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The Mark of Mahmoud Abbas

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Posted by: ephraim65

The Mark of Mahmoud Abbas or The Day of six, six, six. {***}

What is the Mark of the Beast? If it were to happen today could you identify it? If you could identify it what good would it do? Would the knowledge of the Mark make a believer out of an atheist? I think it all comes down to faith. Some people are supposed to see while others are not, no matter what proof is given. So what is the main purpose for studying prophecy and looking for the Mark of the Beast? I believe that purpose is to show who God really is and expose a false religion. Islam is that false religion. It has drawn one third of the world’s population to a false God and is ready to destroy the world in defense of it. There are other false religions in the world but none as violent as Islam. Islam is at war with all peoples; Jews, Christians, Hindus, Atheists, you name it, and even other Muslims.

This letter was born out of a question by an astute reader. It was very thought provoking and led me to another answer I was looking for. Its timing couldn’t have been better. As it is with most knowledge, a question has to be asked before an answer can be found. So here is the question.

Could you explain how the dipping of fingers into ink when voting is consistent with the mark of the beast? It seems to me that people are pressured into getting the mark of the beast in revelations because without it they can't get the necessities of life.

This question is in regards to my belief that the Mark of the Beast was given to the Palestinian people during their Presidential Election on January 9, 2005. This Mark was applied to their right thumb and prevented an individual from double voting. It was supposed to last for about 48 hours. On the surface it would seem that a mark on the right hand with indelible ink is nothing more than its purpose, to prevent double voting. On the other hand, what if you just voted for the beast and were unaware of it. The mark of the beast can be three things: his mark, his number or his Name. Christianity likes to blend two of these ideas together and say that the Mark is the number *** inscribed. This is just one example there are many others.

Did this mark directly cause the people to be able to buy and sell? The words in Revelation 13:16 provide a good clue. He caused all, both small and great, rich and poor, or free and bond to receive this mark. Why would someone who is great, rich and free need to get any sort of mark in order to buy anything? A person in high esteem with lots of money (maybe a government official) needs no permission to buy anything, he does as he pleases. The opposite of that is what gets my attention more. If a man is small, poor and in jail why would he need to get a mark? If he is in jail he would have relatively no need for money as he would be getting his food and shelter from his jailors. The short answer is that the mark was given to all even those in jail who voted in the Palestinian Presidential Elections. This mark identifies the second beast and was only indirectly involved in their ability to buy and sell.

The situation that caused a lack of funds in the PA government was due to the Election of Hamas as ruling party a year later. Since no western government was providing aid to the Palestinians it became apparent that the PA government would slide into anarchy and collapse. Therefore, a temporary mechanism was created by the international community to allow money to be given to essential PA institutions while bypassing the Hamas Government. All money going to these essential humanitarian institutions will be distributed through the office of the President, Mahmoud Abbas. Now, through the name of one man, the people are able to buy and sell namely because many will be receiving salaries. Now you have two items which identify the beast, a mark which was given when he was elected and his name which will allow funds to be given. There is only one other thing that can identify him and that is his number. That number is ***.

Gematria is the most common way scholars use to find his identity. A system that applies a number value to letters to see if an individuals name will come to the sum of ***. One guess is as good as another in this system and many people’s names add up to ***. Any answer would just be a guess and provide relatively little proof to back it up, therefore I never devoted much time to this theory.

In my search I was more concerned with how and why and when Mahmoud Abbas was going to bring about his peoples ability to buy and sell. That answer came with the election of Hamas. Hamas was the reason why the PA had a lack of funds. The international community, through a temporary mechanism sponsored by the Quartet, was how they were going to get the funds. The last thing is the most surprising. The Quartet (US, UN, EU and Russia) agreed on this international mechanism to fund the PA on June 16, 2006 on a Friday. This happened on the sixth day of the week in the sixth month on the sixteenth day in the year 2006. It seems the event I was looking for happened on a *** day, one of only three in the whole year. I think most people were more concerned with June 6, 2006.

Remember, the mark of the beast can be three things: his mark, his number or his Name. All three of these items point to the second beast. They describe him as an adjective does a noun. It is how they are interpreted that either blinds us or lets us see. Therefore, what I have done is link the number *** to his name instead of the number to the mark. It was a coincidence that this find ever happened. I wasn’t looking in this direction when it found me. I was following the money.

I would be remiss if I didn’t mention one more thing.
I usually don’t make too many predictions and only write about events after the fact, but here goes. Since writing this letter and pondering the situation in Israel, I have thought of another possibility for the Mark. Any referendum held by the PA that advances policy allowing the international community to provide international aid to the PA would qualify. It would qualify as long as a Mark is applied to the hands or forehead and is given to all Palestinians just as mentioned in my remarks on Revelation 13:16.

In summary, Jesus is Lord and he is coming soon.


Posted by: ephraim65

Events of September 1, 2006.

The international mechanism that was set up on June 16, 2006 (***)
has begun to compensate Palestinian workers.Through this aid fund,
set up by the EU and the World Bank, 625,000 Palestinians will be paid
$347 dollars each. This fund bypasses the Hamas led government due to
their unwillingness to conform to the image of Mahmoud Abbas. All funds
established under this aid fund go through the office of Mahmoud Abbas.
Through the name of one man, under a plan established on June 16,
2006, and brought about by a mark on the right hand on election day,
Palestinians are now being empowered to buy and sell. WOEphraim



This article appeared in the Jerusalem Post. Nothing has been edited.

Oct. 11, 2006 15:36 | Updated Oct. 11, 2006 15:40
EU aid to PA expands to $816 million
By ASSOCIATED PRESS


The European Union said Wednesday it was giving $816 million in aid to benefit 160,000 Palestinian families this year, expanding the funding program that bypasses the Hamas-led government.

European experts agreed to boost the international aid program overseen by the World Bank to cover 60,000 more families in the Palestinian territories from the 100,000 families now receiving help under the program, EU spokeswoman Emma Udwin said.

The fund offers a $339 monthly allowance to poorer Palestinian families, pensioners and civic workers, whose paychecks disappeared when international donors halted direct aid payments after the militant Hamas group won Palestinian elections.

"We are talking about quite a large amount of money," Udwin said. "Despite direct aid to the Palestinian Authority having been suspended .... the EU's contribution remains high, higher than in an average year."

The experts also backed a decision by top international donors to extend the funding program until the end of the year, she said.

The European Commission has given $414 million this year to the program, above its average yearly aid of $314 million for the Palestinians. The rest of the program funds were coming from some of the 25 EU member countries, the United States and others.

The Commission said last month it had started to pay social allowances to 40,000 Palestinian families, coming on top of spending for 11,500 health workers who are no longer paid and pensioners.

Regular welfare payments and aid to the Palestinian Authority stopped in February, as international donors demanded the Hamas-led government renounce violence and recognize Israel.

The special funding program was set up in June to direct funds to three key areas - support for health services, utilities and social allowances - while bypassing the Hamas-led government's coffers.

The Quartet group of Mideast peacemakers - the United States, the EU, Russia and the United Nations - agreed last month to expand the scope of the program.

The program has delivered more than 2 million liters (500,000 gallons) of fuel to supply power for hospitals and water in the Gaza Strip.


Posted by: ephraim65

A man asked me recently how I arrived at my conclusion that
Mahmoud Abbas was the 2nd Beast of Revelation 13. I summarized
if for him in these few short paragraphs.

This conclusion is based on the events that started with the handshake
between Arafat and Rabin in 1993. It was a slow evolving process and is
the false peace spoken of in the Bible. The questions that have to be
answered concerning Revelation 13 are: why, who and how.

Why do the people in question need the ability to buy and sell? Is it
because they refuse to worship a man or is it because they don't have
resources? It is much easier to see why people need when they have
nothing, as opposed to those that have and are not allowed to spend.

Who is going to provide this money to those in question? Mahmoud Abbas.
Through the name of one man funds will be allocated to the people from a
program instituted on June 16, 2006. His number is ***.

How are those people going to get the money? Through a program called
the Temporary international mechanism that bypassed the Hamas controlled
Palestinian Authority. This program was completed and agreed to on
June 16, 2006 on a Friday. It allowed funds to get to the PA only through
Abbas.

Lastly, when he was elected, all people voting either for or against him
recieved a mark in their right hands with indelible ink. This mark was
supposed to last for two days and prevent double voting. Three items point
to the Beast of Revelation 13: his mark, his number and his name.
WOEphraim


Posted by: Christian Commando

ephraim-

Very interesting, but believe I should point out some things that are questionable in your thread starter-

First post-

1st- At the time the anti-christ- (first beast) comes into power and his "mark" is established, trust me, according to Scriptures, it will be very clear who accepts the "mark" and who refuses it. Why?

A- God declares only those who ccept the "mark" will be able to buy sell or trade for goods to live on, while those without the "mark" won't be able to.

B- God shows, as the reign of the beast progresses, they'll know who didn't take the "mark", for they will start hunting them down to kill them, as God declares, some even killed in synagogues.

C- God declares for His elect during that period to strive to survive to the end of it.

Thus, Those who accept the "mark" and those who don't for the living here, will be clearly known from the start by many, but also the world later on according to events described how they will go.

People have debated over wether the "mark" of the beast will be visible. Remember this, when God put that "mark" on Cain after killing Able, it was clearly visivle, otherwise, how else would Lameck had known he had killed the man- Cain, who had been marked by God, for the cursing he would recieve? It was clearly visible. Thus, so too will the "mark of the beast" be.

Let us not think tho, it has to be visible from a mile away. It don't have to be, but only visible, which it will be.

2nd- You and I at this point need not be concerned with looking for the "mark of the beast". Why? A- One world gov. needs to reach a point capable of world dominance od which no nation community is there as yet. B- The fact God declares several things must happen first, even before the "mark" shows up- 1- "falling away from the faith" 2- "son of perdition"- (antichrist) must be revealed. 3- Rapture of the Saints.

Thats just touching the surface of things yet to be fulfilled before the "mark" is seen.

3rd- Whats with the "dipping of fingers in ink" for voting? Is this required in other countries somewhere? If so, Isuggest that is only a form of identifying who all voted from thier sections or whatever and has nothing to do with the "mark of the beast".

4th- This "mark of the beast", will be administered around the world after the antichrist has been in power for a time. Any suggestion at this point of other means of identification of people for voting in one or more countries right now, cannot be connected whatsoever to this "mark" as suggested.

third post-

How do you arrive at Mohamad Abbas being the 2nd beast? Is he a religious speaking man in his speech to the people- nation?

If not, here the problem- God declares Christ as the "Lamb of God". Sheep have horns, male ones that is.

The 2nd beast that rises up out of the earth, is described as having two horns "as a lamb", - (religious figure), but, "he spake as a dragon". In other words, he is a false prophet or preacher etc.

2nd- No, it has nothing to do with the Trib. Period "peace pact", but as God declaring the time of Gentile rule not being over as yet, and Christ's declaration of evil waxing worse, towards as it was in Noah's Day.

Forgive me my friend, but I'm afraid this is just another example of taking a localized situation going on and trying to fit it into a worldl wide occurrance that is yet to come.

God Bless!!


Posted by: ephraim65

I wrote an even shorter version for all those like
myself with limited patience...Have a nice day...

Explanation six,six,six

On June 16, 2006 a program was enacted that allowed
money to flow through one man, Mahmoud Abbas, in order
to pay the salaries of his people. He empowered his people
(Fatah) to buy and sell simply because he was allowed to
receive and disperse funds. Hamas was prevented from
receiving aid from Abbas. This fulfills Revelation 13. Hamas
boycotted the Election of Mahmoud Abbas, therefore they
did not receive the mark. Only Fatah got the mark, and only
Fatah is receving money from Abbas. So Hamas cannot buy
and sell because they did not receive the mark. Here is
another way to view it. By not receiving salaries they were
prevented from buying and selling.

So here is the interpretation that I am describing.
No man can buy and sell unless he has the mark, the
number of his name or his name. The men being referred
to are the Palestinians. Not the whole world. The funds
in question are the Western donations that used to go to
the PA but were stopped after Hamas took over the
Government. Make any sense? Ephraim


Posted by: Christian Commando

ephraim65-

Very interesting but still inaccurate. It in no way fulfillls Rev. chapter 13. For instance-

1- The Book of Daniel, explains that the ten horns and ten crowns are ten nations and leaders of those nations. The little 11th horn that appears amongst the ten, is shown to be the anti-christ.

1 A- You'll also notice at the start of Daniel, Nebecanezeer's dream of the statue, shows the two feet mixed with iron and clay, having ten toes, of which when the great rock falls from Heaven, it smashes the feet.

2- We haven't seen this leader you speak of killed yet and revived by Satan- Rev. 13:3.

3- No signs of great wonders from him to make the whole world wonder after him- vs- 4-6.

4- Nor have we seen the whole world have to bow down to him- v 7-8.

Realize, the Lord warns us, there will be a multitude of anti-christs leading up to the main one, to fulfill the type of tyrant this main one for the Trib Period will be like, yet they will never accomplish to the full scope, what the true- "son of perdition"- anti-christ, will.

5- By the way, since this "mark of the beast" is one to allow people to buy and sell during the Trib. Period, your synopsus of that "mark" of ink only lasting 2 days is null and void, for it must go 7 years, as denoted in Scripture. Besides, you stated as well, it was to avoid voting more than once. Thats not taking a "mark of a beast" for buyong or selling, but of voting protection.

Forgive me, but... according to your form of interpreting Scripture to events of today, the Trib Period was over long before, when Hitler was in power. But, that could not be either, as according to what Jesus said- evil will wax worse thru the "Last Days", till it reaches a level as it was like in Noah's Day. It hasn't come close to that yet.

And read the signs of being in the "Last Days" Matt.24, all of it, and Luke 21:8-36, and you'll find, if take things literally, not spiritually, you'll see only some of the signs have been fulfilled.

Sorry my friend, but Rev. 13:7-8 show where the anti-christ gains power "over all kindreds, tongues and nations". That automatically eliminates this leader you speak of being the Tribulation anti-christ, since you claim it is localized, yet Scripture clearly shows its world wide.

God declares to take His Word "precept upon precept, line upon line"- (literally to mean what It says), not spiritualized, symbolized or figurative, unless God shows explainations to mean that in His word. (Check out Ezekiel's vision of the valley of dry bones given him by God. Spiritual interpretation of it given by God).

Forgive me, but reread your first post and you'd asked the question- what if people had voted for the beast and didn't know it? Look at Rev. 13:16, to realize, its the "Beast" who causes all, small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to recieve a mark in thier right hand or foreheads. V 17 shows it will be the mark, or name of the beast, or number of his name.

So the beast will call for it, where your example shows, you even question who might have voted for him unknowingly, where everyone knows as in Rev. who it is and still accepts it. Thats how those who refuse, will know as well who calls for this to happen- the "beast"- anti-christ. Another example to prove otherwise.

God Bless!!


Posted by: ephraim65

Why is Mahmoud Abbas the Beast of Revelation 13?

The most important issue that must be resolved in discovering
the meaning of Revelation 13 is which people are being
discussed. If the wrong people are associated with the
prophecies of Revelation 13 its answer can never be found.
The people being referred to in Revelation 13 are the
Palestinians. Once this is decided three questions have to be
answered; why, how and who.

Why do the Palestinian people lack the ability to buy and sell?
Due to the Hamas takeover of the Palestinian Government,
Western Aid was discontinued.

How will the Palestinian people receive funds in order to buy
and sell? Through a program called the Temporary
International Mechanism that bypasses the Hamas controlled
Palestinian Authority. This program was established on Friday
June 16, 2006. This date 6/16/06 represents the day that one
man was allowed to administer a program that paid the salaries of
his people. This is an amazing coincidence. There are only three
days in ten years that end with three sixes; June 6, June 16, and
June 26.

Who will provide these salaries to the Palestinians?
Through the office of Mahmoud Abbas, Western Aid was resumed
because of the Temporary International Mechanism.

Also, what group will be prevented from getting money
because they did not receive the mark?
Hamas boycotted the Election of Mahmoud Abbas in January
2005; therefore they did not receive the indelible ink mark to
their right hands. All salaries are being given to Fatah, the
party of Mahmoud Abbas. Hamas will not honor the image of
Mahmoud Abbas. The image of Mahmoud Abbas is required by
the international community to continue peace talks with
Israel. This image is three items that represent Abbas and his
Government; the honoring of all prior Palestinian agreements
with Israel, the renunciation of terror as a means to an end,
and a two-state solution based on the 1967 borders prior to
the six-day war.

Three items point to the Beast of Revelation 13: his mark, his
number and his name. WOEphraim


Posted by: Christian Commando

ephraim65-

I recently ran into a group who says everyone has thier interpretations wrong in thinking its all these others, but they claim the feet and toes of the King's Statue is Isreal.

They claim this because of the "potters clay" in the feet, mixed with iron. This is no more Biblically correct than those who do not associate the "iron" of the two legs- (old Roman Empire), standing for the revived Roman Empire in the feet, (last Gentile nation to rule over Isreal). Why?

What happens to the "Statue"? A rock, made by God's Hands- (Christ's return), comes from Heaven to stike the statue at its feet and smash the feet and the statue.

Seeing as how Isreal is God's "Fig Tree"- (first chosen), theres no way Christ would be sent back to destroy them.

This is why your belief does not hod water to Biblical proofs either. Time and time again, God shows the "iron" of the revived Roman Empire mentioned, of which you can see above in my references.

Secondly- you are using an example of a minor country that is operating with this control over people just with itself, when Revelation 13 shows, (which I mentioned before also), this government decieves the whole world when comes to power.

Plus, by the ten horns- (ten countries) and ten crowns- (ten leaders of those countries), is what the main foundation will be for this "one world government". (Of which I made Scriptural reference before).

ephraim65-

Have you ever noted in God's Word, some people or events, replicating such as what Christ would come to do for man? Moses and Aaron leading the Isrealites out of bondage- (God offering His Grace, Jesus Christ the way, Truth and Life). 2- Jona, 3 days and nites in belly of big fish- (Christs time in Hell with suffering for man's sins).

What you are describing, is a very small isolated exampe of what the "one world govenment", lead by the true "anti-christ", will achieve world wide, in the future.

Your last paragraph shows exactly what I spoke of. It is a minor example of what will happen world wide one day in the near future.

Again, sorry my friend, but for all the Scriptures in Daniel, Ezekiel, Amos, Hosea, Corinthians, Thess., Romans, Jude, Rev. and other Booksof the "Last Days" of the anti-christ reign, those 3 alone you mentioned must fit in with the rest of Scriptures. They do not as yet.

They are a good symbolic picture of what the world wide government will operate like, but is not that, for sure.

Otherwise, good sharing.

God Bless!!


Posted by: ephraim65

Does anyone agree with this scenario?
I know there are more opinions here than just Commando's.
WOEphraim


Posted by: Christian Commando

ephraim65-

Here at annointed, we go according to Scripturally based beliefs. Forgive me, but there just isn't any Scriptural Foundation for what you have been sharing as beliefs.

God's Word proves and reproves Itself. Yet, you only show one Chapter of one Book for a Scriptural Foundation with no others to back it up.

People who understand the above, expect to see confirmation from God's Word thru other Scriptures, as they know God provides this for what He Teaches as Truth. And they must be kept in context.

You are a man of strong conviction. I am sorry to see tho, this particular conviction is towards a false doctrine. I don't know who's teaching this is you have adopted, but it only shares what is known as "typology" of God.

Like Hitler of the past, this leader you spoke of, is demonstrating on a minor scale, what the true "anti-christ" who will decieve the whole world will do. The same as God shows Jonah and his representation of Christ in Hell, being in that fishes belly for 3 days.

You are along the right lines, but pointing at the wrong person. All related Scriptures must be taken into account in order to understand how the world will know who this "anti-christ" will be. God's Word clearly shows this "man of sin", "son of perdition" will be revealed to the world in due time, showing some clear signs to happen.

But... this is to the world, not just a single nation of the world or a few other Countries at most as you suggest.

Understand I don't mean this to sound hurtful or demeaning in any way, as I love all people. But, certain of us have been called by God here, to see that His Word is held accurately to, to the best of our ability as God has Blessed each one. That means, reading and studying God's Word to show ourselves approved in rightly dividing Truth.

It was your first post here that actually shows how the European Union- (Community), is actually the one to be watching. As God shows in His Word how the anti-christ shall first start out under a peace pact with the other nations of the world, but that over time, it will deteriorate to war in the end.

I pray the best for you my friend-

God Bless!!


Posted by: ephraim65

An intelligent question and answer


Question:
The beast of Revelation 13 is associated with various items by which
he can be identified. One of these is:

" And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies,
and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months".

How did Mahmoud Abbas fulfill this prophecy? How would you fit the 42
months time period, as used by John, in the life of Mahmoud Abbas?

Answer:
Mahmoud Abbas does not fulfill this 42 month prophecy, Yasser Arafat does.
The first beast of Revelation and the little horn was Yasser Arafat. The 42
months were fulfilled in the first three and a half years of the Oslo
Accords. This happened between 1993 and 1997. Negotiations were going
well and both sides were making progress during this time. Arafat's leadership
seemed to be providing results as Israel continued to transfer
land and security control back to the Palestinians. In the second half of the
seven years that ended in Sept. 2000, the good will began to break down
and terrorism stifled the whole process. The second intifada started, shortly
after the failure at Camp David, and not much has happened every since.

Naturally, when Yasser Arafat died in November of 2004, he had to be
replaced. Mahmoud Abbas became that replacement. He stepped into the
position of the first beast simply by being elected Palestinian President.
The second beast of Revelation entered the picture when Hamas won the
the elections of Jan. 2006. When Hamas won the election, the Government
of the Palestinian Authority became the two-horned second beast. These
two horns represent two kings within the same Palestinian Authority that do
not agree on the image of Mahmoud Abbas.
This image of Mahmoud Abbas and his Government are three issues that
represent the old Palestinian Authority. These must be implemented to allow
a peace process to continue with Israel. Hamas must recognize Israel,
abide by old agreements and renounce terrorism. This is the image of Abbas;
the second beast of Revelation. If these ideas are not followed, honored or
worshipped; those individuals will be killed. This is happening to Hamas daily.

I added the word worshipped here because that is the word used by the King
James Bible translators. It also means to honor.

Now combined with the first post, beyond a shadow of a doubt, Abbas is
that second beast and he has fulfilled the prophecy of *** as I have described.
Thanks for your question, anonymous.

WOEphraim


Posted by: Christian Commando

ephram-

Very good responce, but if only accurate.

I've given enough examples, that have not been addressed to, that will have to be dealt with from a Biblical basis of Truth, to prove your beliefs are Biblically correct to fulfill prophecy, which you have not done as yet.

Show Scriptural Truth of Confirmation from other Scriptures to prove this man is the anti-christ and that all other Prophecies for the "Last Days" have been fulfilled up to the coming of the anti-christ, to prove its him, besides showing proof who his "religious Leader"- (2nd beast) is, who helps to decieve the world to follow him.

(The world, not just a Country alone). And lastly, prove how this man's operations will eventually spread out over the world to decieve the whole world as Scripture dictates will happen.

If have none, why then keep believing in a false doctrine not having any true biblical foundational Truth to it? The "mark" you spoke of is long gone, yet Scriptures teach this "mark" of the beast, number of his name or name itself lasts thru the whole Tribulation Period- (people who reject it are later chased, hounded and killed for not accepting it), of which your example only lasted 48 hours and is no long past.

Lastly- Perilous times Christ spoke of growing worse thru the "Last Days", have clearly not gotten as severe as was seen in Noah's Day as yet. Thus another point to explain by this false theory.

And the anti-christ will come in on a peaceful platform to start with, helping with all the devastation going on, only to see it deteriorate to war for the world as his reign goes on. This is not with your man, but his Country was helped by the EU. So... another discrepancy.

I'm sorry ephram, but proof needs to be given from Scriptures to back up the doctrine you are believing, of which so far, is lacking.

Forgive me, but please show more than just 1 chapter in Reveltion to confirm your teachings that we might have a better understanding of it.

God Bless!!


Posted by: ephraim65

To Christian Commando:

This letter was posted August 22, 2005. I had to go back a few years to find it. It seems you

needed some background information. This will help explain some of the problems you are having

with my interpretation. I hope it clears up most of the problems. It always seems that I

have more influence with the common Christian than I do with self-proclaimed defenders of the faith.

Someone always feels it is their responsibility to belittle my message or somehow downgrade it in the

eyes of their peers. This is why I pay no heed to any opinion that is given. If I took everyone's advice

my message would never be delivered. I am for the common Christian and anyone who wants a straight

answer. This message is for all people reguardless of their religion, sins or lott in life. This thread and these

ideas must and will get to those that have been waiting, irreguardless of any roadblocks.



The Second beast of Revelation 13- Abu Mazen

Why would anybody need to know or care about knowing who the beast and the false prophet are? The first thought that comes to mind is that they would not want to unwittingly take the mark of the beast, Rev. 13:16. I hear and see all the time people talking about the mark and wondering what it is. The most common idea as to what the mark is in the Christian community is some sort of computer chip. This chip is somehow supposed to promote worship of the beast and also allow you to buy and sell. Without the mark a person is basically sentenced to death. I have also searched for what the mark could be for many many years. Therefore, it is essential that you know who the first beast is so you can determine exactly what the mark is.

The majority of Christian teachers say the beast has not appeared and a person will not know who the beast is prior to the rapture of the church. Therefore, it is wrong to look for him because it is not relevant to a Christian. One may speculate as to his identity but since Israel has not made a covenant with the anti-christ the seven year tribulation has not begun. This seven year time frame has been misinterpreted and caused many to be confused. Not that seven years don’t exist concerning the covenant, but the problem is where they fit in the chronology.


The beast of Revelation 13:1 is said to have seven heads and ten horns. The ten horns are ten kings Rev. 17:12. The seven heads are seven mountains Rev. 17:9. These kings shall have power with the beast and give their power and strength to him for one hour. Who would argue that the beast nations of Rev: 13 do not exist today and that for a person to know who they are one must be in heaven or raptured first? Of course we know who some of them are it is common sense. Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Iran to name just a few. The problem with the interpretation of Rev. 13 is what the seven heads are. Many have said that they are hills that pertain to a specific city. Particularly Rome which is supposed to sit on seven hills which would somehow make the Vatican the seat of the anti-christ. Which countries in Europe do you suppose are going to attack Israel and join with the beast of Rev. 13? I'm here to say that none of them will. The only possibility is that the beast is from Europe and he leads a confederation of Muslim nations against Israel. Before I get to what are the seven heads of Rev. 13 something else must also be included here. The beast is supposed to have subdued or plucked up three of the ten kings, Dan.7. Why does the beast subdue himself or eliminate three of those who are thought to be on his side? The answer is that Rev. 13 is not only a picture of the Muslim nations but also of Israel. The three kings subdued by beast number one are from Israel. So if the beast of Rev.13 has ten kings but three are not with him that leaves seven kings who must be. If a study of the word mountains is done in the Bible a pattern will emerge. Mountains can also be a nation or nations. Therefore seven heads are seven mountains and the seven mountains of Rev. 13 are nations, Muslim nations. These seven nations are Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Jordan and Egypt. The ten kings are all the present rulers of these countries plus the three that are subdued by Arafat. These are Peres, Netanyahu and Barak. That makes ten. Arafat is the little horn, which is the eleventh, and represents the land of Palestine. Collectively these nations compose the beast of Revelation 13 with Arafat as their leader. The covenant of Daniel 9:27 was between Arafat and Rabin in Sept. 1993. It was the Oslo Accords and lasted until Sept. 2000 with the start of the Palestinian uprising. The translation of the word many in Daniel 9:27 is Rab.The three kings subdued by the beast all happened during the seven years of the Oslo Accords. It was written in Israeli newspapers that Arafat was proud to say he affected the elections in Israel three times. Every time a terrorist incident occurred the Israeli public would vote in someone else. Another parable that shows Arafat is the beast of Rev. 13 is verse 3. One of his heads is wounded to death and the deadly wound is healed. This word head refers to a nation. Seven heads are seven mountains and seven mountains are seven nations. The deadly head [Nation] wound is the land taken by Israel in the 1967 war and wanted by the Arabs for a Palestinian homeland. As land is given back to the Arabs through negotiation it is being healed. Arafat was able to operate for three in a half years and in the middle of the 7 years negotiations failed culminating in the uprising in Sept. 2000.

I used to assume like most other Christians that all verses with numbers fit within the seventieth week of Daniel. I soon learned after watching the events in Israel and reading the Bible that there may be an alternative interpretation. I fell into the same trap that scholars across time have done. The only difference between us and them is that we are living it and they were just interpreting scripture. The bottom line is the seven year period of Daniel 9:27 is over. We are now awaiting the start of Rev.12 which is very close. Once Satan is kicked out of heaven he will be a God to all those who have rejected Jesus.


Back to Arafat. If you know who the first beast of Revelation is then the Second beast can be found.

Rev. 13:11 "And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and he spake as a dragon".

The second beast has two horns which are two kings. After the death of Arafat on Nov. 11, 2004, new elections were called. The other beast rising out of the Earth was elected Jan.9, 2005, he was Mahmoud Abbas. The second horn is Hamas which won elections in Jan. 2006.

Rev. 13:12 "and he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein, to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed".

Mahmoud Abbas exercises all the power of Arafat and he causes them to worship him who’s deadly wound was healed. Remember the deadly wound identifies Arafat. The word worship can also be translated to honor.

Rev 13:16 ,"And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand , or in their foreheads".

This brings me to the mark of the beast. If I am declaring that the second beast of Revelation 13 is Mahmoud Abbas, what is his mark? The mark of the false prophet; the one who maintains the legacy of Arafat, and the second beast of Revelation happened on Election Day January 9, 2005. During the election for President of the Palestinian Authority, after a person voted, he was forced to put his right thumb in indelible ink that lasted for 48 hours to prevent double voting...Abbas was the direct cause for the indelible ink mark. It was applied to all no matter what economic status they held.


Revelation 14:9-10 ..."If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, the same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb."


It's been a long time since I have written anything. I've just been watching patiently and keeping a good record. The end of the matter is this. Jesus is God and what he said was true. All others are pretenders to the throne.

The Watchman of Ephraim Hosea 9:8
This letter has been edited slightly from the original. A couple items were
deleted and a few spelling errors corrected. This letter was written before
Hamas won the elections of Jan.2006. The second horn was changed from
Abu Ala to Hamas.That was the only major correction in almost 2.5
years...It first appeared that the new office of Prime Minister, which was
created was the second horn, but it is much easier 2.5 years later to see
that it was Hamas. This letter and these writings are all observations.
At that time Hamas wasn't an issue.








Posted by: Christian Commando

Oh I see now, you one of those who follow the teaching that man is going thru what Revelation is describing, right now. Ok.

Well, alright, if you insist, but tell me this then- if we are, how is it, Christ declares that evil shalle wax worse till it reaches a time as it was in Noah's Day, which will be during the anti-christ's reign, but we haven't reached that yet? Nothing for evil is going on at a level as yet to equal God wanting to destroy man off the earth.

Second- If we are about to enter the time described in Rev. 12, how is it, the incredible disasterous Wrath of God shown happening in 6 thru to Chap. 10, we haven't seen happen yet? Yes, we've seen disasters happen, but Jesus declares these things would also happen and get worse over time. Yet we are not experiencing whatsoever, the level of Tribulation now, as described going on in those chapters mentioned.

Third- Yes, the second beast has two horns, but where do you get they are two kings from Scripture? Thats not in context whatsoever. The exact wording is this-

13:11- "And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a Dragon."

"Lamb" Gk 721- lamb, sheep, "the Lamb", (title of Christ).

And the Scripture says- two horns "as a lamb", depicting it to be a religious leader, not having to do with any "kings" at all. And God no where in His Word speaks of only two kings being represented by only "two horns".

But, God does teach us the "10 horns are 10 Kings"- Dan. 7:23-25. (Not two).

Rev. 13:12- " and causeth the earth and them that dwell therein to worship the first beast." (Vs 7,8) as well- "power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues and nations" (all), not just one. "all that dwell on the earth shall worship him,"- (all).

Earth- planet. " and them that dwell therein"- around the whole earth- (not just a lone Country).

"worship"-Heb. 5457- Grk 4352- to worship, pay homage, show reverence,to kneel down (before), worship [35], worshipped[24], worshipping[1]. Same word from Dan. 3:5 is same as Rev. 13:4.

But we "honor" God in worship by following His Word and living as He instructs. But, in both cases, it clearly shows worshipping of a god. Which is why in Dan. 3:12-14, there is no mistake as well, its worshipping the beast as a god.

Well, its clear then, if over the course of 2.5 years if a correction had to be made in this prophecy, if its claimed as that, proves, it is not of God. For God is never wrong when speaks the Truth in Prophecy thru His Children.

God Bless!!


Posted by: ephraim65

Quote:
Originally Posted by Christian Commando
Well, its clear then, if over the course of 2.5
years if a correction had to be made in this prophecy, if its claimed as
that, proves, it is not of God. For God is never wrong when speaks the
Truth in Prophecy thru His Children.

God Bless!!
Well, Mister Commando you may be right. If any Christians like you
actually said something that could be refuted, then you might be caught
in a mistake. Although, since nothing Christians ever say happens it is
highly unlikely. In other words, in order for one to know there is a mistake
the majority of the prophecy had to be correct. Otherwise, it is like your
philosophy. It is all wrong and nothing can be proven. We just have to wait
and wait and wait and wait...
The only thing you have correct is that Jesus is God. At least I'm in the
right ballpark and have named all the right people. Your ideas about
prophecy come from people long in the grave. I prefer to pass judgment
from the Word of God and my own eyes. That is why we were told to
watch. Your description of events are similar to what people have always
envisioned. That is the problem. You are waiting for your version of events
without reguard to the real facts. Facts which can be interpreted as I am
interpreting them. In the end we are both on the same side. What disturbs
me is you spend your whole life learning the Word of God and when it
comes time to apply this knowledge you remain blind.

Blind is ok though. It keeps the anxiety level down. I mean if we knew
everything, it would certainly make for alot of nervous individuals.
The Watchman of Ephraim


Posted by: Christian Commando

Ephraim65-

Forgive me if I have offended you. But you should know as well, God teaches us to "test the spirit". I was doing so, thats all. I'm sorry if the doctrine about this topic does not line up with God's Word. It is purely your choice what to believe and I honor you for that. But as God has called us moderators here to help be sure Godly Teachings are put forth on this Prayer board, it is the Moderator's "call" of God to test the spirit of that which is shared on here.

God declares His Word proves and reproves Itself and thus, is profitable for proving other doctrine. And all I asked was for more proof than one Chapter of one Book of God's Word to back up this doctrinal belief.

To show my honor to you in return, I shared a variety of Scriptures from other parts of God's Word, so that you would see I honor my request to you, by doing so myself to back up my point of view.

As for mistakes my friend, I've made plenty over the years of my life and expect to still for the rest of it. I'm no more perfect than anyone else. But I thank God I am weak, for the fact God declares that when we are weak He is strong.

As far as doctrinal mistakes, there would have to be more proof from God's Word than just what was presented, before we could accept the doctrine you shared as Truth of God. As the mistake I see, is in accepting any of this doctrine shared without more backing from God's Word. So far, theres just not enough biblical evidence to prove this was fulfilment of prophecy.

There is no attack going against you. God teaches us the battle is not of the flesh, but of the spirit. And as Moderators here, we are called to ensure good sound doctrine of God is being shared, as according to God's guidance from His Word and by the Holy Spirit for testing such.

I beg to differ about my "ideas of prophecy" you mentioned to an extent. Yes, I do go by Early Church Teachings. Thats because they were the first Leaders after the Apostles, of which we can still get the most accurate Teachings of God's Word from, coming strait from people taught by the Apostles themselves. That part I agree with you on.

But, God's teaching of me goes much further than that, in reading and studying God's Word to show myself approved in rightly dividing Truth. From this, I've learned, that God always provides main Concepts for us to follow. He supports His Concepts, with precepts. And Precepts God supports with Principles.

Thru learning of such, you'll find what Jesus declared was true- "upon this rock, I shall build My Church". As such, every block in each wall helps to support and strengthen the other blocks.

The concrete foundation is Christ, upon which all Truth rests. But, He gave us blocks at the bottom rows as Concepts- (main belief). The middle rows are all Precepts, which give us slightly more detail about the Concepts. The top rows are the Principles. Of which give us even more detail, supporting the Precepts, to support the concepts.

In understanding that, we realize, that whatever we witness, whatever appears to be prophecy fulfilled, whatever we hear, we can go to God's Word and find testimony in God's Word from several areas, not just one, to know if of God or not for such.

Thats fine if you wish to go according to your own interpretation. But, where that interpretation is not fully backed up as God declares it should be, in His Word, you will end up like in this discussion, in others, unable to Biblically support those beliefs, before anyone else who has enough knowledge and wisdom of God to search the Scriptures and question those beliefs as I had.

Well my friend, there are a whole number of Scriptures to show why the "Tribulation Period" from Rev. Chap. 4- Chap. 19 could not be going on as yet.

But those who refuse to accept those Scriptures as literally spoken for what they mean, and try to spiritualize them, end up standing on a single post out in deep water with no support for those beliefs. Instead, they have to take the rest of God's Word out of context, in order to make thier original teachings hold up.

You may not want to "wait, wait, wait", as you say, but God has His Timing and Purpose for all things on this earth. And He has no desire to end things quickly, but to be patient and give more people a chance to get saved. Thus, wether you or I or anyone else likes it, we will have to wait for God's time to have all things work out.

You spoke of the disregard I had "to the real facts". If you can follow as God declares and not only prove, but also reprove the doctrine you believe in from God's Word- (that means from more than just one set of Scriptures from one Book in God's Word), maybe then I'll consider it.

How many times have I asked for the above, but this has not been done?

Satan and his demons can prophecy too you know. I have all kinds of documentations on the likes of the Fatima, Garabandal incidents, Gordan Micheal Scallion, Edgar Casey, Elisabeth Clair Prophet, Nostradamus and countless others and have proven all of these false doctrines of Satan from God's Word.

And plent of "so called" Prophets of God today claim in thier teachings, Prophecies don't have to be 100% accurate. Hmmm, well... they can't be of God then can they? Is God ever wrong? Does He ever lie? No to both. Thus, a Prophet who has the Holy spirit speaking a prophecy thru them will always be 100% accurate.

Well, consider this, its better to be blind and have God open your eyes, than to claim you see, but see not.

Thank you so much my friend for that compliment. You are truely a wonderful person.

God Bless!!