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How to get faith for healing?

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Posted by: Frederik

I think one thing I realized is that reading books on healing to get faith for healing doesn't work, at least not for me.
So how do I get faith in healing? And how do I even know it's faith and not just hope? I mean hope is something like a protection mechanism. If something becomes too much for you to bear then you simply have to cope with this somehow and this is where hope comes into play. Hope makes life easier, I also experience this. Sometimes when something becomes too much I simply suppress the thought that it might be like this forever, but this isn't faith.
After all does asking to be healed even make sense if you don't really have 100% faith that God will indeed heal you? What if you simply cannot achieve this faith?
Does this mean you can forget about healing and do not even have to try it?


Posted by: Christian Commando

First, you read Scriptures on faith of people in God's Word. This will show you how strong faith can work.

Second- You believe full heartedly what you read to be absolutely true, no doubt. reading the proof faith worked for others in multiple ways, according to the level of it they had, helps us to understand how much to believe God's Word when read what It promises us.

Jesus showed practically every level of faith, from so much, miracles of great magnitude happened, to so little, little if anything was recieved by faith.

Remember, faith comes from a belief in things unseen. If you don't believe, don't expect anything to happen. Most likely it won't.

Clearly another point made for attitude my boy. Understand?

God Bless!!


Posted by: GODS Grace

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Originally Posted by Christian Commando
Remember, faith comes from a belief in things unseen. If you don't believe, don't expect anything to happen. Most likely it won't.

Hebrews 11:1
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Frederick, If you have hope that is a good place to start. If you don't have hope then you don't have faith . We can ask God for faith.
I've been reading verses about placing our hope in God. It's like a foundation for faith.
Blessing!!!...Grace


Posted by: Frederik

Um...
but I can also have hope that some day I'll be totally rich but this doesn't mean that I believe that it will happen.

Does this mean that if you have the right faith God will heal you right now on the spot? Cause many christian authors come up with this "faith is now" stuff and this means that if you really have faith then you will expect God to do it right now.

I don't know, how do I even know wether I really have faith? I mean once I wanted to be healed after reading a book about healing but I do not think I really had faith. I mean I even threw my medicine away but I was totally insecure and also scared that it might not work. I think this wasn't real faith, was it? If it had been real faith it would have worked, wouldn't it?
But does having faith always mean that you cannot be scared at the same time? For example do you know the scene in Indiana Jones where Indy doesn't see that there is a bridge? He cannot see it. But in spite of this he makes a step forward in faith and then he realizes that the bridge is there but he did not see it before. If you do something like this then you can also be scared at the same time but in spite of this you do it. This would mean that faith and fear could exist at the same time.


Posted by: Christian Commando

Yes, but you are talking a movie. In real life, it takes a certain amount of belief. Jesus declares, even if you have little faith, if solid as a mustard seed, you can accomplish anything thru God.

A mustard seed is very small, but very solid. Thus, this is a good Principle to follow.

God's Grace- thanks for showing the whole Scripture I refered to. But... hope still does not come in until you've heard or read whats possible and gain some belief from that hope for faith.

The Roman Centurion that asked Christ to heal his servant, had seen the miracles Jesus had done and believed by faith it would happen if saught earnestly. The centurion told Jesus, no you don't have to come, just say the word and he will be healed.

BTW- An example of how faith comes before hope-

You are at the counter paying for gas put in your car. You overhear two people talking about a new store in a neighboring town with cheaper prices of many things you can use.

By "faith" in what you heard, you go to the town to visit the store, in the "hope" they are right about cheaper prices for stuff.

The Apostles learned this same way from Jesus. While they listened to Him, they also saw what He did for miracles. Thus, what we must do then, is believe what they saw and heard to write about in faith, for the hope it is all true.

Understand?

God Bless!!


Posted by: Frederik

Yes.
But I don't understand how there can be small faith and huge faith?
What is small faith for example? Is it faith to be healed from a headache while huge faith is faith to be healed from cancer?
I mean isn't faith "digital"? Either you have it or you don't? Either yes or no, 1 or 0?
For example is it easier to have the faith to be saved than having the faith to be healed? I think it is. I mean God wants to save us and when you pray then you become saved right now. But healing is different you don't always become healed right now, some never get healed. Many preachers claim being healed is not harder than being saved. What impression does this give the audience and those which are not healed? They may think that if they cannot get healed maybe they also are not saved.


Posted by: Christian Commando

For example-

Lets say you have faith in only one promise God gave us and it works for you. But none in any other ones God gives us. That is one way to understand it.

Faith can be at all levels, where you have some, but not complete faith something will work. If your faith is weak, what will come of it? But, if have unmistakeable faith so knowing without doubt a belief, it will happen.

I knew someone who lacked faith in most promises God gives us. Yet, the crazy part was, as a prophet, we were watching a TV speal on a friend of mine who'd gotten drunk, fell thru the ice of a lake and no body found, yet that day, after much searching, this man proclaimed the divers would find my friend at a certain spot under the ice in another part of the lake, and by accident.

We all know God led someone to the spot where something unusaul sparked them to tell the divers. In late afternoon that winter day, the divers checked out this strange thing. It was that friend's body, in the exact place and time fortold it would be found.

God bless!!


Posted by: Frederik

Strange.

But what does this have to do with faith?

I mean the main problem is simply that when you have wanted to be healed a few times and it didn't work then you cannot get the faith for healing anymore I mean even if you didn't really have it in the first place it won't become easier after failing a few times.
And then there's also the fear. If I wanted to be healed from something then the stakes are high cause either you get the healing or you don't and this is pretty depressing. I would simply become scared of messing the healing up by not believing enough. Somehow I am not strong enough for such things. This is too straining. Especially when you're like me and have so many thoughts going through you head.


Posted by: Christian Commando

Ok, lets say you have faith your vehicle will always start every day for you, as it always has. But, while driving, it dies on you and you are stranded on the road.

Alot of good your faith did for getting it started, without faith to believe it would keep running as well. right?

God teaches us in His Word, to grow well rounded faith. Faith in all things He tells us and promises us. The less or weaker faith we have incertain areas of belief, the less likely to see things achieved or recieved.

But... heres another aspect. God shows He Blesses good Stewards of His. If wasteful with money or material things, God may not Bless us with them, for He knows we would just waste it.

Understand?

God Bless!!


Posted by: Frederik

But what do I do if I wanna be healed but really cannot believe that it'll work? I mean what if you're so scared and disillusioned with healing cause you failed so many times? What do you do then? Can you then simply be honest to God and tell him that you don't have faith for healing anymore?
I mean what do you do if you get sick? Do you simply say: "Thank you God, I claim my healing now and now I'm healed and I won't even think about this anymore...." would you do this?


Posted by: Christian Commando

Frederik- Like myself, I know of others, who had no doubt after prayed for, they were healed. Some, it didn't happen right away, but they still believed without doubt they were. Eventually, it was proven they were. But, not always imediately. That is God's choice. this helps build faith, by working on our patience to believe fully.

God Bless!!


Posted by: Frederik

Man but what if I cannot believe like this? I would become insecure and scared that it didn't work. I mean I tried it and I know what happened. I was scared and felt miserable for days not knowing what was going on.


Posted by: Christian Commando

I know frederik- this fear and insecurity comes from satan. He wants you to question wether God holds to what He declares. That is satan's way of keeping many of god's children from recieving so many Blessings.

It ain't the only way. As shown, sometimes, because God knows some of us are weak in faith or belief, He will allow a Blessing to be held off for a time, to help us seek God more and rely on Him more during that time, to eventually gain more faith, thru having patience in waiting for God's best time for Blessing to happen.

God Bless!!


Posted by: Frederik

The problem is not only that I can question wether God really wants to heal me at this time but I can also question wether I even have enough faith. And these 2 things together create a great insecurity and when you're insecure then you can forget it.
But today the christians say so many different things. Some say God always wants to heal others say this is not true. I don't know what to think anymore.


Posted by: Christian Commando

Thats why my boy, God declares we are to read his Word daily for protection against such reactions.

One of the best ways to combat satan's making us insecure of god's Promises, is to read those Promises every day. Read how to have faith in God He will do such things, etc. This re-enforces our belief and faith in what God has proven thru others, we can recieve also.

God Bless!!


Posted by: Frederik

But it's not that easy. Even if I read those promises I can still think that maybe I do not understand them correctly. Maybe I interpret them in a wrong way and don't understand what they really mean. Since every christian has a different opinion about healing it's not possible to be sure who's right.


Posted by: Christian Commando

My friend- individual opinions mean nothing. They come from falable people who are choosing to believe as they want of God's Word.

It's God's opinion that is important. sure, He gives us promises, but also provides the part we must adhere to, in order to recieve them. It's that simple and today, translated into plain English, German, Italian, etc.

In another of your forums, I wrote I'd spent 30 years reading studying and learning God's Word and related subjects. We all have to read, study and learn to gain more faith and belief.

God Bless


Posted by: Frederik

But how shall I know what God's opinion is? The bible also has to be understood and this is exactly where the various opinions come from. They all understand something else.


Posted by: Christian Commando

Frederik- I'll only share this point one last time.

If you read what each Apostle wrote in the 4 Books of the Gospel, you'll find all shared the same beliefs, but from slightly different views, based on culture, upbringing, training, etc. Yet, the identical Truths came thru, where spoke of the same events, description, etc. Only explained slightly different.

Realize, if something someone says does not coincide with God's Word as literally written to mean, it cannot be of God. The same Truths must come thru, or the view or interpretation is not of God.

God Bless!!


Posted by: Frederik

Oh man.
What about Isaiah 53:5 for example?
Some say it means our diseases others say it means sin as a disease.
This is what I mean. How are we supposed to know what it means? especially today where the meaning of a whole sentence might depend on 1 word and the translations are all a bit different according to which one you choose.


Posted by: Christian Commando

My boy-

Another of the Principles I speak of for helping to understand God's Word is to go several Scriptures before, to several after the focal one a person is trying to understand.

Isa. 53:6- All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on Him the iniquity of us all.

the word- iniquity translated means sin.

Do some reading and studying of God's Word my friend.

God Bless!!


Posted by: Frederik

and this means?
that Isaiah 53:5 is not about diseases but sin?


Posted by: Christian Commando

Correct! What you need to realize is, diseases are a "result" of sin, not sin in itself. Read where God cursed the earth for man's sake back in Genesis. Notice, after the curse was spoken, weeds and thorns grew. A result of sin, but not sin itself.


God Bless!!


Posted by: Frederik

But why do so many christians say Isaiah 53:5 is about diseases and they use this verse to show that Jesus carried our diseases. This means you can forget about this verse when you look for a verse which speaks about healing.


Posted by: Christian Commando

My friend- Jesus took on the sins of the world and man, that means He took on the pain, suffering and anguish sin produces as well, which includes allowing weeds, thorns, diseases and more to be produced.

Jesus did not take on our diseases, but the sins that produce them.

God bless!!


Posted by: Frederik

In the german bible in Isaiah 53:10 it says he was smashed with sickness. In the KJV it's totally different.


Posted by: Christian Commando

Well... thats not so far off my boy. What happens when you get a disease because of sin? You get sick. Think of it this way- It's a chain reaction.

Sin came into the world, which produced disease. Because we are "born in sin", we are susceptible to getting a disease. If do, as a result, we get sick from the disease.

Same difference, just different explaination. That is still right, but just not totally. Jesus got sick, but because of all the sin from the world and man.

Just consider this my friend- Jesus bore all that suffering of sin, from the beginning of man's fall up until all people were covered, even in the future we do not know of yet,
to the end of the Tribulation Period. that is over 6,000 years of sin for every person who ever lived and who will live past you and I up to Christ's return. And then add on the sin of the world, from God's cursing it besides way back in Adam and Eve's day.

That my boy, is a whole lot of sin to carry and pay for in sacrifice.

God Bless!!


Posted by: Frederik

Um, does this mean if you could express the sins of mankind with a number, let's say the entire sin of the whole world equals 1.000 then Jesus had to bore exactly the same amount? For example the lambs which were sacrificed for the sins of the Israelites were simply killed, they did not suffer for any sins. Did Jesus have to suffer the exact amount of sin which the whole world produced? How does this sin express itself? As pain or as depression or like a weight? I mean how do you bear sin?


Posted by: Christian Commando

What happens Frederik when you get sick? You can have a headache, body aches all over, upset stomach or more or others. Do you not think Jesus felt the pain and agony in His physical body from the beatings He took or getting skewered by the spear- (stabbed)? Of course He did.

So also, when Jesus' Spirit descended to Paradise, He also felt the pain, agony and anguish of all that sin on His Spirit as well.

Yes, a terrible weight weighing on Him emotionally.

God Bless!!


Posted by: GA5966

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Originally Posted by Frederik
Um...
but I can also have hope that some day I'll be totally rich but this doesn't mean that I believe that it will happen.

Does this mean that if you have the right faith God will heal you right now on the spot? Cause many christian authors come up with this "faith is now" stuff and this means that if you really have faith then you will expect God to do it right now.

I don't know, how do I even know wether I really have faith? I mean once I wanted to be healed after reading a book about healing but I do not think I really had faith. I mean I even threw my medicine away but I was totally insecure and also scared that it might not work. I think this wasn't real faith, was it? If it had been real faith it would have worked, wouldn't it?
But does having faith always mean that you cannot be scared at the same time? For example do you know the scene in Indiana Jones where Indy doesn't see that there is a bridge? He cannot see it. But in spite of this he makes a step forward in faith and then he realizes that the bridge is there but he did not see it before. If you do something like this then you can also be scared at the same time but in spite of this you do it. This would mean that faith and fear could exist at the same time.

Fredrick my dear Brother, You really make me think. I love it. Anyway, in what you say here you have to see that doubt entered in when you were insecure and scared it may not work. Here is what the bible says about doubt.Matt 14:29 And he said, Come. And when Peter was come down out of the ship, he walked on the water, to go to Jesus.
30 But when he saw the wind boisterous, he was afraid; and beginning to sink, he cried, saying, Lord, save me.
31 And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and caught him, and said unto him, O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt?
32 And when they were come into the ship, the wind ceased.
33 Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.
KJV


Posted by: Frederik

I don't think I am better than Peter. So if Peter doubted then why should I be different?


Posted by: Christian Commando

People doubt all the time my friend. this is satan influencing us to question God and His all powerful abilities. Remember what happened to Peter? He started to sink, right? Well, think about the ramifications of doubting God as a whole or in part then.

God Bless!!