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Posted by: rod0

I apologize, I think..

I should keep my opinions to myself, I meant no harm and think my attitude started to suck.

Jerry I especially apologize to you, God bless you, your probably the best pastor in the world.

I'm sure we still disagree, but I can extend my hand to you, even if our doctrines are different.
I’m not angry or bitter and would admit if I was, just as I admit here, that I've been wrong. But I can not admit to what I haven't done...

I was just trying to engage others, I don’t know who is and who isn’t saved, I just have a firm belief that there is a false and a true church.


I meant no harm.

Someone once said "WE" kill our wounded...

Honestly at times I have felt more loved by non-christians, than christians.

Non christians can love it seems, without the conditions, that religous folks seem to place on others, that makes me sad..

Some one on this forum called me a hypocrite...Maybe I am, if so God forgive me...

So in closing I offer an apology…

Also Please delete ALL of my posts from your forum, except this one, PLEASE, I BEG you..

Blessings to all.

rod....out


Posted by: MarkSentMe

Don't sweat it. If we all thought and worshipped and believed the same way, this would be a boring planet and we would be in a cult rather than a relationship with Jesus!
Look at the disciples. What a bunch! All different walks of life, all different backgrounds. All used by God for His purpose; all of them valuable.
The Bible is FULL of people who led less than stellar lives and God used them!
Going to church doesn't make you a Christian any more than going into a garage doesn't make you a car. Christians need the fellowship of other believers because the world wants us to conform to its ways. It is easy to be lulled by the media into acceptance of unGodly things. The world wants us to believe that non-acceptance of sinful ways is bigotry and intolerance.
My family is a military family. We live far from family, so our church family is here for us. Being away from family, while at first was hard, is really a good thing- my family is very lost and not necessarily positive influences for my children.

This forum is basically a family. We all have people in our family who can get to us if we let them. I like to call them "Sandpaper People" because they are sent to soften US.

Don't leave. We need people of varying and differing opinions, experiences and levels of growth. Otherwise we get a false sense and start to only want to associate with people of like-mind. Not good.
Peace.


Posted by: eagle4him

Proverbs 27:17
"Iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another"

for Rachel: ...one (wo) man...

for aka: ...man, 376 'iysh eesh contracted for 582 (or perhaps rather from an unused root meaning to be extant); a man as an individual or a male person; often used as an adjunct to a more definite term (and in such cases frequently not expressed in translation):--also, another, any (man), a certain, + champion, consent, each, every (one), fellow, (foot-, husband-)man, (good-, great, mighty) man, he, high (degree), him (that is), husband, man(-kind), + none, one, people, person, + steward, what (man) soever, whoso(-ever), worthy. Compare 802.

lol,
Bruce


Posted by: JeriRose12

If I said anything out of line or in the flesh, I am sorry. Please forgive me.

I did not mean to shoot at a Christian, and I heard that we can use The Word to do that....

Standing in defense of God's Word was my only intention. But in my passion, I do get heated.

Praying for you and all of us to come into a deeper, stronger, higher relationship with HIM.

I also pray that you can find or already have some real believers that you are fellowshipping with.

~JeriRose~
In HIM in 2007


Posted by: JG

Quote:
Originally Posted by rod0
I apologize, I think..

I should keep my opinions to myself, I meant no harm and think my attitude started to suck.

Jerry I especially apologize to you, God bless you, your probably the best pastor in the world.

I'm sure we still disagree, but I can extend my hand to you, even if our doctrines are different.
I’m not angry or bitter and would admit if I was, just as I admit here, that I've been wrong. But I can not admit to what I haven't done...

I was just trying to engage others, I don’t know who is and who isn’t saved, I just have a firm belief that there is a false and a true church.


I meant no harm.

Someone once said "WE" kill our wounded...

Honestly at times I have felt more loved by non-christians, than christians.

Non christians can love it seems, without the conditions, that religous folks seem to place on others, that makes me sad..

Some one on this forum called me a hypocrite...Maybe I am, if so God forgive me...

So in closing I offer an apology…

Also Please delete ALL of my posts from your forum, except this one, PLEASE, I BEG you..

Blessings to all.

rod....out


One of the most beautiful stories in the bible is when Jesus looked up and said
Where are thine accusers?

He then said Neither do I condemn thee, go and sin no more.

I just love that story.



It is always amazing how fast the forgiveness pill works.



I pray you hear our heart when we ask you to forgive us also.

Now as to the Delete all the post.
I can not do that.
It is our policy not to delete anything unless it has broken the law.

Besides you show your greatness and humility by asking for forgiveness.



May the Lord Bless You My Friend

Pastor Jerry


Posted by: Christian Commando

rod0-

I believe part of the reason God created us all individual, is so we can all learn from one another what He has taught others we haven't learned as yet. I have learned more patience and also to love diversity in people. You have helped me to grow in those attributes of God.

I ask that you will forgive me as well, if I have said anything that has hurt or negatively effected you. I ask that you not leave the Board, but stay here and join us in continuing to learn from God thru each other.

God Bless!!


Posted by: JG

Quote:
Originally Posted by rod0
I apologize, I think..

Honestly at times I have felt more loved by non-christians, than christians.

[QUOTE=rod0] Non christians can love it seems, without the conditions, that religous folks seem to place on others, that makes me sad..

Blessings to all. [/size][/b]

rod....out


Dear Rod:

I pray I do not offend you here. But may I help with your apology.

You did real great except for two little things.
First you said

"I apologize, I think.."
Some people emailed and said praise the Lord Rod apologized
but what did he mean by "I think"????

Next
You said:
"Non Christians can love it seems, without the conditions, that religious folks seem to place on others, that makes me sad.. "

That is a statement always made by people who have been hurt in church and have not really forgiven those who hurt them.

To make a statement that the body of satan has more mercy, love and forgiveness then the body of Christ is just wrong.

Just look at how the world hates President Bush.
I do not find those people loving and kind.

In the world if you touch anything the world loves by saying something is wrong with it, just watch them blow up on you.

Tell someone who loves rock and roll music to stop and see what they say.
Tell someone who loves video games to stop and see what they say.

Harry Potter is another one, tell the world it is filled with witchcraft and see how loving they are.

No my friend, the world does not love you more than us.
So please pray about the wounds you still have and ask Jesus to mend them.

Again I pray this did not offend you.
I pray you are blessed

Pastor Jerry


Posted by: rod0

JG:

You have got to be kidding me? I try to apologize and now you are critiquing it?
Why couldn't we leave well enough alone? Where we left off last night?

How about a little grace / slack...
You're not trying to provoke me right? I assume you are not.
Of course this post too will probably be my failing.
I'll have to wait for the verdict after everyone reads it.

I know you professed your post with "I pray I do not offend you here"

...Was this for-real or just a clause, to speak with impunity. Some could say that your preface was pious...

But I'm not saying that...

Seems to me your standards are out of my reach.. A guy can't even get a break.

 What ever happened too:

 Finally, brothers and sisters, keep your thoughts on whatever is right or deserves praise: things that are true, honorable, fair, pure, acceptable, or commendable

No you can’t help.

Why?

Because, there is no warrant for it.

Are you just looking for something to pick apart…

Just open your eyes and look real close.




Here let me copy and paste:

 HERE IS WHAT I WROTE:

I apologize, I think…
I should keep my opinions to myself…

NOTICE HOW:

I should keeps my opinions to myself…

IS A CONTINUATION OF:

“I apologize I think I should…”

Now concerning: "Non Christians can love it seems, without the conditions"...

NOTICE THE WORD SEEMS...

In the above quote I don't need to explain the meaning of the word seems...right?

Here is what you had to say my apology:

You did real great except for two little things.
First you said,
"I apologize, I think.."
Some people emailed and said praise the Lord Rod apologized
but what did he mean by "I think"????

ALL THIS ARGUING WITH ME OVER A SIMPLE APOLOGY, REMINDS ME OF: "For you tithe mint and dill and cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness".

Are you calling people in the world satanic? I think Jesus would sit with sinners before he would choose to sit with some religious people...
And don’t tell me about the world…I have friends in the world who have never been so rude and self righteous as some so-called Christians…I’ve met people who were more patient than any Christian I know, It never hurts to be kind...you guys are wearin me thin…I'm sorry but Interacting with you guys is worse than a high maintenance girl friend...


Posted by: rod0

Man I don't know where to start, I think I'll stop posting, no matter what, for the following reasons:

1). I'm not walking with God, and if you read my testimony, you see thats been going on for a long time.

2). I get way to emotional and allow myself to speak to harshly. (I'm not saying my point was wrong). Ijust think I don't need to say anything and or say it the way I do.

3). Even IF I'm right, I don't need to defend myself.

SO allow me one more time to say...

Man o Man...I did it again, now I feel bad, Jerry was only trying to help, and I had to rub his nose in it...Lord forgive me...

Jerry doesn't deserve that, no one does, and who am I to speak to someone like that....I am nobody...

JESUS save me from myself... Sorry about the high maitenance grlfriend remark...

rod0


Posted by: JeriRose12

Rod, if you say you are not walking with God, then we are praying for you to be renewed to that close, intimate relationship with Him.

We know that what you said about the church has much truth in it....the church does have much wrong with it. It always has, from the beginning. Anaias and Sapphria were greedy and lied to The Holy Ghost. Peter was a hypocrite, only eating with the Gentiles when the Jews weren't there. Paul wrote to the Corinithians to get the incest out of their body. Paul and Barnabus had a disagreement that caused them to go seperate ways. When they prayed night and day for Peter's release, they couldn't believe it when he showed up at the door (lack of faith).

It is just that criticizing, etc. does not solve the problem. We all see the problems; but who is helping with solutions?

I used my church as an example, because they are part of the solution, not the problem.

The Sunday school kids put together some food from the church kitchen for a homeless man, and the teacher took them over there to give it to him. She thought it would be a good lesson for the kids. The man started swearing and yelling and said, "Give me what I really need!" The teacher said, "OK, kids, that's enough lesson."

You want kindness, but you didn't give any....so how can we not say that you are angry?

We are not saying any of this to condemn you or hurt you. We love you. It's a tough love, like an intervention. Like maybe you can see yourself as you really are, so you can see the healing you need and go to The Lord for that help. Perhaps this anger stands between you and God.

In my own relationship, I have drifted. I admit I have not pursued Him as hotly as in the past. Part of it is a change in my work schedule....getting up so early and going out the door, leaving little prayer time. It is up to me to get back where I was....and slowly I have been working on it. Perhaps, that's why I am still awake at 4:22 A.M., because He wants me to work on my relationship with Him.

I also can admit that, yes, I do go through the motions at times. But there are GOOD habits. It is like a married couple. Even when they don't feel a lot of emotion, they have to communicate, spend time together, romance each other, work on the relationship. I have to keep doing the right things, even if sometimes I don't feel great passion for God. I need to read my Bible, spend time with God, spend time with God's people.... For the last couple years I have been in a spiritually dry place, but I have to keep doing these things, or I will want to give up and quit. If that married couple just gave up because they didn't "feel" it, the marriage would be over. There would be many times that couple would just decide to bail. By spending time with God or His Word or His people, even when I don't feel it, I am being obedient. The obedience is based on love for God. So even though the church attendance can feel like going through the motions, if the motivation is love for God, ulitmately it is NOT going through the motions.

I know that I do tend toward judgementalism, condemnation, self-righteousness to name a few, and I am sorry if I came across with any of those to you.

I admit it is hard to hear all the negative stuff about the church, and it makes one mad to be told that they shouldn't go there because so many bad things have happened there. The flesh does rise up I'm sure. So, trying to keep it Biblically based gets a little confused with where the flesh is reacting. I am sorry my flesh gets so easily irritated.

Perhaps, it is too early in the morning, when I should be sleeping, and I am just rambling....or maybe the real me is coming out because I'm tired and my inhibitions are down. Or something like that.

I am trying to share what truly motivated my posts. For one, concern that others would quit fellowshipping with a body of believers, after reading all you said about the church. As Christians we need the checks and balances provided by other Christians. I know your posts showed up some things in me where I need to grow and mature in in Him. I do not want baby Christians thinking it's OK to quit church. They need to be getting grounded in The Word. So I was putting up Biblical truth as I found it in The Word, so they would be encouraged to keep attending with the body of believers they are with. Concern for you, because we need to be assembling, so that we stay strong in The Lord. Too many people I know who grew cold on church also grew cold on God. One of them is in prison for murdar.

I sincerely do ask you forgivness for not being as compassionate as I should have....but also, it was the matter of the scripture that says the wounds of a freind are faithful. That is the spirit in which I posted. Sometimes, the most loving thing of all is sharing the truth....because as a watchman I am called to do so, and, once I have, God does not hold me any further accountable. I truly posted out of obedience to warn.

I always, always, always (try) to back everything I say by The Word. I am a WORD woman, for sure. (Well, OK, not necessarily, when the flesh takes over. And, sometimes, it does.)

But, anyway, perhaps your last post, will really show you what you need to deal with. If you keep flying off with posts you regreat, wouldn't it follow that you are driven by anger? You know, it is not wrong to admit you are angry. I can see the pain in your "Man, oh, man...I did it again!" This is the reaction of someone who loses their temper and then regrets it.

You said to Jerry, "Are you just looking for something to pick apart?" That was precisely my thoughts about your long post on the faults of the church or churches. And, further, you say: What ever happened too: Finally, brothers and sisters, keep your thoughts on whatever is right or deserves praise: things that are true, honorable, fair, pure, acceptable, or commendable. That's exactly what I thought when you said all those negative things about the church. Your mind was not on anything AT ALL commendable. There was not ONE THING edifying in any of it.

Now, do you better understand how all of us felt? It seems you feel attacked by what we say. And that is exactly how we felt about your posts on "doing church" and the "church system." Attacked.

I used The Word as my defense. The Word is part of my armour, and I need it to stand. I am on of those old fashioned Christians, one of those "real believers" if you will. I believe and trust His Word. God said it, and I believe it, and that settles it for me. So, if He says I need to assemble, I will assemble. If he told me I needed to stand on my head two hours every day to be saved, I would find a way to do it. I did not make the rules; God did. It's about Him; it's not about ME.

Eternal life is a precious gift and eternity with Him is not to be missed. I will not miss out, if I can help it. I will run the race with endurance, doing my best to follow every command of His Word. He said if we love Him we will keep His commandments. Not that if we love Him, we will "feel His Presence" or "experience His Anointing," or "feel the moving of His Spirit." The true test of loving Him is keeping His commandments. If He instructs us in His Word not to forsake the assembling, then we need to show our love to Him by attending worship services with a body of fellow believers in Jesus Christ.

I long for His Anointing, but the real proof of my love for Him is obedience. So, I will continue to assemble with the body of believers at my church.

I love you, and don't think otherwise. However you preceive or take this post, my prayers are with you for your healing. I pray for you to have a deep, loving relationship with God....and I pray you will find a group of people you can trust, who you see to be "real believers," that you will fellowship with. By your fruits you will know them, so look for those who show the attributes of Jesus and His Spirit. If you see any of the following (fruits of the Spirit), it's a good bet they are some real believers: love, joy, peace, long suffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, temperance, meekness.

I believe God joined me with the perfect group of believers, because our Pastor said "We are here to get a little more of the Pharisee out of us each week." And I do tend toward that judgemental, condmning, self-righteous nature. His sermons pin point it so many times.

Well, I will end this post by saying that I am praying for you to get all the help you need in Him and in the right body of believers.

Truly and really, with all sincerity, God bless you, Rod.

~JeriRose~
In HIM in 2007