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Mental Illness and forgiveness of Sin

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Posted by: carls

Ok ponder this one.

If one was say BiPolar that caused one to cycle from severe depression to mania highs(characterized typically by spending and/or risky sexual behavior) when the manias occure is that person knowingly sinning? Manias are a compulsion that one can't control. It is like Satan takes hold and you have no real power to resist.
If one engages in risky sexual behavior(say multiple partners) during this mania, is that person sinning, because that person has no control over it?
Then truely repents of the action?


Posted by: Christian Commando

Carls-

It takes specialists in these areas from a Christian backround with plenty of experience to find a difference wether it be the person deciding to do such things or outside forces.

Having dealt with demonic activity in person, I can attest to the fact investigations need to be done first, to know the best course of action and understanding of these situations. It had been found in a case or two over the years, some people I was dealing with had demonic possessions at times. While others, it had to do with chemical imbalances which are a physical root.

There is no way to know for sure if this is a person's responcibility unless facts come out to prove it, which means studying each case individually.

If a person has no control, how can they be responcible? Yet, the fine line comes from study to find out, per person per case, wether this is true or not.

But if not responcible for actions then no, they wouldn't be held accountable. After all, God declares it's when a person can tell right from wrong and make such decisions, that they are no longer under God's automatic coverage for Salvation.

God bless!!


Posted by: carls

That is one of the hardest things to find- A CHRISTIAN psychiatrist. I have found Christain therapists. What is so devastating is that I was the Lay Minister of Education and next inline for Head Elder. My thyroid decided to go bizerk back in 1997 and by 2002 I was in bad shape and didn't even know it. Lots of Rx's for the thyroid but not one Dr acknowleged the mental part. I found that out with research. In 2003 I had radioactive iodine treatment done to abbalate the thyroid. 3 months later I had the 'thyroid storm' Again the endocronogist never told me about this. Talk about being in the depths of hell. I sunk so low in depression that I'd cry to God to help and Cry to him why? Something like 30% of those who go through the storm without knowing what is going to happen commit suicide. 40% get divorced.It is that powerful. The manias are best described as an unrelenting compusion. I'd act on it, feel total remorse, ASk for Forgiveness and then it's ugle head would rise again and I'd be totally consumed. Nothing I could do would control them. I woudl pray so hard that I'd cry.

Having dealt with demonic activity in person, I can attest to the fact investigations need to be done first, to know the best course of action and understanding of these situations. It had been found in a case or two over the years, some people I was dealing with had demonic possessions at times. While others, it had to do with chemical imbalances which are a physical root.

I have no idea what caused the inital trigger of the thyroid. I do know that thyroid does and can cause the BiPolar. I can accept the depression but the highs are the hard ones. Beleive you me, I thought at times I was pocessed

There is no way to know for sure if this is a person's responcibility unless facts come out to prove it, which means studying each case individually.

I have fervently prayed for forgiveness. I know that he has forgiven me. It is in my heart. I also have not had one compulsion(except spendings) for over 18 months now and I can not see ever having one again. I am the type of person that prides himself on always being in control. I am a child of the 60's and therefore drugs were common. I never did because I would not lose control over my emotions. So you can see why losing control was so devasting.

If a person has no control, how can they be responcible? Yet, the fine line comes from study to find out, per person per case, wether this is true or not.

But if not responcible for actions then no, they wouldn't be held accountable. After all, God declares it's when a person can tell right from wrong and make such decisions, that they are no longer under God's automatic coverage for Salvation.

I knew I was doing wrong, but I had no control. It is so hard to relate how this feeling is to one who has never experienced it. It is like us men trying to understand childbirth and the associated pains. But the joy overcomes the pains. I knew once I 'settled' down, that I had to have that intimate talk with God and I did.
But what I suffer from now is that I don't feel that God is hearing my petitions anymore. Todd Agnew(a Christian singer) has a lyric: Speak to me, Speak to me oh God. For the last year or more he is not.


Posted by: Christian Commando

Having only dealt with you so little and know little of your experiences, I could not say for sure what is going on.

I knew of people who had traumatic events as a child terribly change thier attitude. When doing something, if disagreed with how it was being done, they quit, leave and not return.

I've dealt with people, while sitting and having a calm peaceful talk, see them jump up in total out of control rage and attack someone close by or me.

While sitting and having a good conversation with some, out of the blue, it's like they shut down, just quit talking, paying attention to you and more.

This is why I say, this is not something we can guess at. It takes time and research to find out what is wrong. I do agree the physical aspects that might cause problems should be exhausted first. Then, if continues with no postive results from tests, spiritual help is required.

But as noted, this takes time and I really don't know of any Christian Psychiatrists or psychologists.

Lord- We pray that you would lead this man to good solid christian Leaders in the areas you know He needs help in. We pray you would deliver him from these problems as you know better what is wrong than we do. We pray for restoration and full healing of this man, according to your Will. In Jesus Name- Amen!!