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Freakism among christians...
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Posted by: Frederik
Yesterday I chatted with a christian. We talked about me not having a church. I told him that I don't have time on Sundays cause we always visit my grandmother on Sunday. She lives alone. I only see her once a week. And I cannot simply say: I don't have time for you anymore. This would break her heart. Imagine the impression she would get of me. I would appear totally heartless. And this guy told me that worshipping and serving God would be more important to him than his grandmother!! 
This is sick! Do you really think God would be happy if I broke the heart of this poor woman to be able to sit in church on Sundays? This is so gross! 
Posted by: Christian Commando
If you told your grandmother you need to go to church to help you grow closer to God and for praise and worship of God in fellowship with others on some sundays, I doubt that would break her heart.
After all, relationships with people are very good, but our relationship with God is most important. How can others be witnessed to, if we keep people more important than God? If your grandmother is a christian, she would surely understand that.
If unsaved, she needs to hear the Truth, to realize her own situation and why it's important to know and understand such a thing. This is not being heartless my friend, but honest for an eternal future for yourself and those you love.
Do you really care about her, if refuse to follow God and be an example to her? God shows in His Word, you cannot truely please or help others, if not serving God correctly as a witness yourself, to start with.
My mother thought I was nuts also at first after my life changed to living more for God and taking more time to go to Church, than spending all of every weekend with them. During her last 10 months of life, she had to ask what had changed my life for so much better than I'd been all those years before.
So, you see? It will have a profound effect, as thru a chain of events from that day, my mother, a close friend, then my earthly father, ended up getting saved and reborn and will see all of them because of my sacrifice to God for that, later in heaven.
Understand? God Bless!!
Posted by: Frederik
I don't even think that Sunday church is so important. You just go there listen and then you go home. I can also listen to sermons on the internet.
I really cannot stand all this pressure and these rules. As a christian you have to go to church, you have to do this, you have do that....
This is not the right way. Forcing somebody to do something is never the right way.
Posted by: Christian Commando
You know my friend, God declares and commands particular things of His children as general rules, that help to lift us up, enlighten us further, help us grow in God and grow stronger in the unifying of the "Body of Christ" because of these guidelines.
If were not commands, they wouldn't be so important to God in our relationship to Him or to others. But, they are. If you slack off in any or all, you are lacking in those areas for growth and developement in your relationship to God.
If you lacking, that shows in your being a witness to others for God and Christ. I hear alot of complaints about that same point from many an unsaved person. The problem?
If actually committed themselves heart and mind to God, they would experience greater freedom in being severed of the worldly bondages they are caught by now. And this is evident in christians who complain the same thing. They have not fully committed themselves to God, or they'd be experiencing greater freedom from the bondages and influences of the world and satan.
This is why God speaks of the vunerability of young Christians in Him being so susceptible to being drawn back to worldly thinking and operating. (Hence the reason for older further developed Christians being Disciplers and leaders over them to help them).
God Bless!!
Posted by: Frederik
Where does the bible command us to go to church?
What if I dont have a church but fellowship with other christians, is this also not enough?
Posted by: Christian Commando
God does not command us to go to church, as they met in homes back then my friend. Fellowship and congregating for praise, worship and prayer were His commands.
Thats fine, so long as the meetings are involving praise, worship and some prayer to God. If never congregate with others in a group for this in some fashion, you are going against a command of His.
Fellowship is fine Frederik, but you should be involved with this for praise, worship and some prayer to an extent as well. It's not good for God's children to always try to stand alone in thier faith. thats why many of them lose faith, for there is no supporting structure of fellowship with others to stay strong, which is provided in part by being involved with praise, worship and prayer in fellowship.
Understand?
God bless!!
Posted by: Frederik
But I am not good at praising. 
I cannot really get in the mood of praising. If I am not in the right mood I also cannot do it. Even if I wanted to, it would not be genuine.
Posted by: MarkSentMe
How about TAKING your grandmother to church with you? What is more important brotwurst, brotchen, spaetzel and beer or Oma's eternal salvation, and your for that matter? We all love our grandma's (both of mine are dead, so treasure your time with yours) but, my friend, even grandma who is the most kindest and loving person in the world will spend eternity forever separated from God if she is not saved and redeemed through Jesus Christ and Him alone! My grandmother lived for the church. But that's just it, she lived for the CHURCH. She did not live for Jesus Christ.
What better testimony and fellowship than leading our own families to Christ? What a way to deepen your relationship with your grandmother? My mother-in-law is 89 years old. She is saved. Our relationship has been "polite" for the past 16 years. I like her and I get along with her, but our conversations were always superficial- only on the surface. In February, I was saved. Now our conversations are different, much more meaningful and the resentment I had is gone. She is having some health issues right now and I know that she is right with God and if she were to die today, she would go to be with Him. What about your grandmother? If she died right now, where would she go? Why should God allow her into Heaven? Does she know the plan of salvation according to the Bible? Don't assume that because she's nice and old and sweet that she's got a ticket in!
Our relationships on this earth are temporary. Just look at any headstone in a cemetary. There is a birth date and a date of death with a "dash" in the middle. Our relationship with God is forever. Or maybe not. Those who are separated from God will spend eternity apart from Him. And about a minute after we die, we will know which choice we should have made. There is no "do-over" no "wait-a-minute" no "I really meant". Contrary to popular belief, God DOES know our hearts and those who have rejected God will not enetr the Kingdom with all of their dirty laundry and filthy baggage (sin)
Those whom are saved, yet do not share the Gospel are guilty of the sin of silence. Your grandmother would probably appreciate going to church and getting out of the house on a Sunday. Once you establish a habit of worship in your daily life, Sunday becomes the day you go and get a "refill" for the week.
Sundays at our house are reserved for church. My extended family thinks we've lost our minds because we have adopted a "German"-type lifestyle. See, we lived in Germany for 3 years, courtesy of the U.S. Army. There isn't a thing open on a Sunday in Germany outside of restaurants, a few gas stations on the autobahn, and city parks. So we don't shop on Sunday! Now our Sundays are for church and doing outdoorsy things. Our church has 3 services. We go to Sunday school, 11 am service, come home, eat, watch some NASCAR or go out and play, and then hit the 6 pm service. It's not a chore or a bother. We enjoy the fellowship and the Sunday school where we can ask any question about anything in the Bible. Fellowship is important because when questions, concerns or issues arise, I can call a fellow Christian and ask. Or I can ask my pastor. When I was a piece of "flotsam" just doing it my way, I had no one to ask (way before my time on this board). That was when I made assumptions and put my own attitude and beliefs into God. That doesn't work.
So, yess, I value my relationship with God over the relationship of my own family. People will always let me down (and have, and do) But God will never let me down.
Have a Blessed Day!
Sharyn
Posted by: akabezalel
Enough of this you two!
The accusations and angry posts in return stop here, this thread is closed.
Brian, as the more mature Christian of the two of you the healing starts with you, you can still post here because you are a moderator.