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Posted by: Frederik

I don't get these 2 things together maybe somebody could help me, this would be cool.

Rom 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

Paul complains that he sins even though he doesn't want to and he doesn't do the things he want to. Does this mean that he cannot even not sin? If this is correct then is he responsible for the sins which he doesn't even though he doesn't want to? Does this mean that there are sins which we cannot even resist?
But if we cannot resist then how can we be responsible for them? There are sins which can easily be avoided for example stealing. If I don't want to steal I also don't have to. There is no urge in me which makes me steal something. But there are other sins which are much harder to avoid, which are of a totally different category. For example thinking bad of somebody or getting angry and such things. These things are sometimes almost impossible to avoid.


Posted by: Christian Commando

Dear Frederik-

The Apostle Paul is striving to show how strong the battle is, even for him, greatest of the apostles, the stuggle of the spirit against the flesh is- carnal against the spiritual natures.

Thats why, tho you did not mention the Scriptures, Paul worked to keep his mind and body under subjection to avoid falling into sin.

Paul saught God to remove a "thorn of the flesh" from him 3 times. But, God finally told him, His- God's, Grace was sufficient for him. In other words, God told him to rely on God more than trying to resist on his own to overcome sucoming to sin.

God may have declared He'll never let any of His Children have to handle more than they can bear, but He also declares that we should count it all joy when we fall unto diverse temptations, that the trying of our faith, works patience-(builds it).

This patience, is the result of seeking God's help and waiting on His time and purpose of this help to deliver us as needed or necessary, while staying in His Word of which He may provide the answer thru.

God Bless!!


Posted by: Frederik

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Originally Posted by Christian Commando

God may have declared He'll never let any of His Children have to handle more than they can bear, but He also declares that we should count it all joy when we fall unto diverse temptations, that the trying of our faith, works patience-(builds it).


Does this mean we shall be happy when we sin?


Posted by: Christian Commando

Nope. Not at sinning, but at being tryed or tempted. Knowing we are learning to lean on God more to overcome trials satan puts us thru. So, instead of getting depressed over a trial or tribulation, God wants us to stay joyful. Knowing- Greater is He that is in you, than he who is of the world.

God Bless!!


Posted by: MarkSentMe

Frederik, you need to turn the page and keep reading!

"There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin. He condemned sin in the flesh." (Romans 8:1-3)

HALLELUJAH! AMEN!! IT IS FINISHED!

Ain't God Great??!!


Posted by: Christian Commando

God Bless you Sis. Much more to the point and elequent than I made it. You clarified that which I could not.

God Bless!!


Posted by: Frederik

But when I sin I'm angry at myself and also disappointed. If I was not angry or disappointed at myself wouldn't it be alarming?


Posted by: Christian Commando

Depends my friend.

Alot of God's Children, probably myself included, do not realize we are sinning even if unintentionally because we are so used to some kind of it, we don't recognize or realize it and it usaully takes God to bring this up before each of us as needed or necessary, to change it.

I would suggest it would be more alarming to be sinning in a detrimental way to others in some fashion, than in doing sin against yourself. All sin is against God, thus theres no question on that. But, sin that is against yourself only hurts you and your relationship with God. Sin against others, not only hurts the other(s) and God, but also you, and possibly others in a domino effect.

There are many a Christian, more than you and I know for sure, who sin possibly daily in ways they and we don't recognize or are so use to we don't think about it. Thus, it's not supprising to find we won't be angry or disappointed in ourselves or angry at ourselves sometimes. It's the "born in sin nature" that we must overcome, which is impossible without the spirit of God to help touch our hearts and minds about it.

God Bless!!


Posted by: GODS Grace

Hello Christian Commando,
My pastor shared this thought with me in a private conversation. It has help me. I wanted to pass it along since it goes along with what you said in your last statement.

(Copy)I would suggest it would be more alarming to be sinning in a detrimental way to others in some fashion, than in doing sin against yourself. All sin is against God, thus theres no question on that. But, sin that is against yourself only hurts you and your relationship with God. Sin against others, not only hurts the other(s) and God, but also you, and possibly others in a domino effect.(copy)


When there is an area in which He is unclear, he says," I choose to error on the side of love."

I have found it to be good advice. Blessings!!!...Grace


Posted by: Christian Commando

Bless you God's Grace!! Wonderful wonderful advice.

God looks at the moral side of thinking and actions more, as that is the root of all. Or Christ would not have proven that in the sermon on the Mount.

The point? If God sees it as screwing up, but for rightceous reasons, it is less sinful I suggest. For the fact, a person had done it to help, not hurt.

Thanks again- God bless!!


Posted by: Chimbamu

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Originally Posted by Frederik
I don't get these 2 things together maybe somebody could help me, this would be cool.

Rom 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

Paul complains that he sins even though he doesn't want to and he doesn't do the things he want to. Does this mean that he cannot even not sin? If this is correct then is he responsible for the sins which he doesn't even though he doesn't want to? Does this mean that there are sins which we cannot even resist?
But if we cannot resist then how can we be responsible for them? There are sins which can easily be avoided for example stealing. If I don't want to steal I also don't have to. There is no urge in me which makes me steal something. But there are other sins which are much harder to avoid, which are of a totally different category. For example thinking bad of somebody or getting angry and such things. These things are sometimes almost impossible to avoid.


I stepped into the book of Jude this morning as i entered the prayerboard, and i read it all. very scary. it is difficult especially when we all need to live with other living beings who think independently of us. We cannot control what they think or say of us, no. The only one who knows about our struggles and how much we try, is God!

When i am out of prayer even for an hour something drastic happens, and i realise its because i lost connection. When i am in communion with the Lord every minute, praying even when i am talking, walking or working, i find resolve. Shall we then decide to keep away from everyone so that we dont see or hear anyone but ourselves? And keep clean and pure?

Prayer and Spiritual Growth, i think is an on-going walk, a struggle to keep focused, even when one gets angry, thinks angry thoughts one must remain in the Holy Spirit, giving him everything, all our thoughts becoming His. When one is angry, should they just speak the truth, and then maintain silence?

The most important thing is "Don't quit!"

"Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeeding joy. To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and forever. Amen"


Posted by: Christian Commando

Good insight Chimbamu.

As has been refered to before. Always, situations in relating to others, should always be done in love. After all, even the truth can hurt, but, as Paul declared by the Holy Spirit, if not done in love, it is worthless.

God bless!!