Pages: 1

A Mormon President?

(Click here to view the original thread with full colors/images)

Posted by: MarvellousWork

Hello friends,

It is official that Mitt Romney is running for US President.

Having lived in Massa-liberal-chusetts all my life, and the last four years under Romney's administration, and also being a Latter-day Saint, I have some obvious biases in his favor.

But, I am interested in what others have to say here.

Yes, there are serious doctrinal differences, but putting these aside for a moment, what are people's thoughts on a Mormon President?

Thanks,


Posted by: eagle4him

I am totally against having a Moron President!


Posted by: diamondcreates

Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle4him
I am totally against having a Moron President!

WHY ARE YOU AGAINST A MORMON PRESIDENT? JUST A QUESTION, I AM NOT A MORMON BUT JUST CURIOUS AS TO WHY SO AGAINST ONE?


Posted by: ninababy73

Like Bruce, I am against having a Mormon president.

Mormoms (LDS) are NOT Christians. It is a cult "religion".

Our next president needs to continue to be one who follows our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. (PERIOD)

***FYI: This will be the last time I post in this thread as I do not want to nor find it necessary to get into a cat and mouse game. I am a Christian. End of discussion ***


Posted by: MarvellousWork

Quote:
Originally Posted by ninababy73
...
Our next president needs to continue to be one who follows our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. (PERIOD)

...
Good point here. Except that Latter-day Saints do strive to follow Jesus Christ to the best of their ability. Like I stated earlier, there are doctrinal differences, but the same standards of Christ-like living and upright moral conduct that any believer in Christ is obligated to adhere to are the same standards that LDS strive to live. If you look at the outward works (in my opinion the only way to tell a true follower of Christ) of a faithful Latter-day Saint and another person who follows Christ with the same devotion, you would be hard-pressed to be able to tell the religious association of one vs. the other.

(Disclaimer: I am not advocating any particular political party or candidate, I believe that a person should be free to vote as they see fit.)


Posted by: akabezalel

Quote:
Yes, there are serious doctrinal differences, but putting these aside for a moment, what are people's thoughts on a Mormon President?


Hi Everyone!

Austin asked what you thought of the man as a leader not his religion.

Terse and barely civil replies are not exactly Christ-like in response to his question.

We are all supposedly adults in this forum since anyone under 13 is not allowed in the Non-Believers forum and I expect civil posts if you cannot manage a Christ-like answer please.

Austin: You did open the door to a hot button issue in general (elections ) with this thread, can you tell us what Romney is like as a political leader so that we can answer your question without the added hot button of "religion & politics"?

Thanks Everyone!

BTW... I suggest that EVERYONE (posting or not) go check out ALL the candidates on their own and vote informed on their platform and not just with your emotional reaction to a candidates faith.

Pro 8:15 By me kings (presidents) reign, and leaders (senators & congressmen & state officials) decree righteousness.
Pro 8:16 Rulers and nobles rule by me, and all the judges of the earth.

Rom 13:1 Let every soul be submitting to higher [or, governing] authorities, for [there] is no authority except from God, but the existing authorities have been appointed by God.
Rom 13:2 Accordingly, the one setting himself in opposition to the [governing] authority has resisted God's ordinance, and the ones having resisted will receive judgment to themselves.
Rom 13:3 For the ones ruling are not a terror of good works, _but_ of evil [works]. So do you want to not be fearing the [governing] authority? Be doing good, and you will have praise [or, approval] from it [i.e. the ruling authority].
Rom 13:4 For it is a servant of God to you for good. But if you are doing evil, be fearing, for it does not bear the sword without reason. For it is a servant of God, an avenger for wrath to the one doing evil.
Rom 13:5 For this reason, it is necessary to be subjecting oneself, not only because of wrath, _but_ also because of your conscience.
Rom 13:6 Then, for this reason, you* also pay taxes, for they are public servants of God attending continually [or, devoting themselves] to this very thing.
Rom 13:7 Therefore, pay to all the [things] due [to them]: to the one the tax the tax, to the one the custom [or, tribute] the custom, to the one the fear the fear, to the one the honor the honor.

1Ti 2:1 Therefore, I urge first of all [for] petition to be continually made, prayers, intercessions, [and] thanksgivings, on behalf of all people:
1Ti 2:2 on behalf of kings and the ones being in positions of authority, so that we shall lead a tranquil and peaceful life in all godliness and dignity.
1Ti 2:3 For this [is] good and acceptable before God our Savior,
1Ti 2:4 who desires all people [or, peoples] to be saved and to come to a full [or, true] knowledge of the truth.


Posted by: Christian Commando

Akabezalel is right. Since the question was about political stance and not religious, it would be best to know where this presidential hopeful stands on issues.

Secondly tho- Let us remember, from the very beginnings of our nations birth, early leaders who wrote up and established the governing statutes in the Decl. of Independance and Constitution, based the fundamental living in true freedom, from pure biblical Principles, of which they left england, for siteing 27 Biblical violations against both the Roman Catholic Church and government of england for coming to this continent to live free.

As such, it is commonly understood, according to the above US documents, 2 different understandings-

1- That we cannot have a true seperation of Church and state when the government operation is based on Biblical Principles.

2- That a Government Leader who is not following a Christian religion, will not be demonstrating pure biblical "Fruit" in thier leading of this country, but worldly based- satanic thinking in thier operations and decisions.

But, a choice cannot be made, unless a person is given the chance to state what they believe in as a platform for fulfilling the position of President of the US.

God bless!!


Posted by: MarvellousWork

Quote:
Originally Posted by akabezalel

...
Austin: You did open the door to a hot button issue in general (elections ) with this thread, can you tell us what Romney is like as a political leader so that we can answer your question without the added hot button of "religion & politics"?
...
First, I should say that I don't know the guy personally, so any positive light I throw on him is purely from observation.

Consider that a conservative Republican stepped in to run the most liberal state in the Union. After all, a man can come to Mass and marry his brother. Most of the House and Senate are liberal D's and the Judicial branch is keen on lawmaking, so kind of like Daniel getting tossed in with the lions.

Of all the opposition Mitt faced, he managed to pull off balancing the state budget for the first time in years, with a surplus of $300 mil without raising taxes. (I think that's the right figure, don't quote me.) State-wide mandatory healthcare is (almost) in place. After being elected, Mitt refused to be paid for being the Gov. The state is on much stronger footing than 4 years ago. Yes, due to overwhelming opposition, he did take some lion scars, and some battles were lost, but he put up a great fight in my opinion. Most of the opposition came from that fact that he had a different letter behind his name from most everyone else, as barely anyone in the northeast has any idea what a Mormon is or believes.

I am sure that you will hear of his accomplishments in MA and in the Olimpics in the year to come better than I can summarize them, so keep informed.

A guy I go to church with knows him pretty well, having worked with him for 20+ years in various church assignments, and summarized him as, "This guy is the real deal."

The scriptures you listed in your post are perfect. I would like to remind all to lift up your prayers in behalf of all our leaders, like 'em or not, like their religion or not. People just need to do the right thing, and this seems missing in much of politics.

CC's post was on target that it is hard to judge a person unless you know where they stand on issues. I don't know if Mitt has a web site up with his info on it, but I will look for it. Like you I hope that thinking folks make their decision based on informed knowledge and not on knee-jerk or emotional reaction.


Posted by: JG

Quote:
Originally Posted by MarvellousWork
Hello friends,

It is official that Mitt Romney is running for US President.

Having lived in Massa-liberal-chusetts all my life, and the last four years under Romney's administration, and also being a Latter-day Saint, I have some obvious biases in his favor.

But, I am interested in what others have to say here.

Yes, there are serious doctrinal differences, but putting these aside for a moment, what are people's thoughts on a Mormon President?

Thanks,




I will be watching this thread with great interest.
You asked
Quote:
what are people's thoughts on a Mormon President?


The better question should have been.

What do you think of Mitt Romney for president?

I only care about the man not his religion.
Where does he stand on the issues that are important to my Jesus and me.

Now if he were Muslim and had taken an oath to destroy Israel,
that I would be interested in praying about his religion.

Let's pray for all those who have chosen to run for president.
Let's pray the Lord will have His man rise to the top in this election


Posted by: sonrise

JC and CC hit the nail on the head. It is not about the man's religion but the man himself who is running for Pres.

We have had men in office who said they were christians, yet lived a very ungodly life. We have had men who were christians and very deeply involved in Free masonry, George Washington, being one of them.

We have had one who's wife went to China and took part in a conference concerning women, that was in actuality promoting a gay lifestyle. The only way I found out about it was through Focus on the Family and now she is running for Pres. and she says she is a Christian.

I trust in my God and will lean heavily on Him to lead and guide me in all wisdom, understanding, and knowledge as we head into elections for our Pres. I will vote according to my Lord, and He can put anyone He wants in the White House!!


Posted by: diamondcreates

Quote:
Originally Posted by sonrise
JC and CC hit the nail on the head. It is not about the man's religion but the man himself who is running for Pres.

We have had men in office who said they were christians, yet lived a very ungodly life. We have had men who were christians and very deeply involved in Free masonry, George Washington, being one of them.

We have had one who's wife went to China and took part in a conference concerning women, that was in actuality promoting a gay lifestyle. The only way I found out about it was through Focus on the Family and now she is running for Pres. and she says she is a Christian.

I trust in my God and will lean heavily on Him to lead and guide me in all wisdom, understanding, and knowledge as we head into elections for our Pres. I will vote according to my Lord, and He can put anyone He wants in the White House!!

I TOO WILL BE WATCHING THIS PRESIDENCY RUN TO THE WHITE HOUSE WITH MUCH INTEREST. FOR I AM NOT GOING TO VOTE AGAINST A PERSON DUE TO THEIR RELIGION THAT THEY PRATICE. THAT IS THEIR GOD GIVEN RIGHT TO SERVE HIM THE WAY THEY WANT TO SERVE HIM. THIS IS GOING TO BE A VERY INTERESTING ELECTION TO THE WHITE HOUSE TO SAY THE LEAST. I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE MAN/WOMAN'S RELIGION- ETC, CATHOLIC, PENTICOSTAL, BAPTIST. ETC. AS LONG AS THEY HAVE THE ETHIC OF HOW TO TREAT THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY WITH DIGNITY, RESPECT, AND MUCH CONCERN AND CONSIDERATION FOR THE NEXT PERSON, WHETHER THEY ARE RICH OR POOR. WE ALL DESERVE EQUAL RIGHTS. BE BLESS ALL


Posted by: MarvellousWork

Thanks all for the input.

I posted this because I have read of late articles from major newssources that state many Evangelicals will not vote for a Mormon for president because of religious differences.

You all have disproved this theory, which I am grateful for.

Please remember to vote prayerfully and with conscience.

Thanks,


Posted by: eagle4him

I honestly care more about his values. Where does he stand on the issue of abortion? On same-sex marriage? On the balanced budget agenda? How does he stand on the war and what is his stand on terrorism? What is his foreign affairs policy? What about Social Security? About National healthcare? Where does he stand on the economy? Who would he appoint to the Supreme Court?

Is he for a National Sales tax as opposed to the current Federal Income tax system?

--just a few questions we should ask of any candidate.


Posted by: MarkSentMe

Quote:
I honestly care more about his values. Where does he stand on the issue of abortion? On same-sex marriage? On the balanced budget agenda? How does he stand on the war and what is his stand on terrorism? What is his foreign affairs policy? What about Social Security? About National healthcare? Where does he stand on the economy? Who would he appoint to the Supreme Court?


AMEN!! These are the issues which are important.

Hopefully he will be outspoken and bold enough to say the truth in regards to what the Bible says about abortion, same-sex marriage, etc. Too many people are more worried about what people think than what God thinks. Speaking the truth on these issues doesn't earn you many Brownie points here on earth, but we're only here for a short time anyway!


Posted by: eagle4him

Here are a few of the reasons why I would not vote for Mitt Romney:

Firs of all his Mormonism is not the problem. God will judge him for that. In a recent Gallup poll about 17% of the voters polled cited that they would not vote for him because of his religion. But that is between him and God!

1. He is pro-choice. He favors allowing a woman the right to choose to have an abortion.

2. He is for "domestic partnerships" as opposed to "gay marriage, but that is still an abomination in the eyes of the Lord.

3. He favors liberal judges, like Stephen Albany, who was appointed by Romney and who is also a member of the Board of Directors of the Massachusetts Lesbian and Gay Bar Association.

So you see, the fact that Romney is a Mormon is not the problem. What I see is the fact that his beliefs cloud his judgement. God will judge him for his beliefs. We must make a decision to either vote or not vote for him based upon the results of his beliefs and convictions.

I think that I have seen enough of this same type of liberalism to know that this is not the type of leader for our country.

So for me the bottom line is this: it is not the fact that he is a Mormon that I would not vote for him. It is rather the decisions that he makes because of his beliefs that I am against.

This is just my opinion and each one has to decide for themselves!

God bless you all as you research and pray about these Presidential Candidates. May God's will for our country be done!

Bruce Piatt


Posted by: MarkSentMe

well, I guess that settles that.




Posted by: MarvellousWork

eagle4him, I believe that you have some of Mitt's stances on things wrong.

Check out his web site.


Posted by: JeriRose12

You seem to be saying the man is seperate from the religion....but how so? I am a Christian, and I have one goal: for Jesus Christ to shine thorugh me. I want my "religion" to be reflected through me in EVERY way. I want to appear Christ-like to all. As a Christian, I would want to speak for Jesus if I was in the Whitehouse. Would Mitt Romney not want to speak for the Mormon religion? This nation was founded on Christian principles, the principles found in THE BIBLE, not on the Book of Mormon. Wouldn't a Mormon president try to make a fundamental shift in what this nation has traditionally believed and upheld (not that it's upheld so much now)? Wouldn't a Christian be more in the right to pray our next president is a Christian, rather than to settle for Mitt Romney, simply because his morals are similar to a Christians? I continue to pray our next president is a Spirit-filled Christian, sold out to Jesus Christ.

~JeriRose~
In HIM in 2007


Posted by: JeriRose12

I read some positive, pro-family, pro-life comments by him, where he says every child should have a mother and a father and that abortion should end.... he sounds good. He says we are a nation of "faith." All that he stands for sounds good, is very concervative in nature....

I have, to the best of my ability, always voted for a man who said he was a Christian, according to The Bible's description of a follower of Christ (in case you don't like the term "Christian"). I have heard Christians say we need God in America again, to quote a Carman song. But WHICH god? When people say we are a nation of "faith," they are including faiths of various relgious -- as in faith in Allah, faith in Bhudda, faith in Hare Krishna, faith in some cult leader.... they don't just mean The God Of The Bible. When these groups say all faiths need to come together and pray, we, as Christians would not agree together with a Bhuddist or Muslim....we do not pray to the same god, so we would not even consider getting into a prayer vigil with them. So why would we vote for man who does not worship the same god as us? How can we come in agreement, so to speak, with a man who does not believe or follow The Truth? If he is deceived into believing false teachings, is he not deceived in other areas? More than likely.

I know you will not agree with me, Austin. You will say Mormonism is truth....I put this up to my fellow Christians.

I am unsure how we can support a man, no matter what issues he is for, if he is diametrically opposed to the essentials of The Gospel. Somewhere along the line, is he not going to be against The Truth of God's Word as expressed in EVERY facet and detail? Will his beliefs that are contrary to scripture not come into play in decisions he makes? If these are his personal convictions and beliefs, how can they not have some kind of influence on his actions as our president?

George W. Bush prays to The One And Only True God. This man will not. If we truly believe he is swallowing doctrines of demons, is he not praying to demons? Will demons not be at work behind the scenes, no matter what issues he is for and pushing?

I see how God could use him to get conservative bills passed. But it is a change of men's hearts, not the laws, that will really turn our nation around. Rather than decide this man might be the one, I would pray (as I continue to do) for a Christian person to step forward. We need someone who will lead this nation into repentance, salvation, revival. A Mormon will not do that.

So....keep on praying with me that our next president is sold out to Jesus Christ.

~JeriRose~
In HIM in 2007


Posted by: MarkSentMe

My friend was saying that Obama could be the anti-Christ....I think Mitt Romney could be it.


Posted by: JeriRose12

At any rate, I am praying the next president be GOD'S CHOICE. Someone told me it was prophecied the next president would be saved after being elected. So perhaps that would happen to Mitt. No matter who the president is, we know Christians will be praying for him/her, so their chances of getting saved are great.

~JeriRose~
In HIM in 2007


Posted by: diamondcreates

Quote:
Originally Posted by JeriRose12
At any rate, I am praying the next president be GOD'S CHOICE. Someone told me it was prophecied the next president would be saved after being elected. So perhaps that would happen to Mitt. No matter who the president is, we know Christians will be praying for him/her, so their chances of getting saved are great.

~JeriRose~
In HIM in 2007

Amen, Jeri, Amen.... you hit it right on the head. I have heard the same thing about the next president, that he shall be GOD"S CHOICE, and a true christian, whom is about doing the right thing for HIS people not for his pockets and rich friends.


Posted by: Christian Commando

Yes, amen to that. As God shows us, He gives us in His Word, how the future of man and this world will go. He does not give every detail, but to know that whatever happens, He is directing all things to work out as He has prophecied it will.

As with what happened with Jona of Old Test fame and with Saul of Tarsus, New Test fame, we do not need to worry if a peron is saved and reborn or not. God shows He is in control and all things shall unfold according to His will and fore knowledge of all that will happen in the future.

We can think all we want, things are not going along as we think best, just remember, God is directing things, not us, and He is omnipresent, omnipotent and omnicient, and above all else, perfect, unlike any of us, who are not any of those attributes of God.

God Bless!!


Posted by: Jon Henry

I think we should pray for all the government leaders that God has placed in authority over us. They need His divine guidance and instruction now more than anyother time in the history of this world.

Heavenly Father, Almighty and Merciful God of all creation, I humbly come before You with this prayer and in the holy name of my Redeemer, Jesus Christ. Father God, bless this country, our president and the government leaders in Washington and in the rest of the world. Send Your Holy Spirit and Your heavenly angels to protect and direct these people as they struggle with the political demands and decisions of our great country and the countries we are trying to help onto having the freedom to choose to know You as we do. Help our elected officials and all the government leaders You have placed in authority over us, to put aside their personal petty bickerings and differences so that they can focus their attentions on taking care of the business of this great country and the people You have entrusted them with. Soften the hearts of our leaders who don't know You and Your Son personally that they may come to trust and rely on You for divine and supernatural guidance and instruction so that Your will is done. I ask the Holy Spirit and as many brothers and sisters who read this prayer, to stand in agreement with me in asking these things in the most precious holy name of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.....Amen.




Posted by: Christian Commando

I agree in prayer, for the fact I've seen, by historical accounts, unsaved people chosen to lead our country alone, who had appeared, in many caes, to have lead this country by Godly inspiration according to documented speeches given and more.

The Leader of us, does not have to be saved and reborn, as God knows who will serve best, according to where we are in the time leading to Christ's return and how things must go as God foresees our future. Thus, I still pray for the Leaders of our country to be guided by God, tho it will be according to His Will by foreknowledge, how events must go.

As such, I'm not concerned with what religion the next President will be, much less race or gender of them. Thats not important. What is, is that the "Body of Christ" is lifting them before the Lord to be guided as God knows they must be, for all things to work out as God has already seen for us way ahead of time.

Thank you for your time-


Posted by: peapod

With what's being offered on the Democratic side, I could never bring myself to vote Democratic.

My serious choices will be the Republican or Libertarian runner. It may or may not be Mitt, but even if it is, it's better than Hillary or Obama.


Posted by: Samuel_W

you guys should check out ron paul, running in the republican primaries. Hes gaining a lot of momentum. He did well in the iowa straw poll, when you consider the very small amount of money he has spent (compared to mit romney) and he won the alabama straw poll by a landslide. despite all of this, he has not gotten much national attention.

He has the most conservative voting record of anyone in congress, is anti-abortion as he believes the role of a nation is to protect LIFE liberty and pursuit of happiness. He was formerly a obstetrician who has delivered thousands of babies. Really, he is founding father material.
When he speaks, he speaks with passion and conviction.... I really think this man is the best person to lead this nation at this critical time in Americas history.

I pray everyday for his success, and slowly but surely God is answering my prayers, bc he is really starting to gain in popularity.


Posted by: Christian Commando

While I may listen to what each stands for and claims to back, I've seen enough not get much done what they stood for to get voted in. Therefore, I listen to all sides, and am in prayer for God to lead me who to vote for, that His choice, not mine, is voted on by me.

God bless!!


Posted by: Rmartel

If you ask me about a President being Mormon?
I will say first I like Glenn Beck a TV host; not to say I believe everything he says. I am quite aware of the doctirnes of the Mormon church. And i went their a few times to win them over to Christ. A good movie that I watch is called the "God makers"( On the Mormons). I went into a Mormon church years ago and heard from I believe the big Guy "The Letter of the Law brings death" Now the other part is the Spirit brings Life. There were a lot of suicides among teens in Sault Lake City Utah. And this place is predominantly Mormon.
I believe a lot of Mormons attempt to keep the Law by there own abilities not
by casting there burdens upon Christ. I do not believe the mormons are interested in saving anyone and Either are the JW's but they network instead. and do practice good works. But I have known my own righteousness is as filty rags. I believe we do have the Holy Spirit today according to John 16 called the "Spirit of truth" Unfortunately talking to JW's they do not believe this anymore as they have told me so. So I posed them with this problem. Now the bible says God is Spirit and desires to be worship in true Spirit . So how is that possible with out Gods Holy Spirit.
The Bible tells us in the book of Luke do not go door to door. This is what Jesus told them but go where you are welcomed.
Luk 10:7Andinthesamehouseremain,eatinganddrinkingsuch things as they give:forthelaborerisworthyofhishire.Gonotfromhousetohouse.
Now it appears Jesus is a brother to the Mormons and to the JW's he is the Angel Micheal.but upon reading the Bible we get a totally different picture of who Jesus is and the is no other name....
Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. As I quote quite often unless God build the house the laborer labors in vain.
In one year alone the Mormons deleted 200 words from their book. Brigam Young Joseph's Smiths prophet had said there was life on the moon but the Apollo mission prove this statement wrong.
Now I see the good works that most Mormons perform.
And have read the Book of Mormon as well.
I was on a bus one day and talking to this one person and this other person asked which church I belonged to. Now rather then saying which one I belonged too I told her. I believe that Jesus Christ is lord over all the churches.
She then made accusations at me and said she was a Mormon and that she worshipped a seven letter God mentioned in Isaiah 14.
So I feel the Best way of really seeing who Gods wants in is too inquire of God Like David did; rather then being accused of being a Dominionist. Then voting for that person if God indeed answers.
Now somethings I have asked God ;thru Jesus and I have not always realized an answer. None Of the Ones running appear to put God first but some have made claims to belonging to a church of some sort. In this present time with all that is happenning I would really be praying about this election and asking God to do what he desires and for guidance.Many thought Hitler was a nice guy and he even
hosted the 1936 Olympics; and even the Pope visited this nice man and then he just want his old Germany back. So they let him take that back. Meanwhile Winston churchill was not fooled but he was called the fool. So this is why it is so important to pray. I have heard politicians make promises then back track haven't you.
I feel all nations need to get back to the word and Jesus.
This may involve repentance.
I would prefer one that has the Spirit of God in him;
a true believer; which is not a Mormon or a JW nor a Mason
nor Aluminati or any of the countless other affiliations.
But if I could not have that;than I would have to go by their promises and wether I felt they were genuine or not.
Rmartel


Now if you ask me about
Rmartel



Posted by: Rmartel

In the above post it should state" I believe we still have the Holy Spirit today;"so that John 3 may still be in effect. And a Former Mormon said it would be easier for a dog to catch a moving truck ;then a Mormon or a JW to save someone because they are not interested in doing that only networking.
Rmartel


Posted by: kaleidescope-eyes

Akabezalel brought up relevant scriptures (Thank-you!)

But even as Paul wrote in Romans about submitting to governmental authority, this was in reference to newly-converted Christians living under the dictatorship of pagan rulers.

Also, In the Old Testament, Jews often lived directly under pagan kings, or otherwise (as a sometimes-nervous neighboring nation, putting their faith in God’s protection) in the shadow of their imperial might. Nonetheless, The Old Testament identifies at least a few pagan rulers and nations as being raised up by God in order to accomplish His purposes and plans to execute justice in the earth, PRIMARILY and oftentimes EXCLUSIVELY among and for the Israelites (See Amos 1 AND Amos 3:1-2), for the sake of His chosen ones, the seed of Abraham through Isaac (See Romans 9).



Remember that both Daniel (an Old-Testament Jew) and Joseph (an Old-Testament Jew) were ANNOINTED by God as Prime Ministers of Babylon and Egypt, respectively. In each case, the King Babylon (Nebuchadnezzar) and the King of Egypt (Pharaoh) acknowledged the LORD God’s Anointed as having the Spirit of the Wisdom of God. Furthermore, both pagan kings relinquished their royal powers to those of a mere figurehead, while giving all real authority to God’s Annointed (Daniel, Joseph).

King Ahasuerus, ruler of the vast Persian Empire, was so enamoured by his new Queen Esther (an Old-Testament Jew) that he offered her equal and independent powers of rule over “up to half the kingdom.” Thus Satan’s plans for Jewish holocaust were exposed and thwarted.



In each of these cases: Daniel, Joseph, and Esther: God wielded his rulership through the pagan kings PRIMARILY AND IN SOME WAYS EXCLUSIVELY FOR THE SAKE OF HIS CHOSEN PEOPLE, the seed of Abraham through Isaac.



Also, keep in mind that these societies were under strict and sever ruler-ship, to the extent that the king’s anger or disappointment in anyone resulted in their immediate execution (think Stalin, etc.).



Given that we in Canada and the U.S.A enjoy the freedoms of Democracy, we need to pray for wisdom as to how and to what extent we must be involved in our particular political processes and structures.



If Americans were to have a God-fearing president with various Spirit-filled Christian advisors and administrators, this would probably suffice.



As we are commanded to pray for those in authority, my prayer for the presidential candidate Mitt Romney would be that he come to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ, who is GOD.



-- kaleidoscope-eyes


Posted by: kaleidescope-eyes

So it is inconsequential to me whether the President is Mormon – Although he may be well-intentioned, he is the same to me as anyone who believes in any “higher power” or does his best to do good works … all OUTSIDE of the TRUE Gospel of Jesus Christ.



MarvellousWork, you said,

“Latter-day Saints do strive to follow Jesus Christ to the best of their ability.” I’m sure they do – that being the Jesus of the Mormons. But there can’t be TWO Jesus’ – one who IS God (as in the Gospel of John, and the entire New Testament, which fulfills the Old Testament) and one who is NOT God, but a created being, as Mormons believe.





In the song “Industrial Disease” by the rock band Dire Straits, there is a part that says,



‘Two men say they’re Jesus – one of them must be wrong!

There’s a protest singer, he’s singin’ a protest song…”



At a recent job, working at a high school, I had to help out in the supervision of a cognitive abilities test. One section had questions such as, “If x = y, and y = z, then the following is true…” And given a set of answers, the right one is “x = z”



Accordingly,

In John Chapter 1, it says,

(1-5)“At the beginning, God expressed himself. That personal expression, that Word, was with God, and was God, and He existed with God from the beginning.

All creation took place through Him, and none took place without Him.

In Him appeared life and this life was the light of mankind.

The light still shines in the darkness and the darkness has never put it out.



(14) So the Word of God became a human being and lived among us.



(29b)“Look, there is the lamb of God who will take away the sins of the world!”





Mormons believe that Jesus is NOT God, but rather a created being.



However, in John 1, Jesus Christ is identified as the Word of God:



So,

“x = y” , meaning: Jesus = The Word of God

And

“y = z” , meaning: The Word = God.
(In fact, the Word existed with God BEFORE ANYTHING WAS CREATED. Everything was created WITH Him and THROUGH Him.)

THEREFORE,

“x = z” , meaning: Jesus Christ = God



So Jesus Christ IS God!



Furthermore, in this same 1st Chapter of John, Jesus is identified as “the lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world.”



So, if

“x = z” , meaning: Jesus = God

And

“x = q” , meaning: Jesus = the one (the lamb) who takes away the sins of the world

Then,

“x = q”, meaning: God (Jesus) = The lamb who was sacrificed for everyone’s sins.



Salvation hinges on Jesus being God (not a created being) in order to have been made the sacrifice for the sins of the world, via His death on the cross, and His resurrection.



So, according to Mormon doctrine, (whether or not Mormons are aware) there is NO PROVISION OF SALVATION. And if their so-called Jesus is NOT God, as identified by the New Testament, then he is a counterfeit. And if he is a counterfeit, then who made the counterfeit? Is it not Satan, who has the ability to disguise himself as an angel of light? (2 Corinthians 11:14)





However, my question to Mormons remains – in the words of Dire Straits --

“How come Jesus gets Industrial Disease?!?”






“Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world.” (John 1:29b)




Posted by: JeriRose12

I would not dispair if we had a non-Christian in office. I simply try not to vote for one...or I try to vote for the one closest to what I believe are the Bible principles on the issues they deal with. Interesting to note that Jesus never taught on this and Jesus and the disciples lived under some pretty evil kings. Nearly every Old Testament prophet or leader was under pretty evil kings. Jesus taught, "Repent, for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand." The Kingdom of Heaven is not an earthly kingdom, and I don't believe any nation will be a Theocrocy today.

If we read our Bible's clearly there will a time when EVERY nation, including Ameirca will fight against God and Israel. So, we will have an ungoldy president at that time. Many say America does not even get a mention in end time prophecy of the Bible...meaning it will probably not be super power when it's all winding down. I believe we are blessed for our stand with Israel (in danger now) and for our Christian heritage. But I serisouly don't think this blessing will last much longer. As people shift further and further from the belief in God that made this nation strong, I believe we are headed for serious trouble. I see a day when we will be under a totally godless leader, as many were in the Bible, having to live out our faith admist strong opposition, even persecution. But I believe as long as it's our right to vote, we need to vote for a Christian, if one is in the running.

I am favourably impressed with Mike Huckabee, though I recall hearing something that made me not sure about him (and can't remember it now). He does not give a "soft" answer regarding abortion or homosexuality or try to be clever in his wording so as to fool people. He is clearly for the right of the unborn and believes they are a baby from conception. He supports defining marriage as one man married to one woman.

I am not sure we can endorse a candidate on here. . . .so I am just dispensing info.

In trying to make an informed decision, go on their websites and read what they say on the "Issues."

I have my ballot in the house, so I've got to get it filled out and mailed.

~JeriRose~


Posted by: Christian Commando

Well, since two of my friends and I are not very impressed with any of the candidates, we've been thinking of going and writing in each others names, so we all get one vote, hehe, that way we did vote, just not for anyone we could not believe in hehe

But, as I'd pointed out in some other thread also, God will see to it who He wants appointed in Leadership roles to accomplish that which He has prophecied about.

Example- Dan. 2:37- Daniel tells the King- "Thou oh King art a King of Kings; for the God of Heaven hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength and glory."

Mind you, this is a secular, unbelieving King. Thus, God speaks as well in the New Test how He appoints and removes those in power or leadership positions.

Thus God is truely in control of all things and will see His Will be accomplished for our world.

God Bless!!