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Messianic Jews

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Posted by: eagle4him

A friend of mine is a Messianic Jew. I don't know a lot about that. He told me they follow the Old Testament, attend Temple service on Saturday, believe in Jesus but that is all I know about them.

Jerry said in a recent post that he is Messianic. I guess there are diverse doctrines under this title.

Does anyone else know about this.


Posted by: Christian Commando

eagle4him-

According to documentations that I could find right away, Messianic Jews, do live according to the Old Test "Torah". They also believe Christ was the Messiah.

"Messianic Judaism"- is such, it includes the Jews as above, but also Gentiles who believe the same, but not necessarily follow Jewish laws of Old Test for the Sabbath on Sat. etc. Yet both do believe in Christ as the Messiah.

The word "Messianic" in this instance, refers to the belief in Christ as being the Messiah and Prophecies fulfilled about Him up to this point, with some yet to come, as according to Scripture.

There are some sects of Biblical Jews who appear not to believe identically, just as the varied beliefs in Gentile Christianity having them about particular Prophecies. Yet, in all, Christ is still the Lord and Savior, its just some believe differently about the Prophecies concerning His physical appearance(s) on earth.

I will share more if like, as I find the rest of it, if still have it. Just have to dig thru paperwork I saved hehe.

God Bless!!


Posted by: MamaCat

I don't believe Messianic Jews 'live under the Law' ... they are believers, born again and live under grace just as the Gentile believers do. Jesus is their Messiah. Just like the Apostle Paul and the others!

They DO, however, observe the Feasts of God, many of the traditions and rituals of Judiasm. They haven't stopped being Jewish. Some are called Completed Jews.

Some of the most powerful services I ever went to, apart from Jerry meetings, were in a One New Man Congregation, where Jewish and Gentile believers worshipped together as God desires! [Eph. 2:14 For he is our peace, the one who made both groups into one and who destroyed the middle wall of partition, the hostility, 2:15 when he nullified in his flesh the law of commandments in decrees. He did this to create in himself one new man out of two, thus making peace, 2:16 and to reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by which the hostility has been killed.]

Oh, to find one of those out here in Indiana!


Posted by: Christian Commando

ok, what I had stated I assumed was meant by what was literally stated, but since I don't consider myself one and have never extensively studied this aspect, here are the exact words from my documentation-

"Messianic Jews claim to practice thier faith as according to the authentic "Torah". 2- They are also claimed to be cultural observant Jews". 3- Believe Jesus Christ was the Messiah, and also consider Him thier Lord and Savior, as True Christians do for Salvation.

Thus, I leave it to the reader of suh info then, to decide what the above poits, for 1st and 2nd ones mean, as I assumed they lived both by faith but also as much according to the "Law" "Torah".

I could be wrong, thats just how I view it, but may or may not know any Messianic Jews, for the numbers who are my friends. Hehe, never needed to ask.

God Bless!!


Posted by: eagle4him

Mama Cat, good points about the law and grace. I read an article not long ago about "lost in space between the law and grace" I think most people find themselves here as well!


Posted by: Christian Commando

eagle4him-

We've seen that going on since before Christ's time, how even God's first Chosen had gone over so strictly to following the "Law" but forgetting Grace, even tho God spoke of It so many times and the purpose of the "Law" was for showing us our sin.

The "Law" was originally given to God's "First Chosen" only to help them see where sin was and how to avoid it. This reasoning still stands today, unchanged by God. Yet it has never provided a way into Heaven, being they are works, while God always spoke of the condition of a person's heart.

Yet, somehow, the later religious Leaders coming up to Christ's first time on earth appeared to teach people to lean more on following the "Law" in order to belong to God, while having drawn away from the Grace message, which includes the coming of the Messiah, of which is reason they never taught that, and so also, so many did not recognize Christ as the Messiah.

For that matter, the Pharocees also did not believe God was a Trinity, nor Christ being- "God in the Flesh". Thus, it's quite clear, Grace was not a part of the main teachings of the Sanhedren of the times.

There were also the zealous ones, who misunderstood the Torah of Prophecies, believing Christ, in His coming would overcome death by sin, took other Prophecies of His work to conquer evil, is that Jesus would be a great war leader to lead them thru major movements to overcome thier enemies.

I pray this helps-

God Bless!!


Posted by: FireHeart

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Originally Posted by MamaCat
I don't believe Messianic Jews 'live under the Law' ... they are believers, born again and live under grace just as the Gentile believers do. Jesus is their Messiah. Just like the Apostle Paul and the others!

They DO, however, observe the Feasts of God, many of the traditions and rituals of Judiasm. They haven't stopped being Jewish. Some are called Completed Jews.
I am a Messianic Jew. I follow Jewish law, but unlike the Orthodox Jews I believe Christ was the Savior.

I'm afraid I don't understand this post completely. You say that we don't "live under the law", but then you say that we follow the feasts and other things of Judaism. Why bother to observe all of that if we don't live under the law when it's all apart of it? Granted, some Messianic Jews live strictly by the Jewish laws, while others like myself are not quite as strict. But both kinds do follow the laws to a degree and believe Jesus was the savior.

I'm just curious. Perhaps I'm reading your post wrong? I'm a bit new to these boards still and trying to find my footing. please forgive me if I sound like I'm being mean, I'm truly not. I'm just trying to understand what you're saying.

I've also never heard the phrase "Completed Jew" before. What exactly does that mean?


Posted by: Christian Commando

FireHeart-

OH wow, thank you for joining us. Would you mind stating your religious title for doctrine you follow, then please share with us what that particular religious doctrine teaches for followers to believe and practice?

No, that is not mean at all. You made a good point, one I would've questioned myself if had picked up on it. I ask of you this, for myself for learning, being ignorant so much in this area. I ask your forgiveness if come across bold, mean or otherwise.

God Bless!!


Posted by: eagle4him

All good stuff! Peter and Paul had a disagreement about the very issue of law and grace, customs and religion, ways of God and the ways of man. I believe in Acts 15 the issues were settled, as far as what was to remain after the cross, what was done away with at the cross and what was unchanged by the cross! (It all really is about the cross!)

The Gentile converts were not required to be circumcised or to follow any of the law except for the following:

1. Abstain from things offered to idols
2. Abstain from eating animals that were killed by being strangled
3. Abstain from drinking blood
4. Maintain sexual purity

Everything else was nailed to the cross or remained unchanged. This way Jews and Gentiles could all become "converts" to Christianity!

Jesus left us only two commandments: 1, love God above all things, with your whole heart and 2, love your neighbor as yourself.

Everything else is law or religion. But by following these two commandments, you will naturally follow all the laws of God for they are all encompassed in this love for God and love for your fellow man.

The love for God is the upright on the cross. The love for neighbor is the parallel beam of the cross!

God bless!


Posted by: Christian Commando

As far as what beliefs are to be followed of God, 2 thingd God made clear, 1- Whatever beliefs each person wants to follow as shown of God, Old or New Covenant, we are not to judge, 2- but be loving in accepting thier beliefs and going along with them in thier presence, as none of them are wrong in God's eyes, yet each has the right of which to believe and hold to, as for practices.

God Bless!!