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The God Delusion
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Posted by: enigmamusement
Author of The God Delusion, Richard Dawkins believes that God could not have created himself out of nothing. There is no spiritual and physical evidence of God because no one except those in the bible has witnessed God.
Posted by: Rachel R
Even those in the Bible did not 'witness' God, see God.
Oh, wait, no, Moses saw God.
But God has set this sorting process up to be based on FAITH, on believing without seeing.
We aren't supposed to have proof.
We are supposed to choose to believe.
So this author chooses not to believe.
You, and only you, have to decide what YOU believe.
Rachel R
Posted by: BrendaMagana
Deuteronomy 29:29
The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the Words of this law.
The very nature of God is what makes Him mysterious. Understanding who I AM WHOM I AM can only be achieved through faith and with the help of the Holy Spirit.
It is the Holy Spirit who teaches us and helps us pray, and to understand the Bible and ways and mind boggling nature of the Sovereign Lord who created the heavens and earth and all that is in them.
God is an eternal God, well above time.
Devoid of the Holy Spirit of God, men are left to engage in nothing but meaningless ramblings.
Lord Jesus, open the eyes of the wilfully blind and keep Your loving eyes on new converts, future converts and on all believers.
Guard them from being deceived by expert truth twisters and enemies of the Cross of Christ.
Thank you that heaven and earth will pass away, but Your Word- Your Truth will never pass away. in the Name of Jesus Christ. Amen
Posted by: enigmamusement
Another athiest deceased author Frank R Wallace, who created the Neo-Tech philosophy, believes that mysticism such as Christianity is a learning block towards biological immortality. Science and biology could have advanced medical breakthroughs such as reversing the damaging genetic effect of old age if Christians throughout the centuries did not preoccupy their time with the bible. The Word of God has given me the spiritual courage to learn and understand the power of sin caused by Adam and Eve. Our first human parents were punished for disobeying God's instructions and they were never given a second chance just because of one human mistake. The cause and effect of Adam and Eve has allowed atheism to become a powerful weapon against Christians. Jesus Christ Son of God will always protect me from Satan's man-made deceptions.
Posted by: Rachel R
God mercifully protected mankind from biological immortality in a sinful state when he separated Adam and Eve from the tree of life in the Garden of Eden.
By doing that he DID give them a second chance.
That second chance he gave all of us is Jesus.
Thank you, Lord, for giving us a second chance!
Rachel R
Posted by: Christian Commando
Rachel R, AMEN to that, couldn't be said better hehe.
To add to that incredible insight, Richard Dawkins was right, how could God have created Himself out of nothing, if God declares He and the Trinity have always existed and never "not" existed? hehe.
On the other hand, Dawkins is totally wrong in claiming there is no spiritual or physical evidence of God's existance, as where did this physical world come from? Does anyone ever consider the immense time it would've taken for all in this physical world to reach it's level of existance it's at now? Way more time than lame secular scientists have claimed.
Man likes to claim we have some- "exact sciences". But, there are none where man is concerned. Fact is, secular scientists have proven the infalable nature of man in the studies of sciences.
They prove, over and over, how man makes claims consistantly on only the limited knowledge they have of any of thier studies, thru thier needing to change thier beliefs or statements of facts, every time they learn something new about some area studied.
And those advancements of knowledge, only prove, they must extent thier original beliefs or change them totally, depending upon the advancement found.
Thus, only God knows "exact sciences", as He was the one who created everything, thus, He knows the most minut operations and structures, to the most complicated and complex of operations and designs of everything in existance.
And God's Word, as the great Christian Scientist- Isaac Newton demonstrated in his work, gave man an incredible foundation for learning more about our world God created and us as well that way.
There is no other undeniable way this physical world could've come about, but by a supreme intelligence, for the facts do not support evolution or re-incarnation, but only God's form of "Progression".
And for proof God exists, just take and study the sciences based out of God's Word- 1- God formed man from the dust of the ground- Secular scientists tried to prove otherwise in this study, but proved God true instead.
2- Secular scientists claim there was an ice age to end the prehistoric times- Genesis 1:2- God declares the earth was without form and void- but why would God call the dirt earth if not already a planet? Plus, being without form and void, mean't it was covered over. How?
God declares the Spirit of God- (Holy Spirit), moved upon the face of the waters. Why the waters if the the dirt wasn't a planet yet? It was. God had the Holy Spirit move upon the waters first, because the water had flooded the earth. ( This would be the resulting flood from the ice of the ice age melting from all over the earth, just before God works on the earth to make it inhabitable for man and life forms as we know them.)
God declares He never created the earth in vain, but to be inhabited. But, He never says how directly. So, how are we to know God hadn't tried these other creatures before us and were not satisfied wih them?
I say God is right on and secular science is not for thier basic foundational beliefs in creation and life developement.
God Bless!!
Posted by: enigmamusement
I can see why God created Satan but did not remove him from Earth where Satan disguised as a snake deceived Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. I believe God allowed Satan to deceive them so that they, including everyone to this day and in the future, can understand what is deception or sin. Jesus our Saviour has been prophecied to return but not every one would accept him by faith. People even pretend-to-be Christians would only accept Christ by physical evidence: simply put, " I want to see you Jesus so that I can accept you in my life". On Judgement Day, I believe God would allow the non-faithful righteous ones in his palace of peace. Lord I pray for them. Amen .::.
Posted by: Rachel R
I'm not sure I understood all of your post, but I think that the reason that God started the human race in that Garden was because he had already had a Civil War in his house.
Satan gathered up a bunch of the angels and decided to overthrow God.
He didn't win, of course, and so he and all his foolish followers were thrown down.
God needed to know for sure who should be let into his home.
He needed a sorting process.
Let them choose BEFORE they came.
So, now, Jesus is the dividing line.
People have to choose who they will serve even with Satan's active influence.
I think it is a pretty good system.
Rachel R
Posted by: Christian Commando
Rachel R-
According to Scriptures, one reason God created man, was to Glorify God, having been created in God's Image as such.
enigmamusement-
Firs- God did not create satan, but Lucifer. Since Lucifer was one of God's greatest created Angels, being on God's Mountain and walking amongst the most precious stones and even wearing them as his covering, he became satan- "great red dragon", after Lucifer got besotted with his God given looks and intelligence, to pridefully think he could take God's place as leader and ruler of all creation.
Second- God does not hate satan- Lucifer, but his sin of pride, of which sin God hates most. Otherwise, if hated Lucifer-satan, God would've locked him and followers in Hell forever. But, God gives satan and his fallen followers the same right and chance to repent and return to God.
True, God knows and prophecied this won't happen, but, still leaves them loose to have the same chance given us, to repent and return to God. Tho Christ's Blood is not shed for Lucifer or his followers, but only man.
You talk of signs or "evidence" that others seek in order to believe. Yet, as said, it is by faith. Even tho the evidence of God's existance is physically there, all around us, besides the physical evidence of the supernatural interacting with our physical world at times.
I choose to use such examples to show, if we have true faith in God's Word, we can look anywheres around us and realize God's existance is proven by what He has created physically, including us- man.
Know that, only those who have accepted God's offer of Salvation by His Grace thru faith in Christ as thier Lord and Savior is and will be, the only way into Heaven.
God Bless!!
Posted by: enigmamusement
I agree with you that only the faithful will enter God's holy city. As for the unfaithful, they would be locked outside the city walls. I believe there is chance for them to see God for who he is because by allowing Satan to deceive man since Adam and Eve, it was difficult to scientifically see God as a creator of all matter in the universe. I believe the unfaithful will beg for forgiveness when they see God for the first time. Our God is teaching us the cruel deceptions of sin by allowing Satan's spirit to wonder inside our minds and bodies. If God did not use Satan to demonise us then we wouldn't have a clue what evil is about. I believe only the wretchedly evil who don't want God's forgiveness would end up in the lake of burning sulphur.
Posted by: Christian Commando
enigmamusemet-
You are right to a point about satan's influencing man to sin, yet, it was not God who allowed satan to decieve man, but rather allowed atan to present is beliefs, as God, shown in Genesis, concerning man's creation, gave man dominion over the earth, therefore, the right to choose what to believe and who to follow.
Yet, God clearly tells man what the results will be if he chooses to follow someone other than Him- God, death.
Secondly- Yes, during the early years of man's existance, very little evidece had been published thruout man kinds settlements of God's accomplishments, unlike what we see as such today.
Milleniums later, man has unearthed much more physical evidence proving God's past dealings with man in earlier milleniums, even tho secular science claims natural occurances bringing on those results unearthed.
Now, maybe you mean't satan being able to influence our minds, but be sure, he wonders in no True Child of God's mind, while the Holy Spirit being greater in you, than he who is in the world. Yet know, the unsaved can be possiessed by satan or his demons, when a person opens up thier mind and body for satan or demons to be able to do so.
Well, I would not call it- "demonize" us, but sin entered the world by one man and death by sin, according to the choice Eve, then Adam both had made.
And you can clearly see in God's exchanges with Adam and Eve, it was not God who "used satan", to demonize man. Satan did this thru the serpent on his own, being angry with God for casting hm out of God's Domain forever and satan still wants to dethrone God to this day, since his first attempt, way back in Heaven.
God had warned Adam and Eve how they would die if ate of the forbidden fruit. Yet satan, as the serpent, decieved Eve into doing so, then Eve of Adam to do so. Thus, God had nothing to do with having or making satan decieve us. Instead, God left man the choice to do as he pleased, having given him dominion over the earth.
Now, as far as the unsaved being lost to Hell and Lake of Fire for not wanting God's forgiveness, its rather, they will be forever seperated, for not wanting or choosing, to believe God is real or His Word true. In some cses, some unsaved may believe in God and call themselves Christians, but till will not enter Heaven because they believe thier Heavenly inheritance comes by the works they are doing or have done.
But, Christ shows how they will be rejected as "goats" as well, by those He came across doing great works by thier belief of Christ for what they heard spoken of Him, yet never saught forgiveness of thier sin or accepting Christ as Lord and Savior.
Christ told them to be gone from Him, for He knew not them plus more. God did not intentionally have satan degile man to learn of good and evil, otherwise God would've created man with that knowledge from the beginning.
no, instead, God had created man without the knowledge to know the difference, therefore, they could do no sin when did not know sin, but only knew good and rightceous thinking and actions.
My suggestion, from viewing the way things had gone up to man's creation is, since God saw that Lucifer had made a choice to believe other than what God taught them to- Angels, and Lucifer made his choice as such, God then also created man with the ability and freedom to choose, allowing satan to present his beliefs to man, after God had presented His to man, for man to make the choice for thier ultimate path for thier future.
this, in essence, left man with the total burden of choice what thier future would be, according to path chosen, following God or satan. And man made that choice for the whole human race, thru the very first couple God created.
God Bless!!
Posted by: guardianangel
Hi enigmamusement
,
I will attempt to wrestle with this subject. As a nurse, and therefore scientifically trained, I cannot look at the mechanisms of the human body- even its skeletal remains- and deny the existence of God. We ARE "fearfully and wonderfully made" as David stated.
Those who flatter themselves by calling themselves "scientists", yet deny the Creator, are guilty of two things:
1) the lack of an imagination in which they can assume that an Entity more intelligent than themselves exists; and
2) the audacity to assume the first assertation. 
The pomposity of such individuals is rampant in the world today. What a shame.
Father, I thank You for the revelation of Your wisdom through Your written Word. I bow at Your feet for You alone are deserving of praise. Amen. 
Posted by: Christian Commando
guardianangel-
Very good points you made, but keep in mind, Jesus Christ even forgave man for crying out for His crucifixtion. "For give them, for they know not what they do".
I suggest we also realize the unsaved, since canot understand the "things of the spirit", we must not hold any negative towards the world of unsaved, i should instead seek to help them connect with God to e saved from eternal hell.
God Bless!!