Have you ever thought about this? God only gave them 1 rule not to eat from the tree. But could Adam and Eve have done anything else which would have been considered a sin? Could they have argued with each other for example? Or were such things not even within their horizon? Could they not even think of something which would have been sinful?
I think innocent as they were they could not only not have sinned but also not have thought of something which might be a sin. What do you think?
Posted by: Christian Commando
Frederik- Spend more time slowly reading about such things. The answers are clearly there my boy.
God declares after Adam and Eve had eaten the forbidden fruit- "Man has become as one of Us, to know good and evil".
What does this say my friend?
God Bless!!
Posted by: Frederik
That he did not know good and evil before.
But what does this mean? That he didn't know what evil was or that he could not even have thought of anything which is evil?
Posted by: MarkSentMe
yes, that's an absolute maybe.
Posted by: Christian Commando
Frederik- What does God say about man in the condition God first created him? That he was perfect. But, God warned man, not to eat of the forbidden fruit or what would happen?
Tho Jesus said once, man would be as the angels are at physical death, God clearly shows when created man as a "living being", man did not know the difference between good and evil. Man only knew what good was, as he did not do anything wrong against God or each other at first, did he?
Remember what God declared? He saw that it was good, the creation? So, as part of the "image of God, God instilled in man, was the good part. Why? How do I know this?
God declares several things- A- Angels God created in Heaven were done so long before this physical world, see Book of Job in God's question to Job- where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth and the stars of Heaven sang and sons of God shouted for joy?
B- Look at the problems God had with one particular angel who knew good and evil from the start and let pride convince him to stay evil and convince 1/3 of Heaven's angels to follow this.
C- Have you seen any Scriptures where God shows Adam and Eve fighting or arguing in thier perfected state? No.
Thats the answer-
God Bless!!
Posted by: Frederik
But were the angels not also perfect when they were created? But one day Lucifer began to rebel against God. How could he do this? I mean how could this rebellion even develop in him?
Posted by: Christian Commando
Read Isa. 14:12-15, this shows the "fall" of Lucifer, God's greatest and highest authority angel of that time. See how Lucifer was created perfect at first, but by reason of pride, he fell to sin.
This shows, angels know both good and evil from the start. And, they make a choice of what to believe.
God bless!!
Posted by: Frederik
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Originally Posted by Christian Commando
This shows, angels know both good and evil from the start. And, they make a choice of what to believe.
God bless!!
Interesting.
But how could they know good and evil from the start when evil didn't even exist yet? Evil started existing when Lucifer fell, this is how I understand it. Before this day there was no such thing as evil.
Posted by: Christian Commando
Notice what started evil- it was pride in the abilities and looks God created in Lucifer. Lucifer himself made the choice to think he could rise above God and dethrone Him. Then, he used this thinking, to convince 1/3 of Heavens angels to believe him and try to do it. That was when Lucifer and his followers were cast out.
You might say it wasn't good and evil to begin with, but right from wrong.
God Bless!!
Posted by: Frederik
Was pride already a sin?
Posted by: Christian Commando
Maybe you should read scriptures on how God looks at pride. It shows, God always hated pride.
Man may need a negative influence from satan or demons to feel pride, but it is man who chooses to accept this influence and let prideful feelings rule them.
The reason God hates pride so much, is because it started with one of His own Heavenly Angels.
God Bless!!
Posted by: Frederik
Exactly and this means that Satan already had sinned when he become proud and this means that even before he rebelled he already had sinned.
Posted by: Christian Commando
Exactly my boy- Jesus declares to us, sin starts as a thought lingering in our minds that is against God. Well, what did God say about Lucifer, I will ascend to the heights of Heaven I will this and that.
One major Pastor said it this way- Lucifer should've seen a good "eye doctor", for all the I wills he thought for himself. Yet, Lucifer did not remember who created him or gave him those tremendous looks, intelligence or abilities.
God Bless!!
Posted by: Frederik
This means at the point where Lucifer started becoming proud there was already no turning back for him? Or could he have repented at this time?
Posted by: Christian Commando
God originally created Hell only for satan and his demons. but notice, they are not held there in torment. God has given them much longer, out of love being thier creator, to come back to Him and repent.
But, notice God already knows Lucifer or his followers won't, by Scriptures in god's Word. Being omnicient- all knowing, is how God can know what neither angels nor you and I can about this situation and more.
But realize, this is why God declares of Lucifer- "Thou wast perfect in the day thou wast created, until iniquity was found in thee". He said- "in thee". Or, in his heart.
If recall correctly, God declares of people- "where your treasure is, there is where your heart will be also".
This shows, the very first iniquity-sin, came into existance from a prideful heart.
God Bless!!
Posted by: Frederik
Yes.
I thought again about the stories from christians which said they saw hell and that Satan torments souls in hell. You said that this stuff is a deception and that it's not true that Satan torments in hell. But heard that people for example converted after hearing these stories about hell cause they were sooo scary. If these stories are based on satanic deceptions then why do they have positive effects on people (making them convert)? Why should Satan do this?
Posted by: Christian Commando
Do not forget my friend about Judas of Ascariot. When Jesus sent the Disciples out healing and all other manner of miracles, Judas di them also. But, what did Jesus refer to Judas as? "Diabolis"- which is Greek for "the devil in human flesh".
Recall the other times I reminded you satan is an imitator of God and can even masquerade as an angel of light? God declares satan will do this, to try and decieve even God's "elect"- (True Children of God).
Besides, recall how satan had strove to become like God and to rise above God in his fall from Grace with God?
