I want to know what everyone thinks about Cousin Relationships, is it a sin? I don't see where it's a sin in the bible...what are your thoughts??
Posted by: son of God
this want i think me think u need to read LEVITICUS CHAPTER 18
servant
Posted by: Bizca
There is no Bible
teaching on the subject of cousins marrying. Marriages were forbidden
under the Levitical code within a certain degree of kinship, but even
then marriage of cousins was not forbidden (see Leviticus 18:1-30). I know it's legal in Texas for cousins to marry.
Posted by: akabezalel
What part of Lev. 18:6 do you not understand? Here are several versions to read.
(HNV) "'None of you shall approach anyone who are his close relatives, to uncover their nakedness: I am the LORD.
(KJV+) None3808, 376, 376 of you shall approach7126 to413 any3605 that is near7607 of kin1320 to him, to uncover1540 their nakedness:6172 I589 am the LORD.3068
(KJVR) None of you shall approach to any that is near of kin to him, to uncover their nakedness: I am the LORD.
(LITV) None of you shall draw near to any relative of his flesh to uncover their nakedness; I am Jehovah.
(MKJV) None of you shall approach to any who are near of kin to him, to uncover their nakedness. I am Jehovah.
What part of genetics don't you understand?
Marrying cousins leads to all kinds of birth defects, learning disabilities and death.
Notated as sin or not this should NOT be done.
Anything deliberately leading to death or deformity is sin.
I think you are just looking for excuses to do whatever it is you want to do and you want the Bible to back you up for sinning.
You already know within your spirit what is right and wrong or you would not be asking such questions.
There is a metaphore about sin that goes... "If you have to ask if a shirt is clean, it's dirty."
I think you know the answer. Why risk salvation on a really bad choice.
Posted by: Bizca
If it's a HUGE sin why did cousins marry in the bible??
Isaac married Rebekkah, his first cousin once removed. Genesis24:12-51
Jacob married two of his cousins , Rachel & Leah. I love this story! Genesis chapters 28-29)
Zelophehad's five orphaned daughters were commanded by God to marry cousins. Numbers 36
Eleazar's daughters each married first cousins, as they were instructed. I Chronicles 23:22
In the 18th chapter of Leviticus, the Bible provides a lengthy list of forbidden relationships. These laws are the scriptural definition of sexual impurity. Not one mention of cousins, of any degree, is made.
Some would argue that these are all Old Testament references. That is correct. The reason for this is that the New Testament does not specifically address the rules of sexual misconduct, with the exception of fornication, other than to refer you back to the Old Testament laws.
Posted by: Bizca
Oh yeah on the birth defect issue..
Children of non-related couples have a 2-3% risk of birth defects, as opposed to first cousins having a 4-6% risk. Genetic counseling is available for those couples that may be at a special risk for birth defects (e.g. You have a defect that runs in your family) In plain terms first cousins have at a 94 percent + chance of having healthy children. The National Society of Genetic Counselors estimated the increased risk for first cousins is between 1.7 to 2.8 percent, or about the same a any woman over 40 years of age.
Current studies indicate that cousin couples have a lower ratio of miscarriages -- perhaps because body chemistry of cousins is more similar. The verdict is still out.
Posted by: akabezalel
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If it's a HUGE sin why did cousins marry in the bible??
There is no such thing as a huge sin or a small sin.
Sin is sin is sin is sin is sin........
By your reasoning of ignoring the Old Testament you cannot use cousins marrying in the OT as an example and you will not find an example in the New Testament.
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Oh and on the birth defect issue...
I speak from experience, my mother was the first person to marry outside of the family.
My Grandparents were 2nd cousins.
I have seen first hand the deformity, disability and death that happens when cousins marry.
My family was the subject of a case study at the Univ. of KS back in the 20-50s because EVERY boy was left handed and EVERY girl was right handed.
Why? The study came to the conclusion that the inter marrying made left handedness gender specific in our family.
My son is the first Right handed male in many generations.
My grand mother miscarried several pregnancies.
My mother miscarried 4 times and lost a set of severly deformed twins at 6 months gestation.
My brother is what they used to call 'developmentaly disabled' due to the genetics of cousins marrying.
My Uncle has a severly diabled daughter who will never be older than about 2-3 in her mind. Melody is now in her 40s.
Epilepsy is common in the cousins.
My sister has lost many pregnancies due to inhereted deformities and disabilities.
Her one daughter has lost several pregnancies as well.
It is not just the children of incest who suffer, the effects go for generations.
I thank God He was in my life when I was having children!
I had two healthy pregnancies and I have two children who are healthy and God alone cut the curse of generations from me and from them.
I know exactly what I am talking about, you can only spout the "facts" of people who do not see the generations who are affected by sin.
Posted by: Bizca
Then there is nothing in the New Testament about it???
Posted by: MamaCat
The Laws of God concerning sexual sin have not changed from OT to NT.
You're just having trouble because you want to follow your flesh and you think discussing it here, you'll somehow someway find a way to 'get away with it' or justify the behavior.
Sorry, it won't happen, so you might as well just go on and do what you want to do anyhow.
Posted by: The Anointed One
You Go AKABEZALEL! You GO MAMACAT!!! Y'all PREACHIN' UP IN HERE, and I concur with Y'ALL, in Jesus' name. Amen and Thank You Lord!
Posted by: akabezalel
I moved this post to the non-believers forum in order to protect the children who come to this site. Children are not allowed in this room.
Posted by: akabezalel
We cannot and will not pray for you to continue in fornication.
You may believe that God exists but you are not Believers.
You cannot possibly believe in Jesus and his Word and still desire to continue in sin, worse you are here trying to find justification for sin.
You will never find justification for fornication or perversion in the Bible, in Prayer or on this site.
The god you believe in is lust and desire of the flesh.
You want sex and you want it with a man who is closely related to you and you are willing to continue in sin to satisfy your god.
You are also willing to force your families to accept this perversion as well.
You have taken the role of a Jezebel to lead or force the innocent into sin and death.
Lev 18:6 "'None of you shall approach anyone who are close relatives, to uncover their nakedness: I am the LORD.
Act 15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
Act 15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well, Fare ye well.
Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.
Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
1Co 6:18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Eph 5:3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
Eph 5:4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
Eph 5:5 For this ye know, that no whore monger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
Eph 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
Eph 5:7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
1Th 4:3 For this is God's will, your sanctification, for you to abstain from fornication,
1Th 4:4 each one of you to know to possess his vessel in sanctification and honor,
1Th 4:5 not in passion of lust, even as also the nations do, not knowing God;
1Th 4:6 not to go beyond and to overreach his brother in the matter, because the avenger concerning all these is the Lord, even as we told you before, and solemnly testified.
Rev 2:20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
Rev 2:21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.
Rev 2:22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
Rev 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
Showing you the sin you stand in by your own admission is NOT judgment.
On the contrary it is compassion and love on the part of God that is allowing you to hear the truth before the wages of your sin are come to you.
Father, open her eyes to see the death she is causing by her choice. Let her see the viper that is waiting in the bed. Let her see the hounds of hell that are waiting to tear her when the permission is given. Show her Your Goodness and bring her to repentance. Bring her to Jesus. Lord, have Mercy on her and her cousin. In the Name of Jesus! AMEN!
Posted by: The Anointed One
Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, GLORY! Akabezalel, YOU'RE PREACHIN' GOOD UP IN HERE!
Strength to You in Jesus' Name,
The Anointed One
Posted by: pickone
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Originally Posted by Bizca
Then there is nothing in the New Testament about it???
John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
John 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
Now you know the whole matter. Your future will be determined by the decisions you make in this life, and maybe your children's as well.
Posted by: bill & alexis
Lisa, Hello there! I have read your struggle to justify your actions before the members of this site. No amount of "intellectual," or theologic, debate will sway the elect.
You may feel that you are being judged. Which is not true! We Love you just like anyone else! And because we love you, we will give you the absolute truth, on any matter - as revealed to us through the The Word, and the Holy Spirit.
We are not blinded by emotions, or physical ties, in this circumstance. If we are to truely walk in love, and gently restore our brothers and sisters back to the faith - we have to be credible in our integrity! And we are commanded to exhort you back into righteousness!
Ephesians 2:3 - Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
Their is no debate whether something is Old Testatment, or New Testament. God is the same - Yesterday, Today, and Forever! Paul mentions he would not have known sin, if he did not have the law. So by the Apostle Paul's own admission, the OT law STILL gives us guidance to what is morally right, and what is not.
Hebrews 13:8 - Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Romans 7:7 - What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
I hope you pray for the LORD to open your spiritual eyes. What is going on is sin, just like any other sin in this world.
This debate is truly over. If something is not mentioned in the NT, it usually indicates that circumstance as being such common knowledge - TO THE JEWS - that it was not even of merit to speak of such matters soo established! I am not judging you, I am looking at the actions you have brought forward. I am not part of a "Christian Gestapo," so the ultimate choice, and responsibility, will be yours...
Be in peace, and the may you have a very blessed day in the LORD!
Semper Fi! -Bill
Father God, thank YOU for Lisa! Thank YOU for the opportunity to share the truth about YOUR Word with her. Open her spiritual eyes LORD God! By Your Holy Spirit, place conviction on her heart! Lead her into righteousness, and give her rhema understanding of the purpose for Old Testament Law. In like manner radically touch, and affect her cousin, who is in this unclean relationship as well. Let our words of truth be like honey to her spirit. Rebuke the whispers of the enemy, who is telling her she is being judged! Bring the right man, and woman, into these two members of this families life. Show mercy, and compassion, on them. Raise-up the right people to overturn this law in Texas. Touch, and redeem the masses of people who have been affect by this unjust law - in Jesus name - Amen!
Posted by: Christian Commando
I've read over this particulart subject many times and have been prompted by God to share something for quite awhile, just never let it out. I shall now-
For any who would use Scriptures of God's Word way back in early times for man as in genesis to back up sinful actions such as near relation marriages, consider this then-
You'll find only in the earliest Books of God's Word where interfamily marriages happened. Why?
Because, man was so low in population back then, God had no prohibition against such things. But, later on, as man populated the earth more, notice God started speaking out against such things.
Realize, like back in Genesis, the only partner's Adfam and Eve's children had available for marriage at the time were brothers and sisters, cousins, etc. Since greater population happened, this was no longer necessary, thus, not acceptable anymore, for God knew the results of which Akabezalel and others have shared.
Thus, we must believe what God declares and stay out of such relationships now. It is, clearly against God as noted...
