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God opens and closes the womb

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Posted by: pray4God2blessmewithababygirl

Hello everyone,

I would like some Godly wisdom, knowledge, understanding and guidance concerning God opening and closing the womb. I totally, whole-heartedly believe that it is God who opens and closes the womb (see the scriptures below

"Ephraim's glory will fly away like a bird - no birth, no pregnancy, no conception." [Hosea 9:11] (God will prevent it)

"The angel of the LORD appeared to her and said, "You are sterile and childless, but you are going to conceive and have a son." [Judges 13:3]

"Boaz took Ruth and she became his wife. Then he went to her, and the LORD enabled her to conceive, and she gave birth to a son." [Ruth 4:13]
"When the LORD saw that Leah was hated, he opened her womb: but Rachel was barren (womb kept closed by God)." [Genesis 29:31]

"Then God remembered Rachel; he listened to her and opened her womb." [Genesis 30:22]

"But to Hannah he gave a double portion because he loved her, and the LORD had closed her womb." [1 Samuel 1:5]

Being that God opens and closes the womb, why is it that teenagers, people who abuse children, people who throw their children in the trashcan, people who abort babies, people who say their child was unplanned(when they had unprotected intercourse), people who don't want children get pregnant when often times, couples WHO ARE IN AN ORDAINED OF GOD TO MARRIAGE, have trouble conceiving? Now I understand, that those who are outside of the will of God (premarital intercourse) are sinning, but the Bible clearly says that children are a BLESSING from Him(God) - (see scripture below.)

"Sons are a heritage from the LORD, children a reward from him. Like arrows in the hands of a warrior are sons born in one's youth. Blessed is the man whose quiver is full of them." [Psalm 127:3-5]

Why would God "reward" those that I mentioned above with a child/children? Couldn't God just close their wombs?

P.S. I just wanted to add that I LOVE God, I know that GOD IS IN CONTROL and I know that God Knows what He is doing!!! I understand that God is sovereign, (He can do whatever He wants to when he wants to) but I was just wondering about this. I pray it's o.k. to ask this - some people think we should not question/ask certain things, so if I am in error, just let me know - I don't mean to be though, just wondering about this, as many people have/do. Thanks!!!


Posted by: hjbigrapids

Sometimes the things that happen to Christians are hard to understand when you see people of the world having so much success and being given so much.

It's not God who gives these people children. They are not of God. They are of the ruler of the world.

I believe that sometimes God witholds some things from us as a test and also to teach us trust, perserverence, faith and understanding of His timing and His plans.

There are worldly people who go through the same thing. I have an acquaintance who had multiple miscarriages until she was 37. My daughter was born 40 years ago, since then there has not been another child. Why the one and not more, I do not know.

I will pray for you and when it is time the Lord will provide.


Posted by: pray4God2blessmewithababygirl

Thank you so much for your response. I must state that I AM NOT MARRIED. This is just a general question that I have, that's all. I will say though that I believe your statement that "I believe that sometimes God witholds some things from us as a test and also to teach us trust, perserverence, faith and understanding of His timing and His plans." applies to me. I also appreciate this - "I will pray for you and when it is time the Lord will provide." Thank you kindly.


Posted by: pray4God2blessmewithababygirl

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Originally Posted by hjbigrapids

It's not God who gives these people children. They are not of God. They are of the ruler of the world.
Sorry, I don't quite understand this...
Being that a child is always a blessing, no matter how (even if sin) he/she was conceived, how could the children not be from God? For example, I know of someone who had nine abortions and she now has two daugthers. She once stated that if she had not had her daughter, she would have committed suicide. I have heard of others saying this too. It is as though, even though these people sinned and they had a child/children out of wedlock, GOD USED THEIR CHILD/CHILDREN TO MINISTER TO THEM and TO BRING THEM CLOSER TO GOD. The ruler of this world...the devil...satan is not in the blessing business...he is out to steal, kill and destroy...I would think that the devil would give people AIDS or some STD...instead of a beautiful child. Can you please help me to understand, thanks???


Posted by: hjbigrapids

As you said, satan comes to steal, kill and destroy. He uses any means he can to accomplish this goal. Unwanted children, children born out of wed-lock, children who grow up in families that don't know God are all part of his trying to fill the world with his type. Godly people see this and wonder why God lets it happen. That is what satan is trying to encourage. Getting people to question why God does things the way He does and why He allows such things to happen.

It is like the yeast of the Pharisee's, it soon spreads through the entire dough. He figures that if he can get enough un-godly people out there, he will take over. He does not believe or accept that he has already lost.

Children are a gift of God. They are cherished by a lot of saved and unsaved people. Yet there is still that underlying faction that tries to permeate evil and undo all the good of God. Why else would there be New Age, witches, pseudo-christians who go to church to disrupt the church. There is an endless list of this stuff that opposes God. I don't understand it all, all I know is we need to seek His understanding and wisdom. We need to pray for the unsaved, we need to come against the strongholds, we need to fight the onslaught. The weapons we use are not of this world and the forces we fight are not of this world.


Posted by: eagle4him

Complicated issues here and no clear cut answers. I will get into trouble for even participating in this discussion, but here I go anyway. One of the greatest tricks of Satan is to bless people. Especially by tricking people into thinking that their blessing is coming from God. Then the person believes falseley that he or she is deserving of the "blessing" because of some merited good works.

This keeps a person from seeking God in a very deep level, it may also keep a person from true repentance. What a great lie!

You stated that you are not married, but you want God to bless you with a baby ? Are you planning to go to a clinic?

I believe the Bible is clear about the process of conceiving a family God's way. Through marriage, (one man and one woman) and as an act of love.

As far as why bad and good things happen to saints and sinners, alike, it is a mystery. One that I do not understand, but it rains on the just and the unjust alike. We cannot do anything to earn any more of God's love for us. He also hardens the hearts of those He chooses for His purposes!

Look at Pharoah. The Bible says that God hardened his heart--then used it to set an entire Nation free! That is incredible, however it probably didn't feel to good to the Israelites that lived under his harsh rules! But in the end, God did accomplish His purposes!


Posted by: pray4God2blessmewithababygirl

* eagle4him - I was just thinking that I should change my screenname. Obviously people are going to look at it and naturally think that I am asking for prayers for a baby. When I first came to this site, I WAS IN ERROR, by asking for prayers for a baby, knowing that I was not married. I admitted my faults and I have not come back to the site asking for prayers. As a matter-of-fact, if someone would have told me that there would come a time in my life when I would desire a baby, knowing that I am not married, I WOULD HAVE REBUKED THE DEVIL SO QUICK IT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN FUNNY. How was I suppose to know that I would come to a place in my life where I would begin to feel that child-bearing days are drawing closer and that I need to produce quick, fast and a hurry. I begin to not even care what the church would think and boyee would they have an opinion about it. I started this thread because this question is just something that I always wondered - even Godly Ordained Christian Couples, who have "all rights" to have children wonder this sometimes. Maybe I am in error by even wondering. Maybe I shouldn't even let this be a thought of mines - I should probably just cast down the thoughts of wondering how God does and does not decide - obviously, it's not doing any good to wonder.

***I just want to make it clear that I AM UNMARRIED and that I AM NOT ASKING ANYONE FOR ANY PRAYERS CONCERNING HAVING A BABY.***

"I believe the Bible is clear about the process of conceiving a family God's way. Through marriage, (one man and one woman) and as an act of love." - I like this statement, it is true and it certainly sums things up Biblically!!!

"As far as why bad and good things happen to saints and sinners, alike, it is a mystery. One that I do not understand, but it rains on the just and the unjust alike. We cannot do anything to earn any more of God's love for us. He also hardens the hearts of those He chooses for His purposes!" - True!!!

"One of the greatest tricks of Satan is to bless people. Especially by tricking people into thinking that their blessing is coming from God." - Wow, that's not good - that's scary.

"You stated that you are not married, but you want God to bless you with a baby ? Are you planning to go to a clinic?" - (Laughing Out Loud) - even though I have made it clear, that I did not ask for prayers for a baby (I am sure you gathered that from my screenname), this is a fair question and I understand it.

"I will get into trouble for even participating in this discussion, but here I go anyway." - I would hope not. Jesus said, "Let your LIGHT so shine before men that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in Heaven." "You are the LIGHT of the world." A LIGHT should not be hid - thank you for shining the LIGHT of JESUS abroad on this situation. Thank you for not witholding and for saying what was in your soul - thanks!!!


Posted by: Christian Commando

pray4Godtoblessmewithababygirl-

All babies are a Gift of God. Why? Jesus declares- let the little children come unto Me, for they are of the Kingdom of Heaven. God also shows where Children, from fetal stages until they are old enough to make thier own decision who to follow, automatically are covered under the Blood of Christ.

The problem of why unsaved people have so many babies and abuse them in so many ways and why so many of God's Children can be left childless, is becaise sin came into this world by one man and death by sin.

The world and man are sinful now, tainted. Thus, all manner of unrightceousness will happen, this includes what appears to be unfairness. But, God gave man dominion over the earth, giving man "procreative" abilities.

While God speaks against fornication- sex outside of marriage, adultry, sex between at least one married partner with another not thier spouse, etc, yet, man goes against God regardless.

Why does God allow this? As mentioned, God gave man dominion over the earth and the right of when to allow God or satan, to act in thier lives, Christian or unsaved.

While being Gifted with a child can be a blessing from God, remember also, the unsaved may also be cursed with a child being a Blessing. A Gift of God they didn't want, tho wanted the temporary moment of pleasure that mistakenly ended up in a result not expected.

God shows, for every good that is done, or every evil done, there are consequences. The consequence of a sin tainted world and man, results in weeds, thistles and more in Genesis shown, but also other forms, disease, viruses, unbalance in systems, from environmental, to inside our bodies.

But, in cases of unplanned pregnancies and abortive methods used, those mother's suffer more than just the physical aspect of it for this momentary pleasurable action-
also psychological problems afterwards, as tho they are no longer complete. They are nowfeeling incomplete, for something that they feel is missing in them, no longer being whole.

Many a mother I've talked with who've had abortions never feel right again after that, and always regret having it done. Thus, the consequence for such things are not good.

God created man with this ability, so a woman would not feel this loss by going full term with a child growing inside her. When a fetus is removed early, most particularly in abortion proceedures, the woman is left feeling empty, or not complete because of that.

Yes, God is in control of all things, but He also is "all knowing", therefore, He already knows which woman will keep her baby and which will terminate its life. But God is not a puppeteer, He is a loving Father who still recieves that aborted or otherwise lost baby into His Kingdom. Yet, having given us dominion over earth, He allows us the choices to make, according to the influence we choose to listen to or follow.

Remember, God declares it's His wish that none would be lost to Hell. But, He also knows He gave us free will to make our own decisions, therefore, He will act only upon that in our lives, we choose to seek Him to do so.

I pray this helps.

God Bless!!


Posted by: pray4God2blessmewithababygirl

Wow, that was so beautifully said, more like *** anointedly said. *** It made everything that was unclear, truly clear for me. ...Things that I have known way deep down in my soul, but they got buried due to my desire of wanting a baby so badly. Perhaps I was trying to justify things in my mind and saying o.k. God - you allow this sinner to have a baby, but another sinner you do not. Things in my mind really were in a whirlwind. You just really gathered together and captured the heart/thoughts of God (I'm not trying to be deep - I know that no one knows the mind of God), but what I'm trying to say is that it seems that what was in God's heart for me and His thoughts towards this situation for me, were made clear through you, to me, from God, because I sure wasn't getting it at all. That really made me teary-eyed and I thank God for using you to bless me. Perhaps now, I can have some peace and my heart, mind, spirit and soul can be settled. I might even print out your response and place it in my Bible to re-read from time to time again and again. I feel like I can let go now. Maybe why I was able to "finally get it" and really receive this is because I really don't want to be questioning God about this issue anymore. I have really felt bad and felt like I was dishonoring God and hurting Him by repeatedly questioning God on this issue. You just don't know how much I appreciate it. All PRAISE, HONOR and GLORY is due to God, but I do thank and "honor" God for using you. You didn't have to do it, but you did. Thanks so much!!!


Posted by: Rachel R

I really do think that changing your name is a good idea.

Choose something wonderful and full of hope!

We care about you and want you to stay here with us...

Rachel R


Posted by: diamondcreates

I totally understand what you mean about how Christian couples have a hard time having children, but others whom are ignorant to sin and the ways of the devil are constantly having children under age, a huge increase in high school drop outs, but if you blow on them they become pregnant. I too have thought that many years ago when I saw this couple I grew up with from my childhood church with my grandmother to another church in my late teens early twenties. They constantly did things for the church for the different communities surrounding the church and other towns. But was childless. But then I realized that they are 'parents'. Not in the biological way - but spiritually, emoitionally and mentally, to these young children and young adults. They reach out to them and help them out in every aspect you can imagine. They have started the out reach youth program not at this church but many churches in this town and others. They not just mentor but they parent those children whom mothers work 2 -3 jobs to keep a roof over their heads, and instead of allowing the streets to over take these youths whom are unsupervised because the mother/father has to work so many hours, this Christian couple reaches out and becomes that mother/father figure that they need in their lives during those destructive hours of after school/evening when they are usually home alone. That is this couple's 'parenting' aspect in life. Not to 'give birth' but to help give a child a gift of life'. So God always knows what HE is doing when HE does things. We don't -- but when HE is ready for us to know -- to fully understand the reason and purpose behind things -- HE definitely shows it to us in a grand way. Amen!!!


Posted by: Christian Commando

diamondcreates-

While you shared some good insight, we must remain in context to God. God has created man to procreate, that means not only thru both a man and woman's components we can reproduce an image of ourselves, but also thru a time of developement, a child, at its proper time, is given birth to.

And God refers to this point of fact in His Word, relating to His Spiritual offer of Salvation. Jesus declares, unless a man be "born again", he shall not see the Kingdom of Heaven.

Parents serve several purposes in the aspect of "parenting" as you called it- 1- Procreation- creating physical life thru shared components of each. 2- Developement of fetus to the moment of birth, thru the mother's body as the vessel for proper transferance of needed nutrients, oxygen and more. 3- God guided care and teaching of a child, as it grows from a baby into an adult, to be capable of living according to God in this world as an adult.

Birth, in essence, is the second most important step in a babies physical aspect of life. Yet, it is the one most important step when they are old enough to decide, for thier Spiritual life after physical death.

Probably the dumbest question I've ever heard argued over for ages was- "which came first, the chicken or the egg?" Simple- the chicken. Why? God created all living creatures first, but shows He had them done, so each could reproduce its own kind.

Being a Biology and Chemistry major as well in specific fields, I've also learned of at least on creature God created, which contains both components in each creature to be able to repoduce itself, and that is a worm of some type, I believe earth worm, but not sure since so long ago now.

Since my 20's, I have always disagreed with man experimenting with nature in some instances. God had created all living things to be able to reproduce itself, procreate and give birth to new life. Yet man, has come to a place, they have learned, as with plant life, to develope and grow "hybrids". These are what they believe to be the most pure form of that plant, yet, as a hybrid, it has no ability to reproduce itself, as God originally intended. Thus, that "pure" belief is false.

For even God created Angels of a gender-(male or female)- Gen. 6:2, 16:7-8, 19:1,5- Job 38:4-7- plus many more I could share. This thing of man going against the nature God created truely disturbs me.

So, as stated before, birth is important and is a very important step in man's procreation God instilled in him from creation.

God Bless!!


Posted by: MarkSentMe

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Why would God "reward" those that I mentioned above with a child/children? Couldn't God just close their wombs?


The rain falls equally on the righteous and the unrighteous. God's grace is bestowed on people whom we may feel are undeserving; but we don't know if that person has not been prayed for. You can drive yourself crazy trying to figure out why God blesses some with children and others He makes wait (been there).

My family is a resource family (AKA foster family). My husband and I have 2 incredible God-loving children. They are loving and open to all the children who come into our home. While we had always hoped for a large family of biological children, we are thankful for the children we are called to parent.
Perhaps God has a plan for you to be a parent to one of His children. You can mentor a young girl who does not know Jesus Christ and have the responsibility to bringing the children to Him. Being a mother has nothing to do with giving birth.

You are not required to be married to be a foster parent (in some cases, it is better for a girl to be in a home with no adult males- ie: some forms of sexual abuse)


Posted by: pray4God2blessmewithababygirl

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Originally Posted by MarkSentMe
The rain falls equally on the righteous and the unrighteous. God's grace is bestowed on people whom we may feel are undeserving; but we don't know if that person has not been prayed for. You can drive yourself crazy trying to figure out why God blesses some with children and others He makes wait (been there).

My family is a resource family (AKA foster family). My husband and I have 2 incredible God-loving children. They are loving and open to all the children who come into our home. While we had always hoped for a large family of biological children, we are thankful for the children we are called to parent.
Perhaps God has a plan for you to be a parent to one of His children. You can mentor a young girl who does not know Jesus Christ and have the responsibility to bringing the children to Him. Being a mother has nothing to do with giving birth.

You are not required to be married to be a foster parent (in some cases, it is better for a girl to be in a home with no adult males- ie: some forms of sexual abuse)
You can drive yourself crazy trying to figure out why God blesses some with children and others He makes wait (been there). - Yes, this is very true!

I do understand what you mean about parenting chidren who are not biological. I think I mentioned this somewhere, but I have an adopted brother - so believe me, I understand. I worked at a children's home for 4 years. I know of several foster parents and I believe that being a foster parent/adoptive parent is a beautiful thing, I really do. I will not go too much into detail, because I think that I have almost laid to rest and buried this desire to be pregnant right now! - noticed I said right now! God knows our hearts and there is no secret hid from Him so I will say that I would still like to be blessed and rewarded to have children, but as painful as it is, it doesn't have to be right now! - with God's help, I will wait until God says so. I have considered foster parenting in the past, but not so recently. When I worked at the children's home, I started working there with the desire to minister to young girls verbally and through example - thanks for the reminder.


Posted by: Christian Commando

pray4Godtoblessmewithababygirl-

Good, Amen to that. In the world we live in today, its too easy in our advanced civilized system, to just put off the things of God which are right, for the few that started an ungodly trend.

People find, as they get involved with those ungodly trends, they end up paying consequences not saught or considered. The fleeting love of enjoying momentary personal lusts or fulfilment, rarely have acceptable outcomes for people.

Normally, you'll find, these people are seeking something to "complete" thier life's enjoyment or happiness thru such temporary means, only to find themselves bound into a situation they are now forced to deal with, but never intended, as a result of that moment of sin.

I pray this helps-

God Bless!!


Posted by: pray4God2blessmewithababygirl

Christian Commando -

Yes, your post did help. Thanks very much for those words, I appreciate it.

"People find, as they get involved with those ungodly trends, they end up paying consequences not saught or considered." - This is something that I always considered. I never liked the fact that I could "end up paying consequences not saught or considered" with having a baby out of wedlock. I always wanted having a child to be a blessing that I could enjoy and have no regrets about.

"Normally, you'll find, these people are seeking something to "complete" thier life's enjoyment or happiness thru such temporary means, only to find themselves bound into a situation they are now forced to deal with, but never intended, as a result of that moment of sin." - I understand this statement very well. There was a time in my life, that I wanted to have a baby so that I could feel "complete", even though I always felt bad about that, because it is God who should bring us total "completeness." I went through that thing of wanting a baby, just because I wanted someone (an innocent baby) to give my love to - I knew my love would not be rejected (by an innocent baby) and I also wanted someone (an innocent baby) to totally love me back with no conditions to their love. I haven't quite figured out how this void came, being that I grew up in a two parent household and lacked for nothing. I went through this thing of self-hatred though, maybe that's how it started. Eventually though, I just started wanting a child because I felt my biological clock (getting too old) was ticking. My sister and brother have given my parents grandchildren, though out of wedlock and I want to be able to give my parents grandchildren as well. I always started wanting to feel that "completeness" as a woman. I felt that I would feel "complete" as a woman, after giving birth. So, I totally understand that need to feel "complete," but I also understand that it is possible to open up a door to regrets and unthought of consequences and problems and that it something I do not want. Thanks!


Posted by: Christian Commando

pray4Godtoblessmewithababygirl-

I was raised by both parents as well and suffered with strong rejection from one of them. Yes, I wanted to commit suicide as a teen, but God turned things around and kept me from that.

I came to realize He really did love me thru Mercy- (unmerited favor), thus, as I grew older and believed in and shared of Him more to others, He kept changing my life for the better with every step He took me thru.

I've also been told by some women they wanted to have babies, as they believed babies only give out unconditioal love. hehe, not true. Mother's tell me later, its not unconditional love when caght up in the babies schedule of wake ups, feedings, changings etc.

But, they can't seem to grasp, that a baby is work too, but that the love they really seek, is the love only God can give them for conditions people put on it.

I also wanted to be married all my life and bear grandchildren for my folks. But, after all the years of ministry God did thru me as a single person, He showed me, that could not have happened as it had, if I'd gotten married.

Now, it doesn't matter if I get married, as I'm finally satisfied being single, yet God has Blessed me with a wonderful woman as a possible future partner.

I know you have that biological time clock going inside you, but, if you would leave your interests or concerns at Christ's Feet and concentrate on your personal relationship, God will Bless you with your personal desires, by putting Him first.

What you have believed would make you complete in a physical sense, is actually a need of fulfillment at a spiritual level, with God, that most people mistakenly search for earthly physical ways to recieve it.

I pray this helps-

God Bless!!


Posted by: pray4God2blessmewithababygirl

Christian Commando -

Thanks. I am so glad that God turned things around for you in your life. Praise God for that!!! Look what the Lord has done - He has raised you up as a mighty man of God/a mighty man of Valor. I know that I am just one of the countless men and women that have been touched by God's ministry through you, so thank you and thank God!

I always appreciate the truth - even if it is painful, I appreciate it, so I thank you for your honesty and I thank you for allowing The Holy Spirit to guide you as to what to say and how to say it. Everything that The Holy Spirit says through you is received into my spirit/soul.

"I've also been told by some women they wanted to have babies, as they believed babies only give out unconditioal love. hehe, not true. Mother's tell me later, its not unconditional love when caght up in the babies schedule of wake ups, feedings, changings etc. ...But, they can't seem to grasp, that a baby is work too..." - (Sighs) Sometimes I get this vision of myself, alone with a baby feeling overwhelmed, tired and drained and thinking to myself, God what was I thinking...but then, I feel that those cute things the baby will do, those fun times and just the thought of having a baby will cancel out the overwhelming times...? I don't know, maybe I'm fooling myself and I am in denial and perhaps I can't see the total picture, although I would like to think that I have thought this out carefully and I have this well - planned. The mind will do that to you, when you want something so badly. Anyway, that's neither here nor there, as each and everyday I try to focus my mind elsewhere - "On those things which are above and not beneath" and on "Seeking first the kingdom of God and His righteousness..."

"He showed me, that could not have happened as it had, if I'd gotten married." - I understand this fully. Overall, I have never really wanted to get married, but I have always wanted children. I told a Sister-in-Christ, when I was 18 yrs. old, that I didn't want to be married, but that I wanted children. She asked me how did I think God was going to work that out? Well, I never gave much thought to it until I hit 30 and I got what the world would call the "Baby Blues." When I think about why I never wanted to marry, it's because 1)I use to have low self-esteem/self-hatred/didn't love myself and I thought no one would want to marry me, 2)because of my personality, I like a lot of alone time, and 3) sometimes I am talkative and at other times I am quiet. Sometimes I try to envision being married, it seems like something that can be good, but the vision doesn't last long - I tell God that I just need my children and me and my children will be fine, although I think it is unfair to bring children into the world without their father being in their life. (shrugs shoulders)

"Now, it doesn't matter if I get married, as I'm finally satisfied being single, yet God has Blessed me with a wonderful woman as a possible future partner." - I'm glad that like Paul, you have learned to be content in whatever state you are in, but if you truely have a desire to get married, then I pray that this "wonderful woman" is the one for you.

"I know you have that biological time clock going inside you, but, if you would leave your interests or concerns at Christ's Feet and concentrate on your personal relationship, God will Bless you with your personal desires, by putting Him first. What you have believed would make you complete in a physical sense, is actually a need of fulfillment at a spiritual level, with God, that most people mistakenly search for earthly physical ways to recieve it." - All I say is amen, because all of this is true (shrugs shoulders) but it makes me want to go back and re-read all of the stories of the women in the Bible who wanted children so desperately...did they need fulfillment at the spiritual level? Why did they want children so badly???

***Yes, your post did help, thanks!!!***