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The "Rapture" Is it real? If so, when will it happen?
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Posted by: Christian Commando
It's late now for me tonight, but will edit this first thread with showing all Scriptures I know, that show the difference between the "Rapture" and "Christ's Return" and take the lesson from there, step by step. I pray this will help others understand more of what God has planned for His Children and how He will help and protect us as we go on thru these "last days", and avoid the time of the anti-christ.
God Bless!!
Rapture Passages-
Jhn 14:1-3
Rom. 8:19
I Cor. 1:7-8
I Cor. 15:51-53
Philip.3:20-21, 4:5
Colo.3:4
I Thes.1:10, 2:19, 4:13-18, 5:9, 5:23
II Thes.2:1
I Tim.6:14
II Tim. 4:1, 4:8
Titus 2:13
Heb. 9:28
Jam. 5:7-9
I Peter 1:7,13, 5:4
I Joh. 2:28-3:2
Jude 21
Rev. 2:25, 3:10
Second Coming Passages-
Dan. 2:44-45, 7:9-14, 12:1-3
Zech. 12:10, 14:1-15
Matt. 13:41, 24:15-31, 26:64
Mark 13:14-27, 14:62
Luke 21:25-28
Acts 1:9-11, 3:19-21
I Thess. 3:13
II Thess. 1:6-10, 2:8
I Peter 4:12-13
II Peter 3:1-14
Jude 14-15
Rev. 1:7,19:11-20:6, 22:7,12,20
Special note-
Alot of people and religions that study these Scriptures, try to intermix them, so as to change when events will happen, or combine to try and change it's clear evidence as an event, combined as part of Christ's Second coming.
But, this cannot be. When dealing with many of them, they get stumped when I ask about in one example as Christ is coming towards earth, He only reaches the clouds, but in the other, He comes clear back to the earth.
Some have claimed that Christ calls to us at His Second Coming, and we meet Him in the clouds and then descend to earth. But, they can't figure out then, how to deal with all the various groups involved in either situation.
In the Scriptures shown above, there is clear evidence that the Church- "Body of Christ", is only on the earth for a time, but then removed, before the antichrist reign is in effect. A Rapture scripture shows where the antichrist- (man of perdition) is revealed, but then the "Body of Christ" is removed shortly after.
A Scripture from Old Test Prophesy declares christ will return with 10,000's of His Saints. First- who are saints? Us, God's Children. sure, some are dead and in Heaven already, but God declares in the "Valley of the Dry Bones" Prophecy, both Jew and Gentile shall be brought together in the end.
Secondly- Christ and God declares a wedding is to take place according to Scripture in Heaven during the Trib. Period. How can this happen, if the whole "Bride"- "Body of Christ" is not at the wedding?
Enough for now. Have fun reading and if have questions, please ask, I'll be happy to answer all.
God Bless!!
Posted by: Christian Commando
In several Rapture Scriptures, you read specific notations to trumpets being sounded. You can also find this related to in Rev. chapter 4 with the call to John from christ to- "Come up hither".
You'll find such things in one of I Cor. listing and one of I Thess., which is different than Jesus Christ's bodily return to earth.
Second, you'll find where Jesus Christ only reaches the clouds of our firmament, but not the planet at the Rapture.(Also noted in one of the above as well as other listed Scriptures).
You'll find where, Jesus Christ is not seen by the unsaved during the Rapture, but is seen by the whole world, when He bodily returns to earth. But, in the Rapture, instead of Christ coming and staying, He meets us in the clouds. A Scripture declares where two are in the field, one is left while the other is gone. Two in a mill, one is left, the other gone.
Some think because of this, 1/2 the world's population will disappear. False. Look at the statistics for the population of saved and reborn Christians around the world, compared to the population of the unsaved.
Tho nothing is impossible to God, remember, God gives us Scriptures such as "many shall come, but few will enter". There shall come a falling away from the faith. Plus others. so, we know it will not reach that level.
Now, in spiritualized and symbolized versions about the Rapture, it is claimed it happens during the middle of the Tribulation Period or at the end of it. False. There are other Scriptures to back up "Pre-Trib"- before Trib, beliefs, but the two main ones are found one in Rev. (which, if taken as literally written is given in chronological order), in Rev. chap 4 before the start of the trib. Period. And the other where Christ declares right after the anti-christ- "man of perdition" is revealed, the Rapture happens.
Here is a good topic- Psychic Predictions. Between Nostrodamus, Elizabeth Claire Prophet, Edgar Casey and many others, all have specific dates claimed our time is up.
False. Why?
Both god and christ enforce the fact only God the Father alone knows when Jesus Christ will return.
This goes along with a number of civilization claendars found- Aztec and Mayen, to about 2010-12, calendar in Pyramid cheops- May 1st 2000 if recall, Nostradamus- May 1999, Christian chronologists- Thele,Larken and Reese all figure as far as 2015.
Why so many? Because of man's inherant born in sin nature, he makes mistakes. Thus, we could have as many as 15 years discrepancies in our figuring. Yet, we can know the aproximate time by signs, thus I suggest we are in that area of being immenant for the Rapture right now.
Now, I've already covered the seperate Scriptures that show the Rapture different than christ's return above. But, IS IT REAL?
Yes, when Jesus gives this "Revelation" to John, notice how He appears to John first, then has seven angels to fit with seven churches He writes to. Where are those churches? On earth.
Some major research Christian Scholars of today, have come across the same interesting point I started seeing years ago. I didn't tie it together till heard others speak of it tho.
They have taught, that each of the letters mean't for a church, also represent different time periods during the christian era. If would look back thru the centuries at historical records, you would also find there are quite clear similarities between how christ spoke of certain edifications and chastisements towards each church, where they fit in with particular spans of time in our christian era.
But, some say that they or thier religion does not believe in a Rapture. Well, look at the last part of Rev. chap. 4, thru the moment of christ's return in Revelation and show me, where Christ or angels are dealing with God's children on the earth.
Instead, what is happening? You see a picture of people being hounded and chased, being killed in synagoges. God and christ both make a reference several times to this time period, being a time of "Jacob's trouble"- for Jews specifically.
No, this doesn't mean they are the only ones here, but will be severely treated once again, as note where the ultimate major conflict happens right before christ returns- in Isreal at Jerusalem. Megido to be exact.
The people, if look at other Scriptures listed, will find during this Trib period, people who are being chased and hounded, not accepting the "mark of the beast", are not Christians who missed the Rapture, but unsaved who now recognize the Truth of God they refused before. Thus, some will become saved and reborn during the trib. period.
How do i know this?
God declares- and Christ, when the Rapture happens, the dead in Christ shall rise first, then those who are alive shall rise with them to meet Jesus in the clouds.
Those who died already, will come with Jesus to the clouds as spirits, to be rejoined with thier transfigured bodies- in a moment, a twinkling of an eye, sin shall take on sinlessness, coruption incoruption, etc. Scripture declares they will then be with god forever.
So, people in the Trib. Jesus' return Scriptures show where those who are converted during that time, need to try and endure to the end. those who don't, will be raised up later.
At Jesus' return to earth, a Scripture declares He returns "in the clouds", translated means surrounded by saints. This accounts for a second Old Test Scripture where a vision shows Jesus returning with 10,000's of His saints. But, in those Scriptures, He reaches the earth. in Rapture ones, He does not. Also, He is not seen by the unsaved as mentioned before at the Rapture, where"every eye shall see" His return at bodily return to earth.
Thus, unlike the Rapture, the bodies of the dead are raised, along with those alive of God's children, to meet Christ in the clouds. Yet, at Christ's return to earth, there are 3 groups noted coming into the kingdom to serve with Jesus.
1st- The 10,000's saints that come down from heaven with him- "Body of Christ". 2- those who made it thru the trib. alive and are saved and reborn. 3- those who were saved and reborn but died or were killed during the trib. period are raised up to come into this Kingdom on earth.
Ok... enough for tonight. but this is just a beginning as to why the Rapture is true and when it will happen. Just understand, no person can ever claim to know the exact "day and hour" of this event or christ's return to earth.
Several cults have missed this by miles overguessing years in each of the last 3 centuries, noit to mention, many a scholar back just before the year "1,000 AD also ran around claiming this.
Next, we will look into Early church Teachings about the "last days" concerning a fully accepted doctrinal teaching right directly out of God's Word- the "6 day, 6,000 year" Christian theory.
God bless all!!
Posted by: Christian Commando
You will find, if look back into Early church Leader Teachings of God's Word, people such as Hypoletus, Ironeus, turtilian, Ambros , among many others, taught there would be a Rapture, plus it would happen before the Tribulation period.
They arrived at this belief directly from Scriptures in God's Word. How? Here is a beginning list to start with-
1- they noted God declares a reference of time to him, compared to us- A day to God, is as 1,000 years for man.
2- They looked at Genesis and noted God declares He created the earth in 6 days.
3- They then believed that, because God prophecied all thru His Word that Jesus Christ would one day return to earth, God has alotted man 6,000 years to exist, then Jesus would return.
Many religions like to claim that this is not a valid figuring for that event. But, if take the figures God gives us between the Book of Daniel for the times spent under captivity, plus those given to the Gentiles, along with the time alotted for the antichrist's reign- "Heptad"- one week- 7 years, translated, all add up to 6,000 years.
How do I know this? According to major Christian chronologists, they have figured it being 4,000 years from the appearance of Adam and Eve, to the birth of Christ. Therefore, it is reasoned, after another 2,000 years for man- 2 days for God, Jesus would then return. Why?
It's pretty clear for several reasons-
1- The reports of Christ's return failed miserably back at the end of the year 1,000 AD.
2- so far, all other cult religions have not been accurate in thier failed guesses from the early 1800s thru the latest 1900s.
3- They never paid any attention to, or spiritualized, symbolized or figuratized Revelation, to claim we have been in the "last days" now, even for centuries.
4- This absolutely cannot be. Why? They forgot about the signs Jesus Christ gave in His Teachings during His Ministry.
Here are a list of some to give you an idea-
A- The most important sign Jesus gave us was this- The generation who sees these signs coming to pass shall not pass away before seeing the return of the Son of man.
How long does that go? On average, people, men or women live to 100 years old. That means, somewhere within 100 years, Jesus would have to return, once the signs He gives start to show.
So, what is considered the first major sign? I suggest this one-
Jesus declares- when you see My "Fig Tree" coming back to life, and it's leaves are yet tender, know that Summer is nigh.
Special notes-
1- God called Isreal His- "Fig Tree" way back in early Old Test times.
2- Because Jesus states when it comes back to life- This refers to Isreal becoming a nation once again. Notice the years of returning Jews have spent coming back to thier homeland from around the world.
2 A- Also, know that, it was back in the 1950's if recall correctly, enough Jews had returned home, to finally re-establish Jerusalem and Isreal became a nation then, raising thier flag with the "Star of David" overhead in Jerusalem.
3- Notice, from 1950 to now, it's been little more than only 50 years. Thus, we still have 50 years- (100 for a generation), before Jesus would return then.
4- Notice Jesus declares that environmental disasters would start happening more often and with greater intensity. Statistics show, earthquakes are happening more often in growth since the 1950s, as well as being worse in force.
5- Jesus also said these disasters would happen in diverse places. So far, we have seen earthquakes happening in many places and more frequently than had before. Plus we've seen the growth of numbers and intensity of tornados, hurricanes, wind storms, flooding and more in odd places and more intense than usaul.
Special note- Look up the historical evidence of environmental disasters for numbers, intensity and where occurred. You would be astounded at the increase of all aspects over the last 30-40 years.
6- Man would turn around for thinking and operating as friends would become enemies and vise versa. Family members would turn against each other.
Special note- Look at the court cases that have gone thru over the last 30 years or so and see the strange cases that came up and how they were handled by the courts.
6 A- this also includes court cases of people against companies, children against parents and the list goes on.
7- Jesus declares these signs would only get worse for being negative. Plus, He declares it will reach a point that way, like it was in noah's day.
Ok, granted, many of these signs are happening right now. But... unlike some, who believe Jesus has been here and gone are wrong. why?
A- Cult religions claiming thier leaders were Christ in carnate are wrong. Why?
God declares as Christ does, The "Body of Christ", at Jesus' return would know and follow Him and would reign with Him for 1,000 years. I haven't seen that yet.
Secondly- At this "return", God and Christ declare the "Body of Christ" would be with God forever. If these false leaders were Christ incarnate, why are they not still alive today and among us and everyone of God's children know them? Because they died and never rose up again.
Third- So far, I haven't heard of "every eye" seeing Jesus having returned already, by mouth, news report or any other means.
No, all the signs, of which the rest I'll get into after this, have not been fulfilled yet, as God and Christ declare, for Jesus to return or even call us up in the Rapture.
God Bless!!
Posted by: Christian Commando
Now on to other areas of interest concerning what is going on here on earth, to what is said in Scripture.
In Revelation, Christ shows John, there will be a one world government rising to decieve the world into following it. this government, as shared there, will be headed by a first beast seen in Rev. This beast will demonstrate all the power of "the dragon", when in his presence.
Not only that, but a second beast will appear, who has horns of a lamb- depicting a religious leader, but speaking as a dragon- satanic beliefs.
Together, as John is told in Rev., they thru this one world government, will show great miracles and wonders, to decieve the world into following them.
Now, we don't see this one world government in force as yet, thus, another point against those who believe we are already going thru the Trib. Period. Secondly- the "man of perdition"- antichrist, has not been revealed as yet either. Another count against this belief.
But, if look back in Daniel, you will find, this one world government shall be of Roman decent. Why? Look at the vision King Nebecaneezer had who Daniel was given by God, the interpretation.
The vision was of a statue. Notice the lower legs were of pure iron, but now the feet, are iron mixed with clay. The Roman Empire was the last major one to hold Isreal captive.
Heres whats interesting- Back in the late 1950s I believe, 3 European nations came together to form what then was known as "Benolux", of which they came together and ratified the "Treaty of Rome".
Since then, they have grown to more than 13 countries involved in this group. What was known as the European Union, is now known as the European community.
So, we also see this starting as well. But, there is also the "mark of the beast", one that is visible and won't go away.
Now... there is a man called- Col. Sanders, who got saved and reborn and is now traveling and speaking on this aspect, pertaining to a special microchip he inadvertantly helped design and build.
It is so small, you can't see it with the naked eye, yet, after a short period of time, it's lithium battery is claimed to start leaking it's battery acid, that first shows as a red mark, then festers and eventually breaks to an open sore.
I will not atest to this being the "mark of the beast" for sure, but there is one other interesting aspect that coincides with the open sore-(which by the way, is claimed won't ever heal).
The other one is that it was found thru years of testing A- It works best when placed in the hand or forehead of a person. God declares the "mark" will be on the hand or forehead of antichrist followers). B- Testing in animals, people etc over years has proven with the right computer, it can be detected anywhere it's carrier has been placed in the world.
The reason I share this, is to show our time is on the verge of the Rapture happening. So many things are coming into place now, few of which many even know about, that place man on the edge of seeing the Rapture happen at any time.
You might want to consider this as well- the E.C. is very close to becoming this "one world government", as they are working at, if not already done away with Nato, in favor of thier own international operating system, as well as thier own huge army reported to be in process of building.
They have also proposed to start international exchanges between countries, using thier special "code" rather than a monetary pay system. Because of that, consider this as well-
Where is the US for technological advancements? Little do people know, about the time credit cards with computer strips on them showed up and machines to utilize them started appearing, it has been claimed the E.C. had just had meetings before that, with the leaders of the highest voting powered states in our Country, to try and get a bill and legislation passed to get us involved with ther "coding" system.
If true my friends, this would explain the consistant move towards a totally moneyless lifestyle in most civilized nations.
I believe such things will happen, but no one can be sure how , for the numbers of technological and other avenues opening up so often, how all things shall go. I will share with readers the Christian research sources I've recieved this info from, if the Admin. allow it.
God Bless !!