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Divorce--Biblical? Or not?

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Posted by: eagle4him

Ok warriors. Is it Biblical for divorce, or not? I have to write about things I am going through, as that is what the Lord impresses on me the most. First of all there's the swearing: do not swear, do not make oaths? what about affirming not to perjure ones self before the court?

How about the court anyway? How is it that God marries the two people outside of the court, then the court decides to undo what God did in the first place? What about separation of the church and state?

1 Cor says that a woman is not to leave her husband and a man is not to divorce his wife.

Matthew 19:6 What God has joined together let no man put asunder!




Posted by: Christian Commando

http://www.annointed.net/pn_vb.php?...ghlight=divorce

eagle4him-

Check out the above addy and believe you'll find your answers from God's Word about divorce.

As for the court system, remember, it was God who appointed the people to be of the protectorate system. While many only associate this with carrying weapons (sword), it is not, as seen back in the Old Test. where God set up a judgemental system for His Chosen to help take care of offenses etc.

But, as seen in the New Test, God would prefer we try to settle differences thru our Church. As God declares of the law system now- Dare ye go, one against another to the law, before the unjust? Cannot even the meekest in the Church work it out for you.

Yet God also shows where we are to show due benevolence to man's laws, where they coincide with Him- (God).

Courts have taken over the deciding factors of marriage, since man has turned to leaning more towards them than God thru the "Body". Its just that simple.

God Bless!!


Posted by: Christian Commando

I would like to add one other point here tho too. As with your I Cor. Scripture, God does allow some pertinent reasons for applicable divorce. Yet, it is God's wish divorce not happen, but problems worked out, as He highly esteems marriage for man.

Sencondly- In the Matt. reference, Christ shows us not to let what God brings together, be broken apart. Yet, how many marriages are truely condoned by God in the secular world?

question that? Answer this then- How many marriages are truely lead of God to happen, when so many just get married in a fleeting moment of thier heads in the clouds, drunk, high on drugs, sexual reasons, etc. Can we honestly say God brought that couple together, particularly when so many end up in divorce within a few years or less of wedding date?

Or knowing at this point, recent statistics shows divorces happen at a faster rate than marriages now?

We should think more about this, as just because God had instituted and sanctioned marriage for man, does not mean all marriages are of or condoned by God. Remember, satan used God's own Word in a twisted way against Eve, then again against Christ during His temptation.

Satan is the great imitator of God. Thus, I suggest, many times when marriages happen for all the wrong reasons, its not God bringing them about, but satan, which will inevitably fall apart later, in order to bring down the sactity and importance of God's Gift and celebration for man as such.

Thru a Christian Marriage Counciling System I'd been connected with in past ministry years, I was blown away by some of the couples testimonies of marriage healing and restorations, even after around 10-15 years of divorce, to see and watch tremendously strengthened, revitalized and happyiness in thier marriage, oneness and relationships with God.

But, those were "God ordained" marriages. That is what got me wondering about this and considering slightly different about all marriages being God ordained or condoned. I personally am not so sure when look back at all that evidence seen, per mariage situation.

God Bless!!


Posted by: eagle4him

Thanks, CC. I don't know, either. Only God Himself knows for sure. This I do know: I am standing on His holy word, believing for a turnaround miracle, but making the necessary preparations anyway. Is this double-mindendness?

I mean, the court could tell me to be out of the house in 24-48 hours. Without any preparation that will be extremely difficult.

However the word of God says to speak to your mountains and they shall be removed?


What's a brother to do?


Posted by: BrendaMagana

Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle4him
Thanks, CC. I don't know, either. Only God Himself knows for sure. This I do know: I am standing on His holy word, believing for a turnaround miracle, but making the necessary preparations anyway. Is this double-mindendness?

I mean, the court could tell me to be out of the house in 24-48 hours. Without any preparation that will be extremely difficult.

However the word of God says to speak to your mountains and they shall be removed? What's a brother to do?


Isaiah 41: 13-14

For I the LORD thy God will hold thy right hand, saying unto thee, Fear not; I will help thee. Fear not, thou worm Jacob, and ye men of Israel; I will help thee, saith the LORD, and thy redeemer, the Holy One of Israel.

Psalm 112:17
He shall not be afraid of evil tidings: his heart is fixed, trusting in the LORD.


So be it in the Name of Jesus who is forever Lord and Saviour of mankind.


Posted by: Christian Commando

eagle4im-

No, my suggestion is do prepare yourself. As in the story of the 10 virgins, what happened to the 5 who did not prepare for what was to come?

God shows thru out His Word, how He will take man always, thru steps to reach a goal God has set for them. Thru those steps, its a process of preparation He takes them thru, to be ready and prepared for the next level etc. He plans to take them thru.

Thus, preparation is not to say you don't trust in the Lord, but to have what God may use thru you for the situation. As our ways are ot those of God's, therefore we know not how He will work us thru things.

God Bless!!


Posted by: eagle4him

cc--
thanks. i was beginning to doubt myself.


Posted by: Rachel R

Oh, dear friend eagle, I don't think such pain and suffering could ever be God's will.

The agony of tearing a marriage in half leaves raw wounds across lives.

Marriage is a contract and an agreement.

When people agree to marry, they enter into the possiblility of joy and take the extreme risk of deep sorrow.

I believe that any man and any woman filled with the Holy Spirit of God can live in glorious peace and fulfillment.

I don't think their are 'good' marriages and 'bad' marriages.

It is just limited by the free will of each partner.

It is important to be in a state of complete giving.

To disregard whether your needs are being met, and keeping score on that, and coming to a place where you focus on making sure that your partner has all they need and that their hopes and dreams are fulfilled creates a supernatural atmosphere of power and glory.

It isn't often attained.

God is the source.

Nothing that the other partner can do can bring happiness.

Giving to the partner is the source of happiness.

What a glory to find the basis of all joy, which is investing in the satisfaction of others!

I think that is God's dream for marriage.

Rachel R




Posted by: Christian Commando

Trials and temptations God allows satan to put us thru, are a way for God to help us grow closer to Him and stronger in our relationship with Him. When it comes to marriage, why then did God allow a married evangelistic couple and family, to see the children and husband killed by the villagers of a remote area, after having earned thier confidence and was learning about and starting to accept God from the couple?

We know not God's ways, yet some couples it seems need to be seperated for a time with problems God will help them work thru, to come back fully solidified in God later.

God Bless!!


Posted by: Chimbamu

Divorce is not good, and people should not be encouraged to
divorce, they should be encouraged to make their marriages
work. I did not divorce my husband, but i left him to make it
on his own, this i should not have done, I should have stuck
by him and our kids. It is sad what goes on in families especially
women, they get easily bored and so become quarellsome when
the husband goes out often, instead of focusing on the cleaning,
looking after the house, shopping and caring for the kids. That's
what i should have done and possibly my husband would still be
here, maybe i don't know. I think also when married people are
quarreling they should be encouraged to work together as a family,
have family outings, being bored together, watching tv together,
church activities and things like that and even allowing each
other to go out with trusted friends every so often.

but i think as a woman, the home is the most important place on
the agenda, dinner, cleaning, scrubbing and taking care of the kids
and getting tired at the end of every day is the best thing to keep
busy with plenty of music, and hoping the husband will come home
and appreciate and not go out looking.

swearing is absolutely wrong......i never learned to swear and its hard
listening to everybody cussing
and i have actually done it myself finally
when i felt really fed up, forgive me Lord
and i think it is hurtful, forgive me Lord......


Posted by: eagle4him

Wow. That is such a refreshing testimony. Lately all I have heard are things like, "Well, not every marriage is made in heaven!" I can't find this scripture in the Bible.

"God forgives those that divorce!"

What about "You made a covenant with God and your spouse! The only way out is by death!" "Stop crying to the world about your problems and start asking the Lord to change you!" (this is for me, also!)

"Forgive your spouse for his / her shortcomings! Have you looked in the spiritual mirror lately?"

Father forgive me this day my sins, and forgive those that sin against me as well.


Posted by: Christian Commando

Very good Chimbamu-

That is Truth. Yet, sometimes, when God sees couples are dealing with a stumbling block and seek divorce on thier own, God can work miracles in restoring them later, after having time to work on each one seperately.

Sometimes challenges in marriage from satan seem too great to overcome. Thats because we are thinking of our own ways to deal with things, not seeking God to help with them.

No, God only does condone divorce under particular situations, yet, He will work with a couple who have divorced for other reasons but still love each other. After working on them seperately for His timing, He will bring them back as a couple, even stronger, more loving, joyful with changed attitudes and more.

If more men and women both, stuck to God guided thinking and operating in thier marriages, they would last longer and love for each other, thier family and God, all would flourish and grow more. The Holy Spirit would more clearly be evident working in thier lives, marriage and relationships.

God Bless!!


Posted by: eagle4him

What Does The Bible Say About Divorce and Remarriage?


The Bible is explicit about divorce and remarriage. In the Old Testament, Moses permitted a man to obtain a divorce on just about any grounds.
"If a man marries a woman who becomes displeasing to him because he finds something indecent about her, and he writes her a certificate of divorce, gives it to her and sends her from his house, and if after she leaves his house she becomes the wife of another man, and her second husband dislikes her and writes her a certificate of divorce, gives it to her and sends her from his house, or if he dies, then her first husband, who divorced her, is not allowed to marry her again after she has been defiled. That would be detestable in the eyes of the Lord. Do not bring sin upon the land the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance" (Deuteronomy 24:1-4).

Later on, in the New Testament, when Jesus was asked about divorce, He replied that Moses gave permission to divorce because of the hardness of their hearts. He said that in the beginning it was not this way. Jesus continued:
"Haven't you read that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,' and said, "For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh?" So they are no longer two but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate" (Matthew 19:4-6).


Before God, marriage is a lifetime relationship that should never be severed by human action. In the book of Malachi, God says that He hates divorce" (Malachi 2:16). God's perfect will is the preservation of society and future generations by the preservation of marriages. God will give anyone great help in sustaining a marriage relationship or in the reconciliation of estranged marriage partners. In extreme cases, there are only two grounds for divorce and remarriage.

When adultery has take place, a divorce can be obtained, because adultery has already severed the marriage relationship and divorce is a formal acknowledgment of what has already taken place.

The apostle Paul added to the teachings of Jesus what is called the "Pauline privilege." According to this concept, Paul taught that if an unbelieving spouse leaves a believer, the believer is not bound to the marriage relationship, but is free to remarry" (1 Corinthians 7:15). And some people recognize such a thing as a "constructive desertion," which would be when a husband so brutalizes his wife that it is impossible to live with him any longer; or when a wife has so harassed, or brutalized her husband that it becomes impossible for him to stay with her. When that happens, whether or not the person actually moves out, the situation is the equivalent of desertion, and divorce and remarriage are permissible.

Except for these reasons, there is no justification given in the Bible for divorce. No grounds exist for divorce on the basis of incompatibility, lack of love, or differing career goals. Frankly, it seems impossible that two born-again Christians who are dedicated to serving Jesus Christ can find any grounds for divorce.

Obviously, when a person who does not have biblical grounds for divorce remarries, he or she is technically committing adultery.

What Should I Say To Two Believers Who Divorced, Remarried, And Are Now Aware Of What The Bible Says About Divorce?

Divorce is rampant in the United States, and it is rampant among Christians and non-Christians alike. There are some instances where people have married not once or twice, but three, four, five, or six times. They have had a succession of mates, a succession of children, and a succession of problems.

God is on the side of people. He loves people, and He understands what has happened in such situations. But it is impossible for me to say that this conduct is all right. A minister of God must teach what is in the Bible; yet the teaching must be tempered with the biblical understanding of God's love. It is very difficult to make hard and fast rules.

Does one, for example, tell a three-times-divorced man to go back to his previous mate? What if the previous mate is now remarried? Is it right to ask the remarried couple to make a second divorce and break up a second home? The basic rule is that divorce and remarriage are not permitted, except for adultery or desertion, and that is the rule the church should stick to. Young people should be made aware that marriage is for life - for keeps - and not something to be entered into and then gotten out of whenever one feels like it.

However, given the appalling state of marriage in the modern world, I feel that the church should use its power of "binding and loosing" (see Matthew 16:19) to provide guidance in the way of forgiveness to divorced and remarried couples who have received Jesus Christ after their divorce. In other words, the church should (and I personally would) say that what happened in your past life is covered by the blood of Christ. Enjoy your present marriage and live in it to the glory of God without recrimination. However, for Christians who have divorced (after being born again) for reasons other than adultery or desertion, I believe they should either be reconciled to their Christian mates or remain unmarried.

Finally, in these complex personal matters I recommend prayer, study of the Bible, and that you counsel with a wise and godly pastor in you own community.

Is Cruelty Grounds for Divorce?

It depends. I do not think mental cruelty is grounds for divorce if mental cruelty concerns the way a mate twists the toothpaste tube or hangs stockings in the bathroom. That type of mental cruelty has been defined in so many different contexts it has no meaning.

However, I do think physical brutality and abuse, and mental abuse of a nature that endangers the person's mind or body, are clearly grounds for divorce. The Pauline privilege, which I mentioned earlier, (1 Corinthians 7:15) permits divorce on the grounds of desertion by an unbelieving spouse. For mental cruelty to be grounds for divorce, it must involve conduct which makes it impossible to live with the spouse without endangering oneself.

The sort of cruelty I have in mind would not spring from a criticism of a souffle or a brother-in-law. Minor irritations need loving attention, but should not be allowed to rupture a holy relationship.

Obviously, a couple composed of two born-again Christians does not fall under the Pauline privilege. Divorce and remarriage for any reason are truly unthinkable for two people who sincerely love God and are trying to serve Him. Scripture references are taken form the New American Standard translation of the Bible.


Posted by: Christian Commando

eagle4him-

For a good part of what you shared, I'm in agreement with you. To add on to what you shared, God, in Scriptures allowing for divorce, leave to the spouce who has watched thier mate go after partner's outside thier marriage- (adultry).

But, God allows this, under the declaration the partner who's witnessed this is unable to forgive and put behind what thier adulterous partner has done. This does not allow for frivilous reasonings to divorce, but for pertinant ones.

Thus, its not so much in reality, that divorce is unthinkable for a True Christian Couple, but that actions that lead to divorce as such should actually be what is unthinkable to do.

If more of God's Children who are married, followed God's Word closer for thier positions, responcibilities and guidelines given for being the partner they are supposed to be to thier spouce before God, divorce would never be considered, as the "root" problems leading to divorce, would be worked out properly as according to God, avoiding such results.

Remember, divorce is but an end result, its not the problem, but a result of whats viewed to be unresolvable problems. But, thats man's definition not God's. For, all things are possible in God.

God Bless!!


Posted by: JeriRose12

Yea, the TRUTH about divorce!!! For Christians there is no "no fault" divorce!!!

JeriRose


Posted by: JeriRose12

I am thinking about the passage in 1 Corninthians 7 that says it's better to be single. . .much to do for the Lord. Marriage is a distraction. For those newly divorced, they should not be looking for a mate. The Bible doesn't give a lot of grounds for remarriage, anyway. So it's better to be obedient to what the Word says and stay single, if you are not Biblically released from your first marriage. It is never about "What do I want?" but about "What does God want?" Though most people don't see it this way. I suggest that a divorced person dedicate themself to seeking God (remember Anna, whose husband died, and she went to the temple and sougth The Lord night and day with prayers and fastings?). I believe they need to just fall so in love with God and not be trying to find a new person to love. It saddens me that so many Christians leave one marriage for a non-Biblical reason and think it's OK to remarry when they find someone new they claim to love. I do not say this as being hard on people. I say this as this is what scripture teaches. And as God's people, we should be doing what GOD wants!!! He says if you leave that mate for non scritural reasons, you only have two choices: remarry the same person or stay single. People just want what they want, though. . . .

~Jerena~


Posted by: Christian Commando

Hey Sis-

As God has shown me from years of Counciling people, if each were to look at themselves, read in God's Word what thier part in the Body of Christ is and for living for God and in relationships, it would not be that "marriage" in itself is a distraction, but the influences we allow to keep us from being the children God wants of us.

Read Scripture closely to see how God relates our relationship with Him and Jesus, to our marriages. God uses how our relationship with Him, is to be the guidline for living in marriage.

For the most part, the same problems seen in a marriage can also be related to similar problems a person sees in thier relationship with God.

In this day and age for man of luxury, so many forms of entertainment and enjoyment in life, there also as many evil distractions to equal the good forms. Thus, people are much easier distracted from what God has Blessed them with, to believe something or someone else is better.

There are way too many spouces of either gender, not satisfied with who God Blessed them with. Or, they jumped the marriage gun too quick with heads in the clouds and are now unhappy when real life comes to bear on thier "first lost senses" to bring them into reality once again.

this is why its understandable that God lead Paul by the Holy Spirit to say its better to stay single. For as how the marriage institution is so abused these days for the divorce rate now being higher than marriage rate, if I were God I'd tell my creation that too.

While God originally planned for men and women to be married, now He tells us its better to stay single for how abused God's ordained Blessing for us is abused. And partners thru marriage.

So yes, you are right on with this.

God Bless!!


Posted by: JeriRose12

The Bible does say we are a new creation in Christ and old things are passed away, once we are saved. So, if you were divorced before becoming a Christian, and there is no chance of reconciling with that mate....then, in that case, marriage to a new person would be okay. The Bible does say a minister is to be the husband of one wife. So, it seems like marriage is encouraged for those in ministry. My pastor said it's for safety reasons or protection (a pastor or minister meets so many women, so it's better they have a wife). Personally, I think a single man could be a pastor or minister, but that goes along with the scripture for those who are able to bear it (called eunechs [spell?] then).

I found an obscure scripture that said, "Let him who is married act as though he isn't." (My paraphrase). So, I am thinking that those who travel and minister and leave wives behind (or husbands) may be OK in God's eyes. It does say somewhere that it was OK for Peter to travel with his wife and for others to travel without their wives. The important part seemed to be putting God, FIRST, above all. In other words, don't let marriage be that kind of distraction. Do the work God has called you to do.

The thing that hits me about all this divorce is that the Bible says God is coming for a church without spot or wrinkle, and in that passage he is interchanging BRIDE with church. If he wants a pure and spotless bride, the spirit of divorce has GOT to be thrown down!!!

~JeriRose~


Posted by: Rmartel

Moses allowed or decreed you to Divorce because of the hardness of your heart. So we can see Jesus was very forgiving and loving.
I agree with Christian Commando that not all marriages are encouraged from God.
Possibly that is why Pastors encourage couple to go thru a marriage prep course first to see if they are ready. doesn't this make sense?
Now in the Old Testament there were some extenuating circumstancs as well.
If we look where God sent husbands and wifes away because they most likely worshiped different gods other then him. And these people were most likely weeping. Solomon was warned not to deal with eygpt and ends up taking the Pharoahs daughter. First buying a chariot then so forth.
Hosea was told to take a Harlot for his wife ; but isn,t the message more important in these cases ?
Hosea took that wife to show Jesus doing the same for an unfaithful bride.
And as a result of Solomon's actions the kingdom was rent from Solomon save for two tribes. And this man had more wisdom then any; but allowed the gods of these wifes to come in.
I believe God honors our choices even though it may lead to hardship
and in other cases the unbeleiver may be saved as well.
Not to say I know the answer to this one but Jesus said to the woman at the well something to the effect the man you're with is not your husband . So my question to you was who was she with?
I see a marriage and even friendship like a bird that is in your hand .
If it chooses to fly away you cannot stop it . If it comes back on its own then it loves you.
I believe the one involved along with God need to decide whether a marriage will work afterall they are in it not me.
I believe marriage as well as your personal relationship should be filled with the fruits of the Spirit. But we know we all have stoppers for this.
However the ones who seek and ask and knock appear to be getting more.
I feel a lot of men abused there power in the family and as a result of this lost the role as a husband even going back to the Old testament.
I think Jesus in a marriage would show much Love and lead by Love as well
that the woman would love to be in that relationship.
I do also believe that his word in entirety would be most important in all cases.
much like the church has lost its power to look after the needs of the church and the government has took that over . The marriage has suffer as well.
Now my thoughts on the government that in some case replaced the Kings and Queens are found quite clearly in what God told Samuel when Isreal wanted a king "look what Evil you have done because you desire a King..
Now does God say call Evil Good?????
God told now we would have to give the best of our virgins wine crops,etc.
Was this evil replaced by a taxation system?
It seems that money is involved in Divorce and even seeing your own children with the complicated paper work and Lawyers involved.
And yes we are told to obey the laws of the Land true.
But Peter was told not to preach the Gospel in Jerusalem.
And he said should a man obey God or man , rather i would obey God.
So my point is common sense should prevail and hopefully the leading of the Holy Spirit.
King Herod and his brothers wife who Herod took for his wife was Questioned by John the Baptist and we know what happened to him.
OOPs
I believe if we take a vow we should keep it but hopefully first we include God in this decision making.
I believe God is in our marriages as much as both of us let him.
I speak what i believe to be right but I am continually growing so find myself being correct by God quite often
Rmartel


Posted by: Christian Commando

Rmartel-

Very interesting and informative post. As for Jesus meeting the woman at the well, you can see where in Jhn. 2:16-16, He answers what you asked about.

Jesus shows two points here. He tells her to go get her husband, as knew beforehand, she'd been married 5 times. But told her in order to note 1- if she would be honest about what she was doing 2- to show how pagans live in sin.

V 18- "For thou hast had 5 husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truely."

You see, she was living unmarried with a man at the time she met Jesus at the well. Yet, she was plainly honest about it.

Isuggest this is a lesson about how pagans live without much for morals to sin as this woman was, and not being ashamed in openly admitting it.

Now, as for the asking for more from the people for evil done in wanting a king. No, this was not God calling evil good. In fact, He burdened the people with needing to offer more over and above what was originally set by God for the trangressions- (evil).

You see, after Moses lead the First Chosen out of Egypt and to the border of the Promised Land, then God lead them into Canaan and established His people there, they were given Prophets to lead them. After so long, they began rebelling.

God sent them Joshua to warn them of thier coming judgement if didn't listen. They didn't anyway. So, God appointed a series of Judges over His First Chosen. They finally settled back for a time thru this chastisement, but then rebelled to an extent again, claiming a want for a "real Leader", such as a King over them. (as in reverting back to an Egyptian way of rule- Pharoah the King)

Note: You'll find if pay close attention to the first Chosen thru the Exodus, into the Promised Land and on, the Jews had been captive under Egypt long enough, they held on to some of Egytian traditions, as well as tried to revert back to some that were against God.

If were to look at Egyptian operations and lifestyle of that time, you'd find they held to all kinds of celebrations, festivals, holidays, etc. And you'll see then, in Leviticus, where God seen how His people were wanting to stick to such things,so God set up His own system for His people to follow such traditions, but in relation to God, not false gods, etc.

Remember when Moses had went up on that mountain to be with God for a time and the Jews couldn't wait after so long and convinced Aaron to make them that golden calf? Remember the celebrating going on? That was all a part of an Egyptian festival that went on for the worship of a false god of Egypt. They reverted back to that. And similar things happened later on as well in such a manner.

This wanting a King situation was one of them. But, instead of a pagan King, He appointed them a true Godly King.

Forgive me. I'm so used to Teaching and Preaching so many years by lessons, I can get carried away in a disussion. I don't mean to, but I look up and sure enough, did it again. Let me know if is too much ok?

God Bless!!

God answered thier cries for this, but at a price, chastisement of greater payment to the governing system as it were for thier rebellious thoughts and actions.


Posted by: Rmartel

Yes valid points Christian Commando. As the Lord says in his word"Come reason with me for my thoughts are higher then yours. "If this be true then when God tells me somethign he tells me point by point and I truly need his patience as they are thoughts connected together sometimes over years ;so when you do the same well it is like a lawyer presenting his case .Did not the like of Peter Paul and Stephen do the same; when they were talking about Christ that was Crucified, Job said "Oh that we would have a mediator between us and God" Jesus is the great I am and of couse mediator Lawyer ; teacher.So in order for others to get a true foundation in Jesus and his character we need to take it step by step and relate to others how we believe God has taught us meanwhile willing to balance that with correction coming our way as well. Better to truly make valid points then to say something is not rightwithout evidence to go with it. So rightly so you quote
the word. I would find that your testimony is very important as well;if I may submit because this is how they overcame the Dragon(REV) by the blood of the Lamb and the word of their testimony and loved not their lifes even unto death. My personal point is I love to hear testimony of others
as well NOT TO NEGATE WHAT I SAID ABOVE; for we also need a foundation as well.
Rmartel


Posted by: Rmartel

It makes for interesting reading to learn the mind of God. I will get to the point when God was appointing a King ;first Saul what samuel said about Saul. See there is none like him. I pondered that and thought yah well there is none like me either and? Meaning not to say anything good or Bad . That Saul is Saul but when we see what was said about David as the Sons of Jesse walk by Samuel the Prophet.

1Sa 16:7 But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for theLORDseeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart.
I think the prophet was being taught as well.

I have heard it said take your eyes off the circumstances and put the on the Lord Jesus for the
heart of the problem and the solution that we may hear
from him.
Rmartel




Posted by: Christian Commando

Yes, inredible insights you share my friend. I am Blessed to have the chance to exchange insights with you, as I am learning as well and thank God for such as you for god to help me grow as well.

Thats right about Saul, but in relation to everyone from that respect. Neat observation Rmartel. Again, very good message with your last sharing. The circumstances are but the results, not the original root or cause of the situation, etc.

Keep it up my friend.

God bless!!