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Psalm 91

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Posted by: Frederik

Psa 91:10 There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling.
Psa 91:11 For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.
Psa 91:12 They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.


This is what I don't understand. When you read these verses then you get the impressions that christians are protected against anything and nothing can happen to them. But christians also have accidents. Why?


Posted by: pickone

James 1:3 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.

If we die to ourselves (doing what we want to do) to follow after what God wants to do, we are directly within the will of God. I'm not saying this is easy to do, it goes against our natural man to do what the Spirit directs.

Love your enemy, forgive all men, never lie, etc.

We begin to get deliverance from things that have been bothering us. Hate, envy, strife, backstabbing, etc. We get peace, assurance, more of the Presence of God, more joy.

Our flesh does not want to die, so it will struggle against the Spirit. We have to make a decision, consciously, to do the thing the way God wants it done. When we start to do this, we will begin to see some victories.


Posted by: Christian Commando

Frederik- Pickone is right. The reason we don't see all these things fully happening is because the old flesh nature is fighting against the new spiritual nature being developed in a saved and reborn person. God calls it thru Paul- the carnal and spiritual natures. The more God's spiritual nature within us wins over trials and temptations that used to draw us to sin, the more victories- results you asked about, are seen in a saved person's life.

The more control a saved person allows the Holy Spirit to have over a thier life to direct them as God wants for them, the more victory these people see in thier lives, thus the more Blessed and protected by God.

God Bless!!


Posted by: MamaCat

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Originally Posted by Frederik
Psa 91:10 There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling.
Psa 91:11 For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.
Psa 91:12 They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.


This is what I don't understand. When you read these verses then you get the impressions that christians are protected against anything and nothing can happen to them. But christians also have accidents. Why?
It begins in Psalms 91:1:

He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High ...... [NIV]

Then and only then does the rest apply!!!

In case you're unsure what that means, consider other versions summitted for your dining pleasure:

The Message: You who sit down in the High God's presence, spend the night in Shaddai's shadow,

Amplified: HE WHO dwells in the secret place of the Most High shall remain stable and fixed under the shadow of the Almighty [Whose power no foe can withstand]. (Footnote: The rich promises of this whole chapter are dependent upon one's meeting exactly the conditions of these first two verses (see Exod. 15:26).)

Young's Literal Translation: He who is dwelling In the secret place of the Most High, In the shade of the Mighty lodgeth habitually,

Bon Appetite!!!


Posted by: JG

MaMa is right but lets look at verse 9 it gives us the answer

Psa 91:9
Because thou hast made the LORD, [which is] my refuge, [even] the most High, thy habitation;

Because: ... tells you why....What have we done
You have made the Lord, which is my refuge
Even the most high... (tells you who you are making your refuge)
Your habitation... (as long as you are in the presence of God)

Now the rest of the verses come into play
Psa 91:10 There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling.

Psa 91:11 For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.

Psa 91:12 They shall bear thee up in [their] hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.

Psa 91:13 Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder: the young lion and the dragon shalt thou trample under feet.

Psa 91:14 Because he hath set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver him: I will set him on high, because he hath known my name.

Psa 91:15 He shall call upon me, and I will answer him: I [will be] with him in trouble; I will deliver him, and honour him.

Psa 91:16 With long life will I satisfy him, and shew him my salvation.


Posted by: Frederik

Jerry, does this mean that any christian who has an accident did not really make the Lord his refuge?


Posted by: Christian Commando

Frederik- Because man iis falable and makes mistakes, he will not always be right with God. thus, thru his own misgivings, he will bring things upon himself. Secondly, as seen before in other threads, I believe God knew the above because He also declares as Christ does, it will rain on the just as well as the unjust.

God and Christ also show where God's children will suffer for them for one, and that we will go thru trials and tribulations in order to draw us closer to God.

God bless!!


Posted by: Frederik

But then I don't understand why psalm 91 says this:

Psa 91:11 For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.

Psa 91:12 They shall bear thee up in [their] hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.

This is exactly what I don't understand about the bible. It says something but then again there are exceptions.But what if you totally rely on these verses and think that nothing can happen to you and one day something happens and you're totally disappointed cause you thought that nothing could happen to you? We are to have child-like faith. When a child reads this then it doesn't think about exceptions, it simply believes it. But how can you have child-like faith when everything is so complicated?


Posted by: Christian Commando

Well now my friend- that usaully depends upon the amount of control each of us allows the Holy Spirit to have for guiding us thru this life, doesn't it? The more we allow the Holy Spirit control over our lives, the more we- you might say, give God per-mission to love us, protect us, guide us, etc.

The more we struggle to have control over ourselves instead of letting God have it, the more we limit God to what He can do in, for and thru us.

God Bless!!


Posted by: Frederik

I don't know.
Even the greatest christians have accidents. This would mean that they all did not allow God to have the control.


Posted by: Christian Commando

My friend- How many people do you know have reached a level of "Spiritual Nature" being so "Christ-like", they are not affected by any worldly lusts, temptations or trials?

A person can get strong enough in God to truely cut the "carnal" struggle between our flesh and the Spirit down considerably, but have never heard or witnessed any reaching a full "Spiritual man" state as yet.

Besides, we've discussed this before as well too. Remember, God and Christ declares it'll rain upon the just as well as the unjust and that God's children shall suffer?

We have discussed so many things that you are bringing us back thru well "charted territory" we'd covered before.

As bill declared, you have been promoted to a higher position of responcibility, realizing you can move on to other uncharted subjects. For all we've covered so far, you have these answers already.

God Bless my friend!!


Posted by: pickone

I used to think like that, Frederik. Saying things like, "I'll just let God have control." Upon further reflection, I believe God didn't need me to let him have control since He is the creator of the world and everything in it.

I think sometimes He lets us believe we are in control of a situation, so we can see what kind of mess we can get ourselves into without Him, ha!

When we start walking around in shoes that are too big for us to wear, anything can happen. Even accidents. But some things are not what they appear to be. Some accidents are not really accidents. We see the small things as they happen. God sees it all.

Just for an example of what I mean.....Someone may get a flat tire on the highway and cut his hand changing the tire. He may think, "Why did God let this happen to me? I follow him and do my best to be obedient!" What he may not see is up the road there was a huge accident where many people were hurt. Had he gone on without incident, he would not have been able to avoid getting hurt worse.

I hope I didn't word this response in a way that would hurt anyone's feelings. What I mean is, sometimes we hang onto a situation too tightly and we need to let go of it.

Isaiah 55:9
For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

Jerry is right. God's promises are true.


Posted by: pickone

Quote:
Originally Posted by Christian Commando
Frederik- Because man iis falable and makes mistakes, he will not always be right with God. thus, thru his own misgivings, he will bring things upon himself. Secondly, as seen before in other threads, I believe God knew the above because He also declares as Christ does, it will rain on the just as well as the unjust.

God and Christ also show where God's children will suffer for them for one, and that we will go thru trials and tribulations in order to draw us closer to God.

God bless!!

This is right on! Good job! Hallelujah!

Hebrews 5:8
Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;


Posted by: Frederik

But then I dont understand why the bible not simply adds these conditions.
Like:

Psa 91:11 For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.

Psa 91:12 They shall bear thee up in [their] hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone. (unless it might be better for you if you dashed your foot against a stone cause there might be an even bigger stone to dash your foot against around the next corner...)


Posted by: pickone

Quote:
Originally Posted by Frederik
But then I dont understand why the bible not simply adds these conditions.
Like:

Psa 91:11 For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.

Psa 91:12 They shall bear thee up in [their] hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone. (unless it might be better for you if you dashed your foot against a stone cause there might be an even bigger stone to dash your foot against around the next corner...)

Frederik, do you know anyone who speaks Hebrew who can tell you exactly what this portion of scripture means? Sometimes the answers are surprising, but you will recognize if they are right. I'm not saying the meaning is lost in the translation, I'm just saying that maybe this statement refers to another teaching that Hebrews of that day are familiar with, but that we would have to be told more so we could get the fuller meaning of it.

If you don't find satisfactory answers to all of your questions, will you still be a believer? Will you hold onto your faith until God gives you the answer that you are looking for? Just wondering......

Once I had too many questions......why do people suffer, why do children die....stuff like that. God finally gave me a dream and in that dream He answered all of my hard questions. All of His answers were short and they were direct and they were right. To this day, I cannot remember the answers, but I know they exist. Maybe you should ask God these questions directly and then search the Word of God carefully for them.

.....Carol


Posted by: Christian Commando

Pickone- I doubt you hurt any feelings, fact is you right. I appreciate others who add more detail to general explainations I give, because many people can figure God operates only the one way.

This is why God shows He has a time and purpose for all things, as there will be times He'll be protecting us, other times for us to learn a lesson, other times to help another in need, etc..

So... God Bless you for being right on too and thank you for that wonderful addition. Frederik- You've also forgotten the reason God will allow things to happen to his Children to help draw them closer to him, by needing to depend on God more.

God Bless!!