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pain in heaven?

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Posted by: Frederik

Did God actually design humans to be able to also feel physical pain or did this also happen through the fall of man? Could Adam have felt any pain in paradise? Cut he accidentally have cut himself or fallen from a cliff? Even if there was no death, what about accidents? Could they have happened?
What would have happened if Eve had fallen and knocked her head against a stone? Would she have felt anything?


Posted by: christythompson

In heaven we will not be earthy vessels, earthly bodies,
so why would there be pain?
Cease with worry and fretting.
Trust God that he knows best.


Posted by: Remnant7

What's the reason for the question Frederick? Why are you thinking on these things? We'll know all things when we are out of these bodies and present with Christ. Be blessed, and I pray your back is feeling better.


Posted by: Frederik

I made a mistake, I do not mean heaven I mean the garden of Eden.
Was there pain in the garden of Eden? What would have happened if Adam had cut himself?


Posted by: footprint9

Hey Frederik,

Man is your mind racing with questions lately! What's brought all this on? Not that there's anything wrong with asking questions or wanting to know more about God (I do it all the time ) but I often find that they can actually drag me off track a bit - I get caught up in the hypothetical (and often irresolvable) details and lose sight of what God actually wants me to be focussing on.

Sorry, I haven't got a clue on the pain in Eden issue. Frankly, I tend to treat the whole concept of Eden as more of an explanatory tool or analogy rather than a chronological fact. To me, it is not important whether it actually existed or not, we can still draw the same teachings from it. I'm not saying it definitely didn't exist, after all we have an all-powerful God, so if He wanted to create an Eden but obscure it from all historical/scientific records, who's to stop Him?

J


Posted by: Frederik

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Originally Posted by footprint9
but I often find that they can actually drag me off track a bit - I get caught up in the hypothetical (and often irresolvable) details and lose sight of what God actually wants me to be focussing on.


Me too....


Posted by: footprint9

Hmm.. so what to do about it?

Should we stop asking questions?
-Doesn't seem like a good idea to me as they're a useful way to learn.
-besides, not asking them doesn't mean they won't drive you nuts thinking about them anyway.
-If we don't address the issues, how are we supposed to answer the questions/attacks of non-christians?

How do we avoid this problem? Whenever I read the Bible, like Frederik, I just end up with more questions.

It's easy to say 'Just trust God' (much more difficult to do). I don't particularly subscribe to the 'blind faith' mentality though.

Suggestions anyone?

J


Posted by: Christian Commando

Frederik- Does not God's Word show in His Word where our spirits can feel? The rich man felt the torment of Hell. If Adam and Eve were given all that food from God to eat, wouldn't it be logical they could feel as well? Surely they had both faculties of feeling sensations thru both the psychological and physiological ways. Otherwise, how would they tell texture, (smooth, rough, etc)? Yes, they could. Remember, thier physical bodies were made from the dust of the ground, which means they had a central nervous system. God Bless!!


Posted by: Frederik

I am simply asking myself wether something like pain existed in heaven.
Would Adam have felt pain if he had stepped on a sharp stone? What would have happened? Could Adam have bled in paradise? Sin brought diseases. But what about accidents? Could Adam have hurt himself in paradise? Or was this also not possible?


Posted by: bill & alexis

Quote:
Originally Posted by Frederik
I am simply asking myself wether something like pain existed in heaven.
Would Adam have felt pain if he had stepped on a sharp stone? What would have happened? Could Adam have bled in paradise? Sin brought diseases. But what about accidents? Could Adam have hurt himself in paradise? Or was this also not possible?
Frederik,
I was going to pass this question up, and the LORD made me come back to give you an answer.

I do not think we will feel physical pain in Heaven, but those in Hell will.

People will feel "loss" in Heaven. At the judgment seat of Christ, all of our "works" will be tried by fire, and works, which were not of God (likened unto chaff) will be burned-up.

Frederik, Heaven is a place of absolute perfection, beyond what a human mind can even imagine, much less conceive. Even those who had been blessed with a 3rd Heaven visitation could not fully comprehend or even explain what they had seen! YES, it is that AWESOME, because GOD IS THAT AWESOME!

I hope this answers your question satisfactorily.

Have a very blessed day in the LORD!
Semper Fi!
-Bill


Posted by: Frederik

Thanks Bill.
According to one book from Rick Joyner where he has a vision of heaven it will be very unpleasant and tormenting when you stand before Jesus. In his vision he talked to somebody who describes this and he said that it felt like this time was longer than his entire life and it was very unpleasant.


Posted by: Christian Commando

Well, the way I believe God shows that, our spirit can feel pain, but as Bill said, do not believe there will be any in Heaven, as that is eternal life, with joy, happiness, no more strife, etc.

Only because the richman could feel pain physically in Hell is why I believe our spirit, regardless of where it's at, could feel pain, if present.

I probably didn't clarify that too well. Forgive me. God Bless!!


Posted by: Frederik

Allright.


Posted by: Remnant7

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Originally Posted by footprint9
It's easy to say 'Just trust God' (much more difficult to do). I don't particularly subscribe to the 'blind faith' mentality though.

Suggestions anyone?

J

I have a suggestion, quit being so condescending. Blind faith? To have faith is to believe in something you don't see with your natural eyes. Here's a suggestion, why don't you search out the word to learn the width, depth and power of what you're are so blithly dismissing. Faith is VERY powerful and, according to Jesus, you can't please God without it.


Posted by: MamaCat

And if you're going to toss aside Genesis as 'may or may not' be true or real, you might as well pitch your whole Bible.

Without the BEGINNING, you lose the END!!!


Posted by: Remnant7

Thanks for that reply MamaCat... I was going to post about that too, but you did a better job than I did.