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Captured by Tongues

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Posted by: Illuminate

Hello once again everyone. I wanted to share this personal email from someone that I admire and has taught me many awesome things about God. Pastor ---was one of the people that helped me draw close to God at a very trying time in my life and I am very grateful knowing him. However, we do have different views in certain things, very little though, but nonetheless, we do. IN any case, I would like some honest feedback about the subject," captured by tongues." I believe a true christian believer should not become offended if someone corrects them, in fact, just knowing the Word of God should excite us, quoted by a great sermon given this past Wednesday at our church with an awesome pastor....

Please let me know what you think. God bless all.

Illuminate



Loreena,

I guess you did read the booklet. As your Spiritual Father I want to encourage you to reread the booklet. Loreena, if God wants me to speak in tongues while I am singing and praying I want to do it. I simply do not see it in Scripture. I am filled with the Holy Spirit and believe in miracles but I am told to always pray with the understanding. Never just ramble on.

Acts 2,
Acts 10
Acts 19

All deal with the genuine gift of talking in tongues which was authentic languages which people understood.

The false tongues is in 1 Corinthians 14.

Could you give me ONE Scripture that says we should pray words we do not understand?

Why do not Seventh-day Adventist speak in tongues? Remember the Holy Spirit and the truth must go together.

The truth is the Charismatics are by and large trampling on God's Ten Commandments and many other Bible teachings while claiming to have the baptism of the Holy Spirit. We are to test the spirits to see if it is from God. The only standard by which we test is the Word of God. Therefore, we can be SINCERELY deceived even if we have good intentions and desire to follow God if we believe lies of Satan.

Jesus nor the Apostles ever told us to speak gibberish. You also will not find being slain in the Spirit promoted in the Bible.

Loreena, I have attended Charismatic meetings in the past and I have met many many of them and I believe they love the Lord and desire to follow him but they are greatly deceived in regard to the operation of the Holy Spirit.

Revelation 18:1-4 makes it clear that some of God's people are in Babylon a place of confusion. Well what is this so called tongues? A CONFUSED language. You don't understand what you are saying and neither do the Angels nor God. Because it is nothing more than religious gibberish.

God's true people have come out of Babylon and are spotlighted in Revelation 12:17. The Remnant keep all the Commandments including the Sabbath. They also take the messages of Revelation 14:6-12 to all the world before Jesus comes again.

The Charismatics are not doing this by and large. There is only one church that is doing it. God is not the author of confusion. 1 Cor. 14:33. We must compare everything to the Law and Testimony of God's Word. See Isaiah 8:19,20.

Loreena, Satan comes in like an angel of light, under a Christian pretense and many are misled by his subtlety. I care for you as my friend in Christ and I warn you in Christ's name to RUN FROM THIS FALSE TONGUES!

There is another book on Amazing Facts site to check out.

In Christ's Compassion,

Pastor _________


Posted by: MamaCat

He's obviously a false teacher who has a spirit of antichrist.

He is also blaspheming the Holy Spirit by calling tongues 'gibberish'.

I would not want to be in his shoes!!

Pray for God to wake him up, to reveal the truth to him in whatever way He deems best. He needs to be gotten through to.

If he is a Seventh Day Adventist, he's in a cult. This would explain a lot.


Posted by: Christian Commando

Well... I wouldn't exactly say I Cor. 14 is speaking about any "false tongues". Notice the Scriptures speak of someone prompted to Prophecy to hold it if no one is present to interpret It. As Paul declares, it profits no one to allow open Prophecy by the Holy Spirit in tongues if no interpreter is present to interprete it. as it offers no understanding for what is given in edification of the "Body".

Secondly- Seventh Day adventists are not a cult. Like all other Christian Religions, they have thier varied beliefs of what scripture means thru thier version of interpretation.

Now, there are several other christian religions that do not believe in the special Gifts" given to the "Body of Christ" by the Holy Spirit. they are not the only one. Others may believe in only certain "Gifts", while still others do believe in all of them.

The "Gift of tongues" that need to be interpreted is clearly not, according to God, a confusion or confusing form of tongues. God, thru Paul, declares it a type of Angelic language not known to man, as of course, we don't live in the spirit realm.

Also, it's pretty hard to claim we are in the midst of whats happening in Revelation, since the only part that still fits us now, would be chapters 1-4, since the church is still on the earth there yet, but after that, there is no reference of the church being on earth but actually in Heaven, after the call to John to- "come up hither".

the problem alot of religions have with the "Gifts" of the Holy Spirit is trying to get them to fit with God somehow, when spiritualized, symbolized or figuratized, etc.

For instance, augustine of the 5th century era of teaching, taught a spiritualized version which tried to claim Isreal the church and the Church Isreal. This mean't Gentiles and all. Makes it pretty tough where god has specific Scriptures relating only to Isreal as in- "Jacob's Trouble" and people being killed in synagoges. Both directly related to Isreal and Jewish culture alone.

Just my observations of religious studies over the years. God Bless!!


Posted by: MamaCat

Gee, what happened to all my information???


Posted by: Illuminate

Quote:
Originally Posted by Christian Commando
Well... I wouldn't exactly say I Cor. 14 is speaking about any "false tongues". Notice the Scriptures speak of someone prompted to Prophecy to hold it if no one is present to interpret It. As Paul declares, it profits no one to allow open Prophecy by the Holy Spirit in tongues if no interpreter is present to interprete it. as it offers no understanding for what is given in edification of the "Body".

Secondly- Seventh Day adventists are not a cult. Like all other Christian Religions, they have thier varied beliefs of what scripture means thru thier version of interpretation.

Now, there are several other christian religions that do not believe in the special Gifts" given to the "Body of Christ" by the Holy Spirit. they are not the only one. Others may believe in only certain "Gifts", while still others do believe in all of them.


The "Gift of tongues" that need to be interpreted is clearly not, according to God, a confusion or confusing form of tongues. God, thru Paul, declares it a type of Angelic language not known to man, as of course, we don't live in the spirit realm.

Also, it's pretty hard to claim we are in the midst of whats happening in Revelation, since the only part that still fits us now, would be chapters 1-4, since the church is still on the earth there yet, but after that, there is no reference of the church being on earth but actually in Heaven, after the call to John to- "come up hither".

the problem alot of religions have with the "Gifts" of the Holy Spirit is trying to get them to fit with God somehow, when spiritualized, symbolized or figuratized, etc.

For instance, augustine of the 5th century era of teaching, taught a spiritualized version which tried to claim Isreal the church and the Church Isreal. This mean't Gentiles and all. Makes it pretty tough where god has specific Scriptures relating only to Isreal as in- "Jacob's Trouble" and people being killed in synagoges. Both directly related to Isreal and Jewish culture alone.

Just my observations of religious studies over the years. God Bless!!


Thank you for your well thought out responses. I sense a very compassionate person when reading your replies. And I am always thankful for your meticulous selection with Words.

God bless you always,

Illuminate


Posted by: Illuminate

Quote:
Originally Posted by MamaCat
He's obviously a false teacher who has a spirit of antichrist.

He is also blaspheming the Holy Spirit by calling tongues 'gibberish'.

I would not want to be in his shoes!!

Pray for God to wake him up, to reveal the truth to him in whatever way He deems best. He needs to be gotten through to.

If he is a Seventh Day Adventist, he's in a cult. This would explain a lot.


I know you mean well but you must try and think like Jesus. He was compassiate and loving with His Words when asked questions that needed some answers. Seventh Day Adventists are not cults. They are very caring and genuine people that I have had the blessed fortune to have meant and been a member of their congregation for 2 years now. All denominations, including Catholics, SDA, Baptist, etc...have their own set of rules but they all seek the same true God. I for one, do not follow any rules and simply go by the Holy Bible and the leading of the Holy Spirit. God is an awesome God. He will give wisdom, guidance and protection to all of us, therefore, He will correct us if we are doing something out of ignorance. But we mustn't get too emotionally involved when answering an innocent question. We are all here to learn the Word and the Word should not offend any good Christian, it should excite us and enjoy teaching others in a compassionate way, just like Jesus. Keep in mind, we are here on earth to be Christlike....

Finally, thank you for always trying your best to answer my questions. I sincerely appreciate every reply. May the Lord always give you wisdom and guidance, and last but not least, many blessings to bless others.

God bless U...

Illuminate


Posted by: MamaCat

I apologize if my words sounded harsh. I'm just very straight forward with what I believe to be true. Sorry, but I still believe SDAs are a cult. I put tons of information that I had gathered, taken directly from the SDA's own literature and the comparison to the Bible and posted it here shortly after the thread began. The post was deleted soon after.

I am sure they are wonderful people. So are Mormons. So are JWs. Hell is full of wonderful people who thought they had the truth, who thought they were born again. Please just be totally sure you are truly born again and read the SDA doctrines and beliefs thoroughly and ask the LORD to show you if you are where He wants you to be. Your eternal life depends on it.

Love and blessings!


Posted by: FullofHope

I was intrigued by the part this person wrote regarding the scripture not refering to being slain in the spirit. There's no wordage for "slain in the Spirit" in the Bible, that's true.. but there are many references to individuals falling under the power of God.
Take a look at Daniel 10:10-11

“And, behold, an hand touched me, which set me upon my knees and upon the palms of my hands. And he said unto me, O Daniel, a man greatly beloved, understand the words that I speak unto thee, and stand upright: for unto thee am I now sent. And when he had spoken this word unto me, I stood trembling.”

The power was so mighty on Daniel that he fell forward onto his hands & knees & then shook under God's presence. There are many other scriptures which show people falling due to the presence of God. Personally, I've never 'fallen out'.. but I won't dismiss what God does with others just because it's not happened to me. God is God - May He do as He so wishes. Thank You Lord for Your love.

Be blessed!


Posted by: Christian Commando

Illuminate-

Fullofhope is right. As True Children of God, let us remember some of the terminology we may use today, differs from explainations used by Biblical figures of events, Concepts and more from God to and on his children.

Being "Slain in the Spirit" is the same as what happened to Daniel. another is with Samson when slew the 1,000 philestines that time and there are others. Remember the people king Saul sent to kill David, who changed dramatically after crossing the boundary God set for them.

We also call the "Law" of God- Bible, of which you don't find the word in Scripture. I never hold anything people say against such beliefs, as they have been taught in ignorance, as in this case. Paul even declares the "Gift" of tongues is an Angelic language, thus it is not gibberish.nonbelievers think the Bible is not true and God's True children all are nuts.

They do it out of ignorance, not having been or accepted if had the chance, the enlightenment of the Holy Spirit.

All people, including Angels, good or bad, have the original good God created in them since conception or creation of them. But, it is up to each one to decide which way of thinking they will accept. If God didn't give Lucifer and his fallen Angels time for a chance to repent and come back, God would've locked them up for good long before this.

as a result, with satan and his followers allowed to influence man as God is allowed to, we each then make the choice of what to believe. God's word is clear for what It says and teaches us. but, according to how we are taught to believe It, is how we will then share it with others.

God declares his Word was with Him and in Him since the beginning and was Him, made manifest in the flesh. He declares even an unsaved can understand the literal written meaning of His Word. It is the Spiritual understanding they cannot, without the Holy Spirit to show this.

This is why God commands us to read and learn His Word, to show ourselves approved in rightly dividing the Truth from false doctrines.

Just keep in mind, when the Great judgemnt Day of God comes, all things hidden and open shall be revealed and then all will learn the Truth of satan's deceptions. Trust me, we all shall have some things we are wrong about that will be revealed. no one will be exempt.

God Bless all!!