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The Tanakh?

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Posted by: Illuminate

Good morning everyone,

Lately I have been searching for more TRUTH and I encountered The Tanakh. Please let me know if anyone has read it and what you think about it. From my understanding, it is a Hebrew bible and since they were GOD's chosen, shouldn't we seek the TRUTH in such a sacred book? And how can we even trust the New Testament if it was written centuries later, after the visions were given to the apostles and who is King James? Was the spirit of GOD in him while translating the bible?

I don't know what is going on but inside of me I feel different, I need to KNOW the TRUTH. I wish I could have faith in the New Testament but lately I find myself unable to look at it and simply only reading The Tanakh, the Old Testament.

Please I accept any advice, suggestions and insights. I am searching wholeheartedly for the TRUTH. I have asked LORD GOD, the father of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob to teach me, show me HIS ways and reveal HIMSELF to me in such a way that I can clearly hear HIM. Please pray that it shall be done, in HIS ALMIGHTY name, I pray.

Love,

Lorena


Posted by: Rachel R

How wonderful for you!

I love it when I can feel my spirit alive and seeking!

This is when doors swing OPEN and we can move forward in leaps and bounds.

The Tanakh is our Old Testament, and it is important to study it.

It is SO important to understanding what Jesus did for us.

I know that God will bless your willingness to know him better by searching the Word.

When you study the way God dealt with his people, Israel, you will see a really important image of the heart of God.

Then, when you go back and read the New Testament, and see what Jesus, our Lamb, did for us, you will REJOICE!

You may want to take advantage of the many, many translations of the Bible that are available. These are free online and in parallel versions. It makes it so much easier to understand. I use all of them...

Rachel R


Posted by: eagle4him

All scripture (Old Testament and New) are the inspired word of God, written through the power of the Holy Spirit and recorded by man.

It is only by the power of the Holy Spirit revealed in us that we can even begin to understand the mysteries contained within the written word of God.

The word of God is alive, and never changing, however our understanding is always changing and growing. Thank You, Father!


Posted by: sonrise

The Old Testament is crucial to understanding the new testament. For the O.T is full of pictures of Christ and who He is. God is introducing His Son to us in the Old Testament and in the New Testament Christ is pointing the way back to His Father. IT is the most incredible love story of the Father and Son and we the first fruits of the Son coming back to the Father!!

King James ordered the translation of the Bible in 1611 by a group of learned men. Before the King James version there were 18 previous, beginning in 1500-500 B.C. when the old testament was put into writing. The New Testament is put together sometime between 52-100 A.D. About 400 A.D. Jerome completed his final translation of the Bible. From there John Wycliffe put out the first english translation (1382), Martin Luther (1522)- into german, and on it goes. . .

What I found very interesting is that only two translations are not copy righted; the King James and the New King James. So if anyone were to publish anything and uses any other translation extensively, they must get permission to use those scriptures in their publication. Isn't that interesting!! You do not need permission to use the K.J. or NKJ.

Rachel is right, I have several translations that I use and want a few more. I love to compare and get a fuller picture of certain scriptures. There are a couple translations I will not use, but that is just me.

You are on an awesome quest and it is okay to spend lots of time in the OT. I do and I love it. I believe you must know the old to really know and understand the new. Because the keys you find in the old, unlocks much truth in the new!!! be blessed!!!!!


Posted by: Christian Commando

The word- "Taanakh", according to historical accouts, refers to the collection of Old Test. Books, divided into 3 basic types, historical, Prophetic and word or (written) Books- (Books of explaination as it were).

But, there is a difference, if recall, the oldest versions of the "Tanakh", had only like 24 Books total in them. But, in all truth, it was shown, all total number of Old Test. Books are contained in writing in the "Tanakh"- (which means- "Torah"- "Canon" of Scripture), but old Jewish writers, combined some of the other Books into one, where newer versions divide them up.

Because the "Tanakh" is the same Old Test. writings taken from earliest known Scriptural texts as found in the "Dead Sea Scrolls", thier translations from Hebrew into English forms will be nearly as identical as regular English versions.

This is where the original Jewish Bible Encyclopedias and Dictionaries came about, for showing true Hebrew and Greek translations and thier meanings, with details on "root words, etc.

As for the New Test., historical accounts show, early versions of our "New Test", came about, as some of the earliest Christian Leaders shortly after the Apostles, came upon thier- (Apostle's) writings to the various Churches and each other, established and grown by them in thier travels, collected and preserved them, to keep record of original Biblical teachings of Christ and Holy Spirit guidance of them, to evntually be put together in bound form, then also translations and more bound forms.

There are speific references made, in later early Church Leaders, of dealings with people who were living during the later half of the first century, speaking of doctrine discussed or recieved from them, knowing these people had to be some of the earliest disciples of the Apostles, since the last of the Apostles, John, by historical evidence, lived as long as to 70- 80 AD.

Your question of how we can trust the New Test comes clearly when historically researched and early Church Leaders researched to notice evidence pointing to the original manuscripts of the later "New Test versions", in Book form, are the translations of the earliest known, collected and preserved, translated writings of the Apostles.

You have no need to fear believing in the New Test, as documented proof is out there, showing the travels of the earliest know Church Leaders after the Apostles, came into possession of thie Apostle's writings to these churches or other Leaders such as Timothy, they then kept them, collected them together and considered them to be the "New Test" part of the "Canon of Scripture".

You are doing fine Aluminate, tho I never experienced the same worry or fear about such things, years back, when God started showing me these Truths, I had the same insatiable interest and hunger for knowing God's Truth as well.

I pray this helps-

God Bless!!


Posted by: BrendaMagana

The Old Testament was the only Holy Writ or Bible that the early Christians had for the first four centuries.

A keen reading through the Bible will show that a good part of what is contained in the New Testament is taken directly from the Old Testament.

Accordingly, the New Testament is basically built on the foundations of the Old Testament. Jesus Himself confirms this when He says in Matthew 5: 17, that He came to fulfil the Old Testament and not to destroy it.

The Lord's Statement in this verse inexorably links the New Testament in very deep way to the Old Testament.

Thus, both the New and Old Testament are the undiluted Word of the Most High God.

God Himself divinely influenced the human authors of the Holy Scriptures (Old and New Testaments) !!!




Posted by: Christian Commando

To add to that insight you shared BrendaMagana,

God also declares thru the Apostles that "men of God spake, as they were moved- (inspired), by the Holy Spirit.

But fact is, there is evidence as well Early Church Leaders had started coming across the Apostles writings, is found in a small book that was uncovered recently, which is a small version and of early century type, that refers to a relationship between particular Early Church Leaders which taught the identical teachings found in the writings of the Apostles, now known as the "Books" of the New Test. And this book is one of the earliest evidences found, to show the closest time in which the New Test writings had started to be found, according to Leaders mentioned and known dating of thier ministry years.

But keep in mind, Brenda is actually more Biblically correct in our needing to focus on the fact God's Word proves and reproves itself from Old To New and New to Old Testaments.

I admit to being a "Doubting Thomas" years back when first started reading, stdying and researching God's Word. But, God was Gracious enough to have given me the info I saught, historically.

Before anyone should think indifferent of some people's historical interest in God's Word, just remember, most of God's Word, contains historical information as well, so there is no shame in wanting to research historical records for other information that God has clearly provided for us to use as we progress and unearth more evidence, otherwise, lets not consider the "Dead Sea Scrolls" then as acceptable to use.

If other artifacts and documentations can't be used along with God's Word, then we best leave all aspects out regardless, and that includes Bible Dictionaries and Encyclopedias for Hebrew and Greek translations. Why? They are not God's Word people, but only language translators for the Bible, providing meanings for them.

I say we dare not leave out extra teaching and learning tools God has provided us for proving His Word or for understanding It better, as both documented and archeological finds provide both for us, from that which is found and written about.

God Bless!!


Posted by: Illuminate

Hello everyone, I am very grateful many of you have taken the time to correspond so quickly. I am still reading the Old Test, Hebrew Bible. In fact, I'm now reading the book of Joshua. And I must convey, I am amazed at God's WORD. His WORD is perfect, Proverbs 30:5-6 which is why I am very interested in the Old Test, Tanakh. He guards and protects HIS WORD in the Old Test, Jeremiah 36:1. Thus far, I have certain scriptures that I would like to share and would also like some insights from anyone that is willing to correspond. I NEED to know and WANT to know what happened in the Old Test right before the New Test began. It is imperative for me to understand how exactly did the New Test came about.

Here are the scriptures that I found very interesting and have had me pondering.

Jeremiah 33:3, Call to Me, and I will answer you, and show you great and mighty things, which you do not know.

Exodus 4:22-23, Then you shall say to Pharaoh, " Thus says the Lord:" Israel is My son, My firstborn.

Deuteronomy 7:6-8, For you are a holy people to the Lord your God; the Lord your God has chosen you to be a people for Himself, a special treasure above all the peoples on the face of the earth. The Lord did not set His love on you nor choose you because you were more in number than any other people, for you were the least of all peoples; but because the Lord loves you, and because he would keep the oath which He swore to your fathers, the Lord has brought out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you from the house of bondage, from the hand of pharaoh king of Egypt.

Deuteronomy 9:6, Therefore understand that the Lord your God is not giving you the is good land to possess because of your righteousness, for you are a stiff-necked.

Deuteronomy 6:4, Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is One.

Deuteronomy 4:39-40, Therefore know this day, and consider it in your heart, that the Lord Himself is God in heaven, above and on the earth beneath, there is no other.


Deuteronomy 10:17, For the Lord your God is God of gods and Lord of lords, the great God, mighty and awesome, who shows no partiality nor takes a bribe.


Isaiah 45:21-22, And there is no other God besides Me, a just God and a savior. there is none besides Me. Look to Me, and be saved, All you ends of the earth! For I am God, and there is no other.

Isaiah 44:6, Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel, and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: I am the First and I am the Last; Beside Me there is no GOD.


Isaiah 43:10-13, You are My witnesses, says the Lord, and My servant whom I have chosen, that you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the Lord, and besides Me there is no savior.

Isaiah 43:1, Fear not, for I have redeemed you

Isaish 43:3, For I am the Lord your God, The Holy One of Israel, your savior.


Isaiah, 44:8, Do not fear, nor be afraid; Have I not told you from that time, and declared it? You are My witnesses. Is there a God besides Me? Indeed there is no other Rock; I know not one.

In reading all these scriptures, if God Almighty is the SAVIOR, REDEEMER and ROCK in the Old Test, most significantly, HIs Word is perfect[U], then why exactly the New Test?

Please do keep sharing insights and findings in the bible. I need to clear this up in my mind and heart.

God Almighty, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob richly bless everyone, amen.

Love,

Lorena


Posted by: Christian Commando

Alluminate-

God shows that from the time Christ starts His Ministry until He leaves earth and ascends to the Father, a new Covenant was established.

This Covenant was foretold many times, such as in Ezekiel- Vision of the Valley of Dry Bones", concerning the two rods brought togeher as one.

The Old Test. is devoted solely to God's relationship with His "First Chosen" people. But, after Jesus would come and God foretells many times how His Chosen would reject Christ as the Messiah and seek Him crucified, God then speaks of allowing others to be included into Salvation, along with the "First Chosen" (Jews).

From Christ's Ressurrection on, no longer would the Jews be God's only "Elect" People anymore. This is why, when Christ chose, according to the Father's guidance, which people to be His Disciples, particular ones God knew before hand, would be chosen to open Salvation to any Gentiles who would accept.

Read the Parable of Christ's about the King's wedding party for his son in the 4Gospel Books. You'll find, when the King's friends rejected his call to the party, then even got violent over it, the King then invited any and all who would come.

This was the new "Covenant" God declared thru Christ, which is why Jesus only preached on the 9 "Moral Commandments" and not the 10th- ceremonial "Sabbath" one.

Now, Jesus was sent to preach mostly to Jews, but, the doctrine preached, still the Old Test "Law" of Love re-istituted- ( "I came not to destroy the Law, but to fufill It"), to an extent, also covered Gentiles to a point, which is why Jews were angry when Jesus performed miracles for some Gentiles while in Ministry- (Roman Centurian's servant, woman at the well, plus others)

Then Peter was chosen, then Saul converted to Paul was chosen, to open door of Salvation to Gentiles. You can go thru the New Test Teachings of the Apostles, and find mutltitudes of Old Test Scriptural quotes, not necessearily complete verses, but parts of them in most cases, of which there is direct confirmation of the original Teachings of God on the "Moral side" of understanding from the Old Test, for living in this New Covenant.

The "Law" of Moses, for the most part is not changed, in relation to acceptance of Gentiles not held under Jewish Cultural Laws of God- (Those God gave to Jews concerning thier cultural backround, ceremonies, etc), where Gentiles are required to follow the general "Law" Teachings, otherwise.

Now, the "LAW" cannot save, but, by guiding us thru ways that avoid sinning, it ultimately shows us our sin as to where we do sin in areas of our lives, and how to avoid doing so.

This is my perception of God's New Test- "Covenant" with man.

God Bless!!


Posted by: Illuminate

Quote:
Originally Posted by Christian Commando
Alluminate-

God shows that from the time Christ starts His Ministry until He leaves earth and ascends to the Father, a new Covenant was established.

This Covenant was foretold many times, such as in Ezekiel- Vision of the Valley of Dry Bones", concerning the two rods brought togeher as one.

The Old Test. is devoted solely to God's relationship with His "First Chosen" people. But, after Jesus would come and God foretells many times how His Chosen would reject Christ as the Messiah and seek Him crucified, God then speaks of allowing others to be included into Salvation, along with the "First Chosen" (Jews).

From Christ's Ressurrection on, no longer would the Jews be God's only "Elect" People anymore. This is why, when Christ chose, according to the Father's guidance, which people to be His Disciples, particular ones God knew before hand, would be chosen to open Salvation to any Gentiles who would accept.

Read the Parable of Christ's about the King's wedding party for his son in the 4Gospel Books. You'll find, when the King's friends rejected his call to the party, then even got violent over it, the King then invited any and all who would come.

This was the new "Covenant" God declared thru Christ, which is why Jesus only preached on the 9 "Moral Commandments" and not the 10th- ceremonial "Sabbath" one.

Now, Jesus was sent to preach mostly to Jews, but, the doctrine preached, still the Old Test "Law" of Love re-istituted- ( "I came not to destroy the Law, but to fufill It"), to an extent, also covered Gentiles to a point, which is why Jews were angry when Jesus performed miracles for some Gentiles while in Ministry- (Roman Centurian's servant, woman at the well, plus others)

Then Peter was chosen, then Saul converted to Paul was chosen, to open door of Salvation to Gentiles. You can go thru the New Test Teachings of the Apostles, and find mutltitudes of Old Test Scriptural quotes, not necessearily complete verses, but parts of them in most cases, of which there is direct confirmation of the original Teachings of God on the "Moral side" of understanding from the Old Test, for living in this New Covenant.

The "Law" of Moses, for the most part is not changed, in relation to acceptance of Gentiles not held under Jewish Cultural Laws of God- (Those God gave to Jews concerning thier cultural backround, ceremonies, etc), where Gentiles are required to follow the general "Law" Teachings, otherwise.

Now, the "LAW" cannot save, but, by guiding us thru ways that avoid sinning, it ultimately shows us our sin as to where we do sin in areas of our lives, and how to avoid doing so.

This is my perception of God's New Test- "Covenant" with man.

God Bless!!


Dear Christian Commando, thank you so much for promptly corresponding. If it isn't too much to ask, can you please point out the scriptures in the Old Test that speaks of the Messiah, Jesus? My heart is not at ease and I need to know where Jesus is introduced in the Old Test. For some odd reason, I have such a dire need to know this. Please do respond as soon as possible.

Thank you again and God bless you,

Lorena


Posted by: Christian Commando

illuminate-

First reference to God providing a Savior for man one day-

A- Gen. 3:15- "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head and thou shalt bruise His heel".

This refers to the coming of the Messiah. The bruising of the serpents head refers to two things- 1- the Ministry of Christ and miracles done to prove His statis. 2- Ressurrection from the dead, to overcome death by sin, taking "keys" of death and Hell from Satan.

How the Serpent will bruise Christ's "Heel" means two things as well- 1- Christ's dieing for the world's and man's sins. 2- His putting evil under His Feet forever eventually when He returns as King of Kings and Lord of Lord's- "unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given and the government shall be upon His Shoulders".

Numbers 21:5-9- 5- people speak against God- (sin). 6- God chastises them- firey serpents sent among them, biting many , killing them. 7- People came to God thru Moses and repented. 8- God instructs Moses to make a firey- (hand made brass) serpent and put it on a pole. 9- Those who were biten but still alive could look upon brass serpent and live.

This represents Christ and what He spoke of coming not to bring peace but division- (people turning against God and Christ not accepted, to those who do accept Him as Messiah). Christ reinstilling God's "Love" attitude for man and turning us from being so legalistic in the "Law" to more "moral" in our hearts.

When Christ came, many rejected Him, not understanding Scripture, thus not accepting Him as the Messiah, even tho signs clearly paved the way. Yet, those who did understand and accept the Truth, were accepted by God.

As such, those chosen who rejected Christ, died in thier sins, (as did the Jews biten by the serpents who died). Yet those who turned to follow Christ- (repented to God, tho biten), turned, followed Christ- (looked upon brass serpent), and recieved life- (eternal life).

Again, another example of Christ's coming to save the world and man from sin.

Well, enough for tonite, will continue when younger in the day.

God Bless!!


Posted by: Illuminate

[QUOTE=Christian Commando]Alluminate-

The Old Test. is devoted solely to God's relationship with His "First Chosen" people. But, after Jesus would come and God foretells many times how His Chosen would reject Christ as the Messiah and seek Him crucified, God then speaks of allowing others to be included into Salvation, along with the "First Chosen" (Jews).[B]


Hello Christian Commando, please do find scripture of what you have stated in the Old Test. I would like to read it and ponder on it. I was advised to read the book of Daniel for findings in scripture where the Messiah is introduced, which I will do very soon.

Once again, I would greatly appreciate it if you would share scripture on regarding your statement I have highlighted in blue. Thank you in advance and many blessings to you.

Lorena

PS: where can I find scriptures of salvation as well in the Old Test?


Posted by: Christian Commando

illuminate-

I should have clarified something about God's Prophecies of Christ's coming. First, God shows this in people and what happens to them, such as Noah and Jonah for two off and. Besides the written - spoken prophecies of such.

Noah is a form of "symbolic", for as God declares a Messiah - anointed one, sent one, will come but be rejected, - Noah was the only man found "perfect in his generations"- (thinking and operating).

Christ would then spend time among His people- Noah spent all those years building that ark and followed all other of God's Commands to him. Christ would be rejected by some, yet accepted by some- Look at Noah's rejection and critizim against him by others. Yet his children believed in and followed him for following God. Thus, Christ died for our sins, to save those who chose to believe in and follow Him. As with Noah going thru the flood, God saved his 3 boys- (represents 3 days and nites of suffering) and thier families for choosing God and following as thier Father lead them of God. (Many shall come, but few will enter), as such it was just Noah and his family that were saved.

But, Jesus also went thru that terrible pain and torment for those who would come after as well- Shem, Ham and Japheth carrying on the human race after the flood to populate the world- (showing growth of more people coming to belong to God, but also many lost to God).

Christ ressurrected and ascending to Heaven, overcoming death by sin- (Noah and family finally able to leave Ark and start living on earth again, to repopulate the human race.) Christ being "First Fruits" of Ressurrection, God's Covenant Rainbow to Noah for never trying to destroy man again by flood- eternal life Promise for God's Children.

Then there is Jonah, who is symbolic of what Christ- (Messiah), would endure for our sins when swallowed up by the big fish and being dead in its belly for 3 days.

Then you also have Shadreck, Mesheck and Abednigo, who were cast into the fire, portraying A- fire- torment and suffering of Christ. B- 3 people representing the time Christ would suffer in days and nites, 4th person appearing and walking with them- appearing as if were the son of God- to show it would be Christ- Messiah, who would do this wonderful thing for man.

Neither the touchng of fire on them or smell of it represents Christ's ressurrection in Glory, overcoming death by sin.

Ok, now, here is a list of some of the Scriptures found- Deut. 18:15 ; Isa. 7:14, 9:7, 53:3-5,7,9,12 ; Ps. 16:10. 22:18, 34:20, 68:18, 69:21 ; Zech. 9:9.

Ok now, I'm not gonna list them all, but will add more in a later post, but it is claimed there are more than 1,000 prophecies in each Book of Old Test. speaking of Christ's coming. Sorry, never counted them myself hehe.

That should give you a start anyways -

God Bless!!


Posted by: Illuminate

Quote:
Originally Posted by sonrise
The Old Testament is crucial to understanding the new testament.
King James ordered the translation of the Bible in 1611 by a group of learned men. Rachel is right, I have several translations that I use and want a few more. I love to compare and get a fuller picture of certain scriptures. There are a couple translations I will not use, but that is just me.

You are on an awesome quest and it is okay to spend lots of time in the OT. I do and I love it. I believe you must know the old to really know and understand the new. Because the keys you find in the old, unlocks much truth in the new!!! be blessed!!!!!


Good morning sonrise, thank you so much for responding to my inquiry as I thank everyone else as well. I am still searching for the TRUTH in GOD's Word and have been consumed by it all. It's a wonderful distraction, praise God.

In reference to your statement "king James ordered the translation of the Bible in 1611 by a group of learned men. " Sonrise, would you happen to know who these people were? I would grately appreciate the information.

By the way, I fully agree with your statement, " The Old Testament is crucial to understanding the new testament." In fact,
it is wise to find truth in the Tanakh, "Old test" in order to understand the New covenant. I still do not know why I'm so consumed in reading the Tanakh, only El Shaddai knows and I pray HE will soon reveal it to me.

As far as having several translations, I wish I could say the same, however, I only want the authentic bible. I don't want to misinterpret any word because just simply misinterpreting one word and the rest of the sentence will change. I know the Jews seem "bad or untrustworthy" to most people, however, I can't help but to believe that their bible would be the authentic one only because they knew the language and we don't. Moses took dictation from God Almighty Himself and Moses was a Jew. The Old Test was written by GOD Almighty, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the same God they served. Therefore, I am in dire search of an authentic Hebrew, English, translation bible. I need a title of an authentic Hebrew, English bible. If anyone happens to recommend such a bible, please do share. Thank you in advance.

I have a lot more questions but I need to continue reading the "Old Test."

Have a blessed day sonrise, and everyone~

God bless,

Lorena


Posted by: Christian Commando

Illminate-

Give me some time, and I'll do what I can to find one for you. Or at the least, a name of one, whatever the cse may be.

God Bless!!


Posted by: Illuminate

Quote:
Originally Posted by Christian Commando
Illminate-

Give me some time, and I'll do what I can to find one for you. Or at the least, a name of one, whatever the cse may be.

God Bless!!


Thank u so much, Christian Commando~

I deeply appreciate your time, attention and help. I pray El Shaddai blesses you abundantly in every aspect of your life, in HIS POWERFUL name I pray, amen.

God bless and thank you so much~

Lorena


Posted by: sonrise

I looked up who those men were, and at the moment all I can find is they were theological scholars. The only authentic writings we have are the original writings from whence they translated the different books. I have researched many bibles and we just have to trust in Him and His Holy Spirit to lead us in all truth. I cannot say what is authentic or not. Yet there are some translations which I do shy away from. I am very careful with the amplified as I found some real descrepancies, and I do not use the niv. There are some which are fine for those who are just coming into Christ and are easier to understand, but they are just beginner books, as I call them. You will find many different opinions as to what is authentic and I shy away from that.

As cc pointed out there are many different pictures painted of Christ and His redemption throughout the old Testament. As he said about Noah, I will point out the word "pitch" in which the ark was pitched, the root word in the Hebrew is the same root word for atonement. Mt. Arart means "the curse is reversed". I don't have my notes in front of me concerning all the hidden meaning in words from the story of Noah, yet it shows the beautiful truth of Christ's atoning work.

I have some notes on the name of God which I need to find that I give to all that I teach and I will post them for you. It will make reading your bible even more exciting.

I really recommend you keep a strong's concordance on hand as it will give a greater understanding as many words do not mean the same as our english meaning and it can change your understanding of a passage greatly.

I use the complete jewish bible and the jerusalem bible and find they come closest to being almost the same in translation.

Be blessed on your journey!!!


Posted by: Illuminate

Quote:
Originally Posted by sonrise
I use the complete jewish bible and the jerusalem bible and find they come closest to being almost the same in translation.

Be blessed on your journey!!!


Good gracious morning sonrise,

Thank you again for responding. May I ask what are the titles of the Jewish and the jerusalem translation bibles you are reading? Thank you in advance and God bless.

Have a blessed day~

Lorena

PS: I must confess, at times I feel a bit overwhelmed with what I'm reading in the Old Test. I am using New King James Version but I'm not too convinced of it's authenticity. I pray our Heavenly Father will reveal the truth to me soon because I am reading and understanding scriptures in a way that no one could possibley approve of, which concerns me a lot. Moreover, it is why I need to hear from God Almighty desperately in a very clear way, n HIS POWERFUL name I ask, amen.


Posted by: Rachel R

I am not sure what is upsetting you.

I feel the tension in your words, but don't know what is wrong.

I really want to understand.

The Word is the Word, Old Testament and New.

Is it what you are reading that is disturbing you?

Some parts of the Old Testament are pretty harsh.

The whole overview of the Word is to show that God set up this time frame to redeem sinful man through the sacrifice of his Son, Jesus.

It is a sorting process to avoid a repeat of the civil war in heaven when the angels rebelled.

I am thrilled that you are searching the Word, it is a wonderful thing to do.

The closer we come to Jesus' return, the more hunger people have to really understand what is happening.

I hope the Word is a comfort to your heart.

Rachel R


Posted by: Illuminate

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rachel R
I am not sure what is upsetting you.

I feel the tension in your words, but don't know what is wrong.

I really want to understand.

The Word is the Word, Old Testament and New.

Is it what you are reading that is disturbing you?

Some parts of the Old Testament are pretty harsh.

The whole overview of the Word is to show that God set up this time frame to redeem sinful man through the sacrifice of his Son, Jesus.

It is a sorting process to avoid a repeat of the civil war in heaven when the angels rebelled.

I am thrilled that you are searching the Word, it is a wonderful thing to do.

The closer we come to Jesus' return, the more hunger people have to really understand what is happening.

I hope the Word is a comfort to your heart.

Rachel R


Hello Rachel,

First and foremost, I want to thank you for your compassion and encouraging words. God Almighty always seems to uplift me through your words and I am grateful to HIM for you, praise our LORD God Almighty, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

As of right now I can't express my mixed emotions but in due time. Reading the Hebrew Bible, "Old Test" has been a great journey and I pray the LORD God Almighty shines HIS light upon me and gives me wisdom to understand what it is that HE is trying to tell me, in HIS POWERFUL name I pray, amen.

Just last night I was reading the bible while speaking with a friend. We were discussing all the different "gods" that UNFORTUNATELY exist and how innocent people can be easily mislead to pray unto them. Suddenly, I look at my New King James bible and noticed the symbol on it. My bible has a Celtic knot with a triangular design printed on it. This same Celtic symbol is used in the series, "Charmed, " which I USE to see many years ago but no longer allow such shows in my life. I have always seen this symbol used for witchcraft rituals. However, I just finished reading that this particular Celtic symbol came from the Roman Catholics. The Celtic Roman Catholics used this symbol to represent the "Holy Trinity." I now question did this Celtic symbol come from early Christian Celtics or the Revival of the Celtic Roman Catholics? Rachel, if you or anyone else here at anointed.net has any insights of such a Celtic symbol, what it really represents, where did it ORIGINALLY originate from and why it is in the New King James bible, please do share with me. I am very interested in knowing this information as it can tell me more about the bibles author, King James.

Thank you again for your patience and kindness. God Almighty bless you always~

Love,

Lorena

PS: I am in the process of purchasing the "Stone Edition Tanakh" bible as it was recommended by a friend telling me it should be an authentic bible. Do you have any insight of this bible?


Posted by: Christian Commando

Illuminate, one of the reasons I read the KJV of which are 4 different versions going back beyond 1611 is because they are proven to be one of the versions that is 90% or more accurate to Old original Writings of like the "Dead Sea Scrolls" etc.

But, I will say this, the old English versions are much harder to understand when need to swap lettering in some cases in words used, which can be confusing, till the association is figured out.

God Bless!!


Posted by: Rachel R

I love the celtic knot! Isn't it lovely.

I have a wonderful necklace that is one. I know it came from the secret Christian symbols used during persecution. When they wanted to let someone know that they were a Believer without saying it out loud, they could tie knots or draw symbols that would help them recognize each other.

It was like a spy network, and an underground movement, I guess.

It also related to walking the Labyrinth.

Have you heard of that? It is a method of prayer and contemplation.

Some of the knot designs look like Labyrinths.


I am sorry to say that King James was not the Author.

He was just the King that gathered up scholars and had them make the Bible in its present form.

God used LOTS of people to form the scriptures.

He uses lots of versions to speak to peoples hearts. I can't imagine how many I have used. They are all useful in their own way.


To me the difference in the Old and New Testaments is that the Old Testament talks about how man can hook up with God, and the New Testament is about God hooking up with man.

The Old Testament is the preparation for Jesus, and the new is Jesus, in all his wonder and glory.

I am glad to hear it is a good thing to you. I was concerned that you weren't enjoying it, that it was stressing you.

Keep going. Learning is SO WONDERFUL!!!

Rachel R




Posted by: Christian Commando

Rachel R-

Quite true about that underground Christian symbol. Fact is, there have been several kinds used in iffering countries for Christians to be recognized by others in thier underground systems as such.

China used to have the same thing, but have heard Christianity is more out in open now, tho haven't kept up with all that stuff recently.

As for the KJV of the Bible, yes, King James authorized, or had a version of the "Canon of Scripture" translated and written in Englands Old English language back then. Newer versions may have more errors in it, but remember, these Scriptures have been translated now for how many years and times in those years. And man is falable.

Only God's original "Torah" given to man is not falable. Copies will have some because they are done by man.For instance, one of my favorites-

Gen. 6:4- "There were giants in the earth in those days...." The word "giants" is not original text.

"Nephilium" is.

Early Church Leaders, speaking of Noah's Day, use Scriptures such as Job 1:6, 2:1, plus other ones, to show the "son's of God" in Gen 6:2, were angels- -(fallen angels).

That these "fallen angels", lusted after earthly women- Gen. 6:2,4. The offspring mentioned in v 4, were the "Nephilium", now called "giants".

Historical research shows, man, at a later time in history, decided this belief was unacceptable and changed the belief to the women being good daughters of one of God's children, while these "son's of God" were sons of an evil side, probably thru Cain's blood line.

anyways, thats one xample.

God Bless!!


Posted by: Illuminate

Hello Rachel and Christian Commando,

Thank you both for your input on all this. I sincerely appreciate your feedback.

I have continued to do more research on the CelticTriquetra symbol and have encountered very interesting information.

From what I have read, it is a pagan symbol as well. It was used in the ancient worship of the pagan god "Baal," which was the pagan god used by the ancient Babylonians. As I have stated before, it is also used by modern-day "witches," as on the tv show "Charmed." Some will say that show is "all in good fun," but it is still based basically on "Satan-worship," which is what witchcraft really is-Satan worship. Moreover, I would rather AVOID these triquetras and other "symbols" of worship. From what I have researched, the pagans HAVE TO USE SYMBOLS because that is all that their gods are--just symbols made of gold, silver, other metals etc. But God told the ancient Israelites not to make ANY "graven images," even IF they are perceived to be "Christian" images, or symbols. All through the Bible, there was NEVER any mention ANYWHERE, that God changed his mind on this. He does NOT want His people to do ANYTHING that is similar to what the pagans do.

I must convey that soon I will be investing on the Stone Edition Tanakh. I can't see myself reading the NKJV while knowing all that I have discovered. I cannot dismiss this.

Thank you both again. I grately appreciate any insights.

Have a blessed evening.

illuminate


Posted by: Christian Commando

Illuminate-

quite true about the "images" you spoke of, but, may I shre some insight about this as well what you spoke of-

Christmas- Why do we celebrate it? To remember Jesus' birth, right? Well, heres the problem-

A- Some people argue we shouldn't because we do it in December when Jesus was most likely born in Spring or summer months according to closest historical records.

B- We have a pine tree for Christmas. People have claimed this to be part of a pagan or cult method of worship to a false god.

C- Giving of Gifts is wrong at Christmas as thats not true Spirit of God demonstrated.

But, here is how I see it- Christ commanded us to do things in rememberance of Him- (Christmas- birth). The tree represents life- Christ came to give life. Star at top with lights on tree- stands for Bethlehem Star with light from star shining down upon birth place.

Gifts- Christ being the Gift of God to man and the world to be the ultimate sacrifice for our sins to bring us back into direct touch with our creator.

Easter-

A- Bunny- represents the false god of fertility.

B- eggs- represent the life producing power of this false fertility god.

But, how do Christians view it? As Christ's rising from the dead, overcoming death by sin and ascending to Heaven as the "First Fruits" of the ressurrection- (eternal Life).

Here are just two examples you probably involve yours or other children in, of events during the year, that you never thought were bad or wrong.

But, I suggest, even if something was originally started out as pagan and wrong, God can still turn it to good and Glorifying of Him.

To say we should not have any graven images at all means, no crosses, no altars, no statues or pictures of Jesus, or the cross with Jesus on them and the list goes on.

Yet, these "graven images" as you call them, are not as God is worried about concerning those things being worshipped instead of Him or Christ, but actually reminders and messages to others, what and how we believe, not as things we worship.

Pagans made such things which they believed thier false gods were in, tus they worshipped those objects. True Christianity does not worship the images, but only has them as reminders of who they truely do worship- God the Father, Son and Holy Ghost.

I pray people who read this, keep such things in mind, as representations, symbols or reminders are really all they are, and in Truth, we should not be involved then in any holiday rituals even related to God, Christ etc, if based upon original pagan practices or false gods.

Yet, how else are we to keep in remembrance God and His Trinity, or Christ and what His part was all about, so long as we keep God's reasonings based upon those celebrations of such holidays.

God Bless your research my friend!!


Posted by: sonrise

It has taken awhile but a friend just e-mailed me a wonderful site with an indepth history of the bible and probably the most information I have found yet. It has been quite an eye opener for me. IT is called ***deleted by akabezalel*** I have it earmarked so I can go back and spend some time researching. I am still searching my notes for some other info I had promised. blessing!!


Posted by: Rachel R

(Wow, sonrise, good website!)

How are you doing, Lorena?

Still learning and growing in the Word?

Let us know how you are progressing...


Don't worry about every little symbol that the enemy tries to steal and claim as his own.

We are light, and when we come in, darkness has to flee.

The enemy never created or originated anything, all he can do is try to steal things and call them his.

Don't be afraid, our God is able to help and protect us.

Just enjoy feeding on all forms of the Word of God and tell the enemy to GO!

God must be so excited to see someone who is excited to read his amazing Word and allow him to bless them through it!

I hope all is well with you...

Rachel R


Posted by: akabezalel

Hi sonrise!

I know you didn't intend to bend a rule but we do have a policy here on Anointed.net not to allow advertising and the site you posted was for an online book seller.

If you want to post the site you need to PM JG to ask and receive permission before you put it in a post, he then asks me to do it for you so that the link is unbroken.

Thanks
akabezalel


Posted by: Illuminate

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rachel R
(Wow, sonrise, good website!)

How are you doing, Lorena?

Still learning and growing in the Word?

Let us know how you are progressing...


Don't worry about every little symbol that the enemy tries to steal and claim as his own.

We are light, and when we come in, darkness has to flee.

The enemy never created or originated anything, all he can do is try to steal things and call them his.

Don't be afraid, our God is able to help and protect us.

Just enjoy feeding on all forms of the Word of God and tell the enemy to GO!

God must be so excited to see someone who is excited to read his amazing Word and allow him to bless them through it!

I hope all is well with you...

Rachel R


Dear Rachel, Hi~

I have received my Stone Edition of Tanach and have been reading! I'm excited because it is Hebrew and English translated. What better bible then to have the authentic Hebrew from people that knew their own language. It is VERY interesting. I'm looking forward to learning God's WORD. I will get back with everyone later.

God bless you Rachel, Christian Commando and EVERYONE~

Love~

Lorena