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a "LIFE" you can't imitate...stop it already.

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Posted by: rod0

OK bear with me, let’s just say, I'm right...Then you may ask why this “chuchianity” thing, why does this "system" exist...It is God’s will, but not that it may last forever. The system is to draw a contrast...To contrast the REAL church, so she (the true one) may be revealed...A contrast, as black shows well against white, a contrast for the true believer, the religious, and the world.

Guys, look this church thing, "NOT THE CHURCH" but this thing you DO, that you call the church, which is not the church, but is a religious form, a habit, a comfort zone for you...You wouldn't know what to do without it...You would feel naked. Without it... It’s not good for you, meeting together is, if you are believers and HIS Spirit is among you.

And are you really obeying the commands of the New Testament? You don't even know if those people you are meeting with are believers unless God shows you...What if they truly don't know him.. How can God ever call you out, if you hold so tightly to this false system?

What fellowship does light have with darkness, and who came behind Jesus to sow? Were the results of his sowing, obvious or hidden?

I'm against no one, why would I be, what would I gain, I don't know you? I don't care if you continue to go to church, that’s between you and God. But I don't believe it’s HIS will to continue in this "Thing called church" and when you protest and don't reason together with me, but instead get all emotional, it reveals...YOU... Not me.

Let me ask you, since it’s obvious you want to argue without carefully reading / responding to my post...Look at the first post, let me rephrase the obvious to you...During the dark ages, where were the true believers? Did they exist? Did they go to "Church"...

How about Hebrew 11:35-38, where did they meet? Sounds like they were having fun huh...

Think about this, what is a true believer, who is the Ecklesia...God, will reveal them and gather them, they will meet together, I pray you will be in the midst of these people, for they will NOT be doing "Church"...

They will have a Spirituality, a "LIFE" you can't imitate, by doing church, praying, fasting, acting patient..ETC...And you will either want that life or desire to kill them for removing what’s presently called "Christianity" God will reveal what a true Christian is...He must do it, for HIS mercy demands, that the world ,may see the Christian as they saw Christ, in contrast to the Pharisee, (the religious)....


Posted by: BrendaMagana

This discussion about doing church or churchianity whatever your prefer to call it will certainly not lead to any edifying results.

This is senseless rambling.

There are multifaceted views to the issue. The TALK-A-THON can continue, but what the Word says on the subject still stands. Scripture cannot be broken.

Hebrews 10:25 gives us a straightforward command: Let us not give up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but let us encourage one another—and all the more as you see the Day approaching..

Additionally, there many examples in the Bible of people doing Church. Our Lord and Saviour, Pastor Jesus himself did Church. The Ancient of Days enjoyed preaching and drew vast crowds! He still does through the Holy Spirit!

Of course you are free to do and believe what you deem appropriate! Please do not forget the command in Hebrews 10:25 and the authoritative statement in Matthew 16:18- 19 that sums it all up.

And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Lord I thank You that from the Word it is clear that You personally built and planned Your House. I thank You for taking care that the gates of hades (talk-a-thons on it included) do not prevail against Your Church!


Posted by: eagle4him

Rod, what then is your prayer? I am probably one of the few on this prayer board that can even begin to comprehend what it is that you are saying. However, this is a prayer board. Don't get too caught up in the discussions.

You will never convince a deceived person that they are right. People love to argue about things they don't comprehend.(myself included!) Don't stop the discussion, but pray also! Rule of thumb: Three prayers for every discussion. Fair enough?


Posted by: JeriRose12

Rod0, Jerry responded to your post paragraph by paragraph in the other thread.

Why did you find it necessary to start a new thread on the same subject? Because you didn't like his answer?

We are not ignoring or dodging or refusing to answer your post. You are not responding to us, just repeating over and over that "your point" is valid.

When we put up scripture, you ignore it. Scripture is THE TRUTH, yet you refuse to respnd to it.

Jerry asked you where you got that story about the peasant and caridnal. Did you reply? I was just in that thread, and you left no reply to Jerry.

You are taking cheap shots at us, by saying we won't reply to you, yet you never responded to Jerry.

We have replied over and over.

I am not clear what you want us to say. If you want us to agree with you, it isn't going to happen.

It matter not if church was in the catacombs, someone's house, a building as we use now days, a store front, a school auditorium. What matters is, we are not to forsake the assembling. That is the essential truth you refuse to deal with.

What is this about calling me out? Calling me out WHERE? The Bible says we are to be seperate from the world -- NOT the church. Church was HIS idea.

Sorry, but you make no sense.

Why do you accuse of being emotional? We are defending the faith, that's all.

I have only seen you make a couple references to the scripture on assembling. Other than that you have NOTHING to back up what you are saying. If The Bible does not back up what you are saying, I will never, ever agree with you.

Call me religous or whatever you like. But I love God and His Word, and it is not wrong to obey Him according to what He instructs me in His Word.

OK, why do I bother? It is clear your mind is made up and that not even The Truth of God's Word can change your mind.

You start out with, "OK, bear with me, let's just say I'm right...." I will never say you're right, because what you say is contrary to God's Word. It is not whether what you or I believe is "right." I have nothing to prove, no argument to win. I am hear to say that God's Word is RIGHT; all I care about is the propegation of Truth. God's Word is Truth. We have no other.

The last two people I knew who decided the church wasn't for them ended up in cult teachings. That is exactly what the devil loves to do. Seperate God's people from each other, and get them off into doctrines of demons. I have not seen anyone live a successful, overcoming Christian life who decided they didn't need to belong to a body of believers for edification and encouragement in The Lord.

I am not worried what accusations you throw at me or how you preceive me. I am a Woman of The Word. It matters not what I say, only what HE says! That is why I go to church (that is gather with other believers). Because I am instructed to in God's Word.

If you do not choose to obey God's Word, I think we need to really ask who the true believer is. You say as to how God speaks to you....but God speaks to us, first of all, through His Word. If anything we think He has told us does not line up with His Word we can be sure He hasn't told it to us.

God has not told you to quit "doing church." OK, you can stop going through the motions. But if you are not assembling with fellow believers in Christ, you are in direct disobedience to His Word.

I don't care if you were hurt in church or whatever excuse you might have. God instructs us plainly to not forsake the assembling together. You can't just say "How do I know they are beleivers?" as an excuse not to go.

To hear you tell it, you are about the only believer on this earth. So you have an easy loop hole. If God simply tells you someone is not a believer, you can say that you don't have to gather with them....therefore you get out of the assembling part of scripture....because in your own words: You don't even know if those people you are meeting with are believers unless God shows you...What if they truly don't know him.. How can God ever call you out, if you hold so tightly to this false system? So you just sneak right out of it.

In all of these discussions, only one thing matters: God's Word.

But then you say that we refuse to "come and reason together."

The only reasonable thing to do is FOLLOW HIS WORD. The truth path to happiness and success in life it obeying God's Word.

I have gone on far too long and taken up far too much time, and I think it is sad that you come on a prayer board and instead of praying with people post long, critical words on the church. Most of the poeple on this board attend church. And most of us pray for others. So, we are MORE the sollution to the problem than you with all your rants on the church or "doing church" or whatever you wish to call it.

God said he hates those who sow discord among the brethren (Proverbs 16:19)....and that seems to be what you are doing. Selah.

~JeriRose~
In HIM (and church) in 2007


Posted by: Christian Commando

Lord Jesus-

I pray, that you will touch this man's heart and remove the anger and hurt they have for your inspired system for gathering to praise and worship you and for our fellowship. We pray that God, you will remove these burdens from him and replace them with love and compassion for you, your gathering system for us and the rest of the "Body of Believers". In Jesus Name- Amen!!


Posted by: rod0

Brother, the scriptures you quoted are true and I am in total agreement, BUT THEY are written to REAL BELIEVERS, thus you prove my point....The wheat and tare grow together to be revealed in the end time...

Also plz stop with the "Lord I pray for this brother that he may not be angry at the system you have created for us to”......

It’s like me saying "Lord I pray for this brother "Commando:" that he will stop being a homosexual....

See how false that is...it’s a way of diverting from the truth of what I'm saying, and not having to deal with the topic...

LIKE I SAID< I'm sharing my heart...I'M NOT ANGRY at you or anyone else...

Was Jesus angry when he told the Pharisee the truth? I don't believe He was angry to the point of sin, since He did no sin...Hope this is clearer for you....


Posted by: JeriRose12

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See how false that is...it’s a way of diverting from the truth of what I'm saying, and not having to deal with the topic...

LIKE I SAID< I'm sharing my heart...I'M NOT ANGRY at you or anyone else...


We ARE dealing with the topic. OK, maybe you meant that prayer. But you keep saying we won't respond to what you are saying.... Then why do we keep telling you AT LENGTH that The Bible is clear that we are not to forsake the assembling? That was the topic of your discussion, or as you called it "doing church." Well, in order to not forsake the assembling maybe I am doing church. That is, I attend a meeting with fellow believers (whether God has shown you they are Christians or not).

The Bible also plainly answers your question as to whether you can know if they are true believers. But, then, you don't seem to be going to scripture for any answers. The Bible says "By their fruits you shall know them." That's how I know I attend meetings with true believers. The fruits I see are lives transformed by Jesus Christ, a church whose mission statement is "To model Jesus Christ to our community," a church that has a vital prison ministry, a church that has a minstry of visiting the sick, a church that collects money to help in people's financial struggles, a church that has "Lend a Hand" a group that offers free services of all types to those who have no money, a church that feeds the poor and clothes the naked....a church that prays for each other (we are encouraged to pray for each other on the way out of church or we can go up front for prayer). This is pure religion and unefiled: to take care of the fatherless and the widow. My church does that.

You keep saying we don't respond to you. I could say the same back to you. You ignore most of what we say to hone in on that one point you keep trying to push: that "doing church" is wrong. Scriptures on scriptures and you neatly avoid commenting on them. If this is supposed to be a discussion, why do you refuse to discuss it with us? You just keep hammering home your idea that going to church is wrong because we can't know if we are with true believers. Well, don't say I didn't respond, because above I made plain how we CAN know if they are true believers.

You say you are just sharing your heart....and that is why we said you are angry. What is coming out of your heart? Jesus said out of the heart flow the issues of life. Your heart tells more than you wish to admit. Why do you go off on those who "do church" as though we are horrible, evil people, if you aren't angry? Where is the love and compassion? Why aren't you telling anything good that has ever happened in a church? NO, everything you said was bad, bad, bad and more bad.

As far as using the word "DO," that is a good choice. The Bible says to be a DOer of The Word, not a hearer only. The Word says not to forsake the assembling, so in DOing church, I am DOing His Word, not just hearing it. You say it's going through the motions. No, it's part of a series of things I DO to stay strong in The Lord -- prayer and quiet time with God, reading His Word, listening to praise music, asking His Spirit to fill me, all things that we should be DOing. Would you say that these things are just going through tthe motions, too? Some habits are not bad to have. Going to church is a good habit, not a bad one. We should be DOing church to, as in we need to be attending church with fellow believers.

You say "BUT these scriptures were written to REAL BELIEVERS." What meaneth that? I thought you were trying to tell us you are a REAL BELIEVER. If so, and you are in total agreement, why aren't you DOing these scriptures?

OK, I need to quit this.

Here is the question: WHO DO YOU WORSHIP WITH? If we are told not to forsake the assembling, who is it that YOU assemble with? Or are you a loner, as in "Me and Jesus, we got our own thing going"?

~JeriRose~
In HIM in 2007


Posted by: JG

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Originally Posted by rod0
Brother, the scriptures you quoted are true and I am in total agreement, BUT THEY are written to REAL BELIEVERS, thus you prove my point....The wheat and tare grow together to be revealed in the end time...

Also plz stop with the "Lord I pray for this brother that he may not be angry at the system you have created for us to”......

It’s like me saying "Lord I pray for this brother "Commando:" that he will stop being a homosexual....

See how false that is...it’s a way of diverting from the truth of what I'm saying, and not having to deal with the topic...

LIKE I SAID< I'm sharing my heart...I'M NOT ANGRY at you or anyone else...

Was Jesus angry when he told the Pharisee the truth? I don't believe He was angry to the point of sin, since He did no sin...Hope this is clearer for you....



So if we understand you
The people who are quoting the bible are NOT REAL BELIEVERS
So are you saying only you are the real reliever....

You are on dangerous ground my Friend.

And yes you are angry it screams out in every post you have made so far.
It is amazing everyone sees it but you.
I also pray the Lord open you eyes to the anger.
We do not see love
We do not see mercy

We see condemnation for anyone who does not agree with you.


Posted by: JG

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Originally Posted by rod0
NOW where did you gather that I was upset? Just being honest. Please read my post and respond to what I say.. This is my desire to have you respond to what I wrote.. not to have you inject or read something (totally different) into my post..."


Dear Rod:

You asked for it so here it is.
Word for word response to your post
I am posting this in all the places you seem to be going.

By the Way: Yes the body of the people is the church not the organized corporation. But I do not understand why you want to attack a group of people that call themselves Baptist, Assemblies or any other name. All they are doing is letting people know they are there.

At least they are doing something. Again WHAT ARE YOU DOING? Are you forming a group of people to teach them. I don't care if it is on tuesdays, pick a day and a time that is up to you.

But Why be so angry at any other group of people who have done you no harm and attack and judge them by saying they are not Christians.

Pastor Jerry
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Dear Brothers and Sisters
This is not meant to offend. But I must be true to my heart, the great deception is spiritual. I believe many are lulled into thinking they are OF THE Church when in fact they are just religious. They are not the ECKLESIA, they are pretenders.
This is not true, you really do not care if it offends. You knew it would offend that is why you said "it is not meant ot offend...
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This may be without awareness, and they mean no harm, I do not fault them, it is part of the GREAT plan. Yet by God’s mercy the TRUE ECKLESIA, must know, THEY are in your midst.

How do we obey the command of Paul to not forsake the gathering to together of yourselfs? The command denotes who you are to gather with, we are not talking about perfect and imperfect, we are talking about true and false brethren.
That is not true again... you said I do not fault them... In fact this whole letter finds fault with those you do not agree with.
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So if you stare at the back of someone’s head for an hour or two, going thru the motions of some ritual we call CHURCH, and they have not been BORN AGAIN via a TRUE encounter with Jesus you have disobeyed Paul’s command.
ouch Oh how that hurts so many. to broad brush so many millions of believers by saying they are going through a ritual and are going to hell.. Oh what judgement on so many who love Jesus so much.

Wow you say they are not saved. Who gave you the right to make such a judgement on so many millions of people.

To pass judgement on the Holy Spirit by saying he would allow such a deception to continue.

Mat 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged. Mat 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. Mat 7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Mat 7:4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam [is] in thine own eye? Mat 7:5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

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True encounters can and most likely are without your consent. Being born again, is not an agreement with doctrines nor does it have anything to do with going forward at a RELIGIOUS MEETING…though it can occur when you go forward at a meeting, but does not have anything to do with mental assent to a bunch of religious dogmatic theories…

That is true my friend but who said that is what is happening in every church

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To be known of HIM, and to be noticed by others, as the Pharisees noticed the disciples “had been with Jesus”, takes a spiritual encounter.
TRUE

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The TRUE ECKLESIA, for the sake and mercy of God, (Mercy to the unbeliever before judgment) must be revealed, they cannot stay amongst and hidden with the false church system (People who don’t know him).

These people can appear to be, no I take that back, they can be better than you…

Better than you at:

Scripture reading;

Prayer;

Fasting;

Church attendance;

Feeding the poor;

Being patient;

Being kind;

ETC: WHY / HOW: Because it is flesh, covered by religiosity.

Self will do anything to continue to live;

What's your point


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1).How do you describe this LIFE? As a Christian it's hard to do. As I recall moments in my own life, I think of times of stillness, in the midst of activity or in the quiet of night. The presence of His Spirit was there, sometimes speaking other times He was silent, yet the undeniable presence of His Spirit was so real. You couldn't describe it too anyone else, sometimes he was so near, almost physical, at other times He was, just felt, deep in your heart.

I could at times think, and He would answer. Sometimes the answer was spoken, and at other times it was a still small voice in my heart.

Sometimes I would see a person, and while looking at them, I knew about them.

I recall the passion to tell others about him at any given moment, looking for such an occasion never caring where I was, or who was near by.

Constantly His Love moved over me in waves and yet it abode, never departing. I would wake up in the middle of the night and He was there, like a mother hen.

I remember the love for others that was not my own. I remember feeling, and being, separate from the world yet still in its midst.

I recall not worrying about the kind of car I drove, or the condition of my clothes, knowing that He was fully aware of all these things.

I recall being invited out for dinner with brothers, and thinking (silently between myself and God), "Lord I don't have any money, but I'm hungry" and then someone would say "hey rod I'll buy ok?" Do you have days like this?
I have day's like this all the time. I call it the electric love of God. When His glory fills the room. It has not stopped and I know it never will stop.

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Do you remember days like this from your past? I believe this is something no one can take from us. This is why WE MUST EXPERIENCE GOD! Experiencing God is more important than the scriptures! You see if you experience HIM then, Bible revelation can be added to you. But if you don't experience HIM first then Bible knowledge is just a compilation of facts, they are true, but they don't have any place of reference, without HIM.
This is not true my friend. Faith cometh by hearing Jesus speak the word to you. The word is everything. and nothing can be done without it. I would rather have the word everyday and never feel the Lord if I had to chose. The flesh can never please God.
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2).Most of my life, at least as far back as I can remember I've had a desire and love for God/Jesus. As I've grown older, I've seen many things in "Christendom",

I've seen communes (come and go in failure).
Bitterness
I've seen myself and other brothers walk in their own ways (you might call it backsliding),
Bitterness
I've been hurt by supposed brothers in Christ,
Bitterness
I've seen TV preachers act cocky, and ridiculous,
Bitterness
I've seen people chase tithes and money,
Bitterness
I've seen people in big churches (faithful tithers) go without help while in need, I've seen people chase their own kingdom and building programs.
Bitterness
I've seen people pretend to prophecy, knowing they were not HEARING from HIM, (and in failure, excuse themselves by saying they were practicing),
Bitterness
I've seen names in lights (but not Jesus name).
Bitterness
I've seen people destroyed by the sheparding movement.
Bitterness
I've seen men of god after devoting their lives to "the ministry" destroyed after a single mistake, instead of forgiven.
On and on I could go... So does any of the above remind you of the book of acts or the first group of believers?
Bitterness

Oh My Friend I see now your pain and failure. Please pray the secret bitterness wll be forgiven and forgotten


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This is why I believe we must have and will have change. God is not interested in a "body" with spot or wrinkle. As I searched different churches, communities, and internet sites,

I've come across a hand full of people that have the essence/smell of life and others who are just religious (relating to God only in their learning and mind), yet

I yearn for true brethren and their fellowship, realizing that only God can cause these people to be gathered together and revealed to one another, and have them be in accord with one mind. Jesus may give the gift of eternal life to some, that's His prerogative, but to say all people have the same "experience/fellowship/love relationship" with Jesus or each other is not correct.

We see the difference in people (John, Peter, Paul) and we see the same differences thru-out time, we see times of revival (1900's, 1940's, 1970's) and in each of these times we see tare and wheat together. We see a time of purity and passion then a colder period, where men's hearts seem to grow cold, and God becomes a forgotten memory.
Are you saying you had grown cold and had forgot what the Lord has done

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In contrast we never see this in churches, they are always attended by praying people, people arguing scriptures and doctrine, yet hardly ever displaying life as we see in the same revival periods. Yes I believe mercy, calls for a move of God again.
I don't know where you go to church but that is not what I see..
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3).One more reason, I believe we need change is because the gospel needs to be preached.
Are you preaching?
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We believe the gospel has been preached, from the generosity of America, but I think this is only true in very narrow windows of time (revival 1900's, 1940's, 1970's etc) and only by certain persons (who knew HIM). Then of course there is the occasional believer who is submitted to the (breathings) of the Spirit, this believer shares out of the reservoir of undeniable life (the fellowship between this believer and the Spirit). This bears fruit since it’s not just a message of words but is accompanied by this fellowship and life.
"only occasional. My what a failure Jesus and the Holy Spirit has been in your eyes.

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The preaching of the gospel by religious folks just doesn't work! How could it, they are not ambassadors of the very Spirit, since they refuse to give up their life thru that act of ultimate (life giving) which is the "surrender of self".
Oh my Friend how can you judge so many. who are these people you are talking about.

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4). In the 1860's 1900's 1940's 1960's we saw the beginning of several moves of God upon people who were desperate to know HIM. They found the one they were seeking for.

Then shortly after in each time period, (even in the new testament)

we see charlatans, hirelings move in among the sheep of God, these men who really don't know the master teach doctrines not from revelation via an intimate relationship.

But from the minds of others who were also like themselves,
who teach only from the tree of knowledge:
From the mind of one man to the mind of another,
thereby polluting the little sheep and convincing others,
because the so-called doctrines of men are believed by the masses also.
Bitterness anger ouch

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This is such a subtle thing that it can inhibit your walk, because you’re not discipled but instead taught by men who have never had an intimate walk with God. So as believers we must know Him and find revelation that agrees with the scriptures, and or that changes our understanding of the scriptures.

5). I often wonder how these spiritual things work...It's hard to find answers sometimes since we are mortal. And often IF you are like me, its hard to keep on believing that God can find a good reason to go on loving me...

But as I look back...I see of course some differences, the late 60's thru the mid 70's were a move of god, especially for the young...We always see (under an anointing) god doing unusual graceful things in the lives of people...Then it tapers off...Probably so as not too be common and taken for granted by us.

So where does an experience in God begin? I have to believe (and remember I'm limited by my mortality and limited knowledge so I could be wrong), it starts with God putting a hunger in your heart....Now if that hunger exists, and it sounds as though it does, for you sound like a seeker...then

I would approach God in a simple fashion, (for me it was doing the only thing I knew to do, I went to the Library to research books about religion and god). then shortly after I prayed with Gary (see testimony) I just knew in my heart that god wanted my whole life, every thought belonged to him, SO I just started with my thoughts, if I had a thought that came into my mind and it said "give that person a bible" or "tell that person that you are a Christian and that you will be praying for them" then I would obey....

One day I told a Christian brother about this (thought stuff) and how I judged my thoughts by the little knowledge I had of the bible, and if my thoughts were agreeable (good things vs. evil) then I would obey... This brother told me too keep on obeying those thoughts as long as they agreed with scripture, and as I did then the thoughts would go from just thoughts, too the voice of the Lord, (my sheep know my voice) (sheep follow-they are surrendered to their master), well just as this brother said, it did indeed happen that way for me...So seek HIM and if you can do today, what I can't seem to do (surrender with all your heart)...I'm sure you will meet HIM, maybe in a different experience, but never the less I'm sure His goal will be the same...To possess your whole heart.
I am glad you studied

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6). A Christian historian tells a true story about a peasant in the 1600's living under the rule of the catholic church. The peasant is working the field an a cardinal and his procession go by, as they approach the cardinal speaks to the peasant, about a new edict from Rome. The cardinal quotes a verse of scripture, the peasant replies that the cardinal quoted the verse incorrectly. The cardinal says to the peasant "How would you know, being you are unlearned and illiterate ?" The peasant replies: "because the spirit IN ME said you quoted it wrong"!

How true this is, if we only have the book and don't hear that still small voice on the inside, from the throne of our heart the center of HIS kingdom! Then I fear we miss the most important piece of intimacy, yet HIS Word and HIS scriptures work together, one a current guide for us THE NOW and the other, which can still speak but was spoken to another hundreds of years ago, serves as a foundation. But We live by breath, and the words that proceed from the mouth of God, "My sheep know my voice" "for those who are sons of God are led of the spirit of God".
This story is absolutly not true. It is not even biblical. Who was the cardinal. what verse did he quote? How did he quote it wrong.? I will be praying for you. Because of your anger for geing hurt in church it is easier for you to believe a story like this rather than the truth.

You said you liked bluntness
I pray this blessed you My Friend

Pastor Jerry


Posted by: rod0

Man you sure put a lot of time and effort into that copy paste and reading the whole thing, not for edification, or building me up, but to vent your anger…WOW...

Also, "you have injected and read something (totally different) into my post than what I meant, because you don't understand what I'm talking about"

Can I ask you a question: You don't have to answer, its none of my business,

You sure seem to take these post personally, do you have something to defend, or to lose?

Are you a paid pastor? Are you a real pastor, (I mean real on the terms I think you understand), as in hired not as in gifted or placed by the Spirit?

Do you receive support thru this Christian medium or any other?

I just wonder why you keep attacking me, anyone as defensive as you must have something to lose, possibly your building a kingdom of your own. You must FEEL you have something to lose…

To bad people can't come here and share honestly without all your accusations.



I guess if you convince yourself that I'm bitter you don't have to consider what I'm saying.


Posted by: Christian Commando

rod0-

Why is it, when we point out exact quotings of your posts for giving you answers you claim we don't give, you then change the subject from the main topic and redirect it to another topic?

No one here is attacking you in any way, only asking why you respond as you have to our sharing God's Word. Now you ask questions of our Pastor here apparently in a belief you have to defend yourself, when there is no reason to.

I am sorry you feel the need to have had to defend yourself with nearly every responce we've given you. It's apparent you come across as insecure or you wouldn't feel the need to defend yourself. I pray that God will resolve this conflict in your heart and mind, that we can have a more conducive exchange.

Thank you for your time-


Posted by: JG

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Originally Posted by rod0
Man you sure put a lot of time and effort into that copy paste and reading the whole thing, not for edification, or building me up, but to vent your anger…WOW...
Also, "you have injected and read something (totally different) into my post than what I meant, because you don't understand what I'm talking about"
Can I ask you a question: You don't have to answer, its none of my business,
You sure seem to take these post personally, do you have something to defend, or to lose?
Are you a paid pastor? Are you a real pastor, (I mean real on the terms I think you understand), as in hired not as in gifted or placed by the Spirit?
Do you receive support thru this Christian medium or any other?
I just wonder why you keep attacking me, anyone as defensive as you must have something to lose, possibly your building a kingdom of your own. You must FEEL you have something to lose…
To bad people can't come here and share honestly without all your accusations.


I guess if you convince yourself that I'm bitter you don't have to consider what I'm saying.



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Do you receive support thru this Christian medium or any other? You sure seem to take these post personally, do you have something to defend, or to lose?
Yes I do my friend. As any Shepard I love my sheep very much and when I see someone come and and say the things you have they must be defended.

I sat back for a long time until they sent me messages asking for help.
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Are you a paid pastor? Are you a real pastor, (I mean real on the terms I think you understand), as in hired not as in gifted or placed by the Spirit?

Do you receive support thru this Christian medium or any other?
What is a real pastor now that is a real question.
Was I called by the Lord?
Was I ordained by the Lord?
And do I work at His good pleasure?
The answer is yes.
Do I have a place of worship? Yes
Does the Lord meet all my needs?
As promised in the word of God He has never let me down.
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I just wonder why you keep attacking me, anyone as defensive as you must have something to lose, possibly your building a kingdom of your own. You must FEEL you have something to lose…

I have nothing to lose my friend. My Jesus was not a wimp but a warrior. Why would you think we are defensive? You are the one who made the statements like almost everyone in church is not saved.

My people honestly loved on you and asked to pray for you. Your answer was to tell them not to pray. Interesting answer my friend.
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To bad people can't come here and share honestly without all your accusations.[/

Another interesting statement. Why can't you come here. I have not banned you have I. Is it that you want to make the statements without comment. That my friend will never happen.

That is one of the pruopses of this place. Some people have questions. They come here and ask them. Then Many others come and read them. Best count so far is over 6,000 people come a day and read something on this board.

If they find what you said is interesting they will login and comment.

The problem I see is that very few agreed with you and you started getting upset and angry.

Oh thats riight you said you were not angry. Even though almost everone who has read your stuff thinks you are.

You then said "I say what I mean and mean what I say". If that is how you feel you are the one who has to take the heat in the kitchen. You are not doing that very well so far.

As I said before no one is condeming you.
All we are saying is where is the beef?
Where are your solutions?
and What exactly are you doing to help build the Kingdom of God?

Anyone can point out the cancer
Do you have any solutions.....

Pastor Jerry


Posted by: rod0

...But I don't think so..

You guys are too much...Calling the kettle black....I post you call names and attack, then you say I attack, and you didn't..

I'm not bitter I'm not angry..Stop calling me names.

Not everyone is "The church" Some are just religious...

Oh, I don't care who is on my side...I have to be true to what I believe


Posted by: BrendaMagana


Dear Rod0,

Reading through your posts, I think it would do you good to apply the biblical truth contained in the verse hereunder to your life.

Matthew 7:5

Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.


Posted by: rod0

I apologize, I think..

I should keep my opinions to myself, I meant no harm and think my attitude started to suck.

Jerry I especially apologize to you, God bless you, your probably the best pastor in the world.

I'm sure we still disagree, but I can extend my hand to you, even if our doctrines are different.
I’m not angry or bitter and would admit if I was, just as I admit here, that I've been wrong. But I can not admit to what I haven't done...

I was just trying to engage others, I don’t know who is and who isn’t saved, I just have a firm belief that there is a false and a true church.


I meant no harm.

Someone once said "WE" kill our wounded...

Honestly at times I have felt more loved by non-christians, than christians.

Non christians can love it seems, without the conditions, that religous folks seem to place on others, that makes me sad..

Some one on this forum called me a hypocrite...Maybe I am, if so God forgive me...

So in closing I offer an apology…

Also Please delete ALL of my posts from your forum, except this one, PLEASE, I BEG you..

Blessings to all.

rod....out


Posted by: MarkSentMe

Don't sweat it. If we all thought and worshipped and believed the same way, this would be a boring planet and we would be in a cult rather than a relationship with Jesus!
Look at the disciples. What a bunch! All different walks of life, all different backgrounds. All used by God for His purpose; all of them valuable.
The Bible is FULL of people who led less than stellar lives and God used them!
Going to church doesn't make you a Christian any more than going into a garage doesn't make you a car. Christians need the fellowship of other believers because the world wants us to conform to its ways. It is easy to be lulled by the media into acceptance of unGodly things. The world wants us to believe that non-acceptance of sinful ways is bigotry and intolerance.
My family is a military family. We live far from family, so our church family is here for us. Being away from family, while at first was hard, is really a good thing- my family is very lost and not necessarily positive influences for my children.

This forum is basically a family. We all have people in our family who can get to us if we let them. I like to call them "Sandpaper People" because they are sent to soften US.

Don't leave. We need people of varying and differing opinions, experiences and levels of growth. Otherwise we get a false sense and start to only want to associate with people of like-mind. Not good.
Peace.


Posted by: eagle4him

Proverbs 27:17
"Iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another"

for Rachel: ...one (wo) man...

for aka: ...man, 376 'iysh eesh contracted for 582 (or perhaps rather from an unused root meaning to be extant); a man as an individual or a male person; often used as an adjunct to a more definite term (and in such cases frequently not expressed in translation):--also, another, any (man), a certain, + champion, consent, each, every (one), fellow, (foot-, husband-)man, (good-, great, mighty) man, he, high (degree), him (that is), husband, man(-kind), + none, one, people, person, + steward, what (man) soever, whoso(-ever), worthy. Compare 802.

lol,
Bruce


Posted by: JeriRose12

If I said anything out of line or in the flesh, I am sorry. Please forgive me.

I did not mean to shoot at a Christian, and I heard that we can use The Word to do that....

Standing in defense of God's Word was my only intention. But in my passion, I do get heated.

Praying for you and all of us to come into a deeper, stronger, higher relationship with HIM.

I also pray that you can find or already have some real believers that you are fellowshipping with.

~JeriRose~
In HIM in 2007