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If God had killed the Israelites would he not have broken his promise to Abraham?

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Posted by: Frederik

This confuses me. In the OT God becomes angry at them after he led them from Egypt and then he wants to destroy them but Moses is able to change God's mind. But I don't understand how God could even want to do this since this would have meant that he would have broken his promise with Abraham, right?
Does this mean if Moses had not pleaded God would have broken his word?
I thought God could not even do this?!


Posted by: The Anointed One

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Originally Posted by Frederik
This confuses me. In the OT God becomes angry at them after he led them from Egypt and then he wants to destroy them but Moses is able to change God's mind. But I don't understand how God could even want to do this since this would have meant that he would have broken his promise with Abraham, right?
Does this mean if Moses had not pleaded God would have broken his word?
I thought God could not even do this?!

Frederik, give me the Chapter and verses that you read, and I'll explain it to you.


Posted by: Frederik

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Originally Posted by The Anointed One
Frederik, give me the Chapter and verses that you read, and I'll explain it to you.


I don't know where it is in the bible.
Somewhere in the OT.


Posted by: Christian Commando

Frederik- God was never going to destroy the Isrealites altogether during the Exodus. What He did tho, was prevent any originally living people of the Exodus, save what... two people, from entering Canaan?

the rest were all descendants of the originals of the Exodus. Remember, God promised anyway tho, He'd never try to destroy man again with a flood. He never once said He may not destroy him later on thru other means.

Now... God did declare He wanted to consume them yes, for thier wickness in turning away from Him- God. Yet, moses did remind God thru question about the oath with Abram God made, thus, God repented of His anger.

Still, I would never question God's actions, knowing they are always totally rightceous in nature and wisdom. after all, remember, God knows things you and I may never know. By the way, this can be found in Exodus chapter 32 I believe.

There is nothing confusing about it. God's Chosen people totally lost faith and patience in God because Moses was gone so long, plus the fact they kept forgetting, as men do, the miracles thier God had wraught all thru this Exodus to that point, and reverted to wanting to follow old Egyptian false gods again. Wouldn't you be alittle upset over that?

God bless!!


Posted by: Frederik

How can God who is perfect repent of something?


Posted by: Christian Commando

You forget easy my boy. "All things are possible in God". I actually see this twice from god towards man. 1- When He promises never to try and destroy them with another flood- (Rainbow as a sign of covenant for that), and 2- repenting of His rightceous anger over His children's falable stupidity during the Exodus.

Are you trying to limit God from repenting of His own rightceous anger when necessary? The big difference is, god admitted this to Moses and corrected Himself. He did not put it off on others like falable humans like to blame others.

God Bless!!


Posted by: Frederik

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Originally Posted by Christian Commando
You forget easy my boy. "All things are possible in God". I actually see this twice from god towards man. 1- When He promises never to try and destroy them with another flood- (Rainbow as a sign of covenant for that), and 2- repenting of His rightceous anger over His children's falable stupidity during the Exodus.

Are you trying to limit God from repenting of His own rightceous anger when necessary? The big difference is, god admitted this to Moses and corrected Himself. He did not put it off on others like falable humans like to blame others.

God Bless!!


But this sounds like God made a mistake and then realized it and repented.
But this cannot be. How can God make a mistake? He knows everything and this alone means that he cannot do something which is wrong since he already knows the result of it.


Posted by: Christian Commando

My boy- God did not make a mistake. Even He can be sorry He created something if causes way too much grief. Remember what He declared of Lucifer- "Thou wast perfect in the day thou wast created, until iniquity was found in thee."

See my point? God created Lucifer- a Cherub Angel, perfect there in His Domain. But, it was Lucifer, who became infatuated with God given Gifts and abilities. Thus, Lucifer sinned thru pride against god, thus god, even tho never intended to have to remove or reprimand any of his creations, had to, in order to keep peace and purity in his Domain.

It's the same with man. God created them perfect in the beginning. but, because He does not control them like puppets, man was allowed to make the choice of which way to follow.

But, like with Lucifer taking 1/3 of heavens angels with him against God, so too did God see His Chosen people start turning totally against Him. He could easily be rightceously sorry for creating man, and or choosing a particular group as His "First chosen" people.

thats why He reprimanded them as needed over time, to keep bringing them back to following Him. God has had alot more- perfect if you will, patience than we people will ever have, as we are not perfect.

My friend- even with having made the covenant with Abram, God still had, by that point, every "rightceous" right, to destroy them. Read the story of the Exodus and how God changed the attitude of Moses towards the people wondering why him, yet now he turns around and pleads with God himself, to keep the people alive.

Moses was not happy with the people to start with either. but his attitude changed thru God's inspiration, thus he was able to inspire God back, with the attitude God inspired Moses with first. Love, compassion and patience for the people.

God bless!!.


Posted by: Frederik

I cannot imagine how it has to be when you know everything.
I mean this must be very strange. Imagine you have a child and the child is totally nice but you know that one it'll try to kill you for example. Would you be able not to let this affect you? Would you still love the child as long as it's nice?


Posted by: Christian Commando

Dear Friend- Just the fact I'm not perfect, leaves me at the disadvantage of being unable to comprehend such a thing.

Well, I will say this tho- if being perfect and all knowing, all powerful and everywhere at once was me, I'd guess that yes, I could, since I'd know even tho they might try, they could never kill me.

These are some of the reasons we cannot fathom the way or the why God does answer our prayers different than we expect. If you loved something you created as much as God loves us, wouldn't you, knowing well ahead of time what was going to happen, want to guide and prod your creation so they will learn without real harm, tho it may try thier patience etc?

Be a good lesson don't you think? besides they might just remember it for future reference for similar situations?

But god, the loving creator He is, has given each individual the right to choose wether to belong to Him or not and let Him lead, guide, watch over, protect and Bless or chastise us. After all, God declares his children are to love chastisement.

Why? We learn and grow from a loving Father keeping us on the right track.

God Bless Frederik!!


Posted by: Frederik

Okay.