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Did the idea of hell change?
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Posted by: Frederik
There are people which claim that the idea of a fiery hell is taken from somewhere else cause in the old testament hell was not described as fiery but in the new testament it's suddenly fiery. How do we explain this?
Did other religions also believe in a fiery hell at this time?
Posted by: angelofthelord
Frederik
Take my word for it....its hot...so very hot and not the place anyone wants to be.
As for other religions I think the Buddists do (don't quote me on that), but I know the true worshippers of satan believe it to be so.
Chris
Posted by: GA5966
Deut 32:22
22 For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.
KJV
Matt 5:22
22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
KJV
Matt 18:9
9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.
KJV
Luke 16:22-25
22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
KJV
Hell fire is mentioned in the old testament King James Version once. In the New Testament more. But here are some key passages for you Fredrick. Love in Christ, Bobbie
Posted by: MarkSentMe
Non-believers and the unsaved think Hell is going to be one big party. That is the lie of Satan to lure people. Hell is a place of suffering, torment and pain- forever separated from God.
Posted by: Frederik
Thanks! I have also found this 1 verse from the OT which mentions fire.
But what I don't understand. Why is the word hell not used in the OT? In the OT it's sheol and only in the NT the word hell is used. 
Posted by: GA5966
The old testament writers where from a different generation than the new testament writers. The question you ask is like saying why would the King James version use "Thee and Thou" and the NIV use "You or another pronoun." Fredrick sometimes things are not extremely clear if God had written everything we wanted to know in the Bible we couldn't even carry it to church or anywhere else. He only gave us what was neccesary for living here on earth and preparing for heaven don't get so caught up in the facts. Have some Faith Brother.
Posted by: JeriRose12
22 “ For as the new heavens and the new earth
Which I will make shall remain before Me,” says the LORD,
“ So shall your descendants and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the LORD.
24 “ And they shall go forth and look
Upon the corpses of the men
Who have transgressed against Me.
For their worm does not die,
And their fire is not quenched.
They shall be an abhorrence to all flesh.”
(Isaiah 66:22 - 24)
The real point is, not whether hell is mentioned in the Old Testement. It is: Are you making sure you don't go there?
In order to avoid hell we must BELIEVE on the only begotten Son of God.... yet, you constantly throw up questions as though you are DOUBTING God and the truth of His Word. Doubt is the opposite of belief! Belief takes faith! If you had the answers to all these questions, where then would be your faith -- the very faith that saves you from hell? "By grace are you saved through faith...." Besides, if you had answers to these questions, you would be God! 
Dear friend, stop putting your questions as a god before God. You seek the answers to these questions more than you seek God! These endless questions are not helping you get closer to Him. Even if you had the answers to EVERY ONE of these questions, it is not having knowledge about God that matters. It is KNOWING GOD that matters! Paul's desire was to KNOW CHRIST AND HIM CRUCIFIED (1 Corinthians 2:2)....not to know about Him!
1Now about food sacrificed to idols: We know that we all possess knowledge. Knowledge puffs up, but love builds up. 2The man who thinks he knows something does not yet know as he ought to know. 3But the man who loves God is known by God. (1 Corinthians 8:1 - 3)
So you see it is not having knowledge that matters, it is LOVING GOD that matters! You want to know about God. You seem to want to figure out every detail about him. Well, don't you know....
33 the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! (Romans 11:33)
I and others have told you this before: You need to be seeking God NOT MAN for the answers to your questions. Read His word. Ask Him to explain to you what you need (not WANT) to know. James 1:5 says it the best:
If any of you lacks wisdom, he should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to him.
Do you know how long I have been asking God questions and how few answers He has given me? It is in getting to know HIM that I find my satisfaction. You seem to think that if you can get the answer to these questions you will stop doubting. No! You can only stop doubting when you put your trust in Him! You will only trust Him as you seek Him and get to know Him. The more I seek Him, the more I love Him. The more I love Him, the more I trust Him.
I am in a place now where it's a spiritual desert (I am not experiencing His Presence in a major way). The family siutations get crazier and crazier. I am not even stumbling through the desert right now; I have just stumbled and fallen into the sand and here I lie.... wishing to "quit" (however you do that). But, because I love Him and trust Him, I know that I can make it. I know that I will get up and go again. I know that He is good. I do not doubt. I don't lose faith.
It is not based on knowledge about Him. It is based on KNOWING Him. I did not spend my time gaining knowledge about Him, I spent my time getting to KNOW Him! I read His Word, not so I would know more (knowledge) but so I would know HIM more! And, because of that, I am now in the desert, able to thank and praise Him regardless of the dry and weary land where there is no water....
In order to have the kind of faith that keeps and sustains you, you need to get to KNOW God. Stop seeking knowledge about Him and start seeking Him!
Dear Lord, please lead Frederik away from this endless questioning and lead him to seek YOU and YOU alone! You are the great and awesome God, and there is no way we can EVER figure You or Your ways out! I pray that Frederik will stop trying! Let him lay down this quest for knowledge and pick up a quest for YOU!!! In Jesus Name, I pray, amen!
~JeriRose~
Finding YOU in 2005 
Posted by: Frederik
Hi Jeri!
Do you not think I have searched for God? I have. Maybe not as long or as much as others have but I tried it. But I didn't even know what to do. I can't pray for hours and when I pray then it's always the same stuff and this doesn't bring me closer to God, this is only me talking to God. During my holidays I really wanted to seriously seek God. I was really hungry at first. When everybody was asleep then I tried to spend time with God cause this is the only time where I have peace and can really focus on things. It was the same every night. I talked to God and said the same stuff and prayed the same stuff as always and this took maybe 1 hour and then I ran out of ideas. I just didn't know what to do anymore and this was so frustrating. I really wanted to achieve something, I had the time. But I didn't know what to do anymore and then I went to bed being frustrated. And this only lasted a few days and then my motivation was gone, I became so frustrated and I couldn't motivate myself anymore, I prayed for new motivation but I was not able to start again and even if I had started it would have been the same. I would have prayed the same stuff and told God the same stuff just as always. All I did was talk about all the things which are not okay about me and that I want to change and so on and so on. This is not what I call a relationship. I feel like I cannot find God cause I dont even know how to seek him. And then I read what others experience with God and all this stuff and it drags me down. I feel like I'm the worst christian cause I don't find God while others do. 
I have really run out of my ideas and dont know what to do or try anymore. Finding God cannot be a science, where you either do everything correctly or you dont find Him. I dont understand why others experience him and not me. Sometimes I ask myself wether God even wants me to find him or wether he might want to keep it the way it is. 
But the more I try to find him and nothing happens the more unreal it becomes in my mind cause it becomes so hard to imagine that it might ever be different. Imagine you fail at a test over and over again then you'll think that it'll never be different. I have done so many things which totally go against me and which I usually would never do. I have gone to charismatic communities and endured church services which were terrible and I felt so uncomfortable there and it dragged me down so much only because I hoped that maybe I would experience something there. Or I have gone to christian conferences and nothing happend. But maybe this is also wrong, simply seeking an experience. 
But it would be better than nothing. But I dont even experience something in church while everybody seems to experience something which also drags me down.
It's not that I have no desire to seek God. But my desire is quenched by not knowing how to do it and by the lack of a sense of achievement. I cannot seek God for months without any sense of achievement, I would become frustrated after a short time just like it happened in the past.
Posted by: Christian Commando
Bro- There are people like I'm dealing with right now,who take thingsout of context in God's Word and do notany research or refuse, as it ruins thier beliefs.
God still declres thesame Truths about Hell in the Old and New Teswt. for what it is like, except without Paradise.
Thus, the description of Hell is identical between both areas of teaching.
God Bless!!