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Posted by: peapod

What is this nonsense about this R.C. Bishop in the Netherlands encouraging his parishoners and others to refer to God as Allah to "foster" understanding???

I am R.C. and my God is NOT Allah. Allah is a mean, vengeful, angry, EVIL god (i.e. Satan) who would like nothing more than to see our real, true God disappear.

This gave me shivers per revelation references that all will worship the beast....


Posted by: Christian Commando

peapod-

Be not alarmed. We've seen other strange events as well, such as when the Pope went to Islam and accepted the Muslim's as Brother's and Sister's to them (RC's) in Christ.

While I suggest thier motives are God driven, the "Fruit" in such cases as "ctions", are misguided.

If you look at national statistics, you'd be astounded at the numbers of Leaders and followers at all levels and denominations, accepting many a false docrine and trying to blend them with Christianity.

It's no different than a typical misconception of Christians here, who break speed limit laws here, to please other people, thereby pleasing God.

Yet, they have been blinded of God showing we are to follow man's laws so long as coincide with God, and only go against man's laws where it goes against God (read the Book of Daniel).

The speed limit signs are up for everyone's protection, which includes warning signs of various things. Yet, most people pay no heed to that. Several years back, a woman ran over a child of a new young couple in her neighbor hood.

Warning igns were posted later on, but no one heeded them and didn't pay attention till this happened. Now, people watch and drive more cautiously in that neighborhood.

The police chief, in the Spring of 2 years ago, put an article in the paper, showing the statistical report of incredible rise in accidents in relation to his seeing the equal statistical rise in speeding tickets written, over so many of the years before that, leading up to it.

Also, in our area, there had also been a rise seen of religious Leders at various levels, getting involved in abominable practices as well, crystal gazing, astrology, use of other objects for future telling, healing etc- (witchcraft methods).

So, this is not supprising. But please keep sharing, always good to see where we can pray for more people who are being decieved.

It had also been reported on over the last decade of particular Christian Singing Artists had left Christianity to try more worldly approaches to reach more people. Carmen was asked about this and said, the "Body of Christ" must uphold these people in prayer to be brought back fully to God, as were before. I have heard one has already.

So, there is more strange things to come, be sure of that.

God Bless!!


Posted by: rainbow788

I agree peapod, when i read about this bishop and what he was saying it made me cringe. more and more signs that we are living in the end times...


Posted by: peapod

I kind of agree about speed limits signs, however those are man-made laws that we should obey, but out in the country on an open road, I don't believe it's a sin to go 65 in a 55. When there are people present and one must be observant and respectful of others' safety, then yes, it's extremely careless to speed.

For Christians to identify that Muslims are "our brothers" is absolutely absurd. The more I read and research the Islamic faith, the more I am convinced that they have been our enemies since the beginning of Ishmael's jealously for Isaac's blessings.

"Tolerance" has become such an askewed definition in our time. "Diversity" forces us to put Satan in our lives every day.

I embrace all peoples with an open heart regardless of their color or origin, but I draw the line at religious nonsense. I have the right to refuse to listen to the message of "allah" aka Satan if I want, but even now the government has fallen under the spell of the devil to persecute Christians bit by bit for their beliefs (read: prayer in public buildings and celebration of Chrsitian holidays in public areas), and it will only get worse.


Posted by: billiefan2000

Bill Keller said it best IMO about this Bishop in the Netherlands



You shall have no other gods before me." Exodus 20:3

The God of the Bible is NOT the same as "allah" of Islam!!! Today,

I need to dispel the colossal error so many, including our President, make in thinking that God, THE CREATOR, the God of the Bible,

is the same as "allah" of the false religion of Islam. Let me insure you understand something at the very start. There is only one God and that is the God of the Bible.

"Allah," is actually the imaginary god created out of the deranged mind of Mohammed when he dreamed up this false religion we know of as Islam 1400 years ago.

Allah is nothing but a poor imitation and rip-off of THE GOD and is no more real than Harry Potter is!!!

When you study the attributes of the God of the Bible and of allah, it is clear and obvious these are NOT the same person!

Sadly, a Catholic bishop in the Netherlands is asking churches in that country to use the name allah for God to "ease tensions between Muslims and Christians."

You have go to be kidding me!!! I expect this type of foolish thinking from politicians and people of the world,

but from a priest? I have a better idea for this dear bishop.


Why not tell Muslims to start using the name God for allah since God is real and allah is not!!!

Let me help educate this bishop about Islam.


Tensions will never be eased between Muslims and Christians

since they consider Christians infidels and are commanded in the book Mohammed wrote to kill all infidels!

Islam is not interested in easing tensions, it is about death to all who refuse to believe Mohammed's fantasies!

WorldNet Daily recently reported,

"An international ministry organization reaching out to Christians in Iraq is confirming the pressure from Muslims on Christians to abandon their faith or their homes is rising, with videos of actual beheadings used to threaten believers."

A San Francisco reporter was recently gunned down and murdered outside of his home for his negative stories on a Muslim bakery in that city.

The Muslim activist group with ties to terror groups CAIR, Council on American-Islamic Relations,

has been relentlessly attacking Liveprayer.

They have been doing everything they can to get us off the Internet and television

since we have the audacity to tell the truth that Islam is a false religion about hate and death and those who follow their


lies will die and go to hell unless they repent and turn to Jesus



Forty years ago, there would have been no need to even write a Devotional like this.

Not only does the need exist for me to have to address this issue today,


but it is a message that the world AND the church needs to hear.


You see my friend, there is only ONE GOD, and that is the God of the Bible.

The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. When we pray, there is only ONE GOD that we pray to, the God of the Bible.


All other gods are false gods.

Praying to a false god is as productive as praying to a tree, your refrigerator, or a toilet.

There is only ONE GOD that hears and answers our prayers,

and that is the God who Created the heavens and earth, the God who Created you and me, the God of the Bible.



It is critical that when we are talking with someone and use the name "God," we call Him the "God of the Bible."

That way, there will not be any confusion to those we are talking to, who you are talking about.


Because we are a nation where people are free to worship whatever god they want,

and with the influx in the past 100 years of people from every corner of the globe who have brought their false gods with them ,

not to mention the aggressive marketing and recruiting campaigns by every cult known to the world,

simply saying, "God," is not good enough.

That is why you need to start making it a practice in your day-to-day conversation to call God, the God of the Bible.

I am aware of the various names that the Bible calls God by,


but there are many false religions in the world that use all of the various names we have for God.

There is no way to say, "God," and be 100% positive everyone

understands which god you are speaking about unless you call Him the GOD OF THE BIBLE.

Also, when you hear someone use the name God, DO NOT just assume they are talking about the God of the Bible!

Let me make this perfectly clear.

Allah is NOT God!

Buddha is NOT God!

The god of the Mormon cult is NOT God!


The god of the Jehovah's Witness cult is NOT God!

The god of the Kabbalh cult is NOT God!


The god of the Hindu is NOT God! The god of Scientology is NOT God!

The god of the Christian Science cult is NOT God!

All of the gods of the false religions of the world are NOT God!


My friend, there is but ONE GOD, He is the GOD OF THE BIBLE!

I want to expose, for you right now, one of the politically-correct traps that many Christians have fallen into,

and it needs to stop now.

It is a subtle trap of satan that they have fallen into so they don't offend anyone.

I think it is comical that satan has no problem offending Christians every moment of every day,

yet we are supposed to be sensitive to people's "feelings."


Let me tell you right now, if you are REALLY sensitive to people 's feelings, you will tell them the truth of God's Word so that they don't perish for eternity.

Many high-profile Christians who talk to large audiences of Christians and non-Christians,

those in the public arena, will use the name of God.

I have no doubt they are speaking of the God of the Bible.

I have no doubt that their Christian listeners understand they are referring to the God of the Bible.


But I also have no doubt that those non-Christians hear the name God and believe it to be whatever false god thy may believe in.


I can guarantee you when a Muslim hears the name,

"God," he is thinking of allah.

Allah is no more the God of the Bible than Mickey Mouse is.


They are both fictional characters!

I can guarantee you that when a Mormon hears the name,

"God," he is thinking of the god of Mormon theology.

The god of the Mormon cult is no more the God of the Bible than

Jesus and Lucifer are brothers as that cult believes!



I love you and care about you so much.


I realize that while we have been sleeping and not paying attention,

we now have laws that take the God of the Bible out of the public discourse.



They have taken God out of the schools,

removed Him from all public buildings,

are trying to take His name out of the Pledge,


working on removing Him from our money,

and will continue to do everything they can to eliminate God.


Now more than ever, those who know the God of the Bible must do


everything we can to insure that HIS name is clearly identified and boldly proclaimed to this lost world since He is the only hope we have.

I will be praying for you today.


Praying that when you say the name God, you identify Him as the God of the Bible so that those who hear you will have no doubt who you are talking about.

In this lost and hurting world there are many false gods,

but there is only ONE TRUE GOD.

That is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God who created the heavens and the earth.

When we pray,

there is only ONE GOD to pray to who hears and answers our prayers,

that is the God of the Bible!!!


In His love and service, Your friend and brother in Christ, Bill Keller


Posted by: Christian Commando

wow, good article Billiefan2000. Keep sharing.

Peapod-

As for the speed limit signs, it might be safe enough where you live to do that, but certainly not here.

The warning signs are up for a reason. Here, you can find children running out into roads, we have alot of deaf children or other ill effected ones, we have alot of wild life that crosses roads here.

Warning signs are put up here, because of past hazards caused, they want drivers to avoid by being more cautious. But, my question is, why test God on particular aspects that are for our safety and rightceously so?

And statistics back up Scripturally based following of man's laws that coincide with God. At higher rates of speeds, particularly around areas like ours, there are more accidents. Secondly- statistics show, there are more severe accidents than if were traveling at lower speeds.

If Chritians want to follow the world and drive over posted speed limits, thats fine, but, as a close Christian frien of mine just found out two evenings ago, it don't pay for them to. They were stopped and ticketed.

God and Christ tells us we are set apart from the world, while still in it, we are no longer of it and are to be examples to others as such. How can we do this, if play "follow the leader" with doing worldly accepted things?

God Bless!!


Posted by: billiefan2000

youre welcome and I will

Christian Commando


Posted by: peapod

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Originally Posted by Christian Commando
wow, good article Billiefan2000. Keep sharing.

Peapod-

As for the speed limit signs, it might be safe enough where you live to do that, but certainly not here.

The warning signs are up for a reason. Here, you can find children running out into roads, we have alot of deaf children or other ill effected ones, we have alot of wild life that crosses roads here.

Warning signs are put up here, because of past hazards caused, they want drivers to avoid by being more cautious. But, my question is, why test God on particular aspects that are for our safety and rightceously so?

And statistics back up Scripturally based following of man's laws that coincide with God. At higher rates of speeds, particularly around areas like ours, there are more accidents. Secondly- statistics show, there are more severe accidents than if were traveling at lower speeds.

If Chritians want to follow the world and drive over posted speed limits, thats fine, but, as a close Christian frien of mine just found out two evenings ago, it don't pay for them to. They were stopped and ticketed.

God and Christ tells us we are set apart from the world, while still in it, we are no longer of it and are to be examples to others as such. How can we do this, if play "follow the leader" with doing worldly accepted things?

God Bless!!
I don't want to argue about speed limits, I just don't think it was a good example for this discussion. Maybe if speed limits were enforced the same in all parts of the country. I can go 70 mph on a Missouri freeway and be within the law, but would get a fine in IL for the same thing. Speed limits have also been modified (increased and decreased) as time has gone on.

MUCH different than God's law, which is solid and never changes.


Posted by: Christian Commando

Forgive me if took that as arguing, my main point is about wanting to be a witness for Christ and not just accepting any worldly thinking or operating they do that is against God.

As God declares, if you break one Commandment, you've broken them all. The point of God is, if allow yourself to do so with one, you'll be tempted to do so with other ones too.

Society looks at bad things as lesser to greater, but God declares all sin wrong. How can the "Body of Christ" keep themselves set apart, if start adopting many of those same beliefs?

God Bless!!


Posted by: rainbow788

WOW, that was a great article by Bill Keller, he made a lot of good points. One thing he said that surprised me was that the Mormon's believe that Jesus and Lucifer are brothers. I had no idea this was one of their beliefs!! Does anyone know if any other cults share this belief?

Thanks Billiefan for sharing this informative and well written article. God bless!!


Posted by: billiefan2000

youre welcome rainbow


Posted by: Christian Commando

As I was reading back thru this thread, I wanted to remark on a couple of subjects pointed out here.

Diversity- It "forces us to put Satan in our lives every day".

I beg to differ with this thesis. Diversity has nothing to do with letting Satan in our lives at all. Its individual choices made, for accepting Satanic thoughts or influences to be carried thru into actions.

Jesus clarifies this when He gives the Sermon on the Mount and shows where sin starts with libering thoughts- "If a man lusteth after a woman, he has already committed adultery with her in his heart."

So, its not diversity- (individualism), but the "root"- (influence), of a "tree"- (person), is known, by the "fruit"- (actions), it bears. That people, can put Satan into our lives each day.

2- "Tolerance has become such an aschewed definition in our times".

Is this to suggest we need to go back to the Early Days of people being publicly stoned, whipped, hung, crucified and more for sins committed?

I think not. What about where God tells us to love those who hate us, who wrong us, love our enemies, etc.? Then you have the "Fruit of the Spirit", among which are listed peace, longsuffering- (patience), temperance-(control our temper), meekness- (less apt to speak, more apt to listen), forgiving-(letting go of offenses), plus a pile more Scriptures I could share.

No, God teaches us tolerance, for we cannot control anyone else, but, we do not have to be involved in thier sin either. God teaches us and constantly reminds us of needing to be loving, forgiving in meekness, for the fact we were lost once too before found our way to God and became His Child. Therefore, we need to be tolerant of them, as Jesus was, being more apt to teach those who oppose God by being a witness for Christ to shine thru us, more than codemning, knowing we are just as responcible, being falable sinners ourselves.

We need to remember, even belonging to God, we all still trip, fall and even backslide at times, or falter in our faith in God too at times.

Yes, maybe we are a bit too tolerable in some areas. But, thats better, if ask me, than to crucify people for sins as the Religious Leaders who became too legalistic did in Jesus' time. If get too strict, most of the "Body of Christ" would be dead over committing sins. And that is clearly not on the heart of God.

We need to keep in mind about God's Grace- unmerited, unearned favor from God loving us so much, regardless of our sins, to forgive and forget, that we can be again, acceptable to Him.

And like those Jews of Jesus' time who saught His death and crucifixtion, Jesus showed many times, how they were doing it out of ignorance, blinded by the false teachings of the "leagalistic" Leaders of thier time. Yet, as mentoned, He forgave them.

So, lets not get too pointed at being slightly lax wth our beliefs, when people could be dieing from our being too severely strict too.

God Bless!!


Posted by: JeriRose12

CC --

I understand you are saying the letter of the law kills.

Sometimes it's better to be less legalistic to reach dying people.

I get those points.

But what's it got to do with calling God Allah?

Jesus saves, Jesus only.

We must make plain that Jesus Christ is Who the Bible says He is (not who the Muslim's say He is). And on that point we can't be lax or people will continue to die in their sins.

So, though I fully agree with your points...I am not sure how they relate to calling God Allah.

Since we are Christians here, I know none of us is saying that's OK, so can you just clarify a little?

I may not check in right away, so don't think I'm ignoring your post or this thread. Going to be fairly busy this weekend.

JeriRose


Posted by: Christian Commando

Hi Sis-

Well, it relates to the point that while yes, some people believe in other gods, claiming them to be the same as Christian's God. But, they have been blinded thru ignorance of being raised with some other false religious teachings.

Thus, this was mainly about our not coming down so hard on those others mislead, for we were once living in darkness too, and God gave us the chance to come into the Light of His Truth and Salvation.

Its great when God has instilled in His Body to stand bold and strong to His Word, so long as we demonstrate this in the same manner Christ teaches us and lived Himself- Incredible Authority shown, while approaching always as a meek Lamb for the slaughter.

Yes, Alah is not a true god, nor our God. Yet, just because they believe in this false god, let us not speak of them harshly or to them harshly, but lovingly, caring and compassionately share the truth with them, that Christ by the holy spirit can embrace them with the Truth understood to lead more lost souls to God's Throne.

Too often we look too much at actual good aspects that give God's Children the variety and ways to reach lost souls, others can't. Thats why the sharing about diversity and tolerance.

Without diversity, we are limited more, who we can reach. Without tolerance, we end up keeping people out, who might be open to recieving from God, if we don't reject them, but the doctrine only. And in a way thats non offensive, that they are comfortable to enter in to our fellowship and possibly recieve the enlightenment of the Holy Spirit or feel the move of Him to be attracted back more, to eventually convert, as God directs.

Where is the love and compassion for others, if we are so strict in the Law for doctrine, others don't have a chance to feel they can belong or eventually fit in?

As for the "speed limit" point, remember, in Daniel 2, God shows thru daniel how God sets up and removes those in Leadership positions. This means, He also is behind the good laws at all levels that are there to protect us.

Even tho Daniel would not eat the meat the King gave them portion of from the false burnt offerings, Daniel held to the King's statute, but only for the beans, pulp, etc. So, daniel still showed reverence to the King's decree, but in a way too, that would not go against God in Heaven.

These were my main points of the last post before this is all.

God Bless!!


Posted by: JeriRose12

That is the biggest challange in sharing the Truth with others, as I see it -- being loving, kind, gracious, etc. while at the same time being forthwright with truth. We can't lie and say it's OK to continue in sin or that it's OK to worhsip Allah. Yet, we do have to accept and love them as humans, created in God's image. Jesus never once soft pedaled the message. It was always "Follow me," or "Let the dead bury their dead," "He who takes up the plow should not look back," or "Go and sin no more." So, he forced people to make a decision. Yet, at the same time, he reached out to those we call outcasts or through legalism want nothing to do with. At work, I deal with so much sin, and I often say little about any of it...even about the homosexuality to the homosexual guy. The sad fact is, he thinks he's going to heaven. So, at some point, we do have to share the truth.... It's just knowing when and how. Praying to be Spirit led is good, so we don't just go off in the flesh and badly hurt people. But Jesus is the Rock Of Offense, too, so it's hard to know when we're being wrongly offensive and when we're being offensive in the sense Jesus was. I know some who say they are being Christ-like in not caring what people think, when they are just being obnoxiously offensive. But when it comes to concrete truths of God's Word, we are going to offend some. It's more loving, in that case, to speak up clearly for what's right. One guy is offended when Christians tell him he needs Jesus to escape hell. But should we quit talking about the undeniable truth of hell? No. Telling the truth in love is not as easy as it sounds.

As to the RC Bishop who is saying we should call our God Allah, that's just blatently wrong and an insult to God. I like the article on calling him "the God of the Bible." I guess I hadn't realized it's come to that.

When it comes to he laws of the land, we are told to obey governing authorities, and Paul wrote this when Nero was one of those governing authorities, and he was a mad man pursecuting many Christians. When the disciples were told not to speak in the Name of Jesus they said "We ought to obey God rather than man." So there are cases where we can break the law, because God's law is higher. But that doesn't include speed limits. And, I don't understand why they need to say our God is Allah, because this is just voluntary and they aren't being forced to do it. And if it was a law, it would be a law God would want us to break.

I know that CC's point was that many are doing wrong things because they are deceived. I know this is the case with many living in sin with a boyfriend/girlfriend. Few know what fornication is, anymore. And maybe it's a sign of our times, too, that people are calling our God Allah. That doesn't make either right. Nor, is speeding right. It seems we live in times of needing to educate people (Christians) in the Bible. What once seemed to be basics is just not clearly understood so much now. This could be a sign of the end times....deception increasing so the devil can draw as many to hell as possible.

Wen Wesley and other revivalists preached, it was clear it was the God of the Bible, it was a need for Jesus Christ to forgive sins. No-one mistook that he might be talking of Allah or some other false god. Is our preaching just not with the same power? I sometimes think it's not as powerful because we have tried to be "tolerant" or acceptable and in doing so have watered down the truth. The truth of our God being The Living God is something that we can not play with. The very heart of the Gospel is in believing we serve and worship the only God who presents the only hope mankind has. I also wonder if it's the times we live in that make it so much harder to get these truths across. There is a new god or false Christ on every corner....so to make plain that it is the God of the Bible we are talking about is a challange. But this is also why we can't be telling people we worship the same God, even if it is to "foster understanding."

And I don't understand that, either. What kind of understanding is he trying to foster? Jesus never came to "foster understanding." He came to seek and to save the lost! He came to make mankind understand that they were sinners who needed a Savior. And to make us understand that God is approachable, not some distant God who doesn't care. How does calling God Allah carry out what Jesus came for? Fostering understanding? I understand that we worship very different gods (and Allah is not even real), so I don't see what good calling my God Allah is going to do. What am I trying to understand about the Muslims? I could better understand them by reading the Quran or by talking to them about their beliefs. All we really need understand about anyone is their heart is darkened by the god of this world. How do you combat deception by playing into it?

I don't know of any other time in the history of Christianity when people would have said we worship the same god as a false religion. We are told contend for or defend the faith in Jude.

JeriRose


Posted by: Christian Commando

Over the years, I've seen religious Leaders from many different Christian religions go to check out these "false christs" that had been reported on over past decades.

Several Leaders had claimed in reports that, yes, the one they were checking out could very well be Jesus returned. In early years of Ministry, I'd think, man, these people are stupid for even going to check them out, when all they had to do was check Scripture to know they weren't the "Real Jesus".

And books have been written about false christs believed to be the "real one".

But, I was actually no better than them in Satan's deception to mislead them, God eventually showed me, I was unjustly judging them because of what was taught them. So, I changed my views and stopped judging, and started prayed instead for God to show them Scriptural Truth to counter this Satanic deception and started working with people following these beliefs, instead of rejecting them altogether.

One of the major deceptions these days is hdden in a "love for money". Many Leaders thru Seminarial Teachings, are subliminally taught to be more liberal, so more people are attracted to the Church, less people are offended, thus the Church grows and God is pleased.

But, this has become known as the reversed Teaching that- "You must please people in order to please God". When God teaches us, if we seek God's ways first, in demonstrating God's Word by the Holy Spirit dwelling within us, people we deal with will be Blessed.

So, in dealing with such situations, I've come to learn alot myself of the ways I had been unknowingly judgemental of people. Which is why mostly I see positives more than negatives now.

On the Day of Pentecost, if not for God's diversity of tongues in those 120 in that upper room, those thousands who witnessed this, would never have heard the Gospel preached in thier language to be drawn away from thier false gods to the real God of Heaven.

And if think that Bishop was so wrong believing in "Alah", remember, Pope John Paul went to Islam and publicly announced the RC religion accepted Muslim followers as brothers and sisters to the RC in christ.

But, thats religious beliefs, influenced by Satan in order to bring false unity, thru pleasing people first before doing right before God. Thats why I spoke more about the subjects I did, as the main false beliefs come from subliminal teachings of Satan that have filtered in, to eventually change main doctrinal beliefs.

God Bless!!

CC