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Are we only forgiven if we confess all our sins???

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Posted by: Frederik

I have an important question. I just argued with somebody on the net who says that Jesus' sacrifice was only for our unconscious sins but if we sin consciously then we are ONLY forgiven if we ask for forgiveness. This means if I sin consciously and do not ask for forgiveness and die then I will go to hell. Is this true?
He said 1.John 1,9 means that we are ONLY forgiven if we ask for it. If this was true then heaven or hell would be depending on wether we have really confessed all the sins we did, this seems ridiculous to me.
But if I consciously sin am I unforgiven until I confess the sin?


Posted by: Remnant7

My personal feelings have always been along this same line. There are many Christians who think they can do whatever they want because they say they are Christians and will be forgiven whatever they do, even if they are knowingly sinning. That is not biblical. However, this is an area where if you know something is sin and you do it, then you are accountable. Whether it sends you to hell? Can't this be where God judges the heart? There are different degrees of reward for our lives, might we lose the better reward? We all sin, but to knowingly, callously continue in sin isn't that the lukewarm position God says he'll spew out of His mouth in Revelations? I would say... be very careful with this area. I don't know that anyone can answer this one exact way for everyone... that is why God is God. But to put your salvation in jeopardy isn't a smart way to find out.


Posted by: GODS Grace

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Originally Posted by Frederik
I have an important question. I just argued with somebody on the net who says that Jesus' sacrifice was only for our unconscious sins but if we sin consciously then we are ONLY forgiven if we ask for forgiveness. This means if I sin consciously and do not ask for forgiveness and die then I will go to hell. Is this true?
He said 1.John 1,9 means that we are ONLY forgiven if we ask for it. If this was true then heaven or hell would be depending on wether we have really confessed all the sins we did, this seems ridiculous to me.
But if I consciously sin am I unforgiven until I confess the sin?

Dear Frederik,
This morning as I was praying you had been on my heart. I asked God for the true Grace of God to be make real in your life. I do not know why God had me pray that prayer?
People understand God's Grace as "being a free gift from God" but it is much more,
Grace is also God's enabling power working in our lives.
Blessings Frederik!!!


Posted by: Frederik

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Originally Posted by GODS Grace
Dear Frederik,
This morning as I was praying you had been on my heart. I asked God for the true Grace of God to be make real in your life. I do not know why God had me pray that prayer?
People understand God's Grace as "being a free gift from God" but it is much more,
Grace is also God's enabling power working in our lives.
Blessings Frederik!!!


Thank you Grace,


Posted by: Frederik

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Originally Posted by Remnant7
My personal feelings have always been along this same line. There are many Christians who think they can do whatever they want because they say they are Christians and will be forgiven whatever they do, even if they are knowingly sinning. That is not biblical. However, this is an area where if you know something is sin and you do it, then you are accountable. Whether it sends you to hell? Can't this be where God judges the heart? There are different degrees of reward for our lives, might we lose the better reward? We all sin, but to knowingly, callously continue in sin isn't that the lukewarm position God says he'll spew out of His mouth in Revelations? I would say... be very careful with this area. I don't know that anyone can answer this one exact way for everyone... that is why God is God. But to put your salvation in jeopardy isn't a smart way to find out.


I would say what you are talking about is rebellion. But I don't think that a rebellious christian is directly lost.

But what if you want to stop sinning and simply don't make it? This is not the same as callously sinning.

And do we not all knowingly sin? In most cases when we sin we know that this is a sin, but we still do it, don't we? At least for me that's true.


Posted by: akabezalel

A 'rebellious Christian' is an oxymoron.

When you enter rebellion you are turning away from God and entering witchcraft.

You lose your Salvation.

Jesus died to make a way for God to forgive our sin. All sin.

There is no such thing as 'unconscious sin'.

Asking God to forgive us is for us.

We need to know that we have sinned and we do need forgiveness and when we confess them to Him we are in effect cleansing our hearts as He forgives.

That is why sometimes we do not feel like He can forgive us, because we cannot forgive ourselves.


Posted by: Frederik

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Originally Posted by akabezalel
A 'rebellious Christian' is an oxymoron.

When you enter rebellion you are turning away from God and entering witchcraft.

You lose your Salvation.


Oh please.
This is completely wrong.
A christian can very well have a rebellious phase without directly losing his salvation. Do you think once a christian has a rebellious time he gets unborn? Oh boy...


Posted by: Christian Commando

Dear boy-

What Akabezalel said is true, if it is a point of no turning back for a Christian. They can then remove Salvation of thier own accord. Yet you are right to realize all Christian's do have a rebellious carnal nature that can be quite stubborn to change at times.

But, Christ's death on the cross and going to Hell for 3 days and nites does not cover our sin outside of that for the body and spirit. For sins we think and do even after recieving Salvation, we still must confess to God and seek forgiveness for them, as this is an ongoing, not a one time thing as was the curse of sin unto death man brought on first.

God Bless!! (BTW- this does not mean they will go to Hell for it, but lose treasures stored up as clearly shown by Paul).


Posted by: Frederik

So you are saying if you only have 1 sin unconfessed which you might have forgotten or which you might not even have been aware of you go to hell?


Posted by: Christian Commando

No- you won't go to Hell as a past Christian, unless you turn totally awy from God as He declares- a "falling away from the faith".

God Bless!!


Posted by: Frederik

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Originally Posted by Christian Commando
No- you won't go to Hell as a past Christian, unless you turn totally awy from God as He declares- a "falling away from the faith".

God Bless!!


But you said this here:

For sins we think and do even after recieving Salvation, we still must confess to God and seek forgiveness for them, as this is an ongoing, not a one time thing as was the curse of sin unto death man brought on first.

This sounds like if you do not ask for forgiveness you also don't have it.


Posted by: GODS Grace

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Originally Posted by Frederik
Oh please.
This is completely wrong.
A christian can very well have a rebellious phase without directly losing his salvation. Do you think once a christian has a rebellious time he gets unborn? Oh boy...
I challenge you to make sure you are clear in your definition of "rebellion" and "sin". The bible says that we are all sinners or have missed God's perfect mark. A rebellious person chooses to live in repetitive sin without desiring to change. The rebellious person must ask him or herself, "What am i rebelling against?"
Man looks on the outward appearance, but God looks on the heart (motive).
Are there areas in your life (or flesh) that you know your missing God's perfect mark? It's so for all Christians. Anytime our focus is on us alone, instead of the finished work of the cross of Christ we are hopeless. As a teenager I was adopted. For me that meant that the constant threats of being sent back to the children's shelter end that day because I no longer belonged to the state. As Christians, Gods word tells us "sin no longer has authority, control, or power to govern me." I choose to give myself completely over to the authority of God. He does not "love" me in pieces, but except all of me as a work in progress. The package deal He received comes with the "good" and "bad".
Fredrieck, Is there an area that you are choosing to live in continual outright rebellion, and if so then why?

With Love, Grace


Posted by: Christian Commando

Very well put God's Grace!! Thats exactly it. Plus the fact, God judges on motives, not just actions. (Check out the Sermon on the Mount by Christ).

God Bless!!


Posted by: Frederik

I am not choosing to live in rebellion but I think every person has rebellious aspects. I also notice it that sometimes I think in a rebellious manner, that's the flesh I guess.

Anyway, but I do not think that a christian who has a rebellious phase is directly lost. If a christian for example is angry and then gets drunk every day then he doesn't directly become lost, this is nonsense. You also have to look at the reason why he does this. God always tries to reach out to us.


Posted by: Christian Commando

You hit that on the nose Frederik.

God knows each person's motives even better than we know ourselves. thus, He will judge rightceously, where you and I cannot. And God will try to reach out and bring us out of temptations we cannot resist on our own.

God Bless!!(BTW- as noted before tho too. A Christian will not lose Salvation for unrepented sins. Tho as God shows, they will los stored up treasures).


Posted by: carls

"But, Christ's death on the cross and going to Hell for 3 days and nites does not cover our sin outside of that for the body and spirit.


Are you denying the sufficency of the cross with this statement? Where is it written that Jesus went to Hell? Contra is the statement "Surely today you will be with me in paradise" Sure doesn't sound like a trip to Hell to me.
When Christ died it was for the attonement of our SINS, the ultimate price was paid. All sins. There is no difference between Knowing and unknowing sin.


Posted by: Christian Commando

Carls-

Read in Corinthians where God shows His Children, having works that are not of him, will burn and we will lost treasures in Heaven.

This shows, while Christ's death on the cross and going to Hell covered our physical bodies and spirit for sin, it had not covered us for future sinning beyond that. If did, we would not need to be rpentant or seek forgiveness, as it would automatically be covered. But... it is not.

God Bless!!


Posted by: Frederik

If did, we would not need to be rpentant or seek forgiveness, as it would automatically be covered. But... it is not.

Are you saying that if you die and have only 1 sin unconfessed you go to hell?


Posted by: Christian Commando

Frederik dear boy- reread what I wrote. Does it say those who have works not of God that burn, takes thier Salvation? Or just treasures stored up in Heaven? READ!

God Bless!!


Posted by: eagle4him

It only takes one act of sin to lose our salvation. See Jerry's notes on Once Saved, Always Saved, and Eternal Security.

One act of adultery defines a believer as an adulterer (Leviticus 20:10)
One act of murder defines a person as a murderer (Numbers 35:16)

In the New Testament, under the covenant of "grace", Jesus says that if we harbor unforgiveness in our hearts towards our fellow man, then we are murderers, and no murderer will inherit the kingdom of God.

Read 1 Cor 6:9 and Rev 21:8, and Rev 22:19--then tell me that the covenant of grace allows us to lead a life of sin.

Hebrews 12:14 says that without holiness no one will see the face of God!

Even the "unbelieving" will not inherit eternal life. This does not say the unbeliever, for they have already been dealt with. This also includes those that profess to be believers but have no fruit! Faith without works is dead.

Revelations chapter 3 talks about the "lukewarm". Those are the Sunday morning only Christians that love God once a week, then live for themselves the rest of the week. They have a form of godliness, but deny the power of God!

They have no "power", because they have sin in their lives, that they protect and hide. Listen, 98% holiness is not enough!

You would not buy a bottle of water that had 98% pure water and 2% sewage in it would you?

God doesn't want us to be mostly holy--he commands us to be 100% holy!

We have to confess our sins, repent, and ask the Holy Spirit to reveal any unconfessed sins in our life. We have to ask that the Holy Spirit reveal to us any areas of our lives that do not comply with the word of God. We could go to hell not only for things we do and say, but also for the things we do not do and say.

Read the story of the Rich man and Lazarus. He went to hell because he did not offer anything to Lazarus, not because of something he did!

These are the sins of omission. --the things we fail to do.

We know about the ones of commission--the ones we do.

On that day many will say, "Lord, Lord...and He will say...depart from me you who practice lawlessness (sin)..I never knew you!"

If you don't think God can forget the read Ezekiel 18:24
When the righteous turn from righteousness and again sin--God will forget all about their previous righteousness.

If God is a God that can forget our sins when we ask for forgiveness and repent, then He is also the same God that will forget about us completely when we turn from Him and disobey.

You say, The Lord will never leave us nor forsake us! And this is true!

But God says, you will leave Him and forsake Him.

But if we turn back to him, repent, and ask forgiveness, then we are once again members of the family. (Read the story of the prodigal son)


Posted by: Christian Commando

Keep in mind tho people, this must be an intentional thing. As a True child of God, if God needs us to repent of sin, He, by the Holy Spirit will prick our hearts to realize we need to seek forgiveness.

sin done out of ignorance is one thing God will work with us on. Sin done intentionally and or, over and over without repentance is a whole other story. Just remember who the Apostle Paul was before he became an Apostle of God.

God will touch a person's heart if True Child of His, as stated before convicting them of a sin by the Holy Spirit, as according to God's Will.

God Bless!!


Posted by: Frederik

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Originally Posted by eagle4him
It only takes one act of sin to lose our salvation. See Jerry's notes on Once Saved, Always Saved, and Eternal Security.


I do not agree with this. If this was true then nobody could be assured of his salvation. Only 1 sin and you go to hell. I wonder how you can live believing this. I wouldn't last be able to get along with this pressure very long. Imagine you have a sinful thought and the next second you get a stroke. Not being able to repent. And then you wake up in hell....


Posted by: eagle4him

Only Jesus knows what the heart condition is of the person that sins. I know that a lot of people will die with sin on their conscience.

I think, and this is just my opinion--that Jesus uses previous history to determine whether a person's sin qualifies or disqualifies him from heaven.

For example,
Has this person previously repented after sinning?
If given the opportunity, would the person have repented prior to dying?

I do not know, only Jesus does, but this is what I think He does.


Posted by: Christian Commando

Wait now, eagle4him has the right idea, but not shared all aspects God declares. It is true God declares murderers etc won't enter Heaven. but, for a True child of God to commit such a sin, the Holy Spirit, as God declares, will convict them of such a thing.

Now, it is then, up to the individual to decide how to take this conviction. If reject it, they will be rejected by God. If accept, they will be led to repent and seek forgiveness.

God Bless!!