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Do you know Andrew Wommack?
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Posted by: Frederik
What do you think about his teachings and ministry?
He teaches a few radically different things.
Posted by: Christian Commando
Well, let me check out some of his stuff and will let you know my friend. Get back to you later on this.
God Bless!!
Posted by: Frederik
Thanks.
Posted by: Christian Commando
Ok Frederick-
Actually, I didn't find anything that radical about his teachings. Fact is, within all religions, none of them teach the whole Truths of God's Word. Christian ones all adhere to Biblical Truth for Salvation as such, but none speak all other Truths of God according to His Word. They all have minor belief differences to keep them seperate from each other, yet this does not make them any less Christian or God ordained.
But I would like some examples tho of what you question about his ministry beliefs taught. Then we can go thru them and discuss each one, ok?
God Bless!!
Posted by: Frederik
Hi!
Wommack is heavy on God's grace and while this is good I'm not sure if it's really correct. According to Wommack God isn't angry at the humans anymore because Jesus paid the penalty and that God doesn't bring judgement upon nations like for example America even though some christians say that God is angry at America and if the people don't repent then this and that will happen and so on. Wommack says that this isn't true.
Another pretty radical opinion of Wommack is that Jesus would have rebuked Elijah when he called fire down from heaven and killed those soldiers which were supposed to catch him. Because in the new testament Jesus' disciples want to do the same thing and then Jesus rebukes them.
Wommack has a teaching called "the true nature of God" where he talks about all those things. If you have time you might download a few mp3s and simply tune in.
But he also has really good points and says things which you usually don't hear about. For example he points out that even after the fall God still dealt with the people not according to their sins until he gave the law to Moses.
For example Cain who killed his brother wasn't punished by God even though his sin had consequences. But the first human who broke the sabbath under the law was directly killed. This is quite a contrast. Cain killed his brother and lived and this man collected wood on the sabbath and was stoned to death.
Wommack says that out of those 6000 years God only dealt with the people according to their sins for 2000 years. The first 2000 years he didn't deal with them according to their sins, then he gave them the law to show them that they need a savior and after Jesus died he doesn't deal with us according to our sins, again.
He said that in the first 2000 years the people thought that sinning has to be okay because God didn't punish it. Lamech for example said this:
Gen 4:24 If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, truly Lamech seventy and sevenfold.
This means that Lamech thought something like: If Cain could kill a person then I can do it as well.
I think this is a pretty good point. Maybe the people in the first 2000 years were really totally desensitized to sin and didn't have a feeling for guilt at all and even thought they were doing well because God didn't punish them. I have never seen it from this perspective.
Posted by: Christian Commando
Hi Fredrick, its wonderful to be talkin here with yas again.
Ok point 1- Being "heavy on Grace" is nothing new where God has chosen people at particular times to revive some aspect of His Word that needed to be made prominant at some point it seems, as with John Wesley among many others.
Where it starts going off kilter, is when others, go from those teachings to try and centralize all other teachings around the one particular teaching so strictly. All God's Word is of equal importance, even when God may bring one or more people out at times to restrengthen some aspect that may have gone to the "way side" after a time.
Point 2- God never was angry with humans but only one time. At the time of Noah, when God finally reached a point of regretting having created man. But, even then, God still found favor with Noah and his Children and families, as He allowed them to live thru the flood to re-establish the human race on the earth after the flood.
So, in reality, He wasn't fully angry with man, but more with thier sin. Thus, God has both blessed and cursed His Children when they have needed it, but God did it out of love for chastizement to bring them back to fervently and rightceously following Him again.
Point 3- No, God is not angry with people or the nations. Yet, lovingly, He does Bless and Chastize, in order to direct people and nations. The Books of Daniel and Ezekiel are just two of the ones, which show how God will both Bless and Chastize people and nations, according to how God knows people and nations will operate. "Kings" is another good pair of Books that show such things.
As such, God is not angry with us or a nation, but even in some cases, has prophecied what will happen to them even milleniums- (thousands of years) ago.
Point 4- Fire - Well, the best thing to do my frend, is read both parts of thier stories- Elijahs and the Disciples, to see where there are differences with each situation to understand why God allowed Elijah to do so, but Christ did not with the Disciples.
You can be sure, if Christ would've rebuked Elijah for that, God the Father would not have caused the fire to come down and destroy those people at the command of Elijah.
Point 5- "Law of Moses"- I beg to differ on that point, as God had already been giving His Word- "The Law" to His Children starting with Adam and Eve, as can be seen by the results of thier sin against God and God's Prophecy to them of what would happen.
Secondly- Look at the Prophecy God gives of the person being cursed who would kill Caine, after God put that "mark" on him and "Lamech" I believe it was, who killed Caine and went home and told his family about what was coming- the curse.
Point 6- Ahhhh, but you are wrong, after killing Able, remember God cursed Caine with that "mark" and then was also killed? No contrast at all there my friend, unless you consider timing of thier deaths after comitting the transgression.
Point 7- Well, lets step back here first Frederiik and look closer- A- According to Scriptures up thru the first 4 Chapt. of Genesis, Adam lived nearly 1,000 years, but, it appears the flood happened at some time during the second- 1,000 years.
Even so, you can read Scriptures before the flood in dealing with main Charactors and find there were consequences for evil actions, brought upon those who did them.
B- That Scripture you mentioned- Gen 4:24- That Scripture clearly dictates God's Prophecy given over Caine, after recieving the "mark", if killed, the killer would then be cursed much worse than Caine was.
Chapt. 4:11- is where God clearly curses Cain from the earth, he'll work the ground, but it will never produce anything. V 14, Cain states punishment is more than he can bear, and that all who see him shall slay him. 15- God then declares that because Cain will now be suffering thru his chastizement, anyone who should now slay Cain will then be cursed worse than Cain had been.
As such then, what you said of Lamech thinking it was ok to kill Cain is wrong, rather, Lamech came home- v23 and tells his wives- "for I have slain a man to my wounding, and a young man to my hurt". 24- "If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, truely Lamech seventy and sevenfold".
This I suggest is because Lamech was a follower of God as well, not just another unsaved person, but a Child of God who killed Cain. Which I suggest was why Lamech states his punishment will be even worse than God had prophecied.
Lamech clearly states that the "avenging" of Cain, makes anyone's killing of Cain worse than Cain's killing of Abel. Thats because Cain told God, God's punishment of him was more than he- Cain, could bear.
Hehe, well, its wrong to see it from that perspective too, as God clearly shows people were chastized for thier sins in the first 2,000 years, but also they show clearly an expression of thier guilt, thru responces about thier sin(s) comitted.
I pray this helps-
God Bless!!