of us my friend, there will be some things you won't understand why they happen as they do. But God, in His all knowing abilitiy and purity of rightceousness will know and understand why.
Again with faith- there are just some things each of us will have to take on faith that God knew best for something, better than we understood.
god bless!!
Posted by: Frederik
That's right.