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Posted by: kf4qhk

John tells us in this book that whomever is "of the Father" or "born on the Son" or any ohter born again terminology will not sin.

What do you think aobut this? Is the Christian supposed to be completely sinless?


Posted by: Rachel R

No.

Rachel R


Posted by: kf4qhk

Well...

Biblically prove that.

Jeremy


Posted by: Rachel R

No, thanks anyway.

It is a waste of time and effort.

There are people to pray for, work to do and things to learn.

Chasing unnecessary works is not for me.

Sorry,
Rachel R


Posted by: Christian Commando

Jeremy-

God tells us in His Word, that we must deal with our "carnal Nature" as a True Child of His- which means, tho we are born again, we still battle with our sinful nature and wanting to sin.

The Apostle Paul also declares, while he belongs to God, he still works to keep his body under subjection, so as not to lose the treasures he has built up in Heaven.

God shows thru Paul as well, how we are to grow from milk drinkers in Christ, into meat eaters in Christ in order to resist the temptations, trials and attacks of satan much better as we grow closer to God thru Christ and by the Holy Spirit.

These among many other examples God provides His Children in order to understand that even tho we are "born again" -of the Spirit, we still will battle the inherited "born in sin" nature we have, as we grow in God, allowing the Holy Spirit to take over and guide and strengthen us as we develope more over time.

I pray this helps


Posted by: Rachel R

I gave a rude answer, and I am so sorry.

I am just so tired of the phoney-baloney people who hide behind study and argue and don't serve anyone but themselves.

I suspect that many who study instead of bless their families love study more than people.

Study doesn't talk back to them. Study gives them control.

What really hurts is the people who shove religion down other's throats and make it almost impossible for those other's to accept the love of God.

Rant. Rant. Rave. Rave.

Not much of an apology.



I didn't ever answer.

I think the ideal is sinless life.

We probably won't manage that until Jesus comes to get us.

God's love is not fragile. Sin doesn't make him mad at us.

He loves us and he made the simple way freedom.

If we confess our sins,
he is faithful (that means he will always be faithful to do it) and
he is just (that means that it is the legal and right thing for him to do) to forgive our sins and to CLEANSE us from all
unrighteousness (unrighteousness is anything and everything that separated us from God).
I John 1:9

The more cleansing you get the easier it is to try to be sinless because you see the danger of moving away from light into darkness.

The GOOD life is in the safe zone.

Again, I apologize for the abrupt answer to your real question.

Rachel R


Posted by: BrendaMagana

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Originally Posted by kf4qhk
John tells us in this book that whomever is "of the Father" or "born on the Son" or any ohter born again terminology will not sin.

What do you think aobut this? Is the Christian supposed to be completely sinless?


1 John 1:8-9 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

The original sin did not remain with Adam and Eve. It was passed on to us. This means all men are sinners.

As such, not even Christians are exempt from temptations that lead to sin.

As Christians, when we sin, we have the option to confess our sin to God and we will be forgiven.

However this option should not be misused or used as leverage to engage in never ending acts of sin.

We must try to emulate the example of Christ gave us and LIVE and ACT as the Word of God teaches us.


Posted by: Rachel R

Boy, Brenda, how I wish I had said that in the first place...

Rachel R


Posted by: Christian Commando

Yes, very good BrendaMagna, thank you for the added Scriptural support.

God Bless!!


Posted by: kf4qhk

Sorry to have brought this up originally, as it should be elementary for me..Been born again for 20 years, former Bible college student, ..

These past 3 months have been....strange. Struggling with some major stuff. There is a temptaiton of me wanting to go back "under the law." Can't explain.

Thanks.

Let me ask your opinion. What do you think is the Biblical definition of sin?


Jeremy


Posted by: Rachel R

Dear Jeremy,

I waited until this morning to answer.

I really gave this some thought.

I think that sin is any time you are disobeying God.

There are things that seem fine, but if you know in your heart what God wants you to do, and you disobey, then that fine thing becomes sin.

Jesus didn't do whatever he wanted.

He didn't do everything he wanted, he only did what the Father told him to do.

Jesus being sinless meant that he obeyed every single instruction from the Father.

Satan fell because he wanted to be God.

Eve fell because she wanted to be like God.

Our fall is when we want to be in charge and take over God's rightful role in our lives.

I hope that helps.

Praying for you...

Rachel R


Posted by: diamondcreates

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Originally Posted by Rachel R
Dear Jeremy,

I waited until this morning to answer.

I really gave this some thought.

I think that sin is any time you are disobeying God.

There are things that seem fine, but if you know in your heart what God wants you to do, and you disobey, then that fine thing becomes sin.

Jesus didn't do whatever he wanted.

He didn't do everything he wanted, he only did what the Father told him to do.

Jesus being sinless meant that he obeyed every single instruction from the Father.

Satan fell because he wanted to be God.

Eve fell because she wanted to be like God.

Our fall is when we want to be in charge and take over God's rightful role in our lives.

I hope that helps.

Praying for you...

Rachel R

Rachel -- I couldn't have said it better. Great answer!!!


Posted by: Christian Commando

Yes, terrific Rachel, as God and Christ both declare, any thought or action that is not of good report, uplifting, rightceous and more is not of God.

As Jesus shows, if a man lusteth after a woman, he has already comitted adultery with her in his heart. Thou shalt not kill, but those who are angry with another without cause is in danger of the judgement.

Sin is that which contradicts what God teaches is Holy and of good report and rightceous in His Eyes, above all, being loving and forgiving, knowing we are no more perfect than all other people, falling short of God's Glory.

I pray this helps!!

God Bless!!