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Will heaven not be the same for all?

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Posted by: Frederik

Rick Joyner has a book where he has a vision of heaven and according to his book there are christians in heaven which are the lowest of all christians and they are very far away from God in the outer regions of heaven. They can see him but they are far away and cannot get closer.
Man, if he's right then this will suck! Imagine you're on of them and can watch God with a binocular. Hoooray.


Posted by: Christian Commando

I wouldn't claim that true or false. God only speaks of the nre Jerusalem and our mansions being built. Before anyone claims the New city God had measured isn't big enough, look at the Scriptures describing it's size given. It is humungous.

But more than what I've mentioned would be speculation except one more point to be made- Read back in Daniel about Gabriel's trip to give him God's message. A very long trip, yet remember they move without restriction where we do. They are not limited to walking, it appears they can fly or some version of that.

God Bless!!


Posted by: Frederik

This scares me.
I mean there is nothing great which I have done which I could be rewarded for. What if I'll be one of these which are among the lowest?


I also have a book which also deals with the end times.
There is also something about the foolish virgins.
The author says that these christians also excepted Jesus' return but they were not on fire for God and did not have an intimate relationship with him and didn't trust Jesus.Does this mean if Jesus comes back and I do not have a great relationship where everything is honkey dorey then I'll be left behind?
If he came back today then why should I not be left behind? I mean I get nothing done. My relationship sucks.


Posted by: Remnant7

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Originally Posted by Frederik
This scares me.
I mean there is nothing great which I have done which I could be rewarded for. What if I'll be one of these which are among the lowest?


I also have a book which also deals with the end times.
There is also something about the foolish virgins.
The author says that these christians also excepted Jesus' return but they were not on fire for God and did not have an intimate relationship with him and didn't trust Jesus.Does this mean if Jesus comes back and I do not have a great relationship where everything is honkey dorey then I'll be left behind?
If he came back today then why should I not be left behind? I mean I get nothing done. My relationship sucks.

Hey Frederik... why does your relationship suck?? Let's examine this. What's going on to make it suck? My heart goes out to you and fellow Christians who are in turmoil over this... you can't enjoy your salvation and it's miriad of benefits (peace, love, fellowship, joy...), becuz you worry so much... it's stealing your joy and your ability to enjoy your salvation,,, focus on this. The joy of the Lord is your strength. Trust God and stoppppp this garbage playing in your head,,, that you arent good enough, or w/e. It's really a lie of the enemy. Why should you be left behind???? You accepted Jesus Christ as savior... so be thankful you dont have to be left behind because of what He did on the cross. Just chill.


Posted by: Frederik

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Originally Posted by Remnant7
Hey Frederik... why does your relationship suck?? Let's examine this. What's going on to make it suck? My heart goes out to you and fellow Christians who are in turmoil over this... you can't enjoy your salvation and it's miriad of benefits (peace, love, fellowship, joy...)


Cause I don't spend much time with Jesus. I just don't know what to do.
Often I feel bad cause I know that actually I should be spending time with God but I don't know what to do. Since I cannot pray for hours and do not hear God's voice all I can do is talk to him. But this is not fulfilling. I cannot whine and complain to God all the time or talk about things which go through my mind. It's not that I am not hungry for more. I am. But at the same time it seems so hopeless to me cause I just don't know what to do anymore. I do not believe in methods or tricks or smart books which I just have to read and then suddenly everything is great and I hear God and yadda. I don't believe in this stuff.
And then there is also fear as a "motivator". When I read that those which do not have the right relationship with Jesus are left behind then this scares me. I mean what would I do if I was left behind? This would be my end.
But also I don't want to force myself to do something out of fear. This doesn't work. But somehow it's always fear. If you don't seek Jesus enough and don't love him enough and don't trust him enough you'll be left behind. Great.


Posted by: Christian Commando

Another secret others have told me Frederik was this- make a list of the Blessings God has given you already. Example- life, a family, roof over your head, food, etc. Many times we are not thinking the simplest Blessings God has given are just as important.

Secondly- Read and study God's Word for spans of time, then spend quality quiet time praying to God seeking any Truth(s) He might open up to you about It. Reading and pondering His Word and being in prayer are essential for every Child of God's growth of relationship with God.

Force yourself to start spending more time reading and praying. Even if don't like it at first, later on you'll be glad you did it. No, it may not be enjoyable at first, but what do you want from God if not willing to sacrifice of yourself or time for God more?

God is a loving Father over us. He will impart on our lives the same amount we put into our relationship with Him.

God Bless!!


Posted by: Frederik

But the thing is that I have tried seeking God a few times and I always ended up being frustrated. I become frustrated so quickly.


Posted by: Christian Commando

What frustrates you when seeking God?

God Bless!!


Posted by: Frederik

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Originally Posted by Christian Commando
What frustrates you when seeking God?

God Bless!!


I don't know how to do it. And then everything seems senseless to me. Imagine you're thirsty and won't to open the bottle but you fail then you would also become frustrated. I mean seeking God only makes sense when you also >find< him. Without sense of achievement you become frustrated.


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Often I feel bad cause I know that actually I should be spending time with God but I don't know what to do. Since I cannot pray for hours and do not hear God's voice all I can do is talk to him. But this is not fulfilling. I cannot whine and complain to God all the time or talk about things which go through my mind. It's not that I am not hungry for more. I am. But at the same time it seems so hopeless to me cause I just don't know what to do anymore.



Posted by: MarkSentMe

One thing I DON'T do is spend 24/7 online! I pray here for awhile, but this is NOT my quiet time with the Lord. I have a job where I get 4 hours alone while cleaning.
Most of the time I just talk to the Lord as if He is right there. Yes, He hears me belly-ache about how dirty the place I'm cleaning is. He hears me complain about my past and some things I need to work through. But He also hears me thank Him that I HAVE a job! He hears my thanks for being able to walk pain-free that day. He hears my thanks for my family, home, food, children, husband, friends, church, dog, etc.
I give Him my concerns and worries. After working 4 hours, I have everything all hashed out.

Do you listen to any Christian music? You can listen to WAY-FM online. It's positive upbeat music, that sounds like regular music, EXCEPT it's praise and worship and all about God! You can listen online while surfing and reading.
Just search WAY-FM and go there. I listen while I'm at work, which helps me to stay focused on the Lord and not having to hear a bunch of rubbish like on rock or pop stations, or PRIMA-TON in Germany.