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The Muslims Are Right On!!!!!!!!
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Posted by: thedeliveryman
I think the muslims are on to something. I think maybe we need to change our tactics and learn from them.
You're all probably aware of how some Danish newspaper had the audacity to print a political cartoon depicting muhammad with a bomb on his head wrapped up in a turban. Now the entire muslim world is whacked out shape over this blasphemy and have gone so far as to burn the Danish embassies in Syria and Lebanon. Well I say more power to them. By the way, do you notice the lack of any hue and cry from the liberal media and intelligentsia denouncing this behavior and standing up for "freedom of the press?"
The next time the aclu decides to sue some municipality for putting up a Nativity scene, I say we take a chapter from their playbook! If the doggone muslims can do it and get away with it without so much as peep out of the press, I say we can too!
We'll need a list denominations and make them responsible for the uprisings on specific day of the week and ...
Posted by: youngijp
KJV Matthew 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them. 17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him.... 18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
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Posted by: JeriRose12
Nasrallah to US: 'Shut up' about Muslims---Jerusalem Post
The leader of Hizbullah, heading a march by hundreds of thousands of Shi'ite Muslims on Thursday, said US President George W. Bush and his secretary of state should "shut up" after they accused Syria and Iran of fueling protests over cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad.
Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah said that if the controversy touched on Jews or Israel the West would have reacted differently and quickly. "Is the Islamic world less important than a bunch of Zionists? We cannot acquiesce to this."
Nasrallah urged Muslims worldwide to continue demonstrations until there is an apology over the drawings and Europe passes laws forbidding insults to the prophet.
The head of the guerrilla group, which is backed by Iran and Syria, spoke before a mass procession of Shi'ites marking Ashura, an annual remembrance of the 680 A.D. battle in which Hussein, their saint and grandson of Muhammad, was killed by rivals, cementing the split in Islam between Shi'ites and Sunnis.
Whipping up the crowds on the most solemn day for Shi'ites worldwide, Nasrallah declared: "Defending the prophet should continue all over the world. Let Condoleezza Rice and Bush and all the tyrants shut up. We are an Islamic nation that cannot tolerate, be silent or be lax when they insult our prophet and sanctities."
"We will uphold the messenger of God not only by our voices but also by our blood," he told the crowds, estimated by organizers at about 700,000. Police officers had no final estimates but put the figure at even higher.
Speaking about the controversy for the first time Wednesday, Bush condemned the deadly rioting sparked by the cartoons and urged foreign leaders to halt the spreading violence and to protect diplomats in besieged embassies. Rice, the US secretary of state, said Iran and Syria "have gone out of their way to inflame sentiments and to use this to their own purposes. And the world ought to call them on it."
"There can be no settlement before an apology and there can be no settlement before laws are legislated by the European Parliament and the parliaments of European countries," Nasrallah said.
Islamic nations should demand "a law committing the press and the media in the West that proscribes insulting our prophet. If this matter cannot be achieved that means [the West] insists on continuing this," he added.
Would that Christians were bold enough to take a stand unto death (preaching to the choir)....
Posted by: youngijp
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We've a Story to Tell the Nations
Words and music: Henry Ernest Nichol, 1896
(MIDI file by John Paul Howell)
We've a story to tell to the nations,
That shall turn their hearts to the right,
A story of truth and mercy,
A story of peace and light,
A story of peace and light.
We've a song to be sung to the nations,
That shall lift their hearts to the Lord,
A song that shall conquer evil
And shatter the spear and sword,
And shatter the spear and sword.
We've a message to give to the nations,
That the Lord who reigns up above
Has sent us His Son to save us,
And show us that God is love,
And show us that God is love.
We've a Savior to show to the nations,
Who the path of sorrow has trod,
That all of the world's great peoples
Might come to the truth of God,
Might come to the truth of God.
Refrain:
For the darkness shall turn to dawning,
And the dawning to noonday bright;
And Christ's great kingdom shall come on earth,
The kingdom of love and light.
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Posted by: Qavod
I can't believe I'm reading this here???
The Church in America is already in the crosshairs of the secularists because they really don't view us as any different than Muslim fundamentalists.
The references to Matthew 28 and the call to boldness is not a licence for terrorism. Why hasn't anyone taken issue with what is advocated in this thread as being terrorism???
We are bold because of confidence in an Immovable Kingdom that is invisible, real, and advancing.
Ruthless tactics are not only not necessary but unbiblical. Have we forgotten the Inquisition, for God's sake??? The Caliphate that Islam seeks to implement is not founded in the peace of God as ours is.
Please pity those Muslim rioters because they serve such an impotent diety that must rely on the bloodlust of his followers for appeasement. What we are seeing broadcast is really the utmost in insecurity and they are lost in their zeal. We have nothing to admire or learn from or pick up from their demonstrations at all. They are as adamant in violent demonstrations to validate their faith as atheists are in angrily denying the existence of God.
Ever caught the angst behind their denunciations??? THERE IS NOT GOD!!! DANG IT!!! And just Who are they mad at? Muslim foolishness betrays the same deep conviction that Allah is a phantom and no more.
Let us not stray from the unshakable reality that the God of Heaven provides security and peace and holds all things together by the Word of His Power.
The ACLU and the secularists hostility against Christians should never warrant that we employ terrorism against them. To think this is to deny our faith that our Kingdom truly is unshakable.
Posted by: MarkSentMe
Very well said, Qavod. Thank You. 
Posted by: youngijp
The Voice of the Martyrs -- persecution(com)
April 28, 2006 Prayer of the day:
Turkey – Muslims are attacking their Muslim enemies by labeling them Christians. Pray Christians will comfort those who suffer these injustices.
Article by Brigitte Gabriel, expert on the Middle East conflict, former news anchor of World News for Middle East television, founder of AmericanCongressforTruth(com), April 8, 2006
MUSLIMS MUZZLING MEMPHIS
Universities, for those of us who lecture on campuses, are the battleground for the heart and soul of the next generation of leaders. They are the battleground where we must fight to win back the opinions and allegiance of American college students. This is made harder when Islamists in both the college and local communities try to intimidate us and deny our free speech on campuses in some of the least likely places.
We have grown to expect these things on the major East and West Coast cities “elite” university campuses that harbor radical professors and anarchist student and radical Muslim community activities. But not in the heartland where I spoke last week at the University of Memphis. What was shocking was that it occurred in the South, in “Bubbaland” as my friends from the region call it.
I was invited to give a lecture sponsored by Professor David Patterson of the Judaic Studies Program. When news about my appearance spread, the Muslim community both on and off campus launched a full-scale campaign to stop my lecture. They demanded that Dr. Patterson cancel my speech. E-mails flooded the University of Memphis administration and Dr. Patterson from Muslim students on campus and Muslims in the community and mosques....
It is interesting to see the reaction of the Muslim community to someone with Muslim-fired shrapnel in her body who speaks against butchering innocent people in the name of Allah. If they would put the same energy into condemning the radical element within Islam and join us in saying that slaughtering people in the name of Allah is murder not Jihad, maybe we wouldn’t be tempred to question their loyalty as American citizens. Dr. Patterson refused to bow to their intimidation and insisted on going on with the scheduled speech.
By the time I showed up at the amphitheater style lecture hall on campus, police officers were already standing at each entrance. Nearly half of the hall was filled with Muslims with their leaders dressed Osama Bin Laden style sitting in the front two rows at eye level making “their point,” that I wasn’t going to get away with speaking freely.
Just as the program was about to begin, a Muslim student walked to the front and asked the crowd to raise their hands if they believed that this lecture was “undemocratic.” They complained that I would be taking questions on cards instead of allowing them to ask them publicly. Experienced in these settings, I knew they would make speeches, spew anti American and Israeli sentiments and create chaos in the room during the Q&A. I decided that they were not going to do that. The provocative Muslim student behavior before I even began my lecture proved my foresight. Dr. Patterson explained that taking questions from cards distributed to the audience was normal protocol at university speaking events like mine.
Patterson tried to calm the unruly crowd but nothing was working. Fed up, I went straight to the podium and ordered everyone to sit. I told them, this is my lecture and I run the show. If they didn’t like the way I conducted my lecture and my questions they could leave the room, now. Shocked at my behavior and authority they shut-up. The non-Muslim members of the audience applauded.
I finished, asked Professor Patterson to make introductory remarks and returned to my seat.
Dr. Patterson introduced me by telling the audience what an eye opener this lecture had become because of the reaction. He stated that he never realized that here in Memphis a speaker should be threatened for his/her safety just to speak on a college campus. He introduced me and I delivered my speech with police officers on both sides as well as about eight others in the lecture hall and around the building.
Unknown to me, a Muslim student attending the University of Memphis was arrested weeks prior to my lecture for, among other things, possession of DVD’s on pilot training and charts on the layout of the Memphis airport. They found links on his computer to sites associated with a radical Sunni Muslim organization in Iraq, and searches for information on how guns and bombs can be smuggled past airport security. After witnessing the Muslim reaction to my lecture and what happened few weeks ago at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill when an Iranian Muslim student drove into, for Allah’s sake, innocent students gathering on university grounds, the Memphis police were not going to take any chances.
It is a sad state of affairs when any speaker on any American University campus has to be surrounded by police officers to protect their freedom of speech and person from intimidation and menace. America is the country where free speech is protected under our constitution. Who would have expected that in the home of the Beale Street Blues, W.C. Handy and Elvis, I would be confronted by Muslims trying to muzzle my free speech and perhaps all of us?
At the end of the lecture the Muslims immediately in front swarmed over me questioning and intimidating. Police officers quickly moved in and pulled me out straight to the police cars as the enraged Muslims started shouting.
Based on what happened to me in Memphis, I think its time for Americans to wake up as to what is occurring within their very midst. It is time to be energized and empowered to stand up and fight to take back our universities. Its incidents like this that spurs speakers like me to defend our civilization and everything it stands for.
ConservativeAlerts(com), July 23, 2005
Exposing myth after myth of the "Islam means peace" establishment, Robert Spencer, in The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam tackles all the hot-button issues regarding Islam and the Crusades, including:
1. Mohammed: the "Perfect Man"? That's how Muslims regard him. Details about his character and in Mohammed's career of bloody conquest that make him a dangerous role model
2. The roots of Islamic terrorism and violence in the Koran
3. The Crusades: not acts of unprovoked aggression by Europe against the Islamic world, but a delayed response to centuries of Muslim aggression
4. The stifling effect Islam has on science and free inquiry, accounting for its failure to prosper -- and hence its murderous envy of the West
5. How the much-ballyhooed (and grossly exaggerated) "Golden Age" of Islamic culture was largely inspired by non-Muslims
6. The ghastly lure of Islam's X-rated Paradise for suicide bombers and jihad terrorists
7. How Mohammad ordered -- and rejoiced in -- the assassinations of his enemies. How he lied and broke treaties as a matter of course
8. Islamic law: how it institutionalizes oppression of Christians, Jews and other non-Muslims in Islamic societies
9. How the Koran and Islamic law treat women as nothing more than possessions of men
10. Islam's only overarching moral principle: "if it's good for Islam, it's right"
11. Why Western leaders who think non-Muslims can "win hearts and minds" among Islamic jihadists are naïve
12. Why modern-day jihad warriors despise democracy and will do all they can to resist it
By Mark Woodland
SALVATION -- From Pornography to Christianity: A Muslim Finds Christ
Morocco is a country of exotic people and culture. It is an Islamic country that is home to one of the largest mosques in the world. It's a place where you might not expect to find pornography, but young Yusef had found it....It had become his favorite pastime - cruising the satellite channels for the latest pornographic movies....Yusef was empty. He grew up in very poor family, and there was nothing in life that he looked forward to. So Yusef turned to pleasure. One day while watching another pornographic movie, his mind filled with decadent images, Yusef encountered something unexplainable.
"I was watching the movie and I thought I heard someone coming," Yusef said. "So I quickly changed the channel and there was a program I had never seen called The 700 Club. When I went to change back to finish the movie - the remote control did not work. And we weren't able to change the station manually either!"
But suddenly, Yusef felt strangely drawn to the story on the screen about another man, much like him, whose life was empty too.
"That man was hopeless and I was the same," Yusef said. "So what was the solution? It was the voice that told him that he needed a change - on the inside. That was the thing I focused on."
Yusef began to want what he saw in this young man whose heart was changed. He wanted the emptiness in his own heart to be filled, but he had no idea how to fill it.
"I had no idea about Christianity, but I felt like something was working in me," Yusef said. "But I didn't know what it was. It felt like someone was pushing me from the inside. Suddenly, I found myself praying the same way they were praying on the program. As they prayed, I prayed with them. I repeated the same words they said and I felt something beautiful! I felt filled up."
Yusef was so excited about what was happening inside, he knew he must find a Bible. But he now realized he was a stranger in his own land. How would learn more about the Lord?
"I had found a Bible at an old market," Yusef said, "but my family started harassing me. One day while I was in another city…someone got rid of my first Bible."
In spite of his loss, God was not about to abandon Yusef. One day while leaving a café, a second miracle happened His waiter approached him and gave him a book saying 'you left this on your table!" That book was a Bible!
"I took the Bible and decided to read it and knew that I would be rewarded with the right knowledge. I started trying to understand and live according to the word," Yusef said.
The change that Jesus is making in Yusef's life is giving him peace on the inside. Yusef admits it hasn't made it easy to exist in a society that is hostile to anyone that abandons Islam.
Yusef said, "As a regular person you will be cast out of the society, you could be taken to court; they will not leave you alone. You will be put to shame and you could be killed because you are perceived as infidel."
Yet God continues to protect him even after family and friends learned that he had converted to Christianity.
"People thought I went insane," Yusef said. "But what was amazing is that all of those people would come to me in private and question me trying to see what if what I found out about God is really the truth. Those people had no inner peace, and even when they are convicted with the truth they hide it and can't proclaim it. They fear the community. But I can tell when people start to believe."
And what does Yusef think about Jesus today?
"He saved me, taught me how to live a different life not like the one I lived before. I feel honored but at the same time I feel like I have a responsibility towards those around me. The Lord saved you; you have to help bring those around you to salvation as well."....
From: Jerry Falwell, February 11, 2005
FORMER MUSLIM BECOMES DEAN OF LIBERTY BAPTIST THEOLOGICAL SEMINARY
On February 4, to the surprise of thousands of Liberty University students, I arose in a convocation service to announce that Dr. Ergun Caner, a converted Sunni Muslim and son of an ulema (Muslim scholar), was to be the first former Muslim to become the dean of an evangelical seminary in the United States. In fact, he will become dean of Liberty Baptist Theological Seminary on the campus of Liberty University....
The announcement came on the heels of Dr. Danny Lovett, present dean of Liberty Baptist Theological Seminary, announcing that he was accepting the role of president at Tennessee Temple University in Chattanooga, Tenn. Dr. Lovett has been the deeply beloved dean of LBTS for 12 years.
Dr. Caner, 38, has been a very popular professor in the School of Religion of Liberty for two years, and has become known for his humorous and pointed preaching and his national profile, as well as his large classes.
He is today one of the most electrifying speakers and defenders of the faith that I have ever heard. I am proud to call him a friend and so thankful that God has sent him to Liberty to lead what I believe will be a revolution in seminary education on this campus. Dr. Caner has also become a voice for evangelical Christianity in the national media, debating Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus and Bah’ai leaders on more than 50 college and university campuses.
A Turkish immigrant who converted to Christianity in 1982, Dr. Caner immigrated with his family to America to build mosques in the Midwest. It was while he was in high school in Ohio that a young friend invited him to church and led him to Christ. He was subsequently disowned by his family.
In the years that followed, Dr. Caner surrendered to the Gospel ministry and continued his education. He received his Bachelor of Arts in Biblical Studies and Languages in 1989 from Cumberland College in Williamsburg, Ky. In 1992, he received his Master of Arts in History from the Criswell College in Dallas, Texas. In 1994, he received his Masters of Divinity from Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary in Wake Forest, N.C., and in 1995, he completed his Masters of Theology at Southeastern. In 2000, Dr. Caner received his Doctor of Theology from the University of South Africa in residence in Johannesburg.
Prior to coming to Liberty University as professor of Theology and Church History in 2003, Dr. Caner taught for two years at The Criswell College in the same field. He came to national attention in 2002, when his book “Unveiling Islam” (Kregel) became a best seller and eventual CBA Gold Medallion Award winner. Writing in tandem with his brother, Dr. Emir Fethi Caner, he has written 11 books in the field of world apologetics and history. The books have sold a combined quarter of a million copies and garnered three national book nominations.
As the students cheered at the announcement, perhaps no one was more stunned than Dr. Caner himself.
“I still see myself as that little church orphan boy, sitting in the pew in a country church outside of Columbus, Ohio,” Dr. Caner stated. “I cannot imagine how such a thing could come about.”
His vision for LBTS is specific: “We will develop the seminary into the leading evangelical institution for training Christians for a new generation. As I often say, God said go to all the world and preach the Gospel. By and large, we didn’t, so He brought the world to us. It is no longer sufficient to simply train graduate students in theory and abstract; we must challenge them to reach a world with 140 major religions, many of whom inhabit our shores. LBTS will set the standard for Global Apologetics on a world stage.”
Dr. Caner and his wife of 11 years, Jill, are the parents of two sons, Braxton (age six) and Drake, who was born last November.
July 30, 2003, WorldNetDaily(com)
FAITH UNDER FIRE -- Islamists butcher new Christian
Body of man who converted sent to family in 4 pieces
After slaughtering a Muslim-turned-Christian, Islamic extremists have reportedly returned the man's body to his Palestinian family in four pieces.
According to a report from the Barnabas Fund, the newly converted man left his friends and family earlier this month bound for a mountainous region of the Palestinian Authority area. He reportedly took Christian material with him – videos, cassette tapes and a Bible. After approximately 10 days, the body of the man, who left behind a wife and two small children, was returned to his home, having been cut into four pieces. The family believes the act was meant a warning to other Muslims who might consider becoming Christians.
The Barnabas Fund is withholding further details about the story due to concern for the safety of the family.
The organization records incidents of Christian persecution in the Holy Land and elsewhere, and works for changes in the way Islam is taught. Under Muslim sharia law, any male who leaves Islam faces the death penalty.
According to the Barnabas Fund, local Christians working to support converts from Islam report that Islamic militants in the Palestinian Authority area deliberately target converts. The terror group Hamas reportedly receives funding from Iran specifically for this purpose.
levitt(com), March 2002
"It was just before the Passover Feast. Jesus knew that the time had come for him to leave this world and go to the Father. Having loved his own who were in the world, he now showed them the full extent of his love" (John 13:1 NIV).
Dear Friends:
The Lord's Passover is nearly upon us and I am reminded once again of the "full extent" of Yeshua's love. Our Savior came to us, taught us, loved us, and gave Himself up for us as "the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world" (John1:29). He came to His own, the Jews, as promised to Abraham in Gen. 12:3, and through Abraham's children the good news of salvation has spread to the four corners of the globe. Yes, the nation is now in a general state of unbelief, but the Chosen People are returning to the Land as prophesied and it is clear that the time is drawing nigh for the Lord's return for His Bride (the Church) and the completion of His promises to Israel. And it is this message that remains the heart of our work.
It is our conviction that Israel sits at the crossroads of the world. And before anyone clucks his tongue at me for my being so pro-Israel, take a look at your world. Read the headlines. See what is making news today. It's Israel. It's 6 million Jewish people inhabiting a tiny sliver of land at the historic crossroads of world commerce, besieged on every side by neighbors who have come against them time after time. Ask yourself why a world of 6 billion people would be concerned at all with this country the size of Chicago. It must be God's will.
The Arab nations have as their goal the destruction of the people of God. Osama bin Laden and the Taliban used the plight of the so-called Palestinians as one reason why they attacked America. Saudi Arabia has recently stated that it is opposed to any policy that backs Israel. Iran has joined forces with Yasser Arafat to supply weapons for the destruction of Israel. The European Union has, in the face of Arafat's continued call for suicide bombings and failure to stop Hamas and Islamic Jihad, once again backhanded Israel for their efforts at fighting Palestinian terrorism; Europe has elevated Arafat again to the status of "peace partner." China, Indonesia, Malaysia, Pakistan, and a host of other nations focus their anger against the tiny nation of Jews that has survived millennia on that sliver of real estate. Even our best seminaries are relegating Israel to irrelevancy as they continue to downplay the status of the Chosen People in their End Times teaching. One professor, Dr. Homer Heater, stated on radio the possibility of Israel losing and being driven from the Land (chronicled in our book Battles with Seminaries). The animosity towards the Jewish people is unrelenting. Why? Because the Chosen People and the Promised Land are destined by God to be the focal point of history — past, present, and, prophetically, in the future. And as God said so plainly in Gen. 12:3, you will be blessed if you bless Israel; you will be cursed if you curse Israel. And some are right now choosing sides.
It seems that the world is divided into two parts these days concerning Islam and the Arab people in general. One group is very afraid of Arab infiltration into the U.S., the impinging upon Christianity by Islam, and the cultural clash Muslims bring. A second group receives these people with open arms and considers those among them who attacked the World Trade Center and carried out other terrorist campaigns to be radicals of whom we should certainly be afraid, but who nonetheless should not color our relationship with the "really good ones." President Bush might head up this second group. True, he's certainly going to get "The Evil Ones," but he still believes that "the enemy of America is not our many Muslim friends; it is not our many Arab friends" (his exact words).
In a recent White House press conference, spokesman Ari Fleischer stated that the president remains committed to the idea of a Palestinian state. This in view of polls in which 64% of Palestinians declared their support for further suicide bombings against innocent Israelis. What can be more counterproductive than this kind of policy? I like George Bush personally; I favored him to be my president. But on this issue I have to disagree 100% and wonder how in his right mind he could travel down such a dangerous road of foreign policy....
A friend of mine sent me an article just as I was sitting down to write you this letter, entitled "A Storied, Glorious Religion." Written by Rabbi Marc Gellman and Msgr. Thomas Hartman, two broadminded clergymen with a TV program called "The God Squad," the glorious religion they refer to and praise is Islam. Let me share with you some of their misguided insights.
"Islam is not a good religion — it's a great religion. For 1,600 years it has had no Inquisitions, sponsored no Crusades and had no Holocaust." Oh really? Sharia, or Islamic law, continues to be practiced today in ways civilized nations find reprehensible. For instance, Somalia enforces sharia and in a case involving thirteen suspected thieves, the Islamic officials sawed off their hands and feet, one at a time, to the roars of a cheering crowd in a large public stadium. A "great" religion? No inquisitions? It is even prescribed in Islamic law that young people who would dare to overly express their affections be hanged or beheaded, all in the guise of preserving "honor." This has been going on for 13 centuries.
No crusades, they say? But Muslim armies conquered 22 Middle East nations, spread themselves over the eastern hemisphere to Indonesia (now the world's largest Muslim population with 200 million people), and pushed their way up into Spain and France, "converting" poor souls with a blade to their throats. The one major crusade in Christianity did not have as its purpose land grabbing, but rather to reclaim of the Holy Land, the seat of the Christian faith, away from Muslims.
The Holocaust is not a fair comparison since it wasn't a religious event. But know that Islamic law, and the muftis who preach it, allow for the daily denigration of Muslim women — 50 percent of their population — simply because they are women. Fifty percent of the Jews throughout Europe were slaughtered simply because they were Jews.
The rabbi and priest continue to assert that the Jews were "warmly accepted in Muslim Turkey." True, as long as they paid horrific taxes for refusing to convert to Islam. The Jews in Turkey were invariably treated as second-class citizens.
What about Moroccan King Hassan, whom the authors claim refused to transport the Jews in his land to Hitler? Okay, but don't forget that at the same time the mufti of Jerusalem volunteered to send Hitler all the Jews in his area and encouraged this madman to finish the job of exterminating them.
The Quran asserts that "Jews and Christians are not unbelievers," the learned clergymen say, but fail to quote the verse that instructs followers to "kill the Jew wherever you find him." A jihad, they say, simply means to defend one's homeland. So, which lands were the Arabs defending when they hit the World Trade Center and killed over 3,000 innocent men, women, and children?
Finally, these Islam-loving counselors attempt to portray Osama bin Laden and his brand of terrorism as uncommon and unusual. If that's true, then why on Sept. 11 did we see the Muslim world from the Middle East to Indonesia cheering in the streets with wild celebrations and days upon days of anti-American demonstrations? The U.S. does not, in fact, have a real coalition with the Muslim world and Arabs in America are not turning over the al Qaida members in their communities, because to genuine followers of Islam, America deserved what it got on 9-11 and, frankly, deserves more.
As I have stated often, we will lose this war on terrorism if we don't wake up and see the majority of the Arab world for what they really are, religious zealots intent on conquering all infidels.
One of their leaders is Moussa Abu Marzook. On a recent 60 Minutes program, CBS newsman Steve Kroft visited a posh Beirut hotel to chat with Marzook, a top leader of the terrorist network Hamas (and named on the State Department's list of terrorists). Decked out in a beautiful American-style suit, surrounded by thuggish bodyguards, the giggling murderer admitted that Hamas is developing missiles with a range of six miles, sufficient to strike any Israeli neighborhood in Jerusalem. It's only Jews he wants to kill, he says and, of course, "they've stolen my country."
....60 Minutes seemed taken aback by Marzook's brash admission of killing innocent civilians, apparently caught unawares that he (or any other human being) could say such things.
Marzook fell over his own feet trying to demonstrate that Hamas doesn't wish any ill will to bystanders. This is a laugh when considering that the Palestinians brought down Pan Am 103, highjacked the Achille Lauro, have killed any number of Americans (which we were too polite to protest), and burn American flags on a daily basis. The lie is so big it almost won't fit even on 60 Minutes. Kroft was guilty of letting Marzook claim an equivalency between collateral casualties that sometimes occur when Israelis take out a Palestinian police station or have a fight with terrorists laden with suicide bombs that go off in shopping malls. He simply nodded as if he himself did not understand that innocent causalities, such as those in Afghanistan during our pursuit of al Qaida and the Taliban, are going to happen when people pick up weapons in response to provocations by the other side.
Later in the evening on Fox News, former Congressman Bob Dornan of California put into plain words that most imams (Muslim spiritual leaders) in American mosques are preaching "Hitlerian anti-Semitism." He wondered when we were going to do something about Saudi Arabia, which he considers our worst enemy, and who our government pretends is a good friend. Dornan pointed out that Saddam Hussein is getting his hands on every kind of weapon of mass destruction even as we dither.
Dornan is only one of many in this second group who sees the Arabs as having far too much access to our shores. Pat Buchanan's theory, posited in his new book Death of the West, is that not just Muslims, but all sorts of minority groups come to America while maintaining their loyalties and ties back to their original homelands. These immigrants, he states, are taking this country apart. It is interesting that up until this generation, people who arrived here became Americans, naturalized citizens, patriotic Americans, etc., but lately we've become a nation of ethnic groups with loyalties off shore....The Arabs, however, are the only minority here with a plan to overthrow our nation ("The Great Satan"). Frankly, it would be difficult to accuse the Hispanics, the Blacks, the Jews, or any other group of trying to overthrow the U.S.
Any nation that allies itself with Israel will find itself a target of Islam, because at its heart, the religion of Mohammed seeks the total destruction of the Jewish people. Will this happen in our new climate of global Islamic terrorism? Many now fear the overt anger of Islamists around the world and try to placate them by opening their arms and seeing the "good" in a religion that fosters hatred of Jews and Christians. But this Pollyanna approach towards the Arab world is simply dangerous and quite possibly could lead to the downfall of nations that insist on playing such naïve games.
However, what remains my anchor and hope is not our ability as a nation to deal with terrorists, but my trust in our Lord. We may not know every event that will occur just prior to the Rapture (though it's obvious that the Lord's return must be near), but we are assured in Scripture that the King of kings will settle all accounts, not only for us personally, but also for those nations that oppose Him and His Chosen People. Israel will stand and be victorious in the end because the King of the Jews will fight for them. This is their hope and ours; it is an evidence of the "great extent" of His unfailing love, which Jesus demonstrated for us on that last Passover He attended in Jerusalem. May God give you unwavering faith in His glorious promises and allow you great spiritual influence during the time that remains!....And please remember to pray for the peace of Jerusalem....
Commentary by R. Albert Mohler, Jr., Pesident of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, June 18, 2002
LOUISVILLE, Ky. (BP)--The public panic attack over Dr. Jerry Vines' statements on Muhammad remind us that controversies can produce both heat and light -- but this will require cool and careful thinking.
Preaching to the Southern Baptist Convention's Pastors' Conference, Dr. Vines reminded the preachers of their responsibility to preach salvation through Jesus Christ, and through Jesus Christ alone. In the course of these remarks, he made comments about the biography of Muhammad, known to Muslims as the Prophet. Fury quickly followed.
The response of the Muslim community was predictable. The man they honor as the Prophet had been criticized as a "demon-possessed pedophile." Given the sensitivities of our modern age, this seems an intolerable breach of inter-religious ethics. Those familiar with the history of Muslim-Christian relations would recognize old and enduring points of argument. Dr. Vines has invited Muslim scholars to explain the statements of their own historical sources, from which he had drawn his comments.
We should note, however, that the flashpoint of the controversy is really not the accuracy of Dr. Vines' comments, and he has identified his sources. The real source of outrage is the fact that he -- or anyone else, for that matter -- would say such a thing in our politically correct age. His comments broke the rules that secular Americans and their liberal Christian counterparts had long ago adopted.
Tolerance has been repackaged to mean that everyone is right, no one's deepest beliefs can be challenged, and one system of belief is just as good as another. Postmodern America has exchanged truth for therapy and is more concerned about how people feel than how they believe. Modern ideas of politeness trump concern for truth.
Historian John Murray Cuddihy calls this the "culture of civility." The most that many Americans can say is they "happen" to belong to this or that "faith community." It is as if they just fell into it -- and it doesn't really matter. It would be impolite to argue otherwise.
Modern Christians did not invent the idea that salvation comes through Jesus Christ -- the sinless Savior -- and through no one else. It was Christ who identified himself as "the Way, the Truth and the Life," and specified that "no one comes to the Father but through Me." Liberal Christianity has abandoned this belief -- along with many others -- but orthodox Christianity stands or falls with our commitment to hold all biblical truth as non-negotiable.
The authentic gospel includes hard truths that cannot be negotiated away with soft words. Dr. Vines is standing in good company as he preaches that salvation comes only through faith in Christ. He cannot escape teaching that Christianity is superior to all other systems of belief. He loves the gospel and he loves seeing men and women come to faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and receive the gift of eternal life....
Dr. Vines has been accused of bigotry and hate-speech. He has been castigated as uncaring, uncompassionate and uncivil. I know Dr. Jerry Vines as a dear friend, and as a faithful pastor, compassionate evangelist, and seeker of souls. He did not question the right of Muslims to be Muslims nor would he coerce anyone to become a Christian. He loves persons enough to tell them the truth. He offers them the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Christianity and Islam have been engaged in a battle for souls for more than a thousand years. Postmodern politeness insists that none of this really matters. Bible-believing Christians and Muslims faithful to their own beliefs both agree that the truth matters supremely. We must respect each other enough to speak what we firmly believe to be the truth. We must love each other enough to be honest -- even when it doesn't seem polite.
Religious Freedom Coalition
Unveiling Islam: An Insider's Look at Muslim Life and Beliefs
by Ergun Mehmet Caner and Emir Fethi Caner
This is the compelling book which Dr. Jerry Vines quoted at the Southern Baptist Convention, which caused a firestorm of controversy in the liberal press and brought Muslim protesters onto the floor of the convention. The Caner brothers, both respected Baptist seminary professors and theologians, were raised as Sunni Muslims and disowned by their father when they became Christians. Their father never spoke to them again until he was on his deathbed, and he died still rejecting the Savior his sons had found.
Had Ergun or Emir Caner converted to Christianity in a Muslim country, they would have been executed, not just disowned. This is one of the most interesting and knowledgeable books on the subject of Islam I have read, because the authors were actually brought up as observant Muslims and after their conversion to Christianity became Biblical scholars and teachers.
Chuck Colson, BreakPoint, April 30, 2002, September 30, 2002
"We must disabuse our friends of the notion that all religions and belief systems are basically the same. They’re not. If grace is at the heart of Christianity while obeying rules is at the heart of Islam, the two will produce radically different cultures. And this is exactly what has happened....Of course, we want all Americans to love our Muslim neighbors, but Christians ought to love them enough to want to lead them to a true religion of love....When Jesus told us to 'preach the Gospel to all nations,' He included Muslims. In the light of September 11, I believe, Muslims should be having doubts about their own religion and, perhaps, be open to the Gospel."
(Matthew 24:14; Mark 13:10; 16:15)
I do hereby call upon the people....[to] offer to our Almighty and all-gracious God, through our Great Mediator, our sincere and solemn prayers for His Divine assistance and the influences of His Holy Spirit.
--Jonathan Trumbull, Esq., 1710-1785, British Governor of Connecticut -- as pre-Revolutionary colony and post-Revolutionary state
KJV John 6:43 Jesus...said.... 44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
KJV John 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. 12:46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness. 9:5 As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.
KJV Matthew 10:32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. Luke 12:8 ...also confess before the angels of God.
KJV Matthew 5:13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men. 14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. 15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. 16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
KJV 2 Corinthians 4: 3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. 5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake. 6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
KJV 1 Corinthians 12:3 ...No man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
KJV 1 Timothy 2:5 ...There is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.
KJV John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Pray our omnipotent Father will cause the light of His Son to shine even when people prefer the darkness.
-- The Voice of the Martyrs
Posted by: Dylith
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1. Mohammed: the "Perfect Man"? That's how Muslims regard him. Details about his character and in Mohammed's career of bloody conquest that make him a dangerous role model
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This isn't true. Islam does not teach that Muhammad is perfect. The only perfect prophet in Islam is Jesus, Muhammad was simply "the greatest" because he was the last, he was the "seal of the prophets."
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2. The roots of Islamic terrorism and violence in the Koran
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Not true. Modern Islamic terrorism springs not from the Qur'an but from the teachings of a man by the name of Sayyid Qutb who was executed for his beielfs in Egypt. People such as Osama bin Laden are students of his ideologies. In fact, under Sharia law waging war against society as Qutbism preaches is considered a terrible crime.
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3. The Crusades: not acts of unprovoked aggression by Europe against the Islamic world, but a delayed response to centuries of Muslim aggression
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Very inaccurate. The Muslim world was far from being unified. The crusades didn't even affect most of the "Muslim world" It wasn't even a war against the early Muslim caliphates it was a war against invading Turkish fighters who had just got done surplanting the last remanants of the Abbasid Dynasty. Thinking the Muslim world was in any way unified against the west at this point is silly. The Muslim world at this point was made up of city states and minor dukedoms that waged war against each other.
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The stifling effect Islam has on science and free inquiry, accounting for its failure to prosper -- and hence its murderous envy of the West
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Once against, not true. Flight was discovered in the Muslim world way before it was in Europe. The Muslim world was the founder of Optics, windmills and modern methods of glass blowing and gem cutting. Mosques doubled as schools of science in the Muslim world, something that was relatively unheard of in Medieval Christian Europe.
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5. How the much-ballyhooed (and grossly exaggerated) "Golden Age" of Islamic culture was largely inspired by non-Muslims
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True, to some extent. The Muslim world was what preserved western culture during the dark ages. They kept safe and expanded upon Greek writing and sciences from the east. They brought on the golden age of growth for Europe, without them our culture would have lost all of that.
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Islamic law: how it institutionalizes oppression of Christians, Jews and other non-Muslims in Islamic societies
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Worded very poorly. It is a very large misconception that Sharia law is a single ideology. There are many many schools of thought within the Islamic world when it comes to Sharia and none of them have a majority. the lagest school of thought (Hanafi) does not discriminate against Christians and Jews and allows them to even live in local autonomy so that they do not have to live under Islamic law. The same is true for most other branches of Sharia. It is only radical groups who follow the notion of Takfir that reject Chistian, Jews and even other Muslims.
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How the Koran and Islamic law treat women as nothing more than possessions of men
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Once again, not true. Muhammad said that women should be viewed as "twin halves of men" meaning as equals. The Qur'an also speaks very highly of them saying that you are to honor your mother above your father.
Posted by: Rachel R
Then how to you explain the horrors women experience under Sharia law?
There is no way to justify anything about them as long as they treat women like slaves and worse.
And there is no group that hates Israel more.
They are the sworn enemies of Israel and work to her destruction.
Any chance of that changing?
Rachel R
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Then how to you explain the horrors women experience under Sharia law?
There is no way to justify anything about them as long as they treat women like slaves and worse.
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Sharia law is not constant there are many many different schools, some of the most conservative do mistreat women like in Saudi Arabia, but that is Hanbali Sharia law which only Saudi Arabia follows! only 3% of Muslims use that and they are only classified as such because they living in Saudi Arabia. They are very radical and the supression of women is non-scriptual and does not come from the Qur'an. It is cultural.
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And there is no group that hates Israel more.
They are the sworn enemies of Israel and work to her destruction.
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The reason why the Jews were living in the area was because Christian Europe was persecuting them. That's why they sided with the Muslims against the eastern roman empire. Yes, Israel is a touchy subject in the middle east now, but it has way more to do with cultural and political matters than it does with religious ones. And like I said only 20% of muslims even come form Arab nations most don't live in them.
You make blanket satements about an entire religion simply because a small portion of them do something? Should I say that Christianity is a religion of war and terrorism because of Christian groups like the LRA and the nagaland rebels?! of course not! I would hope that you would show Islam the same courtesy.
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Any chance of that changing
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Yes it is. the fastest gwoing school and the largest school of thought in Islam is also the most liberal. (Hanafi which makes up 45% of all Muslims).