I've been reading about Jehova's witnesses and working on
writing a short article about religions. Though I dont follow any
traditional form of religion only a savior God.
I noticed the septuigent only mentioned Sheoles(sp?) and Hades,
in the Old Testiment. They arent mentioned as places of torment.
I noticed in the newer bible translations the word Hell increases
more and more, especially in the new testiment.
Is there historic evidence of the septuigent of Hell? Where?
Its in the Bible, but before these translations where did the word
and definition come from? I know the Septuigent is Old Testiment,
but whats the new testiment? Not the dead sea scrolls, where were
they taken from? Can we go back in history of translation of the
New Testament and see if they spoke of Hell, or a place of torment?
TY
Posted by: MarkSentMe
While reading about Jehovah's Witnesses, did you find the parts about that religion being a cult? ANY religion that does not have the Bible as its center, that takes its doctrines and practices from anything other than the Bible, that relies on other books which differ from the inerrant Word of God- BEWARE!
I have several Bibles in my home. I have a study Bible and a Catholic Bible. Septuigent does NOT appear in any of my Bibles. Not in the King James version, nor the New American Standard, nor the Revised Standard Version, the New Life Version or the Catholic Bible. Which brings me to question where you found this term and in what context? I found the term "Septuagint" in Webster's Dictionary-
Septuagint (Sep` too e jint`) [ septuaginta, seventy: because of the ancient tradition that it was completed in 70 (or 72) days by 72 Palestinian Jews for Ptolemy II of Egypt] a translation into Greek of the Hebrew Scriptures made several centuries BC
This definition is inert. It neither supports nor denies anything in the Bible. The definition does not say which Scriptures were translated nor whether those Scriptures were the inspired Word of God or if they were books that went on to become the Torah.
Beware of your statement "I dont follow any traditional form of religion only a savior God." I, too, went with that ideaology for years. And when my "faith" was tested, I became an atheist. God commands us to fellowship. Jesus says,"I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." (John 14:6)
"For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." (Romans 3:23)
"For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Jesus Christ our Lord." (Romans 6:23) "death" in the Bible means eternal separation from God, in other words- Hell.
Jesus replied "I assure you: Unless someone is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."
"If you confess with your mouth "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. With the heart one believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses, resulting in salvation. Now the Scripture says, No one who believes on Him will be put to shame." (Romans 10:9-11)
"And He died for all so that those who live should no longer live for themselves, but for the One who died for them and was raised" (2 Corinthians 5:15)
"For God so loved the world in this way: He gave His One and Only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish but have everlasting life" (John 3:16) Feel fee to substitute YOUR NAME for "the world".
Don't be misled by man-made religions. And don't go with the false sense of security that "believing in God" is sufficient. Satan believes in God! Satan is eternally forever separated from God.
Have a blessed day!
Dear God,
Thank You for the opportunity to share Your Word with lostseed. May lostseed seek the Truth of Your Word. May the Holy Spirit convict his/her heart and may lostseed come to a saving knowledge of Your Son Jesus Christ. Please send an angel to guide lostseed and to witness to him/her and to share Your Word. May lostseed reject the false teachings of man-made religions and come to know that You are the Truth and that without Jesus, we are nothing! Thank You, Lord. In Jesus' Name I Pray. Amen.
Sharyn
Posted by: MarkSentMe
Isaiah 33:14 states: "Sinners in Zion are terrified: Trembling has seized the godless. "Who among us can live with the consuming fire? Who among us can live with continual burning?"
Isaiah is in the Old Testament.
"For Topheth has long been ready. Indeed it has been prepared for the king. He has made it deep and large, A pyre of fire with plenty of wood; The breath of the Lord, like a torrent of brimstone, sets it afire" (Isaiah 30:33)
"The wicked will return to Sheol, Even all the nations that forget God." (Psalm 9:17)
Be no doubt, Hell is real and Satan doing a very brisk business!!
Posted by: christythompson
Jesse
I do not recommend any study outside the word of God
Just as you read a book about demons to overcome them
why would you open the door for them to come back in?
You are putting garbage in and will currupt your person.
Jesse I don't know what you are seeking
But God is enough
His word is enough and as Jesus said on the cross
It is finished
Posted by: lostseed
Thank you all for your comments I appreciate it
I see that is true, I should focus on God rather than be distracted by
other meaningless traditional rituals and man-made beliefs;
Phi 4:8 Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things.
I guess it just bothered me that I would say Im a Christian, yes I do
believe in fellowship - and Christian is not mentioned in the Bible, then
classified under Christian are a mass amount of denominations. I mean,
Im not really into all the strict rules not to put aside obedience to God
I do believe I have fair discernment between right and wrong and I do
struggle with things..
I think I was just looking to provide facts not for myself, but for others;
to show them all these other religions with added words and misplaced
words in the Bible are not correct and providing why.
Though we believe in the Bible.. Well I cant argue I have too much behind
my belt that shows Gods reality in my life, but I guess it'd be hard for an
unbeliever to accept the Bible as the true word of God..
I think Im more concerned about my project or mission than I am about
the cause lately.. I've gotta change that. Thanks for your comments
Posted by: PMB
hell sheol Gehenna/Hell hebrew meaning
lwaX S**'owl sheol, underworld, grave, hell, pit
the underworld
Sheol - the OT designation for the abode of the dead
derived from the Saxon helan, to cover; hence the covered or the invisible place. In Scripture there are three words so rendered:
Sheol, occurring in the Old Testament sixty-five times. This word sheol is derived from a root-word meaning "to ask," "demand;" hence insatiableness (Proverbs 30:15,16). It is rendered "grave" thirty-one times (Genesis 37:35; 42:38; 44:29,31; 1 Samuel 2:6, etc.). The Revisers have retained this rendering in the historical books with the original word in the margin, while in the poetical books they have reversed this rule.
In thirty-one cases in the Authorized Version this word is rendered "hell," the place of disembodied spirits. The inhabitants of sheol are "the congregation of the dead" (Proverbs 21:16). It is (a) the abode of the wicked (Numbers 16:33; Job 24:19; Psalms 9:17; 31:17, etc.); (b) of the good (Psalms 16:10; 30:3; 49:15; 86:13, etc.).
The righteous and the wicked are separated. The blessed dead are in that part of hades called paradise (Luke 23:43). They are also said to be in Abraham's bosom (Luke 16:22).
Gehenna, in most of its occurrences in the Greek New Testament, designates the place of the lost (Matthew 23:33). The fearful nature of their condition there is described in various figurative expressions (Matthew 8:12; 13:42; 22:13; 25:30; Luke 16:24, etc.). (See HINNOM
Posted by: MarkSentMe
Quote:
I guess it just bothered me that I would say Im a Christian, yes I do believe in fellowship - and Christian is not mentioned in the Bible
Here are a few:
"And Agrippa replied to Paul, "In short time you will persuade me to become a Christian" (Acts 26:28)
"and when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. And it came about that for an entire year they met with the church, and taught considerable numbers; and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch." (Acts 11:26)
"but if anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not feel ashamed, but in that name let him glorify God." (1 Peter 4:16)
Posted by: MarkSentMe
Our church is holding a class called "Share Jesus Without Fear"; it's an evangelism and witnessing class. You walk people through the Bible, allowing God's Word to speak for itself. You do not have to try to "sell" God or religion, instead, the Holy Spirit convicts their hearts. You do not have to memorize Scripture or give lengthy testimony. You pretty much are in the page-turning business as you walk them through the Bible and they read aloud the Word.
You can purchase the book at any Christian bookstore, like LifeWay.
Posted by: Christian Commando
One major proven system of translations of Biblical Hebrew and Greek I like are the Jewish Encyclopedias called- "Judaica", of the Bible. They show in there the name used for Hell of Old Test. had two compartments. One of torment, the other of comfort. Why?
Because animal sacrifice did not take away sin, but only covered it. After Christ died and rose to overcome death by sin, we no longer were seperated from God at death if belonged to Him.
God also declares Hell is a place of torment in many Scriptures Old and New Test as well as originally only created for satan and his demons, but enlarged to take lost souls of people, after man's fall from Grace with God.
With "traditions", you are right. Christ spoke against following "traditions of men". But, where books are concerned helping people learn how to share God and His Gospel with others, there are some good ones out there.
They don't do it word for word per testimony, but give general outlines for sharing a testimony that helps someone less able to open casual conversations to lead to that.
After all, how did God give man His word to be spread around this world? Thru people.
Thus, god can use others to help people learn how to start conversations leading to testimonies and the ultimate question and possible salvation of a soul to God, thru Christ and by the Holy spirit.
Posted by: lostseed
Thank you commando,
I thank God for these forums they are so helpfull.
Posted by: Christian Commando
lostseed-
All the answers given above are very, very good, when kept in context. Learning and believing God's Truth, particularly in today's world is very tough, with so many other false doctrines being taught out there.
Tho God speaks of this era of christianity being one of faith in God, God has still provided alot of proof to believe His Word is True and He is real, if people take the time to check it out.
I was a "doubting Thomas" years ago and needed proof to know His Word was True and God was real. For the times then, He provided that proof to me. Since then, there is much more.
Thus, I never claim we must only take His Word on faith anymore, tho that was the point of fact after Christ left earth. But, we have too much physical proof we can use to back up God's Word.
His Word must always be the focal point, with proof known to us used to back It up.After all, God speaks of a multitude of interactions between His Chosen and other races, of which evidence has been physically found, to prove those races lived and many a city refered to found as well as other artifacts, writings and more.
It just takes time. Plus, realize, even the secular world will not accept God's Word true based on this evidence. Thus, "faith" is still a major factor, even tho some argue that when dealing with evidence. Thus, it is still a "faith" based belief, even with the evidence.
