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do you think Jesus' crucifixion was as dramatic as in the Passion?

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Posted by: Frederik

Do you think it was really as gigantic as it was in this movie? I mean what if there weren't as many people around? Or what if the cross was not as huge as in the movie? I don't know but after seeing the movie I always imagine the crucifixion to have been exactly the way it was in this movie but what if it wasn't? Somehow it's really strange cause the soundtrack also played a huge role in the movie. Without it it would not have been so impressive. But when Jesus was crucified there was no gigantic soundtrack in the background. Maybe if we would see the crucifixion how it really was it wouldn't even impress us cause we're used to these impressive movie pictures where everything is just perfect and impressive and then you also have this booming soundtrack which adds even more dramatic art.


Posted by: bill & alexis

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Originally Posted by Frederik
Do you think it was really as gigantic as it was in this movie? I mean what if there weren't as many people around? Or what if the cross was not as huge as in the movie? I don't know but after seeing the movie I always imagine the crucifixion to have been exactly the way it was in this movie but what if it wasn't? Somehow it's really strange cause the soundtrack also played a huge role in the movie. Without it it would not have been so impressive. But when Jesus was crucified there was no gigantic soundtrack in the background. Maybe if we would see the crucifixion how it really was it wouldn't even impress us cause we're used to these impressive movie pictures where everything is just perfect and impressive and then you also have this booming soundtrack which adds even more dramatic art.

Frederik,
Hello brother! Good question! I believe when the LORD was crucified, it was even more than that which was portrayed in the movie.

I believe if we could see behind the veil - into the spiritual realm - we would have been in awe!

Some saw it for what it was, while others - like the religious ones - didn't see anything special...

Have a very blessed day in the LORD!
Semper Fi!
-Bill


Posted by: Frederik

But what if the crucifixion was nothing like that in the movie?
I mean imagine Jesus is crucified to a small cross which doesn't look so bombastic and calvary is also not as high as in the movie and there are also a few people around. This is strange somehow. I mean there are also Jesus movies where the crucifixion scene is not so impressive and rather decent and after having seen the passion it's really weird cause once you've seen these bombastic pictures you automatically think that it has been exactly like this and when you see other Jesus movies then it seems really odd.


Posted by: bill & alexis

Interesting question, but ultimately it doesn't matter!


If your really curious - just ask God!

Semper Fi!
-Bill


Posted by: Frederik

Ask God? And then?


Posted by: Christian Commando

Frederik- God declared as well as Christ and Old Test. Prophecies claimed Christ would take on the sins of the man and the world. Do you honestly believe that what was shown in the "Passion of the Christ" for Jesus' physical form of that sin was only that much?

I suggest much worse yet. (Thats alot of sin for one body to take on Bro.) Think about it. God Bless!!


Posted by: son of God

our Father tell us that u couldnt even recgonize him and when john wrote rev
and he started to cry cuz in his mind who is wrothing of open the saels he looked upon a man that john said that didnt look of a man cuz he so disfigure that word servant


Posted by: Frederik

Yes, it must have been terrible.


Posted by: Christian Commando

I'll promise you this my friend- there isn't a human alive or dead who could've taken on the pain and suffering of all that sin. Only God in the flesh, as Jesus Christ, could have. Both physically and spiritually.

God Bless!!


Posted by: Frederik

Did Jesus experience God's wrath on the cross?
Was God in heaven being totally angry over our sins and then he released this anger on Jesus?


Posted by: Christian Commando

No. God declares- sin entered the world by one man, and death by sin. since man brought the sin into the world, a permanent price sometime, had to be paid in order to break the hold of it from seperating man from God.

Christ's physical death and shed blood on the cross and then His Spirit's descention to Hell for 3 days and nites paid that price. For both man and the world.

thats all Brother. God Bless!!


Posted by: Frederik

But God is angry at our sins,right?
Then why didn't Jesus experience God's anger? If God had held his anger back then he would still be angry at us.


Posted by: Christian Commando

Why in God's Name, would Christ have experienced God's anger, when Jesus died to save you and I from "our" sins? Jesus Christ God declares did no sin, knew no sin, etc. Why would God bring anger upon christ then? Particularly when approached John the Baptist, and then before the few disciples at the transfiguration of Christ on that hill or mountan, God declared of Jesus- "This is My Son, in whom I'm well pleased."

Yes, God is angry at our sins, but not with us. If were, then He could rightceously have refused to show us Mercy in not sacrificing Christ for our sins.

God wasn't taking vengence out against us when christ suffered the sins of the world and of man. Or against Jesus. It wasn't wrath my boy.

God Bless!!


Posted by: Frederik

What about this?

Psa 88:6 Thou hast laid me in the lowest pit, in darkness, in the deeps.
Psa 88:7 Thy wrath lieth hard upon me, and thou hast afflicted me with all thy waves. Selah.

Psalm 88 is about Jesus being in hades.

Derek Prince said that God's wrath rolled over Jesus like a wave.


Posted by: Christian Commando

Dear boy- Would not God and Christ have both declared it was God's "Wrath"- righceous anger, if it had been? Yes they would have. But... they did not, did they?

God Bless!!


Posted by: Frederik

I don't know what you mean.
Psalm 88 describes Jesus in Hades.
Who do you think is referred to with "thy anger"?


Posted by: MamaCat

Think of a courthouse. When the Judge pronounces punishment to the criminal, the Judge is not angry about it, he's just performing his job as a judge, serving justice.

The punishment we deserve is death. We are all on 'death row' waiting to die, unless and until we accept the substitutionary payment that Jesus provided us on the cross.

God the Judge, being holy and righteous, has to punish sin. God's law demands justice be served. We've all broken God's laws.

Jesus stepped in and said, "I'll pay the fine and take the punishment for them, I'll take their place." The Judge agrees and it is finished.

The jail cell is now opened. We no longer have to be on death row. But we must accept what Jesus did and step out of the cell.


Posted by: Christian Commando

Frederik- Another way that might help you understand how God looks at things is this- What is "death" the wages of? Sin. God did not say man was the wages of death.

Thus, God is irritated at the sin we do, not us ourselves. Thats why, when we do sin, we must pay the price or seek forgiveness for that sin. If angry with us alone, He would never have allowed man to go on from Noah's day.

God bless!!


Posted by: Frederik

But psalm 88 says thy anger.
Why don't you explain what this is supposed to say in your opinion if it doesn't mean what it says. This makes no sense.

Psa 88:6 Thou hast laid me in the lowest pit, in darkness, in the deeps.
Psa 88:7 Thy wrath lieth hard upon me, and thou hast afflicted me with all thy waves. Selah.

Who is the person in the lowest pit? Jesus.
Who is Jesus referring to? The Father.
Whose wrath is Jesus talking about? The wrath of God.
It's crystal clear.


Posted by: Christian Commando

Dear Brother- Recheck what I stated in my above post here and notice what was said.

The "Wages" of sin is death- Eternal seperation from God in Hell. Jesus Christ took upon Himself the sins of the world and man, thus, He paid the pentalty for that- "Wages"- God's Wrath against sin, by going to Hell for 3 days and nites, for our lives.

People suffer the "Wages"- eternal seperation from God and torment, in Hell for not accepting God's way of Salvation. But God was angry with the sin committed, not the people. Thus, the "Wages" are considered "Wrath" of God because He hated the sin not the sinner. Yet, would He be rightceous in letting unrepentant people into His Heaven to disrupt it as Lucifer and his angels had? No.

the reason it's called "Wrath", is because those people refused to believe and follow Him- God. Yes, maybe some would change thier minds about the way they thought and did things after going to Hell, but then it's too late.

God clearly shows in His Word, man has to learn to be smart enough, during a whole life time here on earth, to make that decision. If won't, "Sa La Ve" as it were. It was thier choice.

the "Wrath" spoken of in that passage is the place He is at. Hell. But remember, it's not against Him, but bearing down on Him as He is the sacrifice for you and I. Also keep in mind the fact of physical suffering He endured that started the process.

Besides, the level of torment Christ endured in physical beatings and going to Hell were for past, present and future sins people would commit. (Beaten to being unrecognizable- remember?). Thats why it's called "Wrath" for what Christ endured.

God Bless!!