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Children being taught to kill

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Posted by: Jerry

[updated:LAST EDITED ON May-09-02 AT 04:57 PM (PST)]Below you will find a link about children being taught to hate.
It breaks my heart.
What do you think.


http://anointed.net/video/child%20h...mthecradle.html



Posted by: sonofabusdriver

that is really sad. I cant believe that there are people out there that actually teach their children to kill and hate other people. that is so evil


Posted by: JG

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that is really sad. I cant believe that there are people out there that actually teach their children to kill and hate other people. that is so evil

I want to thank you for finding this page I wish everyone would watch this. It would give them a new look at the muslim religion. Because you found it and watched It I am giving you 1000 points.


Posted by: sanctified

Father, these are children that have been taught to hate. You didn't teach them to hate, man did. Lord, You said, "Suffer the children to come to Me." Lord, help us to lead them to You. Help us to love them, though they hate. They are so small Lord, to be learning to hate so young. Send Your Holy Spirit to them, let them know what REAL love is. You are love, Lord. Let them feel Your presence, Father. Let them know that there is only one true God, and it's not Allah.


Posted by: JG

Thank You for finding this also 1000 points


Posted by: Frederik

THE ISLAM IS BAD !!!!!

It's the biggest danger in the world and the biggest challenge for christianity.People have to realize that the nice muslim neighbor from next door, who has always been so kind, might kill them without hesitating when he's told to. But we also mustn't condemn all muslims cause not everybody is as cuckoo as the guys from Al Quaida even though every real muslim has to kill when he's told to cause otherwise he cannot go to paradise and have fun with 72 (or more ?) virgins.
I tell you, I wouldn't even wanna touch one of these virgins, they are really hot ! Too hot for me.









Posted by: Ragamuffin

Jerry, that makes me so sad, but you know what makes me even sadder? It's happening right here in our own backyards. My son overheard a child sneeze in his class, and a fellow classmate say "God Bless You." The teacher was very upset and said "There will be no religion in my classroom," and offered the child a referral to the principal should he speak out again like that. The next morning during homeroom, my son was speaking with the child that said "God Bless You," and told his classmate that he didn't agree with the way the teacher reacted, and we should be allowed to say something when someone sneezes. My child was then reprimanded for speaking against the teacher (not an inappropriate time, inappropriate behavior for speaking against the teacher) and also offered a referral to the principal. I called the guidance counselor for the 7th grade and she tried to convince me that perhaps my child remembered incorrectly and that the teacher he is referring to is a good teacher, although a bit old fashioned. Well, old fashioned is good in my book, it's everything else. Bottom line, my son must follow classroom rules, but should he ever hear a child sneeze and feel compelled to say "God Bless You" and get sent to the principal - I'll join him there, he'll not be catching any grief from me.
My point is, it is blatant in the country we see on the video - in this country is is being taught with subtlety. I grieve for both countries, I truly do.


Posted by: KMAC

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Originally Posted by sanctified
Father, these are children that have been taught to hate. You didn't teach them to hate, man did. Lord, You said, "Suffer the children to come to Me." Lord, help us to lead them to You. Help us to love them, though they hate. They are so small Lord, to be learning to hate so young. Send Your Holy Spirit to them, let them know what REAL love is. You are love, Lord. Let them feel Your presence, Father. Let them know that there is only one true God, and it's not Allah.

Matthew18:5-6"And whoever welcomes a little child like this in my name welcomes me.But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin,it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung from around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.


Posted by: ~*Cheeky*~

Just a question.. are you all Jewish?

First this has nothing to do with religion.. this is Palestine that have seen hell.
They have suffered just like many other people in our world have, no more no less.
Islam has nothing to do with this....


Posted by: Christy Demoran

Go to the site "prophetofdoom.net" it tells what they are taught and why they hate, look for yourself! This is clearly the enemy at work! This is a christian author. The truth about Islam and the Koran!


Posted by: Duhdeen

Dear Jerry:
Thank you so much for showing this website! In light of the recent attacks in London, I found this information to be shocking and it is extremely sad to think that these little children are being taught to be so incredibly hateful! That is truly heartbreaking. I guess now i know how i need to be praying!! Thanks so much for sharing this. Many Blessings to YOU!!

Praising GOD for is immeasurable goodness and protection to us. Amen!!


Posted by: Dylith

This doesn't have anything to do with Islam. Even if there are some people who are Muslims and are teaching kids to kill it still shouldn't reflect poorly upon the entire religion.

We here in the west know enough about Christianity to be able to put radical Christianity into proper context, the same however, does not seem to be true for us and Islam.

The Lord's Resistance Army is a rebel terrorist group that fights in the name of Jesus. It has killed over 12,000 people and is made up primarily of children (roughly 70%) who have been abducted by the group. Over 60,000 children in all have been ubducted by this "Christian" terrorist group and fight in the name of Jesus and the ten commandments.

Of course we know that these guys aren't real Christians. They may claim to be, but their actions do not gel with Christian scripture. The same is true for radical Islamic groups, unfortunatly we just don't know enough to realize it.


Posted by: Christian Commando

Dylith- Forgive my intrusioon.

I can appreciate your stand that the Muslim religion is to be peaceful, not violent. The problem? It is a violence taught religion. Whether you want to admit or not, even Pastor Jerry shows, in his teaching area, a lesson that shows parts of the "Coran" that tell followers to kill.

If I had my copy handy, I'd print it word for word. I'm sorry you and others like to think the religion of Islam is a peaceful one. Certainly some groups within it are more so than others. Yet, the teachings are there, and not for defense reasons. I've read it many times and know better.


Posted by: Dylith

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Originally Posted by Christian Commando
Dylith- Forgive my intrusioon.

I can appreciate your stand that the Muslim religion is to be peaceful, not violent. The problem? It is a violence taught religion. Whether you want to admit or not, even Pastor Jerry shows, in his teaching area, a lesson that shows parts of the "Coran" that tell followers to kill.

If I had my copy handy, I'd print it word for word. I'm sorry you and others like to think the religion of Islam is a peaceful one. Certainly some groups within it are more so than others. Yet, the teachings are there, and not for defense reasons. I've read it many times and know better.
Thank you for your response. I study both Christian and Islamic theology and history. I too have read the Qur'an, the difference is that I have an understanding of Islamic history where as Jerry may not. I would welcome you to quote whatever Islamic scripture you would like. The key is understanding what is going on when the revelation is being given. Keep in mind that post Hijra scripture is much more specific when it comes to instructions than pre Hijra scripture. The Qur'an does not go in order so you have to be careful when reading it.


Posted by: Rachel R

Dear Dylith,

So you want to discuss Islam.

I am not certain why.

They are the descendants of Ishmael and they are a people of war.

Trying to sell Islam as a peaceful religion always puzzles me.

They don't have faith, salvation, freedom, prosperity, happiness or a working society.

Who cares if they are peaceful?

It just doesn't work as a cultural plan.

Ask the women and children how that male-domination thing is working for them.

Rachel R



Posted by: Dylith

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Dear Dylith,

So you want to discuss Islam.

I am not certain why.

Because we are in the Muslim/Islamic sub-forum. And I think it is important that people uderstand Islam instead of simply putting a label to it. I am sure you would want others to do the same for Christianity before they judged it.



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they are a people of war.


Care to explain why you think this in a little more detail?





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Who cares if they are peaceful?

We should.

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Ask the women and children how that male-domination thing is working for them


re-read my other post before you make such claims again. Cultural suppresion =! Religios fault.


Posted by: Christian Commando

Dylith-

It's interesting you keep bringing up Islam as such a peaceful nation. Yet, you keep rejecting the fact "Muslim" is the main and majority religion of that country.

And if question my statement that the scripture doesn't mean was it says, I suggest again to viewers of these areas, to please go and look thru Pastor Jerry's teachings and videos on Islam and the Muslim religion. You'll find the clear reference to followers being commanded to kill others opposing them.

Maybe you should realize, around the world, other nations look at each other, according to thier dominating beliefs, that control thier actions in relating to each other. When they are clearly religious in nature, they will be judged according to that "fruit" demonstrated.

Whether there are other factions in Islam or other sects of Muslim makes no difference when the one that rules the majority of it's international actions is seen by all. The fact is, the majority of actions the world has seen from Islam is thru the Muslim religion, which undeniably has promoted from cradle to grave, the killing of other people to thier followers.

I would suggest therefore, if want to change our stance or position on our Islamic view, go to your Muslim friends you defend and show them they are wrong in what they are doing.

Trying to convince us Islam is a peaceful nation when we've seen more destructive acts coming from it by religious beliefs is futile, when it should be the Muslim followers you should try to help realize the other claim of nonviolence if really is one to them, not us.

You should convince them first, to change thier world viewed actions, so that other nations will view them differently.

Thank you for your time-


Posted by: Dylith

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Originally Posted by Christian Commando
Dylith-

It's interesting you keep bringing up Islam as such a peaceful nation. Yet, you keep rejecting the fact "Muslim" is the main and majority religion of that country.


That does not mean that a mojority of the country agrees with making children into soldiers. Nor does it make it a Muslim belief, any more than it makes it a Christian belief when Christian radicals do the same thing.


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And if question my statement that the scripture doesn't mean was it says, I suggest again to viewers of these areas, to please go and look thru Pastor Jerry's teachings and videos on Islam and the Muslim religion. You'll find the clear reference to followers being commanded to kill others opposing them.

Post them here, it will be easier to discuss something if I can directly quote it. I have studied Islamic theology with many Islamic scholars, so I know a little bit about the Qur'an, don't be to quick to dismiss what I have to say.

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Maybe you should realize, around the world, other nations look at each other, according to thier dominating beliefs, that control thier actions in relating to each other. When they are clearly religious in nature, they will be judged according to that "fruit" demonstrated.

Most Muslims are peaceful though.

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Whether there are other factions in Islam or other sects of Muslim makes no difference when the one that rules the majority of it's international actions is seen by all. The fact is, the majority of actions the world has seen from Islam is thru the Muslim religion, which undeniably has promoted from cradle to grave, the killing of other people to thier followers.

this is not true. and it only seems true from out viewpoint because of what we see on the news. Honestly, Wahabists make up less than 3% of Muslims. Should I judge all of Christianity based on the most radical 3%? Of course not! I would hope that you would extend the same courtesy to Islam as you extend to your own religion.

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I would suggest therefore, if want to change our stance or position on our Islamic view, go to your Muslim friends you defend and show them they are wrong in what they are doing.

I have, I am a very vocal member of many other religious boards, but, except for one or two Muslims the rest don't agree with this violence at all.

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Trying to convince us Islam is a peaceful nation when we've seen more destructive acts coming from it by religious beliefs is futile,

So I can say that Chistianity is a religion of terror simply because we have seen acts by Christians that have killed tens of thousands? Is that fair?

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when it should be the Muslim followers you should try to help realize the other claim of nonviolence if really is one to them, not us.

They already believe that claim for the most part. You want me to convince people of things they already believe. I doubt there are a lot of radicals hanging around religious forums on here. I have encountered one or two in my tie, and have set them straight. Usually it comes down to them having a weak understanding of Islamic theology.


Thank you for your time-[/QUOTE]


Posted by: Christian Commando

Point 1- Maybe the majority don't, the problem? If true, why is it we do not see good Muslim acts being done in other countries then, rather it's the destructive ones?

Point 2- You seem to forget, a good part of the world has something against Christianity and the U.S. being the largest Christian nation in the world.

Point 3- Being for or against particular beliefs does little good, if not standing up for them with factions within your own group, religion, to change them. Sure, you've touched on a few, but we are talking alot more than that being terroristic in thier views that should be "straitened out" as you put it. Who is going to change them?

Point 4-What evidence are you claiming where Christians killed so many? After we have been attacked first? If so, I suggest more logical thinking on your part. After all, God declares He created a protectorate system of whom uses the sword-( not for buttering bread either), but for protecting God's Children and the nations.

Point 5- Another aspect that always seems to be avoided, I'll reiterate here- the Muslim religion does not believe in the same God as the Christians do. Question that? Ask yourself this-

Who does Mohamad say in the Quran and other writings Jesus Christ is- only a prophet.

What does God's Word say Jesus is- "God in the flesh"- (God's Word was with Him, in Him and was Him, made manifest in the flesh). Jesus declares- "I and My Father are one". Jesus Christ used the title over and over- "I AM", of whom was God's title way back with Moses.

But Mohamad refers to Jesus Christ as only a man, a prophet. So, why question us or try to discuss the religion of a nation that is pagan, comparing doctrinal beliefs between the two religions?

If my computer main program would allow me to use the secondary site listing in postings, I would to find the lessons of Pastor Jerry on this subject. It won't. So, thats why I mentioned for you to do it.

Knowing that the Muslim religion does not believe in the same God as Christians do, explains why there is violence taught in thier doctrine. The sin of pride brought Lucifer to fight against God and His Angels in wanting to be like God and take His Throne and Leadership position from Him.

I will do more research on other sites to find a copy of the Qursn to share that info with you.

Thank you for your time.


Posted by: Dylith

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Originally Posted by Christian Commando
Point 1- Maybe the majority don't, the problem? If true, why is it we do not see good Muslim acts being done in other countries then, rather it's the destructive ones?

There are a lot of good Muslim acts that are done. The religion itself has a welfare system for the poor built into it. Muslims are directed to be generous and helpful to others.

Al'Qur'an 93:6-11


Did He not find you an orphan, and shelter you?
Did He not find you straying, and guide you?
Did He not find you needy, and enrich you?
As for the orphan, do not oppress him,
And as for the beggar, do not drive him away,
And as for the grace of your Lord, declare it.



Al'Qur'an 51:17-19


They wood sleep but little at night,
And as dawn broke, they would seek forgiveness,
And they shared their belongings with the beggar

and the dispossessed.



Al'Qur’an 90:12-17



And what will explain to you what the steep path is?

It is the freeing of a (slave) from bondage; or the

giving of food in a day of famine to an orphan relative,

or to a needy in distress. Then will he be of those who

believe, enjoin fortitude and encourage kindness and

compassion.


There are many Muslim charity and other helpful organizations that exist, just because they don't make news doesn't mean that they aren't there.

Muslims Hands and Islamic-Aid are two charities that come to mind.


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Point 2- You seem to forget, a good part of the world has something against Christianity and the U.S. being the largest Christian nation in the world.

And the other part of the world seems to have something against Islam and Muslims.


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Point 3- Being for or against particular beliefs does little good, if not standing up for them with factions within your own group, religion, to change them. Sure, you've touched on a few, but we are talking alot more than that being terroristic in thier views that should be "straitened out" as you put it. Who is going to change them?

They must change themselves through education. I can change the young through sound debate, but the older radicals are pretty set in their ways. There has been a lot of Muslims scholars who denounce terrorism, the radicals just don't listen to them. The highest authority in Sunni Islam, and thus the highest authority in Main-stream Islam has denounced terroristic actions and suicide bombings. You are going to get radicals in any belief system. It can't be helped. There are thousands in Christianity, there are also thousands more who aren't even religious. Do you think that radicals, being radical, will listen to voices of reason? Of course not. They have their own agendas, which they try and justify via warped religious doctrine, but that doesn't mean they derived there motive from it as well. Even if we wiped out Islam there would still be anti-US Middle Eastern terrorists.


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Point 4-What evidence are you claiming where Christians killed so many? After we have been attacked first? If so, I suggest more logical thinking on your part. After all, God declares He created a protectorate system of whom uses the sword-( not for buttering bread either), but for protecting God's Children and the nations.

No, There are some very violent radical and aggressive Christians terrorist groups out there. Google The Lord's Resistance Army or the Nagaland rebels. Tens of thousands dead at the hands of these guys, but that doesn't make Christianity a religion of violence any more than Islamic radicals make Islam a religion of violence.

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Point 5- Another aspect that always seems to be avoided, I'll reiterate here- the Muslim religion does not believe in the same God as the Christians do. Question that? Ask yourself this-

Who does Mohamad say in the Quran and other writings Jesus Christ is- only a prophet.

What does God's Word say Jesus is- "God in the flesh"- (God's Word was with Him, in Him and was Him, made manifest in the flesh). Jesus declares- "I and My Father are one". Jesus Christ used the title over and over- "I AM", of whom was God's title way back with Moses.

But Mohamad refers to Jesus Christ as only a man, a prophet. So, why question us or try to discuss the religion of a nation that is pagan, comparing doctrinal beliefs between the two religions?

I neverclaimed that they did worship the same god. Why do you insist on bringing this up tiem and again?


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If my computer main program would allow me to use the secondary site listing in postings, I would to find the lessons of Pastor Jerry on this subject. It won't. So, thats why I mentioned for you to do it.

I've already seen anti-Islamic sights and teachings, I want to know why YOU belive such things. I assume you know exactly why you beleieve what it is that you believe in regards to Islam?


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Knowing that the Muslim religion does not believe in the same God as Christians do, explains why there is violence taught in thier doctrine. The sin of pride brought Lucifer to fight against God and His Angels in wanting to be like God and take His Throne and Leadership position from Him.

Post said doctrine and I will discuss it with you. You are the ones makingthe claims of violence in their doctrine so you can be the one to post examples.


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I will do more research on other sites to find a copy of the Qursn to share that info with you.

Thank you, and I will respond using the Qur'an's that I have and have been cleared by Islamic scholars as decent english translations.


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Thank you for your time.

And for yours.