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Posted by: LongTermBreak

I am just wondering.
But is there anything in the bible that says eating meat is againest God in anyway?
Just a random question.. hope that makes sense!
Thanks.


Posted by: MarkSentMe

In the Old Testament there were forbidden foods: owl, rabbit, pigs, things that creep on the ocean floor...
But in the New Testament, Jesus stated that what God has made clean, we are not to declare unclean.
Catholics don't eat meat on Fridays, but that was a decree from a pope during WWII, not a Biblical command. I think John Paul II recanted that decree several years back.


Posted by: Missamae80

That was a pretty good question with a really good answer!


Posted by: MamaCat

Quote:
Originally Posted by LongTermBreak
I am just wondering.
But is there anything in the bible that says eating meat is againest God in anyway?
Just a random question.. hope that makes sense!
Thanks.
Some meat is considered 'unclean' and is unhealthy in any Testament!

Are things ARE permissible, but not all things are beneficial.

God did give us permission to consume meat in Genesis as opposed to just herbs/seeds/fruit/veggies, etc.


Posted by: Christian Commando

Interesting MamaCat. Please show the Scripture. All I found was God declared every herb bearing seed, and every tree in which is the fruit of a tree yeilding seed; to you it shall be for meat. (Word "meat" in this instance is translated "food" in old Hebrew).

God Bless!!


Posted by: MarkSentMe

Blood and diseased animals are forbidden.

There is the story of Peter who would not eat the animal that God sent down. Jesus said that what the Father has declared clean no one should declare unclean. When Peter refused it again, God took it back.


Posted by: Christian Commando

I suggest looking at Acts 10:9-18. Here it describes what is now clean and can be eaten-

V 12- "Wherein all manner of four-footed beasts of the earth, and wild beasts and creeping things and fowls of the air."

v13- And there came a voice to him, Rise Peter, kill and eat."

There are no meats forbidden to be eaten in the New Test. Only blood products and diseased meats as MarkSentMe mentioned are to be avoided.

Actually, Peter refused 3 times before God took the "sheet" back to Heaven- v 16. And still, Pater questioned within himself what this vision should mean-v 17.

In v 18, Peter gets his answer, when three Gentiles come to seek Peter to see Cornelius, a Gentile centurion.- vs 19- 22.


Posted by: MamaCat

1 And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.
2 And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered.
3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.

Is that what you mean, CC?


Posted by: Christian Commando

aaaahhhh yes, my mistake for forgetting that. Thank you big Sis. And here is another point-

God still stands on the Old Test command from Noah's Day concerning the meat and how it is to be eaten-

Gen. 9:4- "But the flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat."

This shows the same in the New Test where we are to prepare-(cook) meat, before eating it as we are not to consume meat that is raw enough the blood is still evident in it.

Thank you for the help sis!

God Bless!


Posted by: Rachel R

Watching society slide farther and farther into addictions I question whether the basis of all addiction is hunger.

Food now are so processed, so far from the source, that there is no life in them.

Could it be that we hunger for healthy, life-filled food, and so run to addiction for satisfaction?

Rachel R


Posted by: Christian Commando

Hi Sis, yes, you are quite right about your suggestion. While some raw meats as steaks, flliets, roasts and other types of "cuts" still do have plenty of blood in them, the studying I've done with the feeding and processing habits of man concerning all commercially grown foods, proves the products used in the raising and processing of foods, animal and vegetation are detrimental to our bodies.

For instance, as with diabetes, studies have shown that a foriegn substance was found to effect the cells that take in the proper nutrient from our blood that helps make insulin- (can't remember scientific name for it).

Not to mention, further studies have shown that other foriegn substances that effect the processing cells of insulin are also effected. It was proven, eating of particular foods with a naturally found mineral, can disolve those foriegn blocking substances and tests have proven the body started processing and producing more normal levels the longer this mineral was ingested.

The products man uses in the raising of crops, cattle and more for human consumption has beem proven damaging to the human body. The world just does not consider the lower amounts at at time will hurt us. The problem? Testing has proven when taken in daily, the small amounts eventually build up more and more in our bodies, causing problems later on.

The other problem is, all the pesticides, herbicides, weed killers, bug killers for plant production was proven found in trace amounts to higher in commercial grown vegetables, fruits, etc.

The growth hormones, medicines and more fed to cattle for milk or meat production was found in trace and higher levels in the milk and meat of the animals. But, not considered dangerous for man's consumption. Well, I say, maybe not in the short term, but in the long term, each foriegn substance causes different levels of damage per person, as there are individuals ingesting them.

God Bless!!


Posted by: Christian Commando

Ok, heres a question I'd like some responces from- After man's fall from Grace, why did God now condone the eating of meat products, when all He gave man originally to eat in his perfected state was vegetation products?

God Bless!!


Posted by: GODS Grace

The penalty of sin is death.
Abels atonement blood sacrifice sin offering was excepted since life is in the blood. (Leviticus 17:11) (Heb. 9:22; 11;4)
Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.
The lamb which represents Christ Jesus was innocent and harmless.
The blood offering of the innocent lamb confesses Abel a sinner in need of forgiveness.
God told Moses to tell the priest that offered it for sin was to eat it.(Leviticus 6:24-26; 7:7-15

Is that what your asking? Or are you wanting to talk about the mercy seat (throne of grace)?


Posted by: BrendaMagana

The Bible the most beautiful of any written books, is a gift of a lifetime for Believers. It offers practical advice on virtually all aspects of life.

Our dietary laws as Christians are outlined in the Word in crystal-clear details.
Here are just some of additional verses to back-up the many verses other Saints have already provided:

Mark 7:18-19
And He saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him; Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?


1 Tim. 4:1-5
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

Master Jesus in a clear vision to Apostle Peter declared all foods to be clean, including animals- Acts 10:10-15.

Besides, after the Flood in Noah's time, God gave humanity permission to eat meat. See Genesis 9:2-3. This divine permission stand un-rescinded!!!

Thus whatever we as Christian decide to eat, we can be rest assured that this is acceptable to God as long as we thank Him for the bounties. (1 Thessalonians 5:18).

The Bible is certainly a divine compass that should help us make our way through life!!!


Posted by: Christian Commando

ok... correct me if wrong then, if I were to assume you both present Scriptures that would suggest God commanded, us to eat meat. Is that right?

If so, very good point. But, my question was "why" did He condone man eating meat?

God Bless!!


Posted by: GODS Grace

Let me make it clear that mercy and grace do not have the same meaning.
Grace is God's enabling power given freely to man.
Mercy is in regard to judgement.
So yes, "eating meat" is part of God reestablishes "grace" and "power" after the fall...
God gave Adam authority (covenant) and man gave his authority to satan at the fall…
Gen. 3: 20 says … And Adam called his wife’s name Eve, because she was the mother of all living things. If my translation is correct…”was” is past tense.
Eve allowed Satan’s rule over her and consequently the earthly realm which includes animals. Animals under satans rule eat each other instead of just plants. After the fall man not longer ruled over the earth.
God condoned animal to be killed and blood sled to cover their nakedness. It innocent blood acknowledged man’s fall (broken covenant) or sin...Leviticus 17:11 For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar; it is the blood that makes atonement for one's life.
Then, God judges the earth and mankind under satans authority with the flood.
God reestablishes authority on earth with the second Adam…including the command to judge murder.

God's Covenant With Noah
Gen. 9:1 Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth. 2 The fear and dread of you will fall upon all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air, upon every creature that moves along the ground, and upon all the fish of the sea; they are given into your hands. 3 Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything. 4 "But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it. 5 And for your lifeblood I will surely demand an accounting. I will demand an accounting from every animal. And from each man, too, I will demand an accounting for the life of his fellow man.

Man was given a share in God's judicial and earthy authority in order to protect the world from violence. (The death penalty is considered merciful because the execution of individual murderers stops violence before it spreads to the point that it mandates the judgment of a whole society)
6 "Whoever sheds the blood of man,
by man shall his blood be shed;
for in the image of God
has God made man.
7 As for you, be fruitful and increase in number; multiply on the earth and increase upon it." 8 Then God said to Noah and to his sons with him: 9 "I now establish my covenant with you and with your descendants after you 10 and with every living creature that was with you—the birds, the livestock and all the wild animals, all those that came out of the ark with you—every living creature on earth. 11 I establish my covenant with you: Never again will all life be cut off by the waters of a flood; never again will there be a flood to destroy the earth."12 And God said, "This is the sign of the covenant I am making between me and you and every living creature with you, a covenant for all generations to come: 13 I have set my rainbow in the clouds, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and the earth. 14 Whenever I bring clouds over the earth and the rainbow appears in the clouds, 15 I will remember my covenant between me and you and all living creatures of every kind. Never again will the waters become a flood to destroy all life. 16 Whenever the rainbow appears in the clouds, I will see it and remember the everlasting covenant between God and all living creatures of every kind on the earth." 17 So God said to Noah, "This is the sign of the covenant I have established between me and all life on the earth."
So, I believe that God condoning man to eat meat is part of establishing the second Adam's authority on earth, instead of satans.

Hope that helps, Grace to you!


Posted by: Christian Commando

God's Grace-

While you are correct in stating God originally gave man dominion over the earth, we must still realize, God never took that dominion away, and neither did satan.

Man did however, allow satan an ability to interact with the physical world, once we gave him that thru Eve's fall to temptation.

Yet, keep in mind, man, per person, still must make the choice- (dominion factor), which influence to allow ro govern thier thinking or decisions. Thus, man still has dominion over the earth, regardless.

Now, thru what Christ did, He died for our sins, but.... is still not King of Kings and Lord of Lord's yet of His government, as God clearly states, He will carry the government upon His Shoulders at His return, but not till then. (unto us, a Son is given), Well, He's not here yet to rule and reign for 1,000 years. Thats yewt to come.

And God shows in His Word, how it is man's decision, not God's, how much He will interact in our lives, according to the faith, belief, and loosing of our own control, over to God. Thus, man still has dominion over the earth, to dress it and keep it still.

But, aside from that, the actual reason for God condoning man to eat meat as a change in diet, I suggest has to do with God's having changed the diet of several other species of birds and animals as well.

The problem is, with sin entering the world and death by sin, we find all living creations are going to eventually die.

When this starts happening, the growing number of carcasses laying dead and decaying on the ground are going to start smelling. So, God changed the diet of a particular number of different species, to take care of this problem.

Question that? Consider the population of the earth coverage now, of all species of living creatures and the numbers that would be lying there decaying and smelling. That I believe is why, so the numbers left dead and decaying will not over populate any given area and smell it up.

Now, the above may not appear to be all so Biblically based, but I also say it is, since we know full well, there are only a select number of birds, animals, fish, etc that are carnivorous, where all life forms originally were vegetarian.

Remember the declaration of God about Christ's Kingdom to come, the sheep will lie down next to the lion. Why? How could it in this fallen state, knowing a lion will eat meat, so normallt attack it.?

Because, Christ will return the existance of our world, at least in part, back to where it was in its state of perfection, for living creatures- vegetarian.

God Bless!!

God Bless!!


Posted by: GODS Grace

My font is acting strange tonight ..
So, what do you propose the importance of God including eating animals in the Noah covenant and “The fear and dread of you will fall upon all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air, upon every creature that moves along the ground, and upon all the fish of the sea; they are given into your hands., if Noah knew he had this power or God's grace to do so already?

Grace to you


Posted by: Christian Commando

The above was my proposal, as God, being "all knowing", knew ahead of time how man would technologically advance and hunt all manner of creatures with various weaponry.

As such, God set this covenant with Noah, knowing full well, creatures would come to fear man as he advanced and would eventually hunt many species not just for food but for sport. This of course is how they would be delivered into man's hand and they would fear and dread us.

Outside of this country, how much of the animal world in more remote areas, are used to the mechanical wonders of transportation man has invented for reaching those areas, or used to the mechanical weaponry man uses to seek trophies there?

I believe while what God stated was a coveant with Noah, it was also a prophecy for later generations, knowing Noah would never comprehend what God knew was coming of man's technological advancements, no different than the Saint who spoke of Christ returning with "10,000's of His Saints" at His return, not being able to comprehend what "millions" meant at that time.

Another example is an Old Test Prophecy thru a vision speaking of chariots moving at incredible speeds with wheels on fire- This pertains to a modern day picture of fast moving cars where at evening hours, you can see the flames coming out thier exhaust, plus the glowing red tire surfaces of spinning tires on them. Both towards dark, light up like bright lights.

And I found out I'm not the only one who believes such things, as with particular ones of these examples, I've heard prominant ministers such as Jack Van Impre, Tim LaHaye, Hal Linsey, Grant Jeffries and others speak similar to the same beliefs as I'd mentioned here. But, most of them had more biblical references than I used, as apparently hadn't found or connected those to this belief, as they had.

God Bless!!


Posted by: GODS Grace

HE! HE! Earlier we were both replied while the other was editing.

[QUOTE=Christian Commando]
God's Grace-While you are correct in stating God originally gave man dominion over the earth, we must still realize, God never took that dominion away, and neither did satan.
“Man” did however, allow satan an ability to interact with the physical world, once “we gave him that” thru Eve's fall to temptation.
Yet, keep in mind, man, per person, still must make the choice- (dominion factor), which influence to allow ro govern thier thinking or decisions.
Thus, man still has dominion over the earth, regardless. (CC. QUOTE ENDS)

PLEASE IGNORE THE CAPITOLS THEY DON’T REFLECT MY TONE,
THE CAPITALS ARE JUST EASIER FOR ME TO SEE THIS LATE.:>
WHY IS satan REFERRED TO AS THE PRINCE OF “THIS WORLD”? (JN. 14:30 REFERS TO UNBELIEVERS)

(CC. QUOTE CONTINUES...)
Now, thru what Christ did, He died for our sins, but.... is still not King of Kings and Lord of Lord's yet of His government, as God clearly states, He will carry the government upon His Shoulders at His return, but not till then. (unto us, a Son is given), Well, He's not here yet to rule and reign for 1,000 years. Thats yewt to come. (END CC. QUOTE..)

WHEN JESUS RETURNED TO HEAVEN, HE WAS ‘RECEIVED UP INTO GLORY’. A CRUCIAL EVENT OCCURRED...
REV. 12:5, 7-10 "AND SHE [THE WOMAN, NATIONAL ISRAEL] BROUGHT FORTH A MAN CHILD...AND HER CHILD [JESUS] WAS CAUGHT UP UNTO GOD, AND TO HIS THRONE AND THERE WAS A WAR IN HEAVEN: MICHEAL AND HIS ANGELS FOUGHT AGAINST THE DRAGON; AND THE DRAGON FOUGHT AND HIS ANGELS, AND PREVEALED NOT; NEITHER WAS THEIR PLACE FOUND ANYMORE IN HEAVEN. AND THE GREAT DRAGON WAS CAST OUT, THAT OLD SERPENT, CALLED THE devil, and satan, WHICH DECEIVED THE WHOLE EARTH; HE WAS CAST OUT INTO THE EARTH, AND HIS ANGELS WERE CAST OUT WITH HIM. AND I HEARD A LOUD VOICE SAYING IN HEAVEN, NOW IS COME SALVATION, STRENGTH, AND THE KINGDOM OF GOD, AND THE POWER OF HIS CHRIST: FOR THE ACCUSER OF THE BRETHREN IS CAST DOWN, WHICH ACCUSED THEM BEFORE OUR FATHER DAY AND NIGHT."

AFTER JESUS WAS CAUGHT UP TO GOD AND THE THRONE, A GREAT WAR WAS FOUGHT IN HEAVEN BETWEEN MICHEAL AND THE satan. THIS RESULTED IN satan AND HIS demons EXPULSION TO EARTH.

EPH 1:17-22 "I KEEP ASKING THAT THE GOD OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST, THE GLORIOUS FATHER, MAY GIVE YOU THE SPIRIT OF WISDOM AND REVELATION, SO THAT YOU MAY KNOW HIM BETTER. I PRAY ALSO THAT HE EYES OF YOUR HEART WILL BE ENLIGHTENED IN ORDER THAT YOU MAY KNOW THE HOPE TO WHICH HE HAS CALLED YOU, THE RICHES OF HIS GLORIOUS INHERITANCE IN THE SAINTS, AND HIS INCOMPARABLY GREAT POWER FOR US WHO BELIEVE.THAT POWER IS LIKE THE WORKING OF HIS MIGHTY STRENGTH, WHICH HE EXERTED IN CHRIST WHEN HE WAS RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD AND SEATED HIM AT THE RIGHT HAND AT HIS RIGHT HAND IN THE HEAVENLY REALM, FAR ABOVE ALL RULE AND AUTHORITY, POWER AND DOMINION, AND EVERY TITLE THAT CAN BE GIVEN, NOT ONLY IN THE PRESENT AGE…BUT ALSO…IN THE ONE TO COME. AND GOD PLACED ALL THINGS UNDER HIS FEET AND APPOINTED HIM TO BE …HEAD OVER EVERYTHING IN THE CHURCH…" (Believers)

JESUS ALLOWS UNBELIEVERS TO CHOOSE TO STAY UNDER satan's EARTHLY/WORLDLY RULE. CHRIST CAME TO SET US FREE FROM satans’ POWER OR RULE OVER MANKIND…WE CAN NOT DO IT ALONE …THAT IS WHY MAN CONTINUALLY BROKE HIS COVENANT WITH GOD AND GOD GIVE THE HOLY SPIRIT TO DWELL WITHIN BELEIVERS.

ACTS 23:18 "TO OPEN THEIR EYES, AND TO TURN THEM FROM DARKNESS TO LIGHT, AND FROM “THE POWER OF satan” UNTO GOD, THAT THEY MAY RECEIVE FORGIVENESS OF SIN, AND INHERITANCE AMONG THEM WHICH ARE SANCTIFIED BY FAITH THAT IS IN ME."
GAL. 4 SAYS THAT "WE WERE IN BONDAGE UNDER THE ELEMENTS OF THE WORLD: BUT WHEN THE FULLNESS OF THE TIME WAS COME, GOD SENT FORTH JESUS, MADE OF A WOMAN UNDER THE LAW, TO REDEEM THEM"
COLOSSIANS 1:13 "WHO HATH DELIVERED US FROM THE “POWER OR KINGDOM OF DARKNESS”, AND HATH TRANSLATED US INTO THE KINGDOM OF HIS DEAR SON."
JESUS DEATH, RESURRESCTION, AND ASCENSION GAINED HIM COMPLETE MASTERY OVER satan (Heb 2:14; Col2:10, Rev 12:5-10).
HE OBTAINED THE KEYS OF HELL AND OF DEATH(REV1:18)AND CAN NOW DO WITH satan AS HE WILLS.
satan COUNTINUES AS PRINCE OR RULER OF THE "UNBELIEVERS", BUT satan CAN NOT ACT OUTSIDE OF GOD’S WILL, AND MUST REMAIN WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES SET BY GOD’S RULE. (SUPER COOL!)

LUKE 10:17-19"AND THE 70 RETURNED AGAIN WITH JOY, SAYING, LORD, EVEN THE devils ARE SUBJECT UNTO US THROUGH THY NAME. AND HE SAID UNTO THEM, I BEHELD satan AS LIGHTNING FALL FROM HEAVEN. BEHOLD, I GIVE UNTO YOU POWER TO THREAD ON SERPIONS, AND SCORPIONS, AND OVER ALL THE POWER OF THE ENEMY; AND NOTHING SHALL BY ANY MEANS HURT YOU."
MATT. 16:18, "I WILL BUILT MY CHURCH AND THE GATES OF HELL SHALL NOT PREVAIL AGAINST IT."
COL. 1:15-17 "HE IS THE IMAGE OF THE INVISIBLE GOD, FIRSTBORN OVER ALL CREATION. FOR BY HIM ALL THINGS WERE CREATED: THINGS IN HEAVEN ANDTHNGS ON EARTH, VISIBLE AND INVISIBLE, WHETHER THRONES OR POWER OR RULERS OR AUTHORITIES; ALL THINGS WERE CREATED BY HIM AND FOR HIM. HE IS BEFORE ALL THINGS AND IN HIM ALL THINGS ARE HOLD TOGETHER."....(THERE ARE MANY MORE VERSES THAT DECLARE CHRIST SUPREME AUTHORITY ...)

YOU SEE..JESUS IS PRESENTLY “KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORD’S’ (HE HAS THAT POWER) YET BECAUSE OF THE MERCY OF THE FATHER JESUS HASN’T EXECUTED FINAL JUDGEMENT OVER EARTHLY GOVERNMENT AND INSTEAD HE HAS PRESENTLY LEFT THAT UP TO HIS CHURCH. DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT THE HIGH PRIEST WORE OVER HIS SHOULDERS AND WHAT IT REPRESENTED? JESUS IS INTERCEDING AT THE RIGHT HAND OF THE FATHER IN THIS PLACE OF POWER . JESUS CALLS US INTO THAT PRIESTLY INTERCESSION FOR NATIONS AND LEADERS...HEBREWS 10:12-13 THIS IS WHY GOD INSTRUCTS US TO "HUMBLE OURSELVES"...NOT THE WICKED OR UNBELIEVING, UNSAVED PEOPLE.
THERE IS NO HIGHER GOVERNMENT...AND AS INTERCESSORS...THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHIN THAT GOES ON IN THE PENTIGON OR ELSEWHERE THAT GOD ISN'T AWARE OF AND CALLING FOR PEOPLE TO PRAY (BIND AND LOOSE ON EARTH).
MATT 28:18"ALL AUTHORITY HAS BEEN GIVEN TO ME (JESUS) IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH. GO THERFORE AND MAKE DISCIPLES OF ALL THE NATIONS..."

(C.C. QUOTE CONTINUES...)
God shows in His Word, how it is man's decision, not God's, how much He will interact in our lives, according to the faith, belief, and loosing of our own control, over to God. Thus, man still has dominion over the earth, to dress it and keep it still.

But, aside from that, the actual reason for God condoning man to eat meat as a change in diet, I suggest has to do with God's having changed the diet of several other species of birds and animals as well.
The problem is, with sin entering the world and death by sin, we find all living creations are going to eventually die.
When this starts happening, the growing number of carcasses laying dead and decaying on the ground are going to start smelling. So, God changed the diet of a particular number of different species, to take care of this problem. (CC. QUOTE ENDS)

GOD CREATED THE VULTURES AND MAGITS FOR THAT PURPOSE; PROTECTED BY THE LAW; THEY ARE IN GREAT SUPPLY IN THIS PART OF TEXAS. HA! HA!

(CC. QOUTE CONTINUES...)Question that? Consider the population of the earth coverage now, of all species of living creatures and the numbers that would be lying there decaying and smelling. That I believe is why, so the numbers left dead and decaying will not over populate any given area and smell it up. (CC QUOTE ENDS)

NOT SO SURE…THE “SMELL” OF DEATH THAT EXISTED DURING THE FLOOD DIDN’T STOP GOD BEFORE; NEITHER DOES EATTING MEAT ELIMANATE THE “SMELL” OF DEATH.
EVER SEEN WHAT OUR "FALLEN FLESH" LOOKS/ OR SMELLS LIKE TO GOD…IT’S PRETTY REPULSIVE…YUK! NOT APPETIZING AT ALL!
(CC QUOTE CONTINUES...)Now, the above may not appear to be all so Biblically based, but I also say it is, since we know full well, there are only a select number of birds, animals, fish, etc that are carnivorous, where all life forms originally were vegetarian.
Remember the declaration of God about Christ's Kingdom to come, the sheep will lie down next to the lion. Why? How could it in this fallen state, knowing a lion will eat meat, so normallt attack it.? (CC QOUTE ENDS)
JESUS INSTRUCTED US TO PRAY FOR "HIS KINGDOM TO COME, LET HIS WILL BE DONE ON EARTH" ...TODAY FOR OUR GENERATION... NOT JUST IN THE FUTURE EARTH...

(CC. QOUTE CONTINUES...)Because, Christ will return the existance of our world, at least in part, back to where it was in its state of perfection, for living creatures- vegetarian. (CC QUOTE ENDS)

ALSO, THERE IS NO DEATH IN HEAVEN, WE CAN BE “LEAF” LOVERS FOE ALL ETERNITY :> HE! HE!

God Bless YOU AS WELL…
THIS HAS BEEN AN INTERESTING TOPIC.

THANK YOU!!!



Posted by: Rachel R

(I sure hope there are steaks and hamburgers in our future life!~ How could it be heaven without BBQ? And what will we do about Texans? You give them any room at all and they will be runnin' cattle! )

Anyway...

Didn't the law ban some meats for health reasons?

Like lobster and shrimp because they are bottom feeders and gather the toxics from water?

And pork because it was easily contaminated and passed illness to human beings through the meat?

It seems like I remember that a lot of the food and sanitation and health laws that God laid down for his people make more sense now that modern science understands things a little better.

Rachel R


Posted by: Christian Commando

Hehe, God's Grace, I'll respond to you momentarily, but will respond to Rachel first if don't mind, hers is shorter and will need to wait to finish yours in total.

Rachel- Well, God makes it clear to Peter, all "animal kingdom" flesh is acceptable to eat now. Yet God speaks also, this is under the command all flesh is acceptable to eat when given in "thanksgiving".

Truth be known, if look at Old Test listing of "unclean" animals God forbade man to eat then, you'd find in records of them today, they are listed as some of the most illness carrying or spreading creatures, as well as carrying of parasites etc.

But, because God delares we are not to eat "blood products", its quite clear, the meat must be well cooked. Therefore, in sight of that, when well cooked, most all parasitic, viral or bacterial infections we could get, will be gone or killed in the meat, being of no effect to us.

God Bless!!


Posted by: Christian Commando

Quote:
Originally Posted by GODS Grace
HE! HE! Earlier we were both replied while the other was editing.

Happens to me quite often here hehe.

[QUOTE=Christian Commando]
God's Grace-While you are correct in stating God originally gave man dominion over the earth, we must still realize, God never took that dominion away, and neither did satan.
“Man” did however, allow satan an ability to interact with the physical world, once “we gave him that” thru Eve's fall to temptation.
Yet, keep in mind, man, per person, still must make the choice- (dominion factor), which influence to allow ro govern thier thinking or decisions.
Thus, man still has dominion over the earth, regardless. (CC. QUOTE ENDS)

PLEASE IGNORE THE CAPITOLS THEY DON’T REFLECT MY TONE,
THE CAPITALS ARE JUST EASIER FOR ME TO SEE THIS LATE.:>


Ok, have you got it out of your system now hehe- (just joking)


WHY IS satan REFERRED TO AS THE PRINCE OF “THIS WORLD”? (JN. 14:30 REFERS TO UNBELIEVERS)

Why? Because Adam and Eve, by heeding satan's deception, gave satan the free will to interact with ths physical world. Unbelievers, yes, because just as Christ spoke of Judas of Ascariot being "Diabolis"- (devil in human flesh), most unsaved people are influenced and living according to satan or his demons by his thoughts accepted over God's.

But remember, if satan wants to go after a Child of God personally, he must, as shown in Job 2:1 plus other references in Job, petition God first, as God still continues and holds control over what can happen to His Children, being our creator.



(CC. QUOTE CONTINUES...)
Now, thru what Christ did, He died for our sins, but.... is still not King of Kings and Lord of Lord's yet of His government, as God clearly states, He will carry the government upon His Shoulders at His return, but not till then. (unto us, a Son is given), Well, He's not here yet to rule and reign for 1,000 years. Thats yewt to come. (END CC. QUOTE..)

WHEN JESUS RETURNED TO HEAVEN, HE WAS ‘RECEIVED UP INTO GLORY’. A CRUCIAL EVENT OCCURRED...
REV. 12:5, 7-10 "AND SHE [THE WOMAN, NATIONAL ISRAEL] BROUGHT FORTH A MAN CHILD...AND HER CHILD [JESUS] WAS CAUGHT UP UNTO GOD, AND TO HIS THRONE AND THERE WAS A WAR IN HEAVEN: MICHEAL AND HIS ANGELS FOUGHT AGAINST THE DRAGON; AND THE DRAGON FOUGHT AND HIS ANGELS, AND PREVEALED NOT; NEITHER WAS THEIR PLACE FOUND ANYMORE IN HEAVEN. AND THE GREAT DRAGON WAS CAST OUT, THAT OLD SERPENT, CALLED THE devil, and satan, WHICH DECEIVED THE WHOLE EARTH; HE WAS CAST OUT INTO THE EARTH, AND HIS ANGELS WERE CAST OUT WITH HIM. AND I HEARD A LOUD VOICE SAYING IN HEAVEN, NOW IS COME SALVATION, STRENGTH, AND THE KINGDOM OF GOD, AND THE POWER OF HIS CHRIST: FOR THE ACCUSER OF THE BRETHREN IS CAST DOWN, WHICH ACCUSED THEM BEFORE OUR FATHER DAY AND NIGHT."

AFTER JESUS WAS CAUGHT UP TO GOD AND THE THRONE, A GREAT WAR WAS FOUGHT IN HEAVEN BETWEEN MICHEAL AND THE satan. THIS RESULTED IN satan AND HIS demons EXPULSION TO EARTH.

Very astute my friend, but, God, when expelled satan from Heaven the first time, it was only but from the 3rd Heaven, God's Domain. Satan has never been cast from the first and Second Heavens as of yet.

See, thats where people are confused in taking Revelation as having happened or is right now. It's not. Why?

God declares satan and his demons are moving around freely, yet bound in chains of darkness. These are not literal chains, but spiritual chains of sin.

Thus, what is spoken of in Revelation of satan's explusion from Heaven, will be that of out of all the Heaven's and unto the earth. "Woe to the inhabiters of the earth, for the devil has come down to you".

This is the point at which, during the Tribulation Period, as noted in Revelation where the beast finds one head hurt as was dead, but then to be healed again, is when satan is cast to the earth- (in Revelation) and incarnates the anti-christ after he is killed, to revive him and finish out the last of the Trib. Period.

This is why, if notice, the Tribulation Period degrades faster from there on towards war in the Middle East.

People can claim Revelation has already happened concerning satan's explusion from the Heaven's to the earth. The problem? Revelation had to have happened before man was created, for satan to have incarnated the serpent- (or appeared as the serpent, since God refers to satan as- "that old serpent, the devil").

But, if happened before man was created, how then could satan come back into Heaven and appear with God's Angels before God to petition about Job? See the confusion?

But no, rather, God has allowed satan and his demons to roam freely thru out the first and second Heavens, tho bound by sin, able, since decieving man, to interact with our physical world.





EPH 1:17-22 "I KEEP ASKING THAT THE GOD OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST, THE GLORIOUS FATHER, MAY GIVE YOU THE SPIRIT OF WISDOM AND REVELATION, SO THAT YOU MAY KNOW HIM BETTER. I PRAY ALSO THAT HE EYES OF YOUR HEART WILL BE ENLIGHTENED IN ORDER THAT YOU MAY KNOW THE HOPE TO WHICH HE HAS CALLED YOU, THE RICHES OF HIS GLORIOUS INHERITANCE IN THE SAINTS, AND HIS INCOMPARABLY GREAT POWER FOR US WHO BELIEVE.THAT POWER IS LIKE THE WORKING OF HIS MIGHTY STRENGTH, WHICH HE EXERTED IN CHRIST WHEN HE WAS RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD AND SEATED HIM AT THE RIGHT HAND AT HIS RIGHT HAND IN THE HEAVENLY REALM, FAR ABOVE ALL RULE AND AUTHORITY, POWER AND DOMINION, AND EVERY TITLE THAT CAN BE GIVEN, NOT ONLY IN THE PRESENT AGE…BUT ALSO…IN THE ONE TO COME. AND GOD PLACED ALL THINGS UNDER HIS FEET AND APPOINTED HIM TO BE …HEAD OVER EVERYTHING IN THE CHURCH…" (Believers)

JESUS ALLOWS UNBELIEVERS TO CHOOSE TO STAY UNDER satan's EARTHLY/WORLDLY RULE. CHRIST CAME TO SET US FREE FROM satans’ POWER OR RULE OVER MANKIND…WE CAN NOT DO IT ALONE …THAT IS WHY MAN CONTINUALLY BROKE HIS COVENANT WITH GOD AND GOD GIVE THE HOLY SPIRIT TO DWELL WITHIN BELEIVERS.

ACTS 23:18 "TO OPEN THEIR EYES, AND TO TURN THEM FROM DARKNESS TO LIGHT, AND FROM “THE POWER OF satan” UNTO GOD, THAT THEY MAY RECEIVE FORGIVENESS OF SIN, AND INHERITANCE AMONG THEM WHICH ARE SANCTIFIED BY FAITH THAT IS IN ME."
GAL. 4 SAYS THAT "WE WERE IN BONDAGE UNDER THE ELEMENTS OF THE WORLD: BUT WHEN THE FULLNESS OF THE TIME WAS COME, GOD SENT FORTH JESUS, MADE OF A WOMAN UNDER THE LAW, TO REDEEM THEM"
COLOSSIANS 1:13 "WHO HATH DELIVERED US FROM THE “POWER OR KINGDOM OF DARKNESS”, AND HATH TRANSLATED US INTO THE KINGDOM OF HIS DEAR SON."
JESUS DEATH, RESURRESCTION, AND ASCENSION GAINED HIM COMPLETE MASTERY OVER satan (Heb 2:14; Col2:10, Rev 12:5-10).
HE OBTAINED THE KEYS OF HELL AND OF DEATH(REV1:18)AND CAN NOW DO WITH satan AS HE WILLS.
satan COUNTINUES AS PRINCE OR RULER OF THE "UNBELIEVERS", BUT satan CAN NOT ACT OUTSIDE OF GOD’S WILL, AND MUST REMAIN WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES SET BY GOD’S RULE. (SUPER COOL!)

LUKE 10:17-19"AND THE 70 RETURNED AGAIN WITH JOY, SAYING, LORD, EVEN THE devils ARE SUBJECT UNTO US THROUGH THY NAME. AND HE SAID UNTO THEM, I BEHELD satan AS LIGHTNING FALL FROM HEAVEN. BEHOLD, I GIVE UNTO YOU POWER TO THREAD ON SERPIONS, AND SCORPIONS, AND OVER ALL THE POWER OF THE ENEMY; AND NOTHING SHALL BY ANY MEANS HURT YOU."
MATT. 16:18, "I WILL BUILT MY CHURCH AND THE GATES OF HELL SHALL NOT PREVAIL AGAINST IT."
COL. 1:15-17 "HE IS THE IMAGE OF THE INVISIBLE GOD, FIRSTBORN OVER ALL CREATION. FOR BY HIM ALL THINGS WERE CREATED: THINGS IN HEAVEN ANDTHNGS ON EARTH, VISIBLE AND INVISIBLE, WHETHER THRONES OR POWER OR RULERS OR AUTHORITIES; ALL THINGS WERE CREATED BY HIM AND FOR HIM. HE IS BEFORE ALL THINGS AND IN HIM ALL THINGS ARE HOLD TOGETHER."....(THERE ARE MANY MORE VERSES THAT DECLARE CHRIST SUPREME AUTHORITY ...)

YOU SEE..JESUS IS PRESENTLY “KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORD’S’ (HE HAS THAT POWER) YET BECAUSE OF THE MERCY OF THE FATHER JESUS HASN’T EXECUTED FINAL JUDGEMENT OVER EARTHLY GOVERNMENT AND INSTEAD HE HAS PRESENTLY LEFT THAT UP TO HIS CHURCH. DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT THE HIGH PRIEST WORE OVER HIS SHOULDERS AND WHAT IT REPRESENTED? JESUS IS INTERCEDING AT THE RIGHT HAND OF THE FATHER IN THIS PLACE OF POWER . JESUS CALLS US INTO THAT PRIESTLY INTERCESSION FOR NATIONS AND LEADERS...HEBREWS 10:12-13 THIS IS WHY GOD INSTRUCTS US TO "HUMBLE OURSELVES"...NOT THE WICKED OR UNBELIEVING, UNSAVED PEOPLE.
THERE IS NO HIGHER GOVERNMENT...AND AS INTERCESSORS...THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHIN THAT GOES ON IN THE PENTIGON OR ELSEWHERE THAT GOD ISN'T AWARE OF AND CALLING FOR PEOPLE TO PRAY (BIND AND LOOSE ON EARTH).
MATT 28:18"ALL AUTHORITY HAS BEEN GIVEN TO ME (JESUS) IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH. GO THERFORE AND MAKE DISCIPLES OF ALL THE NATIONS..."

Quite true my friend, but, as I had shown before, God declares "unto us a Son is given and the govenment shall be upon His Shoulders". Unto us a Son s given- (Bodily return to earth), and the government shall be upon His Shoulders- (for 1,000 year reign).

If at this point, Christ is in full control and has all authority, why is satan still running around loose? (1,000 year reign, and a strong Angel with a chain, bound satan, the Dragon and cast him into the bottomless pit for 1,000 years).

Yes, all authority was given to Christ, but will be administered at the proper time. Which is not yet come.

(C.C. QUOTE CONTINUES...)
God shows in His Word, how it is man's decision, not God's, how much He will interact in our lives, according to the faith, belief, and loosing of our own control, over to God. Thus, man still has dominion over the earth, to dress it and keep it still.

But, aside from that, the actual reason for God condoning man to eat meat as a change in diet, I suggest has to do with God's having changed the diet of several other species of birds and animals as well.
The problem is, with sin entering the world and death by sin, we find all living creations are going to eventually die.
When this starts happening, the growing number of carcasses laying dead and decaying on the ground are going to start smelling. So, God changed the diet of a particular number of different species, to take care of this problem. (CC. QUOTE ENDS)

GOD CREATED THE VULTURES AND MAGITS FOR THAT PURPOSE; PROTECTED BY THE LAW; THEY ARE IN GREAT SUPPLY IN THIS PART OF TEXAS. HA! HA!

I'll remember that to avoid ever moving there hehe. Thanks

(CC. QOUTE CONTINUES...)Question that? Consider the population of the earth coverage now, of all species of living creatures and the numbers that would be lying there decaying and smelling. That I believe is why, so the numbers left dead and decaying will not over populate any given area and smell it up. (CC QUOTE ENDS)

NOT SO SURE…THE “SMELL” OF DEATH THAT EXISTED DURING THE FLOOD DIDN’T STOP GOD BEFORE; NEITHER DOES EATTING MEAT ELIMANATE THE “SMELL” OF DEATH.
EVER SEEN WHAT OUR "FALLEN FLESH" LOOKS/ OR SMELLS LIKE TO GOD…IT’S PRETTY REPULSIVE…YUK! NOT APPETIZING AT ALL!

Well, I doubt at all, God left the dead bodies laying out on the earth after the flood. Since not mentioned, would assume God had them drawn down into the earth with the receeding waters.

I've experienced some of the worst rotting conditions skin and muscle can reach, at times in my life. Your right, its not appetizing at all, yet, even as a kid in the hospital, I use to cry when sat and talked with a teen girl who, down the hall, was being nursed back to health with severe burns covering 90% of her body.

I use to cry more too, when nurses told me it would be more than a year before the girl could leave the Hospital and who knew how many operations after that to improve things for her.
(CC QUOTE CONTINUES...)Now, the above may not appear to be all so Biblically based, but I also say it is, since we know full well, there are only a select number of birds, animals, fish, etc that are carnivorous, where all life forms originally were vegetarian.
Remember the declaration of God about Christ's Kingdom to come, the sheep will lie down next to the lion. Why? How could it in this fallen state, knowing a lion will eat meat, so normallt attack it.? (CC QOUTE ENDS)
JESUS INSTRUCTED US TO PRAY FOR "HIS KINGDOM TO COME, LET HIS WILL BE DONE ON EARTH" ...TODAY FOR OUR GENERATION... NOT JUST IN THE FUTURE EARTH...


Which is exactly why I do Sis in Christ. I'd rather see God's Will done than my own, knowing mine could easily be wrong, selfishly motivated or not knowing whats best for another.



(CC. QOUTE CONTINUES...)Because, Christ will return the existance of our world, at least in part, back to where it was in its state of perfection, for living creatures- vegetarian. (CC QUOTE ENDS)

ALSO, THERE IS NO DEATH IN HEAVEN, WE CAN BE “LEAF” LOVERS FOE ALL ETERNITY :> HE! HE!

But, remember, Jesus has to have His 1,000 year rule and reign, in which, as seen in Revelation, satan will be loosed a short time again after that. This is so each who was born and raised diring that time will have the chance to choose who to follow, before the "Great White Throne Judgement" occurs.

God Bless YOU AS WELL…
THIS HAS BEEN AN INTERESTING TOPIC.



THANK YOU!!!

No, thank you for such interesting and thought provoking responces!!

God Bless!!


Posted by: GODS Grace

Quote; "I'll remember that to avoid ever moving there hehe. Thanks"

Hehe, I was speaking from experience about the smell after a flood. We’re coming out of a one month flood. The water has already dropped about 13 ft. Roots of tree over forty feet tall became so saturated the trees collapsed.
The water was clean enough to swim in, but those fish haven't been told that they are to "fear" men. They kept "biting".
My daughter has spent the last few summer in Michigan with friend. She says your lakes there are nice and big, but the people are even nicer.

You mentioned old testiment prophecies of Jesus...
Maybe people eatting meat foreshadowed ...
Mark 14:22 While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, "Take it; this is my body." 23Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, and they all drank from it. 24"This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many," he said to them.

Here’s something else to ponder;
Quote;"But, if happened before man was created, how then could satan come back into Heaven and appear with God's Angels before God to petition about Job? See the confusion?
But no, rather, God has allowed satan and his demons to roam freely thru out the first and second Heavens, tho bound by sin, able, since decieving man, to interact with our physical world."
My translation says “satan went out from the presence of the Lord.” It doesn’t say “heaven”. The presences of the Lord isn't confined to our limitations, since he created all the heavens. Heb 4:13-14
You're example is correct... the devil can taking human flesh form. Jesus also rebuked Peter saying, "Get behind me satan."
Heb. 4:16 tells us to boldly approach God’s throne of grace…
God hears our prayer, even our thought without us leaving planet earth. The accuser of the brethren or a “Diabolis” can get access through human form.

Quote;"Unto us a Son is given and the govenment shall be upon His Shoulders".
Have you ever done an indepth study of the Lev. Priesthood?
You may find that it is very interesting. Sorry, I got to keep these replies shorter:> GODS' Grace


Posted by: Christian Commando

Quote:
Originally Posted by GODS Grace
Quote; "I'll remember that to avoid ever moving there hehe. Thanks"

Hehe, I was speaking from experience about the smell after a flood. We’re coming out of a one month flood. The water has already dropped about 13 ft. Roots of tree over forty feet tall became so saturated the trees collapsed.
The water was clean enough to swim in, but those fish haven't been told that they are to "fear" men. They kept "biting".
My daughter has spent the last few summer in Michigan with friend. She says your lakes there are nice and big, but the people are even nicer.

Well, let her know you know someone who's her neighbor over in Minnesota hehe- Land of 10,000 lakes and at least one fish hehe.




You mentioned old testiment prophecies of Jesus...
Maybe people eatting meat foreshadowed ...
Mark 14:22 While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, "Take it; this is my body." 23Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, and they all drank from it. 24"This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many," he said to them.

Here’s something else to ponder;
Quote;"But, if happened before man was created, how then could satan come back into Heaven and appear with God's Angels before God to petition about Job? See the confusion?
But no, rather, God has allowed satan and his demons to roam freely thru out the first and second Heavens, tho bound by sin, able, since decieving man, to interact with our physical world."
My translation says “satan went out from the presence of the Lord.” It doesn’t say “heaven”. The presences of the Lord isn't confined to our limitations, since he created all the heavens. Heb 4:13-14


Oh yes, removed from the presence of God, but from the third Heaven to cleanse His Domain of sin.

God speaks of 3 Heavens He created, the firmament- (atmosphere around earth), "Celestial Heaven", and the 3rd Heaven) , found in Genesis, I and II Corinthians.

But, in Revelation, God declares satan is "cast" - KJV out of Heaven- cast means to remove , throw away, throw out, plus more.


You're example is correct... the devil can taking human flesh form. Jesus also rebuked Peter saying, "Get behind me satan."

Yes, but not same context, knowing satan was not possessing Peter, but had influenced Peter to speak against God's Will.


Heb. 4:16 tells us to boldly approach God’s throne of grace…
God hears our prayer, even our thought without us leaving planet earth. The accuser of the brethren or a “Diabolis” can get access through human form.

Quote;"Unto us a Son is given and the govenment shall be upon His Shoulders".
Have you ever done an indepth study of the Lev. Priesthood?
You may find that it is very interesting. Sorry, I got to keep these replies shorter:> GODS' Grace

Yes, concerning the 12 Tribes of Judah and Christ coming from the blood line of David. Enlighten me please.

Remember, satan, as God declares is the accuser of the bretheren, thus, he can come before God with the other Angels at those chose times as seen in Job, to petition against whom he wishes.

But Ezekiel 28:13-19, shows Lucifer became tainted with sin, Isa. 14:12-16 shows where he will end up. Notice v 16- "and consider thee, saying, is this the man that made the earth to tremble", which shows, not yet, but later on, when anti-christ is ruling and is killed, satan will possess him to bring him back to life for the rest of the Tribulation.

Lastly, God also declares satan and his fallen followers, have lost thier "first estate", (which was in the 3rd Heaven- God's Domain). This clearly shows, they are still roaming freely in the first and second Heavens, but not the 3rd Heaven, since God declares sin can only be destroyed when comes into the presence of Him- God. Thus, if satan hadn't left God's Domain, he would've been destroyed by God.

Secondly, consider how satan disputed with Gabriel, who was trying to get thru to Daniel, then also with Micheal, over Moses' dead body.

You can be sure, God does not hate satan or his demons themselves. What God hates is thier sin. If God hated them personally, He could destroy them in a blink of an eye. Rather, God allows them, as He does us, to live for a chance to repent and come back honestly seeking forgiveness.

True, God foretells satan nor his demons will and thier end result, but, God the Father, creator of all and with Grace and Mercy, is loving and forgiving enough to even give them a chance. Otherwise, they would not be roaming around loose.

True, God foretells an eventual end to satan's being loose and his followers. But, as He is for us, God is a just God for fallen Angels, giving them time and chance to change.

Lucifer was God's greatest created Angel- Ezekiel 28- v13- "Thou hast been in Eden". "Every precious stone was thy covering," The workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in the day that thou was created"- 14- "Thou art the annointed Cherub that covereth", "Thou wast upon the Holy Mountain of God", "thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the burning stones of fire.

But, God declares the pride Lucifer got from the perfection God created him with, in his looks and intelligence- v 17- "Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou has corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness".

I'll finish this later hehe

God Bless!!


Posted by: GODS Grace

Your post reminds me of something that I may have posted once before..

Several years ago, my youngest son, Daniel, said that he saw Jesus in his dream.
Jesus was asking the angels if they would obey him,
then the earth opened up like a quake and the demons/fallen angels who choice not to obey were sent into the pit.
I can't remember if Daniel said that he saw the pit closed up in his dream...
I do remember Daniel telling me that Jesus asked if he would obey him.
(Daniel is my most strong willed child)
He was around 7 or 8 years old at the time he had this dream.
Daniel couldn't read..nor had anyone else told he this before the dream...
(copied)"God the Father, creator of all and with Grace and Mercy, is loving and forgiving enough to even give them a chance."
Yes! He is truly quite amazing... full of grace, mercy and forgiveness.

This isn't an exact quote:
When I was very young, I had hear that Corrie Ten Boom said "Despite her experiences in Hitler's worst concentration camps, she still saw mankind full of good and loving..."
How could she say those things? That really puzzed me because of my early years. I didn't see any good in life or a reason to live before I gave my life to Jesus.
God has changed me so much. I'm not even that person...and everyday I'm amazed by the goodness and love i see in other people.

BTW: Your hospital story; Years ago my husband was given less than a 10% chance after being surviving a fire. Being older, he didn't require years of operation. Being in a burn unit around young people can definately develop compassion and many tears.
Thank You for your reply, GODS Grace


Posted by: Christian Commando

God's Grace-

Very interesting vision your son had. Reminds me of the moment just before Christ's reign actually starts, when that strong Angel of God with the chain, binds satan, then casts him into the bottomless pit hehe. Neat

Well, as for the WW II issue,I would suggest she was one of the few, or was God guided, to understand the difference between normal life and conditions of war. 2nd- I suggest she could see beyond the limited scope of understanding most people do not in many cases as such dealing with mankind.

Yup, and because God is so amazing, is why He is so much greater than us, how can we understand all things? At 50 years old now, I know I can never learn everything about God, but only that which I'm able to while alive. And that floors me, as I'm always taken by supprise at the more Grace, love and Mercy God shows almost daily to people He has cross my path to some greater level than I expect.

Thank you, as I tell that story alot, as a reminder to me of when I had my first step towards truely loving all people, when spent so much time with that young lady.

God Bless!!


Posted by: eagle4him

Romans 14

I know and am convinced in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself; but to him who thinks anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean.

For if because of food your brother is hurt, you are no longer walking according to love Do not destroy with your food him for whom Christ died.

Therefore do not let what is for you a good thing be spoken of as evil;

for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and )joy in the Holy Spirit.

I think I'll go get a 'burger now!


Posted by: Christian Commando

Yes, very good eagle4im. The most important point of it all is right there for sure.

Keep it up-

God Bless!!


Posted by: GODS Grace

Praise God, I can see!

Copy; God never took that dominion away, and neither did satan...
man still has dominion over the earth, to dress it and keep it still.

John 8:44
satan is the father of all lies

Luke 4:6-7
satan lied to jesus and said that he could deliver all the kingdoms to Jesus.

Psalm 24:1 "the earth is the Lords, and the fullness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein"

God alone is the source of all power;
Romans 13:1 " for there is no power but God: the power that be are ordained of God"
Thank you Christian Commando


Posted by: Christian Commando

God's Grace-

Beautiful, wonderfully put. My sentiments exactly. God may have given dominion over the earth to man, He still has the right, to be in control of all things, as ultimate creator of them. But, while He will not puppeteer us, He will guide our lives, thru events, people we meet and by the Holy Spirit prompting His Children.

Satan can do such as well, therefore, the decision is left up to each person, what influence they choose to listen to. But, just know, Satan must still petition God, if wishes to go against any of God's Children.

Yet, God shows, sometimes, it will be necessary for Him to eventually turn a Child of His over to Satan, if become hard hearted and unwilling to be teachable and rejects God's Chastisement- Heb. 6:4-6 and the story of King Saul- Old Test.

God Bless!!