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Pope is Jesus on earth??!! Unbelievable notion!

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Posted by: Illuminate

Good evening everyone,

Yesterday evening I joined my friend for dinner in celebration of her birthday. We had a very intense conversation about "beliefs." It began with a nice conversation and suddenly this topic almost made me loose my appetite. I was uncomfortable because It is beyond my comprehension as to how anyone can think such beliefs. My friend is conselor and a VERY intellectual, wise and compassionate person. She was sharing a few experiences she had during an all day Sunday Catholic retreat, which motivated a few questions such " Where did the bible come from?" NOT being too knowledgable of the WORD, nevertheless, knowing It to a certain extent in knowing what is wrong vs. to what is WEIRD. I replied with, " the apostles were chosen by God and HE gave them visions to write about." She agreed and then shared her "discovery" and according to "the bible, " she read, the bible originally came from the Vatican. She also mentions that at the retreat they were told there are many religions like Baptists, Protestant, nondenominational etc.. BUT not to be deceived by people trying to shake their faith because in the bible (theirs) all other "religions" came after the Catholics. I couldn't believe my ears but I continued to listen out of respect, meanwhile, feeling sick in my stomach. I then told her my beliefs. I told her that there was no way that I would ever bow down to anyone, not even the Pope. I only believe in PRAYING to GOD and the only mediator was the Holy Spirit and nobody else because the ONLY person that died and RESURRECTED was JESUS CHRIST. I couldn't pray to St. Paul, St. Peter etc...because they NEVER resurrected and once again, Jesus can be the only one that can hear us because he resurrected. She then asked me, "Do you believe in angels?" which I said yes to. I told her I believe in messengers being our angels AND angels themselves. She also asked, " If you believe in angels why don't you believe in the apostles?" I said I believed in BOTH but that I would NOT pray to anyone but JESUS...She then asked, " where did the angels come from?" I told her angels come from heaven, some were cast out and some remaind in heaven. To make a long story short, she said the POPE is the holiest person next to Jesus and that he is JESUS on earth. He lives away from temptation and cannot be tempted because of his surroundings as opposed to us, we are living in sin at all times. I agreed but then commented, "We don't live with the POPE to know this." she continued with he is surrounded by people that love Jesus, less temptation. I firmly and politely said, "NO." NOBODY is Jesus and our mediator is the HOLY SPIRIT...I should have included that we were created to be like christ though. Anyway, thank God my cell phone rings because I was sick to my stomach! I love my best friend but I couldn't believe how she was thinking nor accepted her beliefs but according to her, she wrote all the scriptures someone in her notes. Finally, she compared me to the man that had such faith in GOD and in GOD ONLY that he ended up on the roof of his house while everything around him was flooding. God send him messengers and he never saw it as is. I told her she was misunderstanding everything that I had said. I told her I believe in angels as messengers and I do believe in signs from GOD, however, I Don't believe in bowing down to the POPE nor praying to the saints. I did believe in the saints being some of the chosen by GOD but they have not resurrected until Jesus returns. Incidentally, she then asked me, " how do you think Jesus will come back as?" My response, " in the clouds with thunder and an illumination of light." She then expreseed a confused face and then it's when she said, "Jesus has to send someone on his behalf as him, such as the POPE because he is holier than anyone else just like God chose Jesus to lead, Jesus chose the POPE!!! Thinking, what in the world is this Im hearing!! I said, NO. I then explained that I was not a pastor nor someone whom knows the depth of the bible but I do believe in the bible. She then commented and said that in the retreat they advised them not to believe the bible in the Internet because they change words around. I then said, " but the wise will research it in the bible." I'm thinking, What kind of bible are you reading?!!

I need some clarifications as to how should I have answered these questions and if I gave her incorrect information? In addition, please do advice what I should have answered her questions with??? I will accept correction :-)
Thank u and have a great weekend...

Illuminate


Posted by: Rachel R

Pope Benedict the sixteenth doesn't claim to be Jesus.

He is in the role of Peter, as head of the Church, 'on this rock I will build my church' Peter.

He is in the role of an apostle, and is supposed to speak God's 'rules' to the Catholic church.

The church has been through many evolutions and there are vast differences in what individual Catholics believe.

Sounds to me like you really held your own in a crazy conversation.

The reason we know that we aren't supposed to bow down or pray to angels is that in the Word, whenever someone did that the angels always told them not to and told them to worship only God.

She is right about the other churches. They all came in some form as break offs or rebellions to the Catholic church.

And they did have a LOT to do with forming up the Bible along the way and getting it into its present form.

They keep the mass going and I know part of God's calling on them is that at any given moment, somewhere around the world someone is saying mass and holding the host high, proclaiming the Lord's death until he comes.

The Catholics are not perfect, and they aren't all bad.

They are waiting for Jesus, just like we are...

You did very well in a TOUGH situation.

Rachel R


Posted by: Illuminate

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Originally Posted by Rachel R
Pope Benedict the sixteenth doesn't claim to be Jesus.

He is in the role of Peter, as head of the Church, 'on this rock I will build my church' Peter.

He is in the role of an apostle, and is supposed to speak God's 'rules' to the Catholic church.

The church has been through many evolutions and there are vast differences in what individual Catholics believe.

Sounds to me like you really held your own in a crazy conversation.

The reason we know that we aren't supposed to bow down or pray to angels is that in the Word, whenever someone did that the angels always told them not to and told them to worship only God.

She is right about the other churches. They all came in some form as break offs or rebellions to the Catholic church.

And they did have a LOT to do with forming up the Bible along the way and getting it into its present form.

They keep the mass going and I know part of God's calling on them is that at any given moment, somewhere around the world someone is saying mass and holding the host high, proclaiming the Lord's death until he comes.

The Catholics are not perfect, and they aren't all bad.

They are waiting for Jesus, just like we are...

You did very well in a TOUGH situation.

Rachel R


Hello Rachel R,

Thank u for taking the time to respond to my puzzling questions. I would like to further make comments on your statements.

The reason we know that we aren't supposed to bow down or pray to angels is that in the Word, whenever someone did that the angels always told them not to and told them to worship only God. Rachel, can you please find me the scriptures where this is stated??!! In fact, I told her this but I couldn't remember the scriptures!

She is right about the other churches. They all came in some form as break offs or rebellions to the Catholic church. But the thing is, I know she was referring to the christians in general but discretly mentioned other religions because she didn't want to offend me. I know this because she has always said, " just about every christian I have met have been hypocrites." I told her this is in all people in general, not just christians. I don't know where in the bible but I wholeheartedly believe EVERYONE is born CHRISTIAN, then separated into Catholics, baptists, etc...Please do correct me if I'm wrong. Once again, I don't mind being corrected for I WANT to learn :-)
Yes, I do agree, Catholics are not perfect as christians, we, aren't as well, however, we all DO have some good in us, amen...

Last but not least, my friend was in a car accident a few months ago and she believes as well as I do too, that she is a miracle because she survived it. She strongly believes her mother, may she rest in peace, saved her. Personally I believe it was the LORD himself or an angel, however, I wasn't about to take away this particular feeling because she does feel very comforted. I would REALLY like to know your perspective on this...

In addition, would you happen to know what the Catholics believe as far as how Jesus will come back? As I stated before, my dear friend believe he will come in the form of either the POPE or a person. I have ALWAYS believed and read, Jesus will return in the clouds with thunder and illumination. CAN'T really remember correctly but something like that...How will he come?

OKay, this is it for now :-)

Thank u and God bless u,

Illuminate


Posted by: Christian Commando

Hey Sis in Christ- heres some more info as well-

It's been documented, the Vatican- (Popes) over the centuries, some have claimed the Pope perfect and equal to God.

It's been documented that the Roman Catholic religion believes in a 3 fold equal authority situation- God, the Pope and sacred tradition.

It has been documented over the centuries, the Vatican believes the "Mother Mary" can provide a "second works" of Grace for Salvation.

It has been documented the Roman Catholic system, has multiple prayer rooms in thier churches for praying to specific dead saints for specific requests.

It has been documented where Pope John Paul went to Islam at one point not so many years ago and accepted the Muslims there as brothers and sisters to Catholics, in Christ.

I can go on, theres lots more. But it has been documented as well by researchers and studiers of religions, that it appears the roman Catholic religion is heading towards an "apostate" from Christianity. I have one major link that can be shared upon reciet of permission from the Leadership here.

God Bless!!


Posted by: WarriorQueen

Funnily enough I have had the same experience with a catholic woman friend who is now born again.

My comments to her were this: Jesus is alive and well. The pope is no more than a mere man, just as Mary was a mere faithful woman who was chosen by God to conceive the baby by the HOLY SPIRIT. I believe that she was a very faithful woman. A woman of prayer and morals. A centurian had told Jesus while he hung on the cross to look over to his mother and brothers. Jesus replied "my mother and brothers are those that do the will of God".

The pope, to be where he is, has to be a man of prayer and morals. But he is no more DIETY than you or I. The bible says that we are all Priests seated in heavenly places with christ Jesus. Those that do the will of God.

Jesus said "I am the way, the truth and the life, nobody goes to the father except through me". I wouldnt dare pray to anyone else. It is Idolatry.
Idolatry is bowing down to someone that is not God. Doing that is like rebellion and the bible says that rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft. Brings about demonic activity and curses. I wouldn't dare pray to anyone else.

Encourage your friend to get to know the love of God. Talk about the atonement work. You see. Jesus left heaven where he was in Glory with God the father, he left his heavenly dwelling to save men. All men, from sin and death. John 1 says that the word was with God at the very beginning, he made everything in creation with God, and the word became flesh. This talks about Jesus christ being the Promise of God. The very word of God which is the Truth and is more powerful than a double edged sword. It cuts not only through flesh but it cuts through the spirit and God says that the word does not return to him void but accomplishes everything he sets it out to do.

Pray his will before you speak to her.

I hope that helps.


Posted by: WarriorQueen

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Originally Posted by Rachel R
Pope Benedict the sixteenth doesn't claim to be Jesus.

He is in the role of Peter, as head of the Church, 'on this rock I will build my church' Peter.

He is in the role of an apostle, and is supposed to speak God's 'rules' to the Catholic church.

The church has been through many evolutions and there are vast differences in what individual Catholics believe.

Sounds to me like you really held your own in a crazy conversation.

The reason we know that we aren't supposed to bow down or pray to angels is that in the Word, whenever someone did that the angels always told them not to and told them to worship only God.

She is right about the other churches. They all came in some form as break offs or rebellions to the Catholic church.

And they did have a LOT to do with forming up the Bible along the way and getting it into its present form.

They keep the mass going and I know part of God's calling on them is that at any given moment, somewhere around the world someone is saying mass and holding the host high, proclaiming the Lord's death until he comes.

The Catholics are not perfect, and they aren't all bad.

They are waiting for Jesus, just like we are...

You did very well in a TOUGH situation.

Rachel R
The catholic church I have read started off trying to keep the converts to christianity who were originally Diana, Asarte, Artemis worshippers. Goddess worshipers who had turned to Christianity. The catholic Church adopted christianity and kept the Goddess in the form of MARY (not a diety) to appeal to the masses and kept jesus hanging on a cross. You are right to say that the catholic church is always evolving. A friend of mine has an ancient catholic bible which has writings on the Ascension of Mary. How wierd!

Here is the testimony of a former nun who discovered the deception of the Catholic church & who Jesus Christ really is.